[NAGDU] Poop bags

Peter Wolf pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Mon Mar 25 19:46:26 UTC 2019


For poop bags, we do two things.  First, rename it:  Poor man’s pocket warmer!  That gets a laugh in the hood, but it also takes the drugery out mentally.  And to help that…second, if you are going to carry it around, seriously friends, double bag it so you can actually put it in your pocket!  

Environmentally speaking, it does concern us that we use plastic…any plastic.  Having just learned that only about 10% of recycling material actually does get recycled, we recently switched from plastic poop bags to compostable ones.  They cost more, but they are made from corn and will degrade.  Biobag is one brand, and there are several others.  How far can we take this?  Corn, hmm.  That means commercial corn, a monsanto product.  We are looking for something better.  Meanwhile, double bag and have fun.  

Oh, here’s one more thing.  No matter how many bags, the smell will eventually get through.  Many cars have a rear windshield wiper these days.  If there isn’t a can around, and we or a frient have a car, we put the rear wiper blade between the poop and the knot.  You can drive across the state and arrive with it pristine and beautiful…for trash can delivery.  Cheers!
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>   1. The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted relieving)
>      (Tracy Carcione)
>   2. Re: The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted relieving)
>      (Jean Menzies)
>   3. Re: The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted relieving) (Miranda)
>   4. Carrying used poop bags (Jean Menzies)
>   5. Re: The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted relieving)
>      (Cindy Ray)
>   6. Re: Carrying used poop bags (Jean Menzies)
>   7. Re: Carrying used poop bags (Jean Menzies)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:54:46 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted relieving)
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> These are the words to my little blues song.  Like many blues songs, it's pretty simple.
> Well, I'm walking 'round Manhattan
> With a poop bag in my hand.
> Yeah I'm walking 'round Manhattan
> With a full bag in my hand.
> You know I've looked on every corner
> And I can't find a garbage can.
> 
> 
> That's it.  It's annoying in Manhattan, where there are really lots of trash cans.  It's almost impossible to find a public trashcan in the town where I live.  I can only think of 3, and they're well-spaced.
> Tracy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janell via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
> 
> Alright Tracey,
> 
> Please tell us what the words to your song are?  ?
> 
> I was just on vacation in Florida and Rosy went 5 times in one day.  I am sure it was partly due to the stress of traveling and being in a strange place, but I found myself carrying around those lovely poop bags most of my trip!
> 
> -Janell and miss poops a lot!  ?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:55 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
> 
> Hi Jean.
> I feel your pain.  Krokus does the same trick.  Just out of curiosity, is your dog from TSE?  I begin to think pooping on route is a TSE feature, though I know dogs from other schools sometimes do, too.
> 
> I take him to relieve in front of my house, mostly.  I let him walk around along the whole strip of grass and street in the front, about 60 feet.  Often, enough walking up and down will stimulate him to go.  For some reason, he is more likely to poop when my husband takes him than when I do.  Maybe my husband is more patient.
> I've also found that attaching the relieving belt and the bag can stimulate him to go, too.  Maybe it bugs him, and he wants to get it off?
> At work, I walk him a block or so to a good spot, put on his bag, then let him sniff and spin until I get a result.  He used to get distracted by all the action around, but now he just needs some encouraging "park time"'s from me, and he does his thing.
> 
> If none of that works, and he starts stopping on route and saying he has to go, I try to keep him moving to a spot we've used before, just so he doesn't start thinking he can stop anywhere.  Of course, then every time we pass that spot, he thinks it's time to stop and have a sniff and a pee, so I really try to get him to go before we go.
> 
> Good luck.  For me, relieving on route is very aggravating.  I've even made up a little blues song about walking around with a full baggy, trying to find a trash can.
> Tracy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 6:01 PM
> To: NAGDU
> Cc: Jean Menzies
> Subject: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
> 
> I know there is no real answer for this other than probably likely time and possibly maturity, but here goes. 
> 
> I have a new pup. I take him out for park time, and he always pees. I give him lots of time and encouragement for a poop, but often there is nothing. Then we harness up and head out, only to have him often poop in the first 200 or 300 yards of our route. His signs of needing to go on route are clear. He walks very, very slowly, stops, won?t go, pulls into the grass, etc. If I force it and try and ignore his needing to go and try to get home so that he can park at home, he will poop on the road in harness. If I take his harness off and let him go to the edge of the road, he often gets distracted by the grass and brush on the edges and starts eating crap instead of doing what he so urgently indicated he had to do. 
> 
> Factors: 
> 1 He is new. 
> 2 He has never had a yard before, and gets distracted by the grass and new smells, so parking at home might be just distracting on its own. 
> 3 We are walking on gravel roads with grass or brush along the edges. If I let him stop along the way, he gets fixated on eating crap and won?t necessarily poop. Again, all this new stuff is just amazing to eat. 
> 
> I really praise him when he poops at home especially prior to a walk. I sometimes even  offer up a treat reward for a home poop. 
> 
> So, any ideas on how to further encourage that poop prior to heading out? I give him lots of time and encouragement to move about. I don?t want  pooping on route to become the norm. 
> 
> What are people?s reactions to this kind of situation? Obviously, it is frustrating. But do you just accept that poop happens and if he has to go, he has to go, or do you fall into another camp and try to fix this behaviour? 
> 
> Thanks for any input. 
> 
> Jean and Boomer
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:32:45 -0700
> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted
> 	relieving)
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> Tracy,
> 
> I love it and can relate. The island that I live on has absolutely no public 
> garbage cans, and I have to carry the prize home to discard it. Well, we 
> have no businesses either, so that makes sense and is okay. I do have 
> several places where I can covertly stash a bag if I am on my way to catch 
> the ferry to go to town. Hey, I don't want to be holding a smelly poop bag 
> in my hand on a crowded passenger-only ferry. lol. I then pick up the bag 
> from its hiding place on my way home and put it in our home garbage.
> 
> In town, I know of a few garbage cans, but I wish I knew more. I know 
> they're there, but where. Ug. I think I need a song too. I'll have to think 
> on that. But I do have a fridge magnet that says "Poop happens: Just pick it 
> up and move on." One of the letter "o"s looks like a pile of poop.
> 
> Seriously, for those times that you have to cary a poop bag in close 
> proximity to others, have you found a way of doing it that masks the smell a 
> bit? I have heard of a carry bag called a Turdle bag, but I don't know how 
> well it works and if it is more hassle than its worth.
> 
> Jean and Boomer
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:54 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [NAGDU] The full baggy blues (was RE: distracted relieving)
> 
> These are the words to my little blues song.  Like many blues songs, it's 
> pretty simple.
> Well, I'm walking 'round Manhattan
> With a poop bag in my hand.
> Yeah I'm walking 'round Manhattan
> With a full bag in my hand.
> You know I've looked on every corner
> And I can't find a garbage can.
> 
> 
> That's it.  It's annoying in Manhattan, where there are really lots of trash 
> cans.  It's almost impossible to find a public trashcan in the town where I 
> live.  I can only think of 3, and they're well-spaced.
> Tracy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janell via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:37 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
> 
> Alright Tracey,
> 
> Please tell us what the words to your song are?  ?
> 
> I was just on vacation in Florida and Rosy went 5 times in one day.  I am 
> sure it was partly due to the stress of traveling and being in a strange 
> place, but I found myself carrying around those lovely poop bags most of my 
> trip!
> 
> -Janell and miss poops a lot!  ?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:55 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
> 
> Hi Jean.
> I feel your pain.  Krokus does the same trick.  Just out of curiosity, is 
> your dog from TSE?  I begin to think pooping on route is a TSE feature, 
> though I know dogs from other schools sometimes do, too.
> 
> I take him to relieve in front of my house, mostly.  I let him walk around 
> along the whole strip of grass and street in the front, about 60 feet. 
> Often, enough walking up and down will stimulate him to go.  For some 
> reason, he is more likely to poop when my husband takes him than when I do. 
> Maybe my husband is more patient.
> I've also found that attaching the relieving belt and the bag can stimulate 
> him to go, too.  Maybe it bugs him, and he wants to get it off?
> At work, I walk him a block or so to a good spot, put on his bag, then let 
> him sniff and spin until I get a result.  He used to get distracted by all 
> the action around, but now he just needs some encouraging "park time"'s from 
> me, and he does his thing.
> 
> If none of that works, and he starts stopping on route and saying he has to 
> go, I try to keep him moving to a spot we've used before, just so he doesn't 
> start thinking he can stop anywhere.  Of course, then every time we pass 
> that spot, he thinks it's time to stop and have a sniff and a pee, so I 
> really try to get him to go before we go.
> 
> Good luck.  For me, relieving on route is very aggravating.  I've even made 
> up a little blues song about walking around with a full baggy, trying to 
> find a trash can.
> Tracy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via 
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 6:01 PM
> To: NAGDU
> Cc: Jean Menzies
> Subject: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
> 
> I know there is no real answer for this other than probably likely time and 
> possibly maturity, but here goes.
> 
> I have a new pup. I take him out for park time, and he always pees. I give 
> him lots of time and encouragement for a poop, but often there is nothing. 
> Then we harness up and head out, only to have him often poop in the first 
> 200 or 300 yards of our route. His signs of needing to go on route are 
> clear. He walks very, very slowly, stops, won?t go, pulls into the grass, 
> etc. If I force it and try and ignore his needing to go and try to get home 
> so that he can park at home, he will poop on the road in harness. If I take 
> his harness off and let him go to the edge of the road, he often gets 
> distracted by the grass and brush on the edges and starts eating crap 
> instead of doing what he so urgently indicated he had to do.
> 
> Factors:
> 1 He is new.
> 2 He has never had a yard before, and gets distracted by the grass and new 
> smells, so parking at home might be just distracting on its own.
> 3 We are walking on gravel roads with grass or brush along the edges. If I 
> let him stop along the way, he gets fixated on eating crap and won?t 
> necessarily poop. Again, all this new stuff is just amazing to eat.
> 
> I really praise him when he poops at home especially prior to a walk. I 
> sometimes even  offer up a treat reward for a home poop.
> 
> So, any ideas on how to further encourage that poop prior to heading out? I 
> give him lots of time and encouragement to move about. I don?t want  pooping 
> on route to become the norm.
> 
> What are people?s reactions to this kind of situation? Obviously, it is 
> frustrating. But do you just accept that poop happens and if he has to go, 
> he has to go, or do you fall into another camp and try to fix this 
> behaviour?
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 
> Jean and Boomer
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:23:03 -0400
> From: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted
> 	relieving)
> Message-ID: <757C241B-EFBC-449B-B843-9142E238D496 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> Someone recommended Turdle Bag to me, and I love them. I don?t have the website offhand, but you can always Google it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Tracy,
>> 
>> I love it and can relate. The island that I live on has absolutely no public garbage cans, and I have to carry the prize home to discard it. Well, we have no businesses either, so that makes sense and is okay. I do have several places where I can covertly stash a bag if I am on my way to catch the ferry to go to town. Hey, I don't want to be holding a smelly poop bag in my hand on a crowded passenger-only ferry. lol. I then pick up the bag from its hiding place on my way home and put it in our home garbage.
>> 
>> In town, I know of a few garbage cans, but I wish I knew more. I know they're there, but where. Ug. I think I need a song too. I'll have to think on that. But I do have a fridge magnet that says "Poop happens: Just pick it up and move on." One of the letter "o"s looks like a pile of poop.
>> 
>> Seriously, for those times that you have to cary a poop bag in close proximity to others, have you found a way of doing it that masks the smell a bit? I have heard of a carry bag called a Turdle bag, but I don't know how well it works and if it is more hassle than its worth.
>> 
>> Jean and Boomer
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:54 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>> Subject: [NAGDU] The full baggy blues (was RE: distracted relieving)
>> 
>> These are the words to my little blues song.  Like many blues songs, it's pretty simple.
>> Well, I'm walking 'round Manhattan
>> With a poop bag in my hand.
>> Yeah I'm walking 'round Manhattan
>> With a full bag in my hand.
>> You know I've looked on every corner
>> And I can't find a garbage can.
>> 
>> 
>> That's it.  It's annoying in Manhattan, where there are really lots of trash cans.  It's almost impossible to find a public trashcan in the town where I live.  I can only think of 3, and they're well-spaced.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janell via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:37 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
>> 
>> Alright Tracey,
>> 
>> Please tell us what the words to your song are?  ?
>> 
>> I was just on vacation in Florida and Rosy went 5 times in one day.  I am sure it was partly due to the stress of traveling and being in a strange place, but I found myself carrying around those lovely poop bags most of my trip!
>> 
>> -Janell and miss poops a lot!  ?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:55 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
>> 
>> Hi Jean.
>> I feel your pain.  Krokus does the same trick.  Just out of curiosity, is your dog from TSE?  I begin to think pooping on route is a TSE feature, though I know dogs from other schools sometimes do, too.
>> 
>> I take him to relieve in front of my house, mostly.  I let him walk around along the whole strip of grass and street in the front, about 60 feet. Often, enough walking up and down will stimulate him to go.  For some reason, he is more likely to poop when my husband takes him than when I do. Maybe my husband is more patient.
>> I've also found that attaching the relieving belt and the bag can stimulate him to go, too.  Maybe it bugs him, and he wants to get it off?
>> At work, I walk him a block or so to a good spot, put on his bag, then let him sniff and spin until I get a result.  He used to get distracted by all the action around, but now he just needs some encouraging "park time"'s from me, and he does his thing.
>> 
>> If none of that works, and he starts stopping on route and saying he has to go, I try to keep him moving to a spot we've used before, just so he doesn't start thinking he can stop anywhere.  Of course, then every time we pass that spot, he thinks it's time to stop and have a sniff and a pee, so I really try to get him to go before we go.
>> 
>> Good luck.  For me, relieving on route is very aggravating.  I've even made up a little blues song about walking around with a full baggy, trying to find a trash can.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 6:01 PM
>> To: NAGDU
>> Cc: Jean Menzies
>> Subject: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
>> 
>> I know there is no real answer for this other than probably likely time and possibly maturity, but here goes.
>> 
>> I have a new pup. I take him out for park time, and he always pees. I give him lots of time and encouragement for a poop, but often there is nothing. Then we harness up and head out, only to have him often poop in the first 200 or 300 yards of our route. His signs of needing to go on route are clear. He walks very, very slowly, stops, won?t go, pulls into the grass, etc. If I force it and try and ignore his needing to go and try to get home so that he can park at home, he will poop on the road in harness. If I take his harness off and let him go to the edge of the road, he often gets distracted by the grass and brush on the edges and starts eating crap instead of doing what he so urgently indicated he had to do.
>> 
>> Factors:
>> 1 He is new.
>> 2 He has never had a yard before, and gets distracted by the grass and new smells, so parking at home might be just distracting on its own.
>> 3 We are walking on gravel roads with grass or brush along the edges. If I let him stop along the way, he gets fixated on eating crap and won?t necessarily poop. Again, all this new stuff is just amazing to eat.
>> 
>> I really praise him when he poops at home especially prior to a walk. I sometimes even  offer up a treat reward for a home poop.
>> 
>> So, any ideas on how to further encourage that poop prior to heading out? I give him lots of time and encouragement to move about. I don?t want  pooping on route to become the norm.
>> 
>> What are people?s reactions to this kind of situation? Obviously, it is frustrating. But do you just accept that poop happens and if he has to go, he has to go, or do you fall into another camp and try to fix this behaviour?
>> 
>> Thanks for any input.
>> 
>> Jean and Boomer
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:32:42 -0700
> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU" <NAGDU at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Carrying used poop bags
> Message-ID: <4A12191AA234477B9C140A35C5FB1FF3 at JeanLaptop>
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> In a previous message, I brought up the topic of carrying a used poop bag while on route to or searching for a garbage can. For those of us with dogs that poop on route, this might be a topic of interest. If I am close to people, I don?t like the waft of poop smell that escapes from the bag, scented or not. It?s not always nice to be swinging said bag from one?s hand as a kind of trophy. lol. 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I mentioned the Turdle Bag, but it seems that it is no longer available. There was also one called a PooVault, but it, too, seems not to be available anymore. I came across the Dicky Bag, that is available. Although quite expensive, it sounds good. I don?t know how the clips for attaching it to a belt or backpack or leash or harness work. If anyone can share eyes on this or has experience with this product, I?d love to know more. 
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to the company website, and also to a link on Amazon.ca. It is available in the US as well. It?s made in the UK. 
> 
> 
> 
> Dicky Bag
> 
> 
> 
> Manufacturer website:
> 
> http://www.dickybag.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Sold on Amazon: 
> 
> https://www.amazon.ca/Dicky-Bag-Flower-Medium-Blue/dp/B008BH890M
> 
> 
> 
> Price: CDN$ 87.11 CDN 
> 
> 
> 
> Product description 
> 
> 
> 
> The Dicky Bag is a tough, clever, useful little device invented by award winning Mumprenuer Mandy Davies. Designed, manufactured and engineered in Cornwall and tested by her dogs. Revolutionising the dog walk by making dog walking a pleasure again. Whether you?re using it to store your phone, wallet, keys, ball, leads or the original idea POOP you can enjoy your walk hands free, easily safely and odourlessly. Because Mandy is a hardened dog-walker as well as a fiendishly cunning designer, she knows exactly what you need from a bag to carry dog poop in. You need it to be practical, soft and tough, so it's made out of light and robust genuine 4mm neoprene, leak proof and machine washable. You want plenty of room inside, so there's a Pocket for several of your type of fresh bags and we sell a hand sanitiser that fits medium, large and extra large Dicky Bags too. It also needs to have hands-free operation, so there's a universal clip that attaches to you, your dog harness, lead, rucksa 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:22:50 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The full baggy blues (was RE:  distracted
> 	relieving)
> Message-ID: <E14F980B-DE97-43AD-8F0A-D06DEB614537 at gmail.com>
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> 
> Cindy Lou Ray
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Miranda via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Someone recommended Turdle Bag to me, and I love them. I don?t have the website offhand, but you can always Google it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Jean Menzies via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tracy,
>>> 
>>> I love it and can relate. The island that I live on has absolutely no public garbage cans, and I have to carry the prize home to discard it. Well, we have no businesses either, so that makes sense and is okay. I do have several places where I can covertly stash a bag if I am on my way to catch the ferry to go to town. Hey, I don't want to be holding a smelly poop bag in my hand on a crowded passenger-only ferry. lol. I then pick up the bag from its hiding place on my way home and put it in our home garbage.
>>> 
>>> In town, I know of a few garbage cans, but I wish I knew more. I know they're there, but where. Ug. I think I need a song too. I'll have to think on that. But I do have a fridge magnet that says "Poop happens: Just pick it up and move on." One of the letter "o"s looks like a pile of poop.
>>> 
>>> Seriously, for those times that you have to cary a poop bag in close proximity to others, have you found a way of doing it that masks the smell a bit? I have heard of a carry bag called a Turdle bag, but I don't know how well it works and if it is more hassle than its worth.
>>> 
>>> Jean and Boomer
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:54 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] The full baggy blues (was RE: distracted relieving)
>>> 
>>> These are the words to my little blues song.  Like many blues songs, it's pretty simple.
>>> Well, I'm walking 'round Manhattan
>>> With a poop bag in my hand.
>>> Yeah I'm walking 'round Manhattan
>>> With a full bag in my hand.
>>> You know I've looked on every corner
>>> And I can't find a garbage can.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That's it.  It's annoying in Manhattan, where there are really lots of trash cans.  It's almost impossible to find a public trashcan in the town where I live.  I can only think of 3, and they're well-spaced.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janell via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:37 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
>>> 
>>> Alright Tracey,
>>> 
>>> Please tell us what the words to your song are?  ?
>>> 
>>> I was just on vacation in Florida and Rosy went 5 times in one day.  I am sure it was partly due to the stress of traveling and being in a strange place, but I found myself carrying around those lovely poop bags most of my trip!
>>> 
>>> -Janell and miss poops a lot!  ?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:55 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
>>> 
>>> Hi Jean.
>>> I feel your pain.  Krokus does the same trick.  Just out of curiosity, is your dog from TSE?  I begin to think pooping on route is a TSE feature, though I know dogs from other schools sometimes do, too.
>>> 
>>> I take him to relieve in front of my house, mostly.  I let him walk around along the whole strip of grass and street in the front, about 60 feet. Often, enough walking up and down will stimulate him to go.  For some reason, he is more likely to poop when my husband takes him than when I do. Maybe my husband is more patient.
>>> I've also found that attaching the relieving belt and the bag can stimulate him to go, too.  Maybe it bugs him, and he wants to get it off?
>>> At work, I walk him a block or so to a good spot, put on his bag, then let him sniff and spin until I get a result.  He used to get distracted by all the action around, but now he just needs some encouraging "park time"'s from me, and he does his thing.
>>> 
>>> If none of that works, and he starts stopping on route and saying he has to go, I try to keep him moving to a spot we've used before, just so he doesn't start thinking he can stop anywhere.  Of course, then every time we pass that spot, he thinks it's time to stop and have a sniff and a pee, so I really try to get him to go before we go.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.  For me, relieving on route is very aggravating.  I've even made up a little blues song about walking around with a full baggy, trying to find a trash can.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 6:01 PM
>>> To: NAGDU
>>> Cc: Jean Menzies
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] distracted relieving
>>> 
>>> I know there is no real answer for this other than probably likely time and possibly maturity, but here goes.
>>> 
>>> I have a new pup. I take him out for park time, and he always pees. I give him lots of time and encouragement for a poop, but often there is nothing. Then we harness up and head out, only to have him often poop in the first 200 or 300 yards of our route. His signs of needing to go on route are clear. He walks very, very slowly, stops, won?t go, pulls into the grass, etc. If I force it and try and ignore his needing to go and try to get home so that he can park at home, he will poop on the road in harness. If I take his harness off and let him go to the edge of the road, he often gets distracted by the grass and brush on the edges and starts eating crap instead of doing what he so urgently indicated he had to do.
>>> 
>>> Factors:
>>> 1 He is new.
>>> 2 He has never had a yard before, and gets distracted by the grass and new smells, so parking at home might be just distracting on its own.
>>> 3 We are walking on gravel roads with grass or brush along the edges. If I let him stop along the way, he gets fixated on eating crap and won?t necessarily poop. Again, all this new stuff is just amazing to eat.
>>> 
>>> I really praise him when he poops at home especially prior to a walk. I sometimes even  offer up a treat reward for a home poop.
>>> 
>>> So, any ideas on how to further encourage that poop prior to heading out? I give him lots of time and encouragement to move about. I don?t want  pooping on route to become the norm.
>>> 
>>> What are people?s reactions to this kind of situation? Obviously, it is frustrating. But do you just accept that poop happens and if he has to go, he has to go, or do you fall into another camp and try to fix this behaviour?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any input.
>>> 
>>> Jean and Boomer
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.comTracy, the Poop Bag Blues is cute. LOL.
> Miranda, what is so great about Turdle bags. Let?s face it, poop being what it is, it seems like a liability to carry it around like that.
> I have stashed poop before and gone back to get it after, say, going to the bank. It works, but what a pain. And I am convinced garbage cans just take a hike.
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:00:45 -0700
> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU" <NAGDU at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Carrying used poop bags
> Message-ID: <03A48075DC394B5BBA6028E6F4EA08EF at JeanLaptop>
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> 
> Here is a better link for the manufacturer of the Dicky Bag. They do say 
> they sell internationally. Other products here as well.
> 
> https://www.ducksoup.co/
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jean Menzies via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 11:32 AM
> To: NAGDU
> Cc: Jean Menzies
> Subject: [NAGDU] Carrying used poop bags
> 
> In a previous message, I brought up the topic of carrying a used poop bag 
> while on route to or searching for a garbage can. For those of us with dogs 
> that poop on route, this might be a topic of interest. If I am close to 
> people, I don?t like the waft of poop smell that escapes from the bag, 
> scented or not. It?s not always nice to be swinging said bag from one?s hand 
> as a kind of trophy. lol.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I mentioned the Turdle Bag, but it seems that it is no longer 
> available. There was also one called a PooVault, but it, too, seems not to 
> be available anymore. I came across the Dicky Bag, that is available. 
> Although quite expensive, it sounds good. I don?t know how the clips for 
> attaching it to a belt or backpack or leash or harness work. If anyone can 
> share eyes on this or has experience with this product, I?d love to know 
> more.
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to the company website, and also to a link on Amazon.ca. It 
> is available in the US as well. It?s made in the UK.
> 
> 
> 
> Dicky Bag
> 
> 
> 
> Manufacturer website:
> 
> http://www.dickybag.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Sold on Amazon:
> 
> https://www.amazon.ca/Dicky-Bag-Flower-Medium-Blue/dp/B008BH890M
> 
> 
> 
> Price: CDN$ 87.11 CDN
> 
> 
> 
> Product description
> 
> 
> 
> The Dicky Bag is a tough, clever, useful little device invented by award 
> winning Mumprenuer Mandy Davies. Designed, manufactured and engineered in 
> Cornwall and tested by her dogs. Revolutionising the dog walk by making dog 
> walking a pleasure again. Whether you?re using it to store your phone, 
> wallet, keys, ball, leads or the original idea POOP you can enjoy your walk 
> hands free, easily safely and odourlessly. Because Mandy is a hardened 
> dog-walker as well as a fiendishly cunning designer, she knows exactly what 
> you need from a bag to carry dog poop in. You need it to be practical, soft 
> and tough, so it's made out of light and robust genuine 4mm neoprene, leak 
> proof and machine washable. You want plenty of room inside, so there's a 
> Pocket for several of your type of fresh bags and we sell a hand sanitiser 
> that fits medium, large and extra large Dicky Bags too. It also needs to 
> have hands-free operation, so there's a universal clip that attaches to you, 
> your dog harness, lead, rucksa
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:32:09 -0700
> From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Carrying used poop bags
> Message-ID: <81905D3F18AD4464B0D049C2A6564B42 at JeanLaptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
> 	reply-type=response
> 
> I just ordered two medium-sized Dicky Bags. One for me, and one for my 
> husband who walks my retired dog.
> 
> Jean
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jean Menzies via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:00 PM
> To: NAGDU
> Cc: Jean Menzies
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Carrying used poop bags
> 
> Here is a better link for the manufacturer of the Dicky Bag. They do say
> they sell internationally. Other products here as well.
> 
> https://www.ducksoup.co/
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jean Menzies via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 11:32 AM
> To: NAGDU
> Cc: Jean Menzies
> Subject: [NAGDU] Carrying used poop bags
> 
> In a previous message, I brought up the topic of carrying a used poop bag
> while on route to or searching for a garbage can. For those of us with dogs
> that poop on route, this might be a topic of interest. If I am close to
> people, I don?t like the waft of poop smell that escapes from the bag,
> scented or not. It?s not always nice to be swinging said bag from one?s hand
> as a kind of trophy. lol.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I mentioned the Turdle Bag, but it seems that it is no longer
> available. There was also one called a PooVault, but it, too, seems not to
> be available anymore. I came across the Dicky Bag, that is available.
> Although quite expensive, it sounds good. I don?t know how the clips for
> attaching it to a belt or backpack or leash or harness work. If anyone can
> share eyes on this or has experience with this product, I?d love to know
> more.
> 
> 
> 
> Here is a link to the company website, and also to a link on Amazon.ca. It
> is available in the US as well. It?s made in the UK.
> 
> 
> 
> Dicky Bag
> 
> 
> 
> Manufacturer website:
> 
> http://www.dickybag.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Sold on Amazon:
> 
> https://www.amazon.ca/Dicky-Bag-Flower-Medium-Blue/dp/B008BH890M
> 
> 
> 
> Price: CDN$ 87.11 CDN
> 
> 
> 
> Product description
> 
> 
> 
> The Dicky Bag is a tough, clever, useful little device invented by award
> winning Mumprenuer Mandy Davies. Designed, manufactured and engineered in
> Cornwall and tested by her dogs. Revolutionising the dog walk by making dog
> walking a pleasure again. Whether you?re using it to store your phone,
> wallet, keys, ball, leads or the original idea POOP you can enjoy your walk
> hands free, easily safely and odourlessly. Because Mandy is a hardened
> dog-walker as well as a fiendishly cunning designer, she knows exactly what
> you need from a bag to carry dog poop in. You need it to be practical, soft
> and tough, so it's made out of light and robust genuine 4mm neoprene, leak
> proof and machine washable. You want plenty of room inside, so there's a
> Pocket for several of your type of fresh bags and we sell a hand sanitiser
> that fits medium, large and extra large Dicky Bags too. It also needs to
> have hands-free operation, so there's a universal clip that attaches to you,
> your dog harness, lead, rucksa
> 
> 
> 
> 
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