[NAGDU] Crosses

Thu Mar 7 01:05:26 UTC 2019

Sandra,

Again, I agree with you and Tracey, My two labs have had a bed next to my bed for years and they both have been perfect in the house.  I think if they are going to be pets in the house then they should be expected to behave without being in a crate.  I wouldn't expect anything less.  Occupaws has some great trainers, and I know I may be a bit bias, but both of my pups have been perfectly behaved in the house with free range.

-Janell and the black beauties!
They both have ample opportunity for resting on their bed or laying by my feet.

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Hello:

I understand that many guide dog handlers use crates.  However, I do think some of the puppy raisers use it so much that the dog does not have enough opportunities to learn proper behavior.  I have never felt the need to use a crate with any of my guide dogs.  If a bad behavior did occur I immediately dealt with it and the dog quickly learned what was expected.  When I got Eva from Pilot five years ago they had crates in the rooms.  It broke my heart to put her in the crate.  I think crates are extremely cruel.  She cried pitifully and I felt like I had put my precious golden pup into prison.  Her trainer admitted that Eva hated being in her crate and he had a tough time training her to get in it.  I knew I would never use a crate after class so, I just let her lye next to my bed on a fleece blanket I had brought to class for her.

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> I would put most of the blame on the owner not the crate. Crates are 
> great, but they are not intended to be used as a place to put the dog 
> at all times. My dog is only in the crate under certain circumstances. 
> Some dogs like the crate. It's a safe haven. I have a dog that is 
> over-zealous when people come to visit. Some time in the crate 
> eliminates the issue of my dog's attempt to jump on people. After 
> friends or family are here a while, my dog is taken out of the crate. 
> As long as no one rials her up, she does fine.

It's a matter of preference. Some people never use a crate, though they do tie their dogs down. There are times when we might crate our dogs. Even when I leave home, my dog doesn't need to be crated. She likes going to it and has since I've had her.

Sunshine

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> On Mar 6, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU 
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> Personally, I put part of the blame on the crate training that's all 
> the rage these days.  Can't watch the puppy?  Put him in his crate, 
> and forget about it.  So the puppy doesn't learn to behave without 
> someone keeping a close eye on it every minute.  Not a fan of crate 
> training.  Seems more like crate not-training to me.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 11:37 AM
> To: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Crosses
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> Hi Tracy,
>
>
> I am only on my first guide dog, so can't compare several dogs. But my 
> dog is a pure lab and had all of Krokus' habits in the early days. It 
> took a lot of patience and time to teach him how to behave in the 
> house but it worked well.
>
> I'd say rather than being a cross thing, it's a matter of socialization.
> Obviously, the family where Taylor grew up before he started training 
> wasn't so keen on good house manners. But I don't know what it's like 
> in the US, where the puppies are before they start proper training.
>
> Lisa
>
>
>> Am 05.03.2019 um 16:48 schrieb Tracy Carcione via NAGDU:
>> Krokus is a lab/golden cross.  He was quite young when I got him, and 
>> did his best to chew up as many of my possessions as he could.  If I 
>> tried to put things out of his reach, he'd find something to climb on 
>> to get at stuff. I was *not happy.
>> I just talked to a friend who recently got a cross and is having a 
>> very similar problem.  Is this a cross thing?
>> Krokus is my seventh guide dog, and I never had such a chewer before, 
>> but I never had a cross before, either.  It's really not something I 
>> want to deal with.  He eventually grew out of it, mostly, but getting 
>> to this stage was not fun.  Well, great fun for him, none for me.
>> If it's a cross thing, I'll say next time I don't want one, even if I 
>> have to wait, as there are so many of the crosses now.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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