[NAGDU] FHA question

d m gina dmgina at mysero.net
Thu Sep 20 22:03:20 UTC 2018 

I have a question on behalf of a dog that went shopping in pennies.
The owner did have set dog on leash, where the lady helping us waved 
her hand to get the dogs not to meet.
I didn't ask any questions.
I wish it didn't make me so angry when I see a dog that I don't dare to 
ask what it does for you
Because I am sure not fare on my part, I feel the dog is just a pet.
I probably will never know how it goes unless someone shares.
Original message:
> Glad I could make your day!

> No, of course I'm not saying she doesn't have anxiety when she leaves her
> home.  What I am saying is that ESA's are for home only, so she is doing the
> legal thing.

> So many people complain about people abusing the ESA laws and taking their
> untrained dogs in public.  Here's a woman who is doing the right and legal
> thing and leaving her ESA at home, but still the complaints roll in.

> Blind people aren't the only folks who can benefit from dogs.  It bothers me
> greatly that other uses that are legally allowed, are summarily dismissed as
> being categorically fraudulent.

> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janell via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 2:45 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FHA question

> I disagree Julie,

> Are you saying she only has anxiety/stress when she is at home?  I figured I
> would get some backlash from my email when my only point was to tell you of
> the ESA laws regarding ESA animals.  Thanks for not disappointing.
> Naturally I know that any animal(service animal or not) still have to abide
> by the same rules as any other animal.

> If ESA's are  in your words "only for at home" then why in the world are
> they everywhere... stores, air ports, businesses etc.?



> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 12:13 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FHA question

> ESA's under the FHA are for in her home only. The fact that she doesn't have
> it with her when she is out and about is what should be happening.

> I would think the barking should be handled like any other noise issue,
> stereos up too loud, loud parties etc.   However you would address those
> issues with tenants is how the barking should be handled.

> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=19
> 16046>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janell via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:18 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FHA question

> We do have a Tennent that claims she needs an ESA dog and she provided us
> with some ridiculous certificate she printed on-line.  She says she is in
> dire need of this dog yet she never has it with her and we have had
> complaints about the dog barking all day and night when she is gone.  Now
> she told us she is also going to have an ESA cat.  I looked up the laws in
> Wisconsin and sure enough she can have more than one ESA animal and we can't
> say anything about it.  It is just her way of getting to have a pet.  I
> fully understand that there are folks who really do benefit from ESA animals
> but in this particular situation it is not legit and we can't  do anything
> about it.

> Just food for thought...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:00 PM
> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FHA question

> I know this isn't a helpful comment, but I wonder if all the folks with
> illigit so- called service animals, folks who have pets and they buy a
> certificate on line, or get their doc to write a note, have indeed caused
> this problem to come in to being. I know a guy in my area who literally got
> his doctor to write a note saying his cat is a service animal and then he
> showed it to his apartment office as it's a no pets apartment or
> something...so it does seem to be a more widespread problem then I would
> have thought.  I was actually surprised he didn't at least have the brains
> to keep that under raps but he seems to be telling everyone, oh well, ..


> The point is, if people with what would I call it, fake service animals act
> all  official about it and show certification or supposed certification to
> get away with stuff, then can you hardly blame the uneducated public for
> asking about this stuff. I do suspect, though it's total ignorance and
> probably the first thing that comes in to their mind, the public that is,
> rather than anything based on misleading precedent.

> .I wish you good luck, Jordan, if it's not one thing it seems to be another,
> right?--smile


> Dan the man and Parker the nut



> On 9/19/2018 11:30 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> Thanks for the responses. That is exactly what I thought. I am going to
>> wait for them to ask again and decide how to handle it.
>> Jordan

>> Sent from my iPhone

>>> On Sep 19, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>> Hello Jordan,

>>> I own numerous properties in Wisconsin and it is 100% not okay that your
>>> landlord is asking about Belto.  They can not only not ask about him,
>>> they
>>> cannot ask for a separate pet deposit nor can they ask for an additional
>>> monthly fee for a service animal.  They can however get/ask/require any
>>> damages (if any) from any animal (service dog or not) if there are any
>>> damages to the property.

>>> Hope this helps, Janell

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:21 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Melissa Allman <MAllman at seeingeye.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FHA question

>>> Hi Jordan. I've attached some guidance published by HUD in 2013
>>> concerning
>>> assistance animals. It applies to both private and public housing. Below
>>> is
>>> some pertinent language from the memo I think you will find helpful.
>>> Basically, no the landlord cannot ask for certification to prove that
>>> Belto
>>> is a service animal. See below and attached:

>>> "However, a housing provider may not ask a tenant or applicant to provide
>>> documentation showing the disability or disability-related need for an
>>> assistance animal if the disability or disability-related need is readily
>>> apparent or already known to the provider. For example, persons who are
>>> blind or have low vision may not be asked to provide documentation of
>>> their
>>> disability or their disability-related need for a guide dog."


>>> Melissa R. Allman
>>> Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations The Seeing Eye, Inc.
>>> P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ 07963-0375 (mail)
>>> 10 Washington Valley Road, Morristown, NJ 07960-3412 (deliveries)
>>> 973-539-4425 ext. 1724,     Fax:  973-525-1081 mallman at SeeingEye.org

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>>> Gallacher
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:52 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] FHA question

>>> I have a question. Is it legal under the FHA for my landlord to be asking
>>> for certification that Belto is a service animal?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan

>>> Sent from my iPhone
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