[NAGDU] Travel and ESA's

Vivianna irishana at gmail.com
Wed May 2 15:48:52 UTC 2018


Hi All,
It’s my opinion that, what seems to get the most attention these days is, videos.
We should all get familiar with taking videos on our phones.  Then, be ready and willing to use said videos all over the place.  Post em on your facebook.  Email em all over the place.  Send em to the media.  You get the idea.
The louder we are, the more folks will become educated about such things.  Hopefully!
This goes for Uber and Lyft incidents as well.  Document, document document and spread far and wide.
Telling us on this list is good but, that won’t get the problems solved.

Vivianna


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> On May 2, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have asked that this conversation stop right now. I think we can get past
> it. I've had my own comments on the issue, but let's please not make it a
> thread. We all have our moments of judgmental from time to time. Perhaps if
> we think through what we are about to say before we say it, this would be
> helpful.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Janell via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:35 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Travel and ESA's
> 
> Wow, for a site that professes to be a safe, non-judgmental venue to ask
> questions, share experiences and offer advice, more often than not get
> comments such as this which in my opinion are rude, and attempt to include
> all of us guide dog users to be melded into the same group with  a select
> few people's idea of how a guide dog team should be defined.  
> 
> I personally do not use my cane when out with my dog but I certainly do not
> "throw stones" at those who do.  I do know of quite a few guide dog users
> who use the cane in conjunction with their dog.  Everyone is different and
> it is not necessary for any of us to explain why or why not we use a cane or
> anything else for that matter.
> 
> -Janell 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Johnson
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:00 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sandra Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Travel and ESA's
> 
> Hello:
> 
> Why would you need to use a cane if your dog is a well trained safe guide? 
> In your case with some sight it seems that the cane would not be necessary. 
> Those of us who are totally blind do not use a cane with our guide dogs. 
> Didn't we get dogs so we can put the canes away?
> 
> I do agree that something must be done about all the untrained dogs out in
> the public, especially in airports.  As Jenine said the rules are there but
> not enforced.  So, as NAGDU is an organization of guide dog handlers, what
> can we do about this issue?
> 
> Sandra
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Wolf via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 2:32 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf
> Subject: [NAGDU] Travel and ESA's
> 
> Wow guys.  It was just a couple of hours after writing to you all about how
> important it has been to me for us in our family to hold a balance between
> impeccable training and performance with 'ambassadorship' as a working team.
> 
> It included some of what I consider somewhat intimate sharing about the bond
> and love side of being a team in our own personal style that meets what we
> feel to be authentic to us (my wife and i both).  And how well it works.
> 
> Now I've read the heads up messages from many of you about the recent
> disgusting TV show about buying ESA status for pets.  I am just incensed.
> I'll bet many of you can share experiences like ours, of having been
> snapped, barked and lunged at in airports and other places, or worse.  It
> now happens every time we fly, which is probably 8 times a year.  It's not
> enough that our dogs ignore it.
> 
> If any of you remember, I've written that with spatial as well as sight
> issues, I often have my cane working, even with my dog.  And, I am quick to
> swing a floor arc around my dog, to arrive the tip on the floor between an
> incoming fake service dog and my dog.  That's about all it takes,  No
> hitting, no violence - just movement distraction and a physical object
> quickly placed between the dogs as a separating deterrent with lateral
> movement that seems to be an effective distraction.  It seems to be
> disorienting to an aggressive dog to encounter an object suddenly appearing
> from the side.  We keep moving forward, or my dog stops and sits while I
> address the problem.  I'm vision impaired, not totally blind, so I don't
> know how well this would work for some of you.  I can say at the least, this
> poor dog behavior startles me, and we've been fortunate that none of us have
> been hurt before.  When was the last time we dealt with this?  Let's think
> back.actually.yesterday afternoon.
> 
> I am formal calling on all of us to put our collective foot down about the
> lack of training for ESA's.  Who is the best, most potent place to begin
> this process, who do we talk to?  This ethical and behavioral problem has
> hurt enough of our real working dogs as a group of individuals, and will
> only make life worse for us as people who have bona fide reasons to work
> with them.  How can chip in here and name individuals in positions of power
> to create a change, calling for initiating the necessity of ESA's to adhere
> to the same code of conduct that we do?  Let's do something about this.
> 
> My best,
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
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