[NAGDU] backtracking Some Questions About Guiding Eyes

Wed Jul 31 00:32:07 UTC 2019

And that is saying alot. Conventions in itself are difficult. Good girl Soleil!

On 7/30/19, Rox Homstad via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I loved the story about Irish. Another list member said earlier that back
> tracking is a hard skill to teach and is not seen frequently, and I'm going
> to have to disagree. I just finished training my 7th dog, and all of them
> whether from a program or owner trained have been expected to be able to do
> this, and all of them have. Maybe my dogs just feel sorry for me because i'm
> extra helpless, lol.
> My favorite story of this kind was a couple years ago when I was at NFB
> national convention and a friend of mine and I were in the convention center
> area on one of the first days and it was the first time I'd ever been to
> this hotel. We were both super hungry and tired and just ready to be done,
> and we were both super lost so I just looked at soleil and said "find the
> way" which is my more Jeddie way of saying I'm lost please figure it out!
> And my friend held on to my backpack and Soleil guided us in and around the
> crowd, stopped at the escalator and then again at the starbucks because she
> knows me far, far to well, and then to the bellstand so we could call our
> taxi.
> I have never been more proud of her than I was that day.
>
> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Charlene Ota via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Irish was pretty good about reversing routes, one time in particular that
>> boy really saved my bacon!  We had to go to a dinner in a building
>> downtown
>> Honolulu in the evening. That building is a real maize and it was pretty
>> much deserted. I got assistance going into where the restaurant was from
>> the
>> paratransit driver but when the dinner was done, none of the other people
>> at
>> dinner had any idea how to get down to the main floor and out to the
>> street,
>> they had all come in their cars and parked in the parking area next to
>> the
>> restaurant. Nobody seemed to know how to get out and my paratransit ride
>> was
>> waiting for me. I told the driver to please wait because it might take me
>> a
>> while to get out as I might get lost.  Well, I told Irish forward and he
>> wanted to go the opposite way I would have gone and we started out on our
>> way and I kept telling him to go find the lift (being the Ausie boy that
>> he
>> was, he knew lift rather than elevator). He would come to a turn and kind
>> of
>> look up at me and I'd tell him to go and he'd take the turns and sure
>> enough, allof a sudden I felt his tail wagging and there was the elevator
>> and after we got down to the main floor he made a dash for the exit, too,
>> and we got out and found our ride home!  I was never so glad to get in
>> that
>> taxi to go home!  It was so deserted and downtown Honolulu isn't where
>> you
>> want to be in the later evening, either. Needless to say my boy got a big
>> hug from me!
>>
>> I would say that backtracing is something that you can develop with your
>> dog, using encouragement and a lot of praise when they show you landmarks
>> or
>> indicate remembering turns and things. It's just important to keep a good
>> balance so the dog still knows they need to follow your direction if you
>> don't want to actually reverse the route or maybe just want to pass a
>> place
>> they remember.
>>
>> Charlene
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lisa Belville via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:34 PM
>> To: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Lisa Belville <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Some Questions About Guiding Eyes
>>
>> Tracey, this is what I thought backtracking was, too.?? I've also heard
>> it
>> called reversing a route, i.e. you go someplace using mostly right turns
>> and
>> the route back uses left turns.?? Some dogs find it boring, especially
>> ones
>> with more initiative.?? Still, there are times when this is the way I
>> want
>> to go.?? It could be for safety reasons such as construction work or me
>> just
>> being too hot/tired.
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't want a school telling me this is something I shouldn't be
>> doing
>> with my dogs.?? IMO if someone doesn't use backtracking often there's no
>> harm in doing it occasionally.?????? I'd be interested to hear GEB's
>> reasoning for this policy.
>>
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>
>>> On 7/30/2019 12:19 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>> What I call backtracking is when the dog can reverse a path, without
>>> too much input from me.  I had one dog who was really good at it.  If
>>> we'd go hiking, say, then decide after a while we wanted to go back
>>> the way we'd come, I'd turn her around, tell her Forward, and she'd
>>> remember where we turned and go back to where we started.  Pretty
>>> handy.  But not all dogs can do it well.  For me, it's a nice extra, but
>> by no means a must-have.
>>> Others may feel differently.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> Hmm, what do you mean by backtracking?
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/29/19, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> From what I was told when I had my home visit from Guiding Eyes,
>>>>> they do have mandatory follow ups, and the following is what ended
>>>>> up me taking them off the list.  They absolutely do not want you
>>>>> doing any back tracking nor do they want their dogs doing anything
>>>>> but really simple street crossings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Danielle Ledet
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:48 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Some Questions About Guiding Eyes
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey yall,
>>>>> I am considering strongly putting in my application for Guiding Eyes.
>>>>> How long do retrains have to stay? And, do they have mandatory
>>>>> yearly followup visits? That's all for now, but do share your
>>>>> experiences with the school for training and after you and your dog
>>>>> have been working for awhile.
>>>>> Positives? Negatives? Thanks you guys!
>>>>>
>>>>> I met a Guiding Eyes dog and was very impressed with the
>>>>> responsiveness even when not in harness. I prefer my dogs to be
>>>>> seroius when working and not be easily distracted. This was a dog
>>>>> fresh out of training and all of 2 years old.
>>>>>
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How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young,
compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and
tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will
have been all of these.
George Washington Carver
Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com