[NAGDU] NAGDU guide dog schools

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Sat Oct 5 14:58:29 UTC 2019 

Gretchen, I am impressed with the research you did. It never occurred to me
to do that, but I always knew where I wanted to go.
Cindy Lou Ray
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU guide dog schools

I applied to two different schools and read the book, A Guide to Guide Dog
Schools, which is available on NLS BARD and Bookshare.org. It is a bit
outdated, and does not include some of the newer schools like Occupaws and
Guide Dogs of Texas. I also read Handbook for Perspective Guide Dog Users by
Guide Dog Users Inc. I made a list of all the guide dog schools by using
assistance  Dogs International website adi.org, which lists their member
organizations, NFB's resource list of guide dog schools, and American
Foundation for the blind afb.org database of guide dog schools. I went on
every website and read lots of personal accounts of guide dog experience.
Someone else already mentioned making a list of pros and cons, and then
also, make sure to figure out what is emportant. Once you think you have it
narrowed down, call or email the schools and ask anything you feel you need
to know. Sometimes, the schools have their lectures online, and sometimes
they have things like tours of the campus, or detailed explanations of the
training program and training schedule. Also, almost all of the schools have
an email list you can join that will tell you about the school and their
philosophy. I am only on my first dog for three months now, so I can't give
you much of my personal experience with training at other schools. Hope this
helps Gretchen and guide dog Beacon Grace.

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> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 20:08:05 -0600
> From: Emily Brown <emilyboudwin at gmail.com>
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> What guide dog school would you recommend and why?
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> GDB and GDF are the two I would recommend.  They use positive training 
> methods and seem to attract the best instructors.  GDA is also good 
> but has three week classes instead of two and does not have classes 
> June through August if I recall correctly.
> Jordan
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> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:34:12 -0400
> From: Rachel straneva <ralab at roadrunner.com>
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> Hi,
> Well this is a really personal decision that I recommend you do 
> research on all of the guard dog programs available. Just because a 
> school is close or you know people who have gone there doesn?t mean 
> that that particular program is right for you. Everybody?s needs/wants 
> are different. Not only should you ask the same questions to each 
> potential program you?re interested in but I personally made a pro con 
> list with my needs/wants. You need to decide which things are 
> important to you like breed complete ownership right away the length 
> of the training that will help. Those are some examples of things that you
need to decide what?s important to you.
> That financial help is another thing that you need to decide whether 
> you want or need or if that?s not a major priority for you. Personally 
> for me The Seeing Eye in Morristown New Jersey was the right program 
> for me. It had a longer class 3 1/2 weeks for first-time handlers 2 
> 1/2 weeks for retrains excellent training as that hasn?t really 
> changed much from when they began
> 90 years ago in 1929. The fact that they do a traffic check only a 
> couple of days into training one of the only schools that do that very 
> early I believe it is the only school that does it that early. I 
> didn?t have a breed preference. Complete ownership was important to me 
> so the small fee $$150 for your first dog $50 for each successor was 
> reasonable since that hasn?t changed in 90 years. They do require that 
> you have excellent cane /Travel skills that they will evaluate when 
> they come to do a home interview in person. Veterinary financial help 
> wasn?t as much of a priority to me as complete ownership right away so 
> it doesn?t bother me that I have to financially be 100% responsible 
> for that myself. I also love their graduate follow-up services I?ve 
> always had help either over the phone or a trainer come out to work 
> with me depending on what I might need help with later on in our 
> partnership. Those are some of the reasons why that particular program 
> is what I have chosen I personally wouldn?t go anywhere else since they
fit my needs/wants perfectly. As I said I did my own research though.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 10:08 pm, Emily Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:11:56 -0500
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Rachel makes good points. It is OK to learn what people would 
> recommend, but we come with our biases. So you need to do the research.
> The fee at The Seeing Eye is pay it in as small amounts as you need 
> to, or at least it always was. For me, the immediate ownership, 
> especially since they have the vet facility, the opportunity to go for 
> the dog's last check before taking him home, and the instruction is 
> really very good. Their home visits are quite productive usually, and 
> I appreciated the follow up training I have had.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:34 PM
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> Cc: Rachel straneva <ralab at roadrunner.com>; Emily Brown 
> <emilyboudwin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools
>
> Hi,
> Well this is a really personal decision that I recommend you do 
> research on all of the guard dog programs available. Just because a 
> school is close or you know people who have gone there doesn?t mean 
> that that particular program is right for you. Everybody?s needs/wants 
> are different. Not only should you ask the same questions to each 
> potential program you?re interested in but I personally made a pro con 
> list with my needs/wants. You need to decide which things are 
> important to you like breed complete ownership right away the length 
> of the training that will help. Those are some examples of things that you
need to decide what?s important to you.
> That financial help is another thing that you need to decide whether 
> you want or need or if that?s not a major priority for you. Personally 
> for me The Seeing Eye in Morristown New Jersey was the right program 
> for me. It had a longer class 3 1/2 weeks for first-time handlers 2 
> 1/2 weeks for retrains excellent training as that hasn?t really 
> changed much from when they began
> 90 years ago in 1929. The fact that they do a traffic check only a 
> couple of days into training one of the only schools that do that very 
> early I believe it is the only school that does it that early. I 
> didn?t have a breed preference. Complete ownership was important to me 
> so the small fee $$150 for your first dog $50 for each successor was 
> reasonable since that hasn?t changed in 90 years. They do require that 
> you have excellent cane /Travel skills that they will evaluate when 
> they come to do a home interview in person. Veterinary financial help 
> wasn?t as much of a priority to me as complete ownership right away so 
> it doesn?t bother me that I have to financially be 100% responsible 
> for that myself. I also love their graduate follow-up services I?ve 
> always had help either over the phone or a trainer come out to work 
> with me depending on what I might need help with later on in our 
> partnership. Those are some of the reasons why that particular program 
> is what I have chosen I personally wouldn?t go anywhere else since they
fit my needs/wants perfectly. As I said I did my own research though.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 10:08 pm, Emily Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 23:25:17 -0400
> From: Rachel straneva <ralab at roadrunner.com>
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> Hi,
> Yes they still will let you pay in instalments if that is something 
> that you need. They?ve never turned anybody away for an inability to 
> pay the entire amount upfront. They will work with you on a payment 
> plan. Everything Cindy said is correct. Yes you still go to the vet 
> before you go home for a last check up.  I?m happy to discuss the 
> training programs andSeeing Eye with anyone interested in that school 
> off this list. My dog is starting to slow down so in anticipation for 
> her retirement in a couple of years I?ve already started my re-train 
> application I?ve been so happy with their training that I never 
> considered switching schools since the training I received has been
nothing but excellent.
> Rachel & Fancy,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 11:11 pm, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Rachel makes good points. It is OK to learn what people would 
>> recommend, but we come with our biases. So you need to do the research.
>> The fee at The Seeing Eye is pay it in as small amounts as you need 
>> to, or at least it always was. For me, the immediate ownership, 
>> especially since they have the vet facility, the opportunity to go 
>> for the dog's last check before taking him home, and the instruction 
>> is really very good. Their home visits are quite productive usually, 
>> and I appreciated the follow up training I have had.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rachel straneva 
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:34 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Rachel straneva <ralab at roadrunner.com>; Emily Brown 
>> <emilyboudwin at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools
>>
>> Hi,
>> Well this is a really personal decision that I recommend you do 
>> research on all of the guard dog programs available. Just because a 
>> school is close or you know people who have gone there doesn?t mean 
>> that that particular program is right for you. Everybody?s 
>> needs/wants are different. Not only should you ask the same questions 
>> to each potential program you?re interested in but I personally made a
pro con list with my needs/wants.
>> You need to decide which things are important to you like breed 
>> complete ownership right away the length of the training that will 
>> help. Those are some examples of things that you need to decide what?s
important to you.
>> That financial help is another thing that you need to decide whether 
>> you want or need or if that?s not a major priority for you. 
>> Personally for me The Seeing Eye in Morristown New Jersey was the 
>> right program for me. It had a longer class 3 1/2 weeks for 
>> first-time handlers 2 1/2 weeks for retrains excellent training as 
>> that hasn?t really changed much from when they began 90 years ago in 
>> 1929. The fact that they do a traffic check only a couple of days 
>> into training one of the only schools that do that very early I 
>> believe it is the only school that does it that early. I didn?t have 
>> a breed preference. Complete ownership was important to me so the 
>> small fee $$150 for your first dog $50 for each successor was 
>> reasonable since that hasn?t changed in 90 years. They do require 
>> that you have excellent cane /Travel skills that they will evaluate 
>> when they come to do a home interview in person. Veterinary financial 
>> help wasn?t as much of a priority to me as complete ownership right 
>> away so it doesn?t bother me that I have to financially be 100% 
>> responsible for that myself. I also love their graduate follow-up 
>> services I?ve always had help either over the phone or a trainer come 
>> out to work with me depending on what I might need help with later on 
>> in our partnership. Those are some of the reasons why that particular 
>> program is what I have chosen I personally wouldn?t go anywhere else
since they fit my needs/wants perfectly. As I said I did my own research
though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 3 Oct 2019, at 10:08 pm, Emily Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 10:50:53 +0000
> From: "Newton, Cherie" <cnewton at itsmarta.com>
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> I'd recommend The Seeing Eye. I got my 4th guide from there this past 
> May-it was my first from TSE. While I was waiting I kept being told by 
> TSE staff to get the full TSE experience I needed to come there to 
> class. I first thought it was some sort of an advertising ploy, but 
> once I was there and had my dog for a few days I realized what they'd 
> been saying was true. I was extremely impressed with the level of care 
> and detail the instructors put into matching me with my wonderful 
> partner and the unparalleled training I received.
>
> Having the large class split up with 4 students per instructor who 
> stayed with us the entire time created an atmosphere of closeness and 
> comradery I don't think I've ever experienced before. My team grew 
> very close and we supported each other the entire time-celebrating 
> victories, giving encouragement and support during down times and just 
> generally being there for each other. Our instructor Ryan was top of 
> the line! In fact every instructor in our class was excellent!
>
> You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cherie Newton & German Shepherd Guide Astrid
>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 07:12:40 -0400
> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "Newton, Cherie via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools
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> all schools go through stages and? so on I'd recommend talking to the 
> various schools and seeing who talks to you with respect and takes 
> what you say seriously and their responses and so on. You never really 
> know that much about how they'll treat you until youapply. Also talk 
> to grads which of course, by writing to this list youa re 
> doing...smile.? Problem is we all have our opinions based on our 
> experiences, I've met people who will love one school and then on the 
> same day talk to someone who hates it.
>
>
> I think the guide dog movement is in a transitional stage and I'm not 
> sure whom to recommend, the use of treats and clickers and what would 
> seem to me a change in training and so on leads me to wonder how 
> things will b e in a few years, by the way, not saying either is bad, 
> just commenting.
>
> For example, though I have used treats for my own dogs for certain 
> things I do get the impression that nowadays quite? a? few of the 
> schools have you treat the doggies for just about everything, 
> something which I personally wouldnt' want to do if I were training
myself.
>
> None of this to bash anyone just saying gather your info, talk to 
> people,a nd talk to the schools you are interested in, I recommend 
> applying to a few, not just one.
>
> I really hope you kep us in the lloop about all of it, because 
> whenever i hear of someone starting out with a dog it reminds me of? 
> the emotions, excitement and all the stuff going on when I started out 
> low those 25 years ago.
>
> I'd say if I really had to, GDB, GDF, Pilot, Seeing Eye, Freedom, GDA 
> (guide dogs of america) I've heard of people also who have success and 
> are happy with GEB (guiding eyes).? but then again this is based on 
> things I'm looking for or hthings I've
>
>  ?heard, I put those in no particular order it wasn't a ranking--lol?
> also I know people who don't like any of those and like other 
> places--smile sorry to be confusing but I think you get my point.
>
>
> I will say that when I applied this time around, though I'm not going 
> to the Seeing Eye at present, that the Seeing Eye was very helpful, 
> respectful, and professional during the application process,? .
>
>
>
> Yours cordially,
>
>
> Dan W.
>
>
>
> On 10/4/2019 6:50 AM, Newton, Cherie via NAGDU wrote:
>> I'd recommend The Seeing Eye. I got my 4th guide from there this past 
>> May-it was my first from TSE. While I was waiting I kept being told 
>> by TSE staff to get the full TSE experience I needed to come there to 
>> class. I first thought it was some sort of an advertising ploy, but 
>> once I was there and had my dog for a few days I realized what they'd 
>> been saying was true. I was extremely impressed with the level of 
>> care and detail the instructors put into matching me with my 
>> wonderful partner and the unparalleled training I received.
>>
>> Having the large class split up with 4 students per instructor who 
>> stayed with us the entire time created an atmosphere of closeness and 
>> comradery I don't think I've ever experienced before. My team grew 
>> very close and we supported each other the entire time-celebrating 
>> victories, giving encouragement and support during down times and 
>> just generally being there for each other. Our instructor Ryan was 
>> top of the line! In fact every instructor in our class was excellent!
>>
>> You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Cherie Newton & German Shepherd Guide Astrid
>>
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