[NAGDU] FW: [GDUC Friends] Article about a guide dog user

Fri Aug 9 21:13:33 UTC 2019

All right my take, first of all, before we all criticize things that are 
said, remember that journalists never seem to get it right when they 
interview us about guide dogs and our life with our dogs...the quote 
about Emotional support animals, I bet that was the journalist who 
couldn't think of the right term...It's happened to me, I'll say "guide 
dog" they write guard dog, you figure it out... i wouldn't say I've been 
a pioneer in the same way she is and I really commend her, I did study 
in Russia for three months with my guide dog and was in Japan for almost 
two years...though I was not the first by any means  I can tell you I 
might as well have been  considering some of the reactions, I was 
apparently the first allowed in a dorm in Russia, that is what I thought 
until I heard of someone who had done it in the seventies...but i 
certainly had a lot of access issues  going for a short visit to a 
country with a dog and actually trying to study or live there are two 
different things...I had almost no success getting in to restaurants, 
and some stores, and the Moscow subway and on and on and on and on and 
on.   even though there are laws In Japan there had ready been a forty 
or more year history of guide dogs but you wouldn't know it by some of 
the access issues I had to deal with...So having had that experience I 
can tell you I have only respect for the lady in question. . Anyway,  I 
used to research this stuff at one time hoping to right a masters thesis 
about  U.S. trained guide dogs in other countries, paucity of materials 
at that time and guide dog schools not wanting to talk to me about it 
put an end to that...but i came across info about a fellow from Thailand 
who had gone to Leader and gotten a dog when he was a student at 
Harvard...The article I read, and when I find where I put the link I'll 
send it, made it plain this guy had to be really creative about  access, 
getting on a bus from Bang cock to another city, he sort of had his dog 
snuggle under the seat and put his backpack in front of it so that no 
one would notice until itthe bus was already on route, that way they 
couldn't throw him out...a lot of storied like that which 1. showed me 
the man was very smart, love his guts and 2. being   a pioneer is a 
whole nother ball game...I'm not sure I would be able to do it honestly, 
I feel a guide dog gives me more freedom, but having to fight for it 
every step of the way?   I love my dogs dearly and I just love having a 
guide dog but as I say, fight every step of the way...Anyway I really 
appreciate the article.

Having to fight the way these guys have to fight would probably shorten 
my life...on the other hand it's good that using the net she is finding 
a lot of support and that is great.

Also I find it interesting that there are laws mentioned in the article, 
My research indicated that there are laws in a lot of places but if no 
one knows about it, then well, what can you do?

Dan

On 8/9/2019 1:04 PM, Melissa Allman via NAGDU wrote:
> Mike, I think you make some good points. Also, it sounds like she is making slow but steady progress in a country where guide dogs are not the norm. Good for her!
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> Hey, she's 22 and relatively new to the whole experience. Also, who knows what spin the article's author chose to take. She may have talked more about guide dog work and the author simply didn't use it.
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> Well, it did talk rather extensively about her work to try to make more places accessible for her and for her dog. There were things she said there that would imply she would be a good Federationist. LOL. The emotional support thing kind of rubbed me the wrong way, too, especially since the notion of getting a dog came not from guide dog users but, rather, from people who were schlepping around campus with emotional support dogs.
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> Thanks Cindy.
> That was interesting.  I wish she would have said more about how her dog helps her get around, rather than how it's a helpful emotional support animal, but, at the end, they did talk about walking confidently.
> I wish her all the best.  Being a guide dog pioneer somewhere is hard work.
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> I am pasting the article referred to in this message so that people will be more apt to read it. It may garner discussion. Also, we ask and ask that people state the purpose of the things they are posting and that, for the convenience of folks on the list, they also copy and paste the article into themessage.
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> From: friends at guidedogs.groups.io [mailto:friends at guidedogs.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karine L.
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> Hello all,
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> Here is an article about a guide dog user who lives in Thailand.
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> I enjoyed reading that so I’m sharing with you.
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> https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thailand-only-guide-dog-and-blind-owner-11773114?cid=fbcna&sfns=mo
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> Karine and ToonMeet Luther, Thailand’s only guide dog, and his brave owner fighting for understanding - CNA
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> BANGKOK: Luther lies patiently and quietly, head resting on the lap of his young owner. The 4-year-old black labrador retriever is wearing his guide dog harness - even though he is idle, he remains on duty.
>
> Deep down though, and despite his years of specialised training, Luther is still a dog. All around him fellow canines are enjoying a walk in the park.
> His head turns with interest, his ears prick and he sniffs at the breeze with curiosity.
>
> “He’s going like, ‘I’m a guide dog, I’m a guide dog, I’m a guide dog, I’m not supposed to do that’. He’s still certainly a dog,” laughs Kirin Techawongtham, who commonly goes by the name Sai.
> Luther and Sai are an intrinsically connected duo. Sai is blind and for the past two years, she and Luther have undertaken a rare and special journey together, as dependents, travellers and friends.
>
> Luther is a four year old Labrador Retreiver trained to help his owner Sai travel more independently. (Photo: Jack Board)  figure Sai and Luther guide dog 2 Luther is a four year old Labrador Retreiver trained to help his owner Sai travel more independently. (Photo: Jack Board) A Facebook page starring the pair, set up in June, has made the adventure a viral one. In less than two months, the page has attracted more than 100,000 followers. In a country with a chequered relationship with disability, Sai and Luther’s story is inspiring some tough and long awaited conversations about acceptance, accessibility and understanding in Thailand.
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> Sai was just 13 years old and on a family vacation when her eyesight began to fail. It was sudden. And it was unexpected. Something every child takes for granted began to fade.
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> “From day one to day five my sight got worse really quickly to the point I was walking into bushes and kicking stuff,” she said. “We got back and found out there’s quite a big tumour in my brain that’s pressing against the optic nerves, so Thursday I was admitted and Friday I had brain surgery to remove it.”
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> With her sight slowly returning, Sai was released from the hospital days later. “But the next day I woke up and I couldn’t see at all and we still aren’t sure why that is.”
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> Young and optimistic, Sai said she did not grasp the enormity of the change that was coming. She still believed her eyesight would return, sometime, somehow.
> Nine years on, it has not.
>
> Luther was trained in the United States and will continue to assist Sai for years to come. (Photo: Jack Board)  figure Sai and Luther guide dog 3 Luther was trained in the United States and will continue to assist Sai for years to come.
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> Confronting that new reality and the physical and mental challenges that inevitably occur has not been easy for Sai, who is now 22. But an inner determination to be strong - and with Luther now by her side - she has achieved plenty, including recently graduating with a 4.0 GPA in Psychology at Hendrix College in the United States.
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> “It certainly goes up and down, especially after that first year. Most of the time I’m happy but some days I’m like ‘oh my gosh this is so hard’,” she said.
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> “It’s still true today, most of the time I’m still ok, but sometimes when I face some obstacle that I know would have been so easy if I could see...I usually just let myself get mad or cry my eyes out and then the next day I just get up and do what I need to do to move on or solve that problem.”
>
> It was in the US that Sai and Luther first met and joined forces. He was trained by a guide dog institution in New York. Sai had never owned a dog before and had only been convinced to apply for a guide dog after realising the benefits other students on her university campus derived from having emotional support dogs with them. She was going through bouts of depression and soon found purpose and comfort in Luther.
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> “He certainly helps with my mental health a lot because he forces me to go outside even if I don’t feel like it, or even when I don’t want to go outside, I still have a company, which really helps.
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> “A lot more people come up to talk to me. Sometimes when you’re disabled or blind people don’t feel comfortable coming up to talk to you because they don’t know how to interact with you. A lot of people when they see a dog they’re like oohhh,” she laughed.
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> Sai says Luther has helped her with her mental health and made meeting strangers easier. (Photo: Jack Board)  figure Sai and Luther guide dog 6 Sai says Luther has helped her with her mental health and made meeting strangers easier. (Photo: Jack Board)
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> Bringing Luther back to Thailand would bring new hurdles. Since their journey home mid year, faced with obstacle after obstacle, she has become an unlikely warrior for social change.
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> Thailand has had a couple of guide dogs in its history, but right now, Luther is the only one. Despite laws that are meant to guarantee their accessibility rights, the rarity of guide dogs means awareness among the community is low about what Luther is trained to do and where he should be allowed to go.
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> Sai says she has trouble going anywhere with her companion in Bangkok. “Mostly inside the buildings. Usually it’s like malls, restaurants, hotels that are indoors and even now parks that don’t allow pets. They won’t allow me,” she said.
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> Sai and her family - with Luther in tow - have been relentless in their campaigning as their social media posts exploded in popularity. They have been featured in numerous local television interviews and had the opportunity to meet Bangkok governor Pol Gen Aswin Kwanmuang to raise their concerns and suggestions to make travelling around the city easier.
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> Sai and Luther guide dog 3 (1)
> Sai speaking to media after holding talks with Bangkok city officials. (Photo: Jack Board) Sai speaking to media after holding talks with Bangkok city officials. (Photo: Jack Board)  figure end
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> While the meeting was swift and swamped by news cameras, the governor confirmed that any parks under the mandate of the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration would be made accessible for Sai and Luther. And he flagged other urban improvements, although without committing to any concrete immediate plans.
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> “We received suggestions (regarding uneven walkways) and we will improve them so that rights to be human are equal,” he said.
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> “With a guide dog certificate, I believe that Sai can take her guide dog to department stores or government offices. We need to give equal treatment to people.”
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> Sai has had some small victories, including being welcomed to use Bangkok’s skytrain network with her dog, and encouraged to visit the shopping complexes of one of the country’s biggest conglomerates Central Group.
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> Luther loves to play with his ball when he is off duty, just like a normal Labrador. (Photo: Jack Board)  figure Sai and Luther guide dog 4 Luther loves to play with his ball when he is off duty, just like a normal Labrador. (Photo: Jack Board)
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> For her mother Tik Otaganonta, the progress is welcome but slow.  “We’ve got lots of support from people all over Thailand and Thais abroad. It’s mind blowing the support we got. But big organisations that we are hoping to get a response from, we’ve got fewer than fingers on my hand,” she said.
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> “It’s not just for her and the dog, it’s for all the disabled people in Thailand and, in a way, if people are more inclusive then Thai society will be better as a whole. And it will trickle to everything they do, just starting from this, accepting Sai and Luther. It’s not just a cute dog and then they’re done with it. “
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> Sai smiles when asked why she thinks her story has captured the imaginations of Thais, who have inundated her posts overwhelmingly with messages of love and encouragement - she knows her black-furred buddy is especially adorable.
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> But she also feels that Thais have shown they are open to understanding what guide dogs can do and more broadly, about the plight of people with a disability.
> She does not want to speak for everyone - her journey and experience is an individual one - but is appreciative of the platform she now has.
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> Luther and Sai walk confidently in a Bangkok park. (Photo: Jack Board)  figure Sai and Luther guide dog 5 Luther and Sai walk confidently in a Bangkok park. (Photo: Jack Board)
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> “I feel like my cause is bigger than just raising awareness about guide dogs and getting access into buildings with my guide dog. I feel that Thai people think that blind or disabled people are kind of dependent, they can’t live by themselves and I want that to change,” she said.
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> “I really want people to come in with the thinking that disabled people can live a very independent life and they can support themselves as long as you give them the opportunity to and give them the right support.”
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> As she and Luther stroll confidently down a footpath, breeze in their hair and fur respectively from an adjoining lake, independent is one of the first words that comes to mind.
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> Additional reporting by Ryn Jirenuwat.
>
> Source: CNA/jb
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