[NAGDU] Cindy's harness question...and complements to Julie Johnson's harnesses!
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Sat Dec 14 20:26:38 UTC 2019
Cindy,
Good question. We’ve only used the leash and head halter rig up until now. I wanted for years to get into a harness handle setup. That dream was half for me because my visual proprioception issues strangely in their neurological nature are primarily when on my feet and it would be useful. And, half because I have stepped on Metukah’s feet too often, not registering where my feet are in relation to her. A harness would serve Metukah as much as it would serve me. Who wants to trust being super close while walking as a team, if you might get stepped on? She’s remarkably forgiving..and has learned to be very, very watchful! She’s a remarkable martial artist in the way she has learned to levitate up and sideways when my feet are getting too close!
Being a Silken Windhound, she is as long and tall as a 70 to 80 pound dog, almost as long as a shepherd, but she’s very airblade narrow - only six inches wide at the shoulder and 30 pounds! This may clue you in why we work so delicately - she is delicate, and beside her super sensitivity by body nature, it doesn’t take much for us to communicate through a leash except through light touch. But so far, no manufactured harness handle rig would fit her in any manner.
So here is my great opportunity. It is time to broadcast that Julie Johnson has worked a miracle! She has made a harness handle setup that actually will work for Metukah! This is the first part of the complement; her doing the impossible. The second complement is that it has taken a tremendous amount of time, with us sending the rig back and forth across the country to each other, making new measurements and adjustments, and inventing unorthodox fixes, to get a fit on this very unusual body for a harness. Julie has totally come through, working, inventing, changing, and being extraordinarily patient in the process. If anyone needs an excellent and comfortable harness, she makes them. If you need the difficult thing that isn’t just something off the shelf, and you need a wizard, Julie ROCKS!
Peter
Connecting With the Wisdom of the Earth
Executive & individual coaching, consultation, and nature-based facilitation
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707. 829 - 0776
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> 11. Re: Dogfood research (sunshine)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:19:34 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
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> I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
> complete list of ingredients.
>
> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>
> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:32:25 -0500
> From: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
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> Hi Tracy,
> You could try Chewie.com. Their website and app are really accessible. Also, you can call their customer service and they will help you right away. chewy has the ingredients for all of their food.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>> complete list of ingredients.
>>
>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>
>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:51:23 -0600
> From: Vivianna <irishana at gmail.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
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> I use the chewie app on my iPhone to look up ingredients. It?s easy to use and all of the ingredients are listed.
> Just off the top of my head i can suggest, Nature?s Logic and Victor.
>
> Vivianna
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>> complete list of ingredients.
>>
>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>
>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:38:20 -0500
> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
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> I also use chewy to look up ingredient lists, and the full ingredient list should be listed under nutritional info for every food. I do find it a little easier to use on my iPhone than my laptop, but both work.
> One of my dogs is also allergic to chicken. I rotate between Farmina Ancestral Grain and Nature?s Logic. Farmina Fish formula is completely free of chicken, while the lamb contains only chicken fat. Many dogs that are allergic to chicken don?t react to chicken fat, because it is the protein that causes the allergy. I know off the top of my head that the pork and turkey formulas of Nature?s Logic are completely free of all chicken ingredients.
> I normally would recommend Victor as well, but it?s not my first choice for a dog with a chicken allergy. Most of their formulas that do not contain chicken are either quite low in protein, or have a lot of legumes.
> The Sport Dog buffalo-based formulas are also free of chicken, and provide high calorie options.
> Danielle
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?I use the chewie app on my iPhone to look up ingredients. It?s easy to use and all of the ingredients are listed.
>> Just off the top of my head i can suggest, Nature?s Logic and Victor.
>>
>> Vivianna
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>>> complete list of ingredients.
>>>
>>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>>
>>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:50:08 -0600
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
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> This is not a criticism, but Vivianna said she went to chewie. Is that
> different from chewy?
> Thanks, and I may really need this information one day.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 9:20 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
>
> I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
> complete list of ingredients.
>
> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>
> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>
> Tracy
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:15:11 -0600
> From: Vivianna <irishana at gmail.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Hi.
> You can get there with either spelling. Back, ages ago, when i started using it, it was called Chewie. Nowadays, they are spelling it Chewy.
>
> Vivianna
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?This is not a criticism, but Vivianna said she went to chewie. Is that
>> different from chewy?
>> Thanks, and I may really need this information one day.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 9:20 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
>>
>> I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>> complete list of ingredients.
>>
>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>
>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:18:00 -0600
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Food Info
> Message-ID: <025601d5b1d9$45e6c970$d1b45c50$@gmail.com>
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> My answer has been received on the question I asked a little bit ago about
> Chewy vs. Chewie. Thanks, Danielle.
>
> Cindy Lou Ray
>
> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 12:25:49 -0600
> From: Lisa Belville <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
> To: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
> Message-ID: <3136a634-9517-389a-7f02-a430c5f844a7 at frontier.com>
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> Hi, Tracy.? Chewy's web site is:
>
> https://www.chewy.com <https://www.chewy.com/>
>
>
> As others have said, they are good about listing ingredients for their
> food, even the different formulas within a brand are listed, as well as
> <https://www.chewy.com/>feeding instructions for each formula.
>
>
> I've been using their autoship for about three years and love it.? It's
> reliable and flexible.? I can add something like ear cleaning solution
> as a single time shipment with a simple double-tap or enter, depending
> on which device I'm using.
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
> Lisa Belville
>
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>
> On 12/13/2019 9:19 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>> I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>> complete list of ingredients.
>>
>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>
>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:06:07 -0600
> From: Lisa Belville <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
> To: Danielle Sykora via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
> Message-ID: <5cd510a2-ab0d-238c-9906-fe963e0dc3ed at frontier.com>
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> Danielle, I had Paige on Sport dog for a while, but they either changed
> their formulation or their distributor, and I could no longer get it
> reliably from either Amazon or Chewy.? Too bad, it was a great food and
> Paige loved it.? They also had a maintenance feeding schedule for each
> formula that was good to use during the winter when we just didn't get
> out as much.
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, what is the issue with legumes as a protein source?
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>
> On 12/13/2019 10:38 AM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
>> I also use chewy to look up ingredient lists, and the full ingredient list should be listed under nutritional info for every food. I do find it a little easier to use on my iPhone than my laptop, but both work.
>> One of my dogs is also allergic to chicken. I rotate between Farmina Ancestral Grain and Nature?s Logic. Farmina Fish formula is completely free of chicken, while the lamb contains only chicken fat. Many dogs that are allergic to chicken don?t react to chicken fat, because it is the protein that causes the allergy. I know off the top of my head that the pork and turkey formulas of Nature?s Logic are completely free of all chicken ingredients.
>> I normally would recommend Victor as well, but it?s not my first choice for a dog with a chicken allergy. Most of their formulas that do not contain chicken are either quite low in protein, or have a lot of legumes.
>> The Sport Dog buffalo-based formulas are also free of chicken, and provide high calorie options.
>> Danielle
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I use the chewie app on my iPhone to look up ingredients. It?s easy to use and all of the ingredients are listed.
>>> Just off the top of my head i can suggest, Nature?s Logic and Victor.
>>>
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>>>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>>>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>>>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>>>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>>>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>>>> complete list of ingredients.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>>>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:39:59 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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> As I understand it, there is a hereditary heart enlargement problem which can be exacerbated by legumes. I believe the whole thing is still being investigated.
> I also read somewhere that adding taurine can help.
> I think there were other things being investigated besides legumes, but can't rmember which.
> There's an article about it on dogfoodadvisor.com, though I clearly didn't re-read it this morning.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 2:06 PM
> To: Danielle Sykora via NAGDU
> Cc: Lisa Belville
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
>
> Danielle, I had Paige on Sport dog for a while, but they either changed
> their formulation or their distributor, and I could no longer get it
> reliably from either Amazon or Chewy. Too bad, it was a great food and
> Paige loved it. They also had a maintenance feeding schedule for each
> formula that was good to use during the winter when we just didn't get
> out as much.
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, what is the issue with legumes as a protein source?
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>
> On 12/13/2019 10:38 AM, Danielle Sykora via NAGDU wrote:
>> I also use chewy to look up ingredient lists, and the full ingredient list should be listed under nutritional info for every food. I do find it a little easier to use on my iPhone than my laptop, but both work.
>> One of my dogs is also allergic to chicken. I rotate between Farmina Ancestral Grain and Nature?s Logic. Farmina Fish formula is completely free of chicken, while the lamb contains only chicken fat. Many dogs that are allergic to chicken don?t react to chicken fat, because it is the protein that causes the allergy. I know off the top of my head that the pork and turkey formulas of Nature?s Logic are completely free of all chicken ingredients.
>> I normally would recommend Victor as well, but it?s not my first choice for a dog with a chicken allergy. Most of their formulas that do not contain chicken are either quite low in protein, or have a lot of legumes.
>> The Sport Dog buffalo-based formulas are also free of chicken, and provide high calorie options.
>> Danielle
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I use the chewie app on my iPhone to look up ingredients. It?s easy to use and all of the ingredients are listed.
>>> Just off the top of my head i can suggest, Nature?s Logic and Victor.
>>>
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>>>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>>>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>>>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>>>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>>>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>>>> complete list of ingredients.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>>>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:02:14 -0600
> From: sunshine <halogirl817 at gmail.com>
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> Both spellings are correct!
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> Sunshine
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> Sent from my iPhone XR
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>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?This is not a criticism, but Vivianna said she went to chewie. Is that
>> different from chewy?
>> Thanks, and I may really need this information one day.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 9:20 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
>>
>> I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>> complete list of ingredients.
>>
>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>
>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:00:10 -0800
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] My magic leash that keeps dog's nose off the ground,
> hands free
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> Hi folks,
>
> I promised that we would get you photos of my leash rig, which allows me to walk with Metukah's head up, free from worry that she might put a curious nose to the ground. A bit of a project to get this coordinated, so for those of you who contacted me about it, thanks for waiting.
>
> If you or someone else can see the photos, this will help to explain how my rig works so nicely.
>
> As I?ve written before, the trainer recognized so much good about Metukah and the bond between us, that she blew off their usual rule about not using head halters. Metukah has always had a curious nose, and so I learned to use it as an indicator and as communcation instead of a hindrance. With my balance issues, I need to find out she is turning or shifting, not as she does it, but when she is between thinking about doing it and initiating it. This is why I use a head halter. I feel when she just begins moving her gaze and snout direction, long before it initiates through the shoulder. So it works very sensitively. And with this training the way we did it, the pressure with which I hold her leash is only that of the flexing of joints of one finger, with just a finger pad through a leash loop. The rig helps us to be that subtly dialed in together.
>
> So here we go: It is this simple - - A normal leash, with a few webbing loops sewn on in the right places. Then all you do is clip a carabiner on the end of the leash, onto your belt, and then pull up and clip one of those sewn loops into the carabiner as well. This leaves the working length between the belt and the head halter. There will be a loop of leash hanging down a foot or so as well, which is clipped leash that is leftover from your current working length.
>
> This red one is a backup leash. It is not as custom as my normal rig, which has more loops. We will show the custom rig next, but I wanted to give you something really simple to start with. This is a plain red leash with two blue loops sewn on. Here it is, laying on the floor. Then, held up, hanging, with one of the loops clipped like how we work.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok. Now lets use my normal custom rig. First photo, it is clipped on my belt, with the longer relaxed length that I control with a finger through a loop which is spaced between me and Metukah. In this longer working position, she can cruise with her head all over, including the ground. It is a comfortable all around walking length. The cool thing is that with us trained together, if I have packages or something occupying my hands, she knows to walk in formation with me, and for brief periods I can simply feel where she is by the sensation of the leash on my belt. So if I drop the leash, accidentally or on purpose, all I have to do is scoop my hand down and I?ll be right back onto it. We don?t have to break stride.
>
>
>
> And then, here I have put her on an even shorter loop. We work longer and more comfortably than this, but this is pulled up a little shorter, so that you can understand what shortening it is like. My thumb and finger point up and down to show the short distance now from belt to head. This clip is much too short for her to function comfortably, just showing now to give you a look at shortening.
>
> Think of being at a taqueria, or the salad bar at whole foods or someplace where people are moving around, scooping and dropping food everywhere. You meet a friend or neighbor by surprise and become engrossed in conversation?I don?t think any dog on the planet wouldn?t at some point not go, hey, dude, I?m all alone down here wiht nothing to do?oh, say, yum, check out this little delectable here? This rig prevents that while keeping comfortable working positions when standing or walking.
>
>
> Now here is a photo to show you the leash itself, how loops are sewn on. Nearest to Metukah, there are several finger loops. That?s the left side in the photo. These are for closer work, both in tight spaces and when I am using my cane with her at the same time. These are also the loops I either hold or clip onto my belt when I want her working but unable to get her head on the ground. For that, I simple clip the one that is anatomically comfortable for her, but just an inch or two shorter than her nose would touch the floor.
>
> The stretch of leash on the right side of the photo, more distant from her, shows more loops, which I use in the longer, more relaxed walking where head down isn?t an issue or needs to be for her investigations / navigations.
>
> Here is a photo of how just a finger easily controls and receives information through the leash.
>
>
>
> Now have a look at this carabiner.
>
> Why a carabiner? Because they are strong, have a big mouth gate that will fit over almost any belt to close securely, and they make a fast clip tiedown anywhere. That might be leash around something, clipped to itself, or click, onto the buttom rung of a chair, or quickly looped around your own leg if you are sitting?or on long full leash length from your own belt in a jiffy.
>
> Any carabiner will do. But as an all day, every day use item, this particular one is the nicest. This is made by Petzel, and it is called, spirit carabiner, bent. It is a D shaped biner, with the optimal gate function for this purpose. It is relatively flat in the body, so when you are wearing it, it won?t bug your hipbone inside your belt. And most of all, it is the only carabiner I have found with the inside securing barb, the spot where the gate locks shut, where this little tooth of a catch does not protrude to hang up on stuff. It is more streamlined and smoother. On and off my belt through the day, it makes a nice difference although I own and use many other carabiners. I love this one. It will set you back about ten bucks, but it might outlive you.
>
>
> OK, last thing. Loop placement. This is easy. Get someone to help you. Stand in the exact working positions and distances that you want when it is clipped on your belt. Have someone mark it on the leash, and then sew away. I use two inches of material per loop. Before sewing it down, I raise it up to bulge off the leash a bit, like an inchworm. That way, on the go, I can just find and slip a finger right into it.
>
> Use nylon upholstry thread. It won?t degrade and is very strong. I tack twice at each sewing point, with two separate threads, and triple knot at the end. And I make at least ten or fifteen passes of the thread to secure, to make sure it is strong enough to withstand massive force. Two, so that if one ever abraids, strains or lets go, the other is still solid.
>
> Here?s another idea. Contact Cetacea. Ask them to make loops like this, on one of their leashes, and simply space one loop every foot, or every half foot if you really want to live large. They will probably charge you a little, but they said they would be willing. The material of theirs that I use is called two step. This material is micro woven, soft, pliable and strong. Unlike store bought leashes, it does not stiffen with age.
>
>
> Best O Luck!!
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
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> Executive & individual coaching, consultation, and nature-based facilitation
> www. Wolf Leadership Institute . com
> 707. 829 - 0776
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 15:34:11 -0600
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] My magic leash that keeps dog's nose off the
> ground, hands free
> Message-ID: <006101d5b1fd$0f44d870$2dce8950$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Peter, I am guessing you do not use a harness with this rig up?
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 3:00 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] My magic leash that keeps dog's nose off the ground, hands free
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I promised that we would get you photos of my leash rig, which allows me to walk with Metukah's head up, free from worry that she might put a curious nose to the ground. A bit of a project to get this coordinated, so for those of you who contacted me about it, thanks for waiting.
>
> If you or someone else can see the photos, this will help to explain how my rig works so nicely.
>
> As I?ve written before, the trainer recognized so much good about Metukah and the bond between us, that she blew off their usual rule about not using head halters. Metukah has always had a curious nose, and so I learned to use it as an indicator and as communcation instead of a hindrance. With my balance issues, I need to find out she is turning or shifting, not as she does it, but when she is between thinking about doing it and initiating it. This is why I use a head halter. I feel when she just begins moving her gaze and snout direction, long before it initiates through the shoulder. So it works very sensitively. And with this training the way we did it, the pressure with which I hold her leash is only that of the flexing of joints of one finger, with just a finger pad through a leash loop. The rig helps us to be that subtly dialed in together.
>
> So here we go: It is this simple - - A normal leash, with a few webbing loops sewn on in the right places. Then all you do is clip a carabiner on the end of the leash, onto your belt, and then pull up and clip one of those sewn loops into the carabiner as well. This leaves the working length between the belt and the head halter. There will be a loop of leash hanging down a foot or so as well, which is clipped leash that is leftover from your current working length.
>
> This red one is a backup leash. It is not as custom as my normal rig, which has more loops. We will show the custom rig next, but I wanted to give you something really simple to start with. This is a plain red leash with two blue loops sewn on. Here it is, laying on the floor. Then, held up, hanging, with one of the loops clipped like how we work.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok. Now lets use my normal custom rig. First photo, it is clipped on my belt, with the longer relaxed length that I control with a finger through a loop which is spaced between me and Metukah. In this longer working position, she can cruise with her head all over, including the ground. It is a comfortable all around walking length. The cool thing is that with us trained together, if I have packages or something occupying my hands, she knows to walk in formation with me, and for brief periods I can simply feel where she is by the sensation of the leash on my belt. So if I drop the leash, accidentally or on purpose, all I have to do is scoop my hand down and I?ll be right back onto it. We don?t have to break stride.
>
>
>
> And then, here I have put her on an even shorter loop. We work longer and more comfortably than this, but this is pulled up a little shorter, so that you can understand what shortening it is like. My thumb and finger point up and down to show the short distance now from belt to head. This clip is much too short for her to function comfortably, just showing now to give you a look at shortening.
>
> Think of being at a taqueria, or the salad bar at whole foods or someplace where people are moving around, scooping and dropping food everywhere. You meet a friend or neighbor by surprise and become engrossed in conversation?I don?t think any dog on the planet wouldn?t at some point not go, hey, dude, I?m all alone down here wiht nothing to do?oh, say, yum, check out this little delectable here? This rig prevents that while keeping comfortable working positions when standing or walking.
>
>
> Now here is a photo to show you the leash itself, how loops are sewn on. Nearest to Metukah, there are several finger loops. That?s the left side in the photo. These are for closer work, both in tight spaces and when I am using my cane with her at the same time. These are also the loops I either hold or clip onto my belt when I want her working but unable to get her head on the ground. For that, I simple clip the one that is anatomically comfortable for her, but just an inch or two shorter than her nose would touch the floor.
>
> The stretch of leash on the right side of the photo, more distant from her, shows more loops, which I use in the longer, more relaxed walking where head down isn?t an issue or needs to be for her investigations / navigations.
>
> Here is a photo of how just a finger easily controls and receives information through the leash.
>
>
>
> Now have a look at this carabiner.
>
> Why a carabiner? Because they are strong, have a big mouth gate that will fit over almost any belt to close securely, and they make a fast clip tiedown anywhere. That might be leash around something, clipped to itself, or click, onto the buttom rung of a chair, or quickly looped around your own leg if you are sitting?or on long full leash length from your own belt in a jiffy.
>
> Any carabiner will do. But as an all day, every day use item, this particular one is the nicest. This is made by Petzel, and it is called, spirit carabiner, bent. It is a D shaped biner, with the optimal gate function for this purpose. It is relatively flat in the body, so when you are wearing it, it won?t bug your hipbone inside your belt. And most of all, it is the only carabiner I have found with the inside securing barb, the spot where the gate locks shut, where this little tooth of a catch does not protrude to hang up on stuff. It is more streamlined and smoother. On and off my belt through the day, it makes a nice difference although I own and use many other carabiners. I love this one. It will set you back about ten bucks, but it might outlive you.
>
>
> OK, last thing. Loop placement. This is easy. Get someone to help you. Stand in the exact working positions and distances that you want when it is clipped on your belt. Have someone mark it on the leash, and then sew away. I use two inches of material per loop. Before sewing it down, I raise it up to bulge off the leash a bit, like an inchworm. That way, on the go, I can just find and slip a finger right into it.
>
> Use nylon upholstry thread. It won?t degrade and is very strong. I tack twice at each sewing point, with two separate threads, and triple knot at the end. And I make at least ten or fifteen passes of the thread to secure, to make sure it is strong enough to withstand massive force. Two, so that if one ever abraids, strains or lets go, the other is still solid.
>
> Here?s another idea. Contact Cetacea. Ask them to make loops like this, on one of their leashes, and simply space one loop every foot, or every half foot if you really want to live large. They will probably charge you a little, but they said they would be willing. The material of theirs that I use is called two step. This material is micro woven, soft, pliable and strong. Unlike store bought leashes, it does not stiffen with age.
>
>
> Best O Luck!!
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:21:02 -0500
> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
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>> Sport Dog did change there formulas entirely about a year and a half ago. I also changed to a different food due to supply issues. I'm happy with the brands I use now and haven't switched back, but Sport Dog does still have some good formulas.
>> The issue with legumes are that they are the main ingredient implicated in nutrition related dialated cardio mmyopathy. It's usually presented as grain free is universally bad and grain inclusive is universally good, but it's not that simple. Anyway, it's best to avoid food with legumes as the main source of carbohydrates. Legumes and pea protein are also the way to cheap out on animal protein while keeping the protein percentage on the label high, the same way gluten, soy (well technically a legume too), and byproducts have been used for a long time.
>> The other ingredients being discussed are potato and sweet potato probably just because those are the other typical carbohydrate sources in the grain free diet. Interestingly though, if you look at the brands with the most reported cases of DCM, they are all heavily legume-based or just generally lacking all that much meat. Supplementing with taurine may or may not be helpful. A can of sardines once or twice a week is a great source of taurine as well as many other nutrients, for those who feed legume containing foods or would just feel comfortable with some extra taurine.
>> Danielle
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 3:03 PM, sunshine via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Both spellings are correct!
>>
>> Sunshine
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone XR
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?This is not a criticism, but Vivianna said she went to chewie. Is that
>> different from chewy?
>> Thanks, and I may really need this information one day.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 9:20 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Dogfood research
>>
>> I'm trying to research some alternative dogfood for Krokus, because it seems
>> wise to switch proteins every so often. He's allergic to chicken, so I
>> really want to see all the ingredients, which is proving very difficult.
>> I've gone to dogfoodadvisor.com, but they only show one example of a brand's
>> offering, and often it's the choice with chicken. When I try to see the
>> other varieties, I'm sent off to chewy or Amazon, which often don't have a
>> complete list of ingredients.
>>
>> I guess I could go to PetCo, call AIRA, and go over all the labels, but
>> that's a pretty time-intensive process, I bet.
>>
>> Anyone got advice how to find comprehensive ingredient lists?
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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