[NAGDU] Owner training

Thu Apr 11 00:05:03 UTC 2019

For me I am highly considering owner training because in addition to
blindness I have other disabilities and programs don't like to play nice
meaning I can get a dog for blindness or something else not both. I have
also seen the negatives of positive punishment training methods like leash
corrections. My guide work technique I have had to adapt to fit my needs.
While my current dog is from a program and has become my project I am
learningso much about the process of training. It is a lot of work.
Yiska

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 17:28 Rox Homstad via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Jordan.
> I have been reading this whole thread and honestly am not seeing anything
> problematic with what Julie said She invited you/others to join both our
> conference call and the get together.  She also said that in order to be a
> successful owner trainer, you have to have a certian kind of
> mindset/motive.  She didn't say you did not, just that it takes a certain
> kind of person and she is right, doing it because you are angry or
> resentful is not going to get you far.  It is hard and expensive in terms
> of both money and time/energy spent.   Retraining a dog from the ground up
> is completely different than retraining a dog you got from a program and
> who needs retraining, at least it was for me because I have done both.
> For what its worth, this is what I think one needs to be a successful
> owner trainer.
> 1. Good O&M, this should be self-explanitory.
> 2. A love of dogs, and a willingness to put up with dog BS meaning this is
> going to be an un trained dog you will have for the first while. It is
> going to do things like pee in the house and eat your earbuds and steal
> your sandwich and you are going to have to be patient and teach it.
> 3. Most owner trainers are self-motivated, are blunt-spoken, are willing
> to hear criticism, even when its something that sucks and you don't want to
> hear.  You don't have a program to call when crap goes off the rails, you
> are both the trainer and the end user and being an owner trainer means
> you'd better be able to get real with yourself real quick or someone's
> going to get hurt if there is a bad situation.
> 4. Love of learning/love of teaching.
> I don't know you and I don't know if you have any of these qualities or
> not.
> If you want to start with a dog who is at an age to be trained, you can
> either go the rescue dog route, or through a breeder or a private rehoming,
> such as if you know a friend who has a dog that they are rehoming and you
> think would be a good fit for your life.
> When you pick a dog, take someone with you who is neutral, this is not a
> rehab project.  You have to decide everything from the dog's training and
> what to train first to what equipment to use.
> It is hard, takes up most of your time and money, and is a huge
> physical/mental/emotional investment with the result that the dog could be
> unsuitable and you could be left with a year of hard work and nothing to
> show for it.
> With all that said the people who like doing it, still do, but it doesn't
> make any of the hard stuff less hard
> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>
> > On Apr 10, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > BTW, your attitude has just lost any further business I was going to give
> > you and I will make sure everyone I know knows about your lousy attitude.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
> NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 5:39 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training
> >
> > I do, but you already knew that.  Owner training is...not for everyone,
> but
> > that sounds rather lame.   I think you have to have some very strong
> reasons
> >
> > for wanting to owner train and they really need to be intrinsic.  Anger
> or
> > revenge or proving something to others  isn't enough mental fuel to carry
> > you through the owner training process.
> >
> > If you'd like to talk feel free to give me a call.  I think you have my
> > number, but if not send me a private email and I'll send it to you.  The
> > phone invitation goes out to anyone interested in owner training.
> >
> > I also host a free conference call every other Saturday and I am hosting
> a
> > second meet up in Kansas City over Memorial Day weekend.  It's also free,
> > scholarships are available, to anyone interested in owner training.  You
> > don't need to be an owner trainer to attend either the phone conference
> or
> > meet up.   You do need to be an owner trainer in some stage of the
> process
> > to qualify for the scholarship though.  Email me for more info,
> > julielj at neb.rr.com
> >
> > Julie
> > On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> > http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> > also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> > <
> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=19
> > 16046>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:42 PM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Jordan Gallacher
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Owner training
> >
> > Who on here owner trains? Looking into this option since schools se to
> think
> > my dogs having issues are my fault.
> > Jordan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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