[NAGDU] Hands free leash

Tue Jan 28 21:20:45 UTC 2020

Hi everyone,

I have shared my own hand made custom hands free leash model, and anyone is of course welcome to the description and photos anytime.  But now that I see Julie Johnson is in this mix, I must enthusiastically recommend her for making one for you.

Unless you are just dying to do that kind of sewing business yourself, I would absolutely contact Julie.  She has quite the track record with me…Julie has done a miracle in making a custom harness handle setup, to fit my narrow sighthound who is a silken windbound, which no harness on earth that I could research would have fit.  

-Peter  

Connecting With the Wisdom of the Earth
Executive & individual coaching, consultation, and nature-based facilitation
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>   1. Re: hands free leashes (Julie Johnson)
>   2. Please - 2 PER PERSON NOT 2 PER FLIGHT! (David)
>   3. Re: hands free leashes (Sarah Calhoun)
>   4. Note for Gretchen Brown, about hands free leash (Peter Wolf)
>   5. Re: Note for Gretchen Brown, about hands free leash
>      (cindyray at gmail.com)
>   6. Re: Please - 2 PER PERSON NOT 2 PER FLIGHT!
>      (mike at michaelhingson.com)
>   7. Alaska airlines seating (Peter Wolf)
>   8. Re: Alaskans airlines seating (Bryan Gearry)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 06:44:58 -0600
> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
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> I am the Julie that people have mentioned in other messages. I can definitely make a hands free leash for you, in any style that suits you. I make all the leashes here and can customize however you like.
> 
> Many years ago, before I lost most of my vision, I worked as a nurse aide in a hospital. I didn?t have a dog then, but I?m not sure about having your dog in patient rooms. Have you talked to your employer yet? Also, when transferring patients, unexpected and potentially dangerous things happen. Sometimes a patient will get anxious and move suddenly or I had one lady who thought it was funny to randomly go limp and not support any of her own weight. I, Personally, would not want a dog attached to me in any way in case I needed to move quickly to support the patient. I wouldn?t want to trip on the dog. Of course, I don?t know your specific situation and it is very possible that none of this applies at all. I wish you all the best in Your new job!
> 
> Julie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 08:03:43 -0500
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> To: d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, d m gina
> 	<dmgina at mysero.net>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Please - 2 PER PERSON NOT 2 PER FLIGHT!
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> Cindy was wrong. The proposed permissible limit is 2 dogs per person, 
> not 2 per flight.
> 
> *David in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> *
> *
> On 1/24/2020 9:33 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>> Cindy,
>> What happens when we have conventions?
>> Each six have to go on different days?
>> Or a couple with their dogs and four couples/
>> Really not acceptable.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> message:
>>> I downloaded a .pdf file, too, but it doesn't seem to be the whole 
>>> thing.
>>> OK, so here's the deal.
>>> 1) Completion of the form.
>>> 2)Health records
>>> 3) Certification that your dog has been trained and that from a training
>>> program.
>>> 4) Arriving early so that your dog can be observed.
>>> 5) The airline can limit the number of service animals, which if it 
>>> is dogs,
>>> should be called "Service Dogs", and not "Service animals", to two on a
>>> flight,.
>>> 6) Guide horses should be included.
>>> I realize that there have been some issues, but people using service 
>>> dogs
>>> legitimately should not be punished for what people who can't be without
>>> their pets do.
>>> I am not certain you can send it to the list. You could try or you could
>>> send it to me.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
>>> Campbell via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:10 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>> Hello cindy, I was able to download the PDF of the nprm. Can I send 
>>> it as an
>>> attachment to this list? Also, it looks like over 600 comments were
>>> submitted thus far. There are links on the site to tweet or post on 
>>> social
>>> media. I've only read a few paragraphs, but the two things that stand 
>>> out so
>>> far to me are that the DOT wants to classify emotional support 
>>> animals as
>>> pets and that anyone with a disability must complete a form attesting 
>>> to the
>>> good health of their dogs. I thought we were successful in stopping this
>>> practice with the airlines.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:05 PM Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed
>>>> how they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it
>>>> cannot handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally
>>>> get it to show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket
>>>> number it would not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>>> Jordan
>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 10:51:12 -0600
> From: "Sarah Calhoun" <sc-tico at att.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
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> Hello all,
> 
> This thread regarding hands free leashes is very interesting. I didn't know
> about this type of leashes and enjoy learning a new trick! Thank you all for
> sharing the information!
> 
> Best,
> Sarah &
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rox Homstad via NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 10:10 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Rox Homstad <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
> 
> Hello,
> There are two types of hands free leashes that are most frequently used. One
> style wraps around your waist, and attaches to the dog.  You see these types
> in stores for dogs who do urban mushing or other sports like Canicross.
> Most service dog hands free leashes to over the shoulder and cross the body,
> like a messenger bag.  So if the dog works on the left, the leash goes over
> your right shoulder, diagonal across your body to clip on the dogs collar on
> your left.   
> I am Deaf and use ASL for communication so I find that if I'm going to be
> speaking a lot or having interpreters with me while we walk and they need to
> communicate I will use a cross body leash.  
> I believe Julie Johnson from on the go sells both styles in nylon.  You can
> get one in leather from either activedogs or bridgeport equipment if thats
> more your style.
> 
> 
> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting 
>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as 
>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown, 
>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume 
>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want 
>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have 
>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and 
>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting 
>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since 
>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a 
>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes, 
>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her 
>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 10:56:30 -0800
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Note for Gretchen Brown, about hands free leash
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> Hi Gretchen, 
> 
> I didn?t catch an email address in your last request for info on hands free leashes.  I already took up some space on the list sharing the model I have custom made that works perfectly for Metukah and me, so if you?d like my descriptions (and photos if you or someone would find them useful) just write me an I?ll be happy to send it all to you.  Also, same offer stands for anyone who might find an easy to make custom hands free leash useful.  Just ping me.  
> 
> Best,
> Peter
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2020, at 4:00 AM, nagdu-request at nfbnet.org wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>  1. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (sunshine)
>>  2. Re: factors considered when matching a guide dog (Tracy Carcione)
>>  3. hands free leashes (Gretchen Brown)
>>  4. Re: factors considered when matching a guide dog (Rox Homstad)
>>  5. Re: hands free leashes (Rox Homstad)
>>  6. Re: hands free leashes (Tracy Carcione)
>>  7. Re: factors considered when matching a guide dog (Tracy Carcione)
>>  8. Re: hands free leashes (Danielle Sykora)
>>  9. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (d m gina)
>> 10. Re: hands free leashes (d m gina)
>> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:16:24 -0600
>> From: sunshine <halogirl817 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <0FC0A709-795F-4297-BE97-D638256EE748 at gmail.com>
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>> In reading the material, it is my point of you that each individual could have two dogs. I did not have the impression that only two people on the plane could have dogs. I have been on the plane with three other people going to the Seeing Eye in the past. Secondly I believe that we are asked to be there one hour earlier than the other travelers. Which means that if we are to be there an hour and a half Early, then we, who have guide dogs must be there 2 1/2 hours early. That doesn?t seem reasonable to me. There are several things that I don?t like about this particular documentation. I believe that we would be spending a lot more money filling out forms with our vets as I know when I did a couple of years ago the cost was pretty high.
>> 
>> Sunshine
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone XR
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:39 PM, melissa R. Green via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hmm, the service animal number on flights is a concern. It isn't very
>>> clear. Do they mean, per each individual or as a whole group. If it is
>>> about each individuals then I am okay with it. But not if there has to be
>>> only two on a plane. That can cost lots of problems with conventions, or
>>> me and two other people having a service animal. I am concerned about the
>>> checking in early, and all of the forms. I was able to upload a notice and
>>> a record from my vet with Delta.
>>> I will be paying attention to these new rules and their development.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 8:38 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> Hi, Danielle,
>>> I like what  you have said here. These are all valid points. However, I do
>>> take exception to one of them and wonder why you like this:
>>> * restricting the number of service animals to two Why do you think this
>>> is valid? Most often it wouldn't be an issue one way or another, but let's
>>> say an NFB or ACB Convention ends and a lot of people are getting on the
>>> same plane. This was truly something to consider in Orlando when a huge
>>> number of folks were flying to Atlanta to make connections. There could
>>> easily be many more dogs on the flights than two.
>>> So would you want us to have to state that we have a dog, which of course
>>> is probably not an issue anyway if these rules were passed? How would they
>>> decide who would get to go on the flight? Would it be a lottery? I realize
>>> this doesn't happen a lot, but I know there are certainly instances when
>>> it could. The Washington Seminar comes to mind.
>>> Thanks for your help on this. I really do like what you have written.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:15 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> Here is what I wrote on another discussion about this. I intend to polish
>>> this and post an official comment soon.
>>> 
>>> Things I like
>>> * No longer allowing ESAs (though I wouldn't be entirely opposed to
>>> exploring regulating them separately and more strictly)
>>> * Restricting service animals to dogs (though allowing miniature horses as
>>> an exception on a case-by-case basis like in the ADA could be explored)
>>> * classifying psychiatric service dogs as service dogs (which they are),
>>> not lumping them together with ESAs
>>> * restricting the number of service animals to two
>>> 
>>> things I don't like
>>> * Having to check in an hour early. If this is in addition to the normal
>>> time, this would mean checking in three hours early for domestic flights
>>> and four hours early for international. That's forcing the service animal
>>> to go an extra hour without relieving, and they are already having to go a
>>> long time in some cases.
>>> * Providing attestations of behavior. If someone wants to pretend their
>>> pet is an SD, what is stopping them from simply lying on the form? There
>>> aren't any consequences for doing so. Having the form filled out by a
>>> third party will never be reliable, because who is a reliable third party?
>>> Vets may know nothing about training and behavior, and there isn't any
>>> requirement for dog trainers to be licenced. Owner trainers can't just
>>> show a program issued ID card, and some service dog programs (yes even ADI
>>> certified ones) produce some truly terrible dogs.
>>> * Providing health records from a veterinarian. Getting an annual report
>>> filled out would not tell you all that much about the dog. A dog could be
>>> free of parasites today, but not next week. Anything that must be filled
>>> out more often than annually would force handlers to pay an unnecessary
>>> fee for an office visit at minimum. I'm also concerned that airlines will
>>> start forcing people to give their dogs elective vaccinations. For
>>> example, bordetella is optional and some owners and vets will titer for
>>> distemper, but what if an airline decides these are now required?
>>> * Size restrictions. If the dog is sprawled across the isle or taking up
>>> the entire row, of course this is a problem. The most common breeds of
>>> service dogs are Labs and Goldens though, so restricting large dogs would
>>> have a huge impact on service dog handlers Essentially, that would
>>> restrict most guide and mobility dogs. Learning how to tuck under seats is
>>> part of public access training. I've seen 90 lb dogs that curl up tightly,
>>> and 30 lb dogs that are allowed to stretch out in the isle.
>>> * The assertion that employees should have no responsibilities at all.
>>> If animals are not removed from airports for poor behavior, literally
>>> nothing will solve the problem--no amount of paperwork will ever be the
>>> same as proper training. I've seen countless horrifically behaved dogs in
>>> public with multiple employees witnessing their behavior, but nothing is
>>> ever done.
>>> If an employee ignores a dog lunging an growling at a person in the
>>> airport and that dog proceeds to bite a flight attendant an hour later,
>>> that employee is partially responsible.
>>> 
>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for proof of rabies, because this
>>> is a requirement for all dogs. It is also the only significant disease
>>> that would be directly transferred from dog to human that is vaccinated
>>> against.
>>> I wish this could be provided in a way that didn't require advanced notice
>>> or additional burdens. Perhaps anyone traveling with a dog would be
>>> required to show a rabies certificate before going through the security
>>> checkpoint or something.
>>> 
>>> Danielle
>>> 
>>>> On 1/23/20, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> It was the year before as I recall. And another thing. (Tracy, this 
>>>> isn't about you.) I don't think any of us should ever write to this 
>>>> list and say "What is NAGDU going to do about this? Whether we are 
>>>> members of NAGDU or not, it is up to all of us to "do something about 
>>>> it." DGUI, NAGDU, and everybody who uses a dog or doesn't needs to do 
>>>> something about it. I don't want to see people posting to this list 
>>>> "What is NAGDU going to do about it." If we are in NAGDU we will want 
>>>> to support what NAGDU does; if we are not, we want to support what 
>>>> NAGDU does because it will make a difference to all of us in the end.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via 
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:59 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service 
>>>> animals on airplanes
>>>> 
>>>> Really?  I thought we got done with this documentation and early 
>>>> check-in nonsense last year, or was it the year before.  The fight 
>>>> never
>>> ends.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> judotina48kg--- via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:39 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service 
>>>> animals on airplanes
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone- I have pasted the DOT proposed regulations below my 
>>>> signature.
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Thomas -President-CAGDU-NFBCA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protectio
>>>> n/noti ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments 
>>>> to Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced 
>>>> that it is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air 
>>>> Carrier Access Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service
>>> animals by air.
>>>> 
>>>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with 
>>>> Service Animals can be found HERE and provides the public with 60 days 
>>>> to comment on the proposed changes.
>>>> 
>>>> Today's NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air 
>>>> transportation system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals 
>>>> with disabilities, airlines, flight attendants, airports, other 
>>>> aviation transportation stakeholders, and other members of the public, 
>>>> regarding service animals on aircraft. The Department recognizes the 
>>>> integral role that service animals play in the lives of many 
>>>> individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure that individuals 
>>>> with disabilities can continue using their service animals while also 
>>>> reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with their 
>>>> pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service
>>> animals.
>>>> 
>>>> The NPRM proposes to:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to
>>> do
>>>> work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>>>> 
>>>> *       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service
>>>> animal;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and
>>>> require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals 
>>>> as other service animals;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a
>>>> service animal's good behavior, certifying the service animal's good 
>>>> health, and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal 
>>>> has the ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in 
>>>> a sanitary manner;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are
>>>> traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour 
>>>> prior to the travel time required for the general public to ensure 
>>>> sufficient time to process the service animal documentation and 
>>>> observe the animal;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service
>>>> animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling
>>>> with
>>>> a single passenger with a disability to two service animals *
>>> Allow
>>>> airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler's foot 
>>>> space on the aircraft;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be
>>>> harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its 
>>>> handler;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service
>>>> animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat 
>>>> to the health or safety of others; and
>>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a
>>> service
>>>> animal solely on the basis of breed.
>>>> 
>>>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the 
>>>> notice is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov, docket 
>>>> number DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:39:33 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <002e01d5d2cc$7a380270$6ea80750$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hi Madison.
>> That was interesting, though I wonder what they mean by saying part of their
>> matching is assessment of the dog's reliability with steps and overhead
>> obstacles.  Do they say "Well, this guy can see a bit, so it's OK if the dog
>> drags him down some steps or smashes his head into something."?  NOT!
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:14 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Madison Martin
>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that I
>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors they
>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to the
>> article:
>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the article:
>> 
>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>> 
>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>> 
>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog or
>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>> someone who is blind?
>> 
>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger person.
>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>> its weight to its advantage.
>> 
>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog. The
>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>> 
>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for guiding
>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an uneven
>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are compatible.
>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>> control issues and be ineffective.
>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic or
>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>> 
>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect the
>> wait time for receiving a match.
>> 
>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog Mobility
>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>> 
>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus that's
>> all. Thanks 
>> Madison
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:42:26 -0600
>> From: Gretchen Brown <gretch99brown at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAPvGaBrV0_A1_QY82HbyZuxqYvL8hiSyqAL3fd93zCdeUsFujw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:05:04 -0600
>> From: Rox Homstad <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <B9E8DE0C-566A-4FB3-B40B-C654F7BE6C20 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> I interpreted that as how firm is the dog about making sure you are ok before going down steps. For example some dogs will show you the step and you can say forward and they will immediately set off. Where as other dogs are slower and more cautious. My dogs won't go down steps until I am holding the rail, if I am not holding the rail they won't go no matter how many times I tell them to go.  They will also only go one step at a time and will wait until I'm balanced to do the next one, where as some dogs just step one after the other without stopping.
>> Just my thoughts though and I could be wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Madison.
>>> That was interesting, though I wonder what they mean by saying part of their
>>> matching is assessment of the dog's reliability with steps and overhead
>>> obstacles.  Do they say "Well, this guy can see a bit, so it's OK if the dog
>>> drags him down some steps or smashes his head into something."?  NOT!
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:14 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Madison Martin
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that I
>>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors they
>>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to the
>>> article:
>>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the article:
>>> 
>>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>>> 
>>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>>> 
>>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog or
>>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>>> someone who is blind?
>>> 
>>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger person.
>>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>>> its weight to its advantage.
>>> 
>>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog. The
>>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>>> 
>>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for guiding
>>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an uneven
>>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are compatible.
>>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>>> control issues and be ineffective.
>>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic or
>>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>>> 
>>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect the
>>> wait time for receiving a match.
>>> 
>>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog Mobility
>>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus that's
>>> all. Thanks 
>>> Madison
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:09:33 -0600
>> From: Rox Homstad <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <6D98B791-FA8B-4BAE-8699-FE039E9BE26E at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hello,
>> There are two types of hands free leashes that are most frequently used. One style wraps around your waist, and attaches to the dog.  You see these types in stores for dogs who do urban mushing or other sports like Canicross.  Most service dog hands free leashes to over the shoulder and cross the body, like a messenger bag.  So if the dog works on the left, the leash goes over your right shoulder, diagonal across your body to clip on the dogs collar on your left.   
>> I am Deaf and use ASL for communication so I find that if I'm going to be speaking a lot or having interpreters with me while we walk and they need to communicate I will use a cross body leash.  
>> I believe Julie Johnson from on the go sells both styles in nylon.  You can get one in leather from either activedogs or bridgeport equipment if thats more your style.
>> 
>> 
>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:12:00 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <003501d5d2d1$029673f0$07c35bd0$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hi Gretchen.
>> Try Julie Johnson, who is on this list.  Her company is onthego.com.  You
>> can go straight there, or through the Blindmice Megamall.
>> Julie has hands-free leashes, and is good at customizing as well.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gretchen Brown
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 10:42 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Gretchen Brown
>> Subject: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> 
>> Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NAGDU mailing list
>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:13:50 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <003701d5d2d1$445dbf50$cd193df0$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Thanks Rox.  That makes sense.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rox Homstad via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 11:05 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Rox Homstad
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> I interpreted that as how firm is the dog about making sure you are ok
>> before going down steps. For example some dogs will show you the step and
>> you can say forward and they will immediately set off. Where as other dogs
>> are slower and more cautious. My dogs won't go down steps until I am holding
>> the rail, if I am not holding the rail they won't go no matter how many
>> times I tell them to go.  They will also only go one step at a time and will
>> wait until I'm balanced to do the next one, where as some dogs just step one
>> after the other without stopping.
>> Just my thoughts though and I could be wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Madison.
>>> That was interesting, though I wonder what they mean by saying part of
>> their
>>> matching is assessment of the dog's reliability with steps and overhead
>>> obstacles.  Do they say "Well, this guy can see a bit, so it's OK if the
>> dog
>>> drags him down some steps or smashes his head into something."?  NOT!
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:14 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Madison Martin
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that
>> I
>>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors
>> they
>>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to
>> the
>>> article:
>>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the
>> article:
>>> 
>>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>>> 
>>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>>> 
>>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog
>> or
>>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>>> someone who is blind?
>>> 
>>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger
>> person.
>>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>>> its weight to its advantage.
>>> 
>>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog.
>> The
>>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>>> 
>>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for
>> guiding
>>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an
>> uneven
>>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are
>> compatible.
>>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>>> control issues and be ineffective.
>>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic
>> or
>>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>>> 
>>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect
>> the
>>> wait time for receiving a match.
>>> 
>>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog
>> Mobility
>>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus
>> that's
>>> all. Thanks 
>>> Madison
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:18:42 -0500
>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <0D75F9B1-EC01-491E-A89E-764AD72265AD at gmail.com>
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>> I have a hands free leash made by On the Go. There are actually two different options. One is essentially a long leash with a traditional clip on one end, and an adjustable loop on the other. you can put this loop around your shoulder, around your waist, or across your body like a purse. The second leash is a belt that goes around your waist with a ring on it. You can use a leash with a clip on both ends, clipping one leash to the collar and one to to the belt. It comes with a double ended leash like this. You can however use your typical guide leash as usual. if you wear the belt or keep it with you, you can easily make a long leash and clip one end two the belt whenever you want to go hands free. If you no longer want to use it hands free, you can simply unclip the leash from the belt, and make a short leash again. I have both of these leashes, but I much prefer the second option personally. 
>> Danielle
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>>> 
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 21:33:59 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <62c8ecd9.074e.4b34.b508.5c1b98ba9896 at samobile.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>> 
>> Cindy,
>> What happens when we have conventions?
>> Each six have to go on different days?
>> Or a couple with their dogs and four couples/
>> Really not acceptable.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> message:
>>> I downloaded a .pdf file, too, but it doesn't seem to be the whole thing.
>>> OK, so here's the deal.
>>> 1) Completion of the form.
>>> 2)Health records
>>> 3) Certification that your dog has been trained and that from a training
>>> program.
>>> 4) Arriving early so that your dog can be observed.
>>> 5) The airline can limit the number of service animals, which if it is dogs,
>>> should be called "Service Dogs", and not "Service animals", to two on a
>>> flight,.
>>> 6) Guide horses should be included.
>>> I realize that there have been some issues, but people using service dogs
>>> legitimately should not be punished for what people who can't be without
>>> their pets do.
>>> I am not certain you can send it to the list. You could try or you could
>>> send it to me.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Campbell via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:10 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>> Hello cindy, I was able to download the PDF of the nprm. Can I send it as an
>>> attachment to this list? Also, it looks like over 600 comments were
>>> submitted thus far. There are links on the site to tweet or post on social
>>> media. I've only read a few paragraphs, but the two things that stand out so
>>> far to me are that the DOT wants to classify emotional support animals as
>>> pets and that anyone with a disability must complete a form attesting to the
>>> good health of their dogs. I thought we were successful in stopping this
>>> practice with the airlines.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:05 PM Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed
>>>> how they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it
>>>> cannot handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally
>>>> get it to show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket
>>>> number it would not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>>> Jordan
>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>> 
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 22:40:09 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <3c72133c.8aea.499e.97fb.89aead02e344 at samobile.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
>> 
>> Original I have the leash that goes over the head on the rite shoulder.
>> I started using it when if I dropped the leash she would run.
>> This way she can't run any more.
>> She always wanted to go across the street to greet a neighbors dog.
>> now when I was at school, I asked if I could use it, and they said no.
>> I undrstood, if the dog jerks she could tip you over.
>> I also use the gentle leader, reason, when she is on leash, jerking 
>> seems to be her thing.
>> So this way I have better control.
>> Hope this helps.
>> message:
>>> I have a hands free leash made by On the Go. There are actually two 
>>> different options. One is essentially a long leash with a traditional 
>>> clip on one end, and an adjustable loop on the other. you can put this 
>>> loop around your shoulder, around your waist, or across your body like 
>>> a purse. The second leash is a belt that goes around your waist with a 
>>> ring on it. You can use a leash with a clip on both ends, clipping one 
>>> leash to the collar and one to to the belt. It comes with a double 
>>> ended leash like this. You can however use your typical guide leash as 
>>> usual. if you wear the belt or keep it with you, you can easily make a 
>>> long leash and clip one end two the belt whenever you want to go hands 
>>> free. If you no longer want to use it hands free, you can simply unclip 
>>> the leash from the belt, and make a short leash again. I have both of 
>>> these leashes, but I much prefer the second option personally.
>>> Danielle
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> ?Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>>>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>>>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>>>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>>>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>>>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>>>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>>>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>>>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>>>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>>>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>>>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>>>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>>>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>>>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:58:08 -0600
> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Note for Gretchen Brown, about hands free leash
> Message-ID: <036d01d5d3b9$c45b35a0$4d11a0e0$@gmail.com>
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> Friends, if you would all post  your E-mail addresses at the bottom of these messages, then people could  more readily reach you off list. Our guidelines strongly suggest that we do this.
> Thanks.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 12:57 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Note for Gretchen Brown, about hands free leash
> 
> Hi Gretchen, 
> 
> I didn?t catch an email address in your last request for info on hands free leashes.  I already took up some space on the list sharing the model I have custom made that works perfectly for Metukah and me, so if you?d like my descriptions (and photos if you or someone would find them useful) just write me an I?ll be happy to send it all to you.  Also, same offer stands for anyone who might find an easy to make custom hands free leash useful.  Just ping me.  
> 
> Best,
> Peter
> 
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> Executive & individual coaching, consultation, and nature-based facilitation
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>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>  1. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (sunshine)
>>  2. Re: factors considered when matching a guide dog (Tracy Carcione)
>>  3. hands free leashes (Gretchen Brown)
>>  4. Re: factors considered when matching a guide dog (Rox Homstad)
>>  5. Re: hands free leashes (Rox Homstad)
>>  6. Re: hands free leashes (Tracy Carcione)
>>  7. Re: factors considered when matching a guide dog (Tracy Carcione)
>>  8. Re: hands free leashes (Danielle Sykora)
>>  9. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (d m gina)
>> 10. Re: hands free leashes (d m gina)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:16:24 -0600
>> From: sunshine <halogirl817 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <0FC0A709-795F-4297-BE97-D638256EE748 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> In reading the material, it is my point of you that each individual could have two dogs. I did not have the impression that only two people on the plane could have dogs. I have been on the plane with three other people going to the Seeing Eye in the past. Secondly I believe that we are asked to be there one hour earlier than the other travelers. Which means that if we are to be there an hour and a half Early, then we, who have guide dogs must be there 2 1/2 hours early. That doesn?t seem reasonable to me. There are several things that I don?t like about this particular documentation. I believe that we would be spending a lot more money filling out forms with our vets as I know when I did a couple of years ago the cost was pretty high.
>> 
>> Sunshine
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone XR
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:39 PM, melissa R. Green via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hmm, the service animal number on flights is a concern. It isn't very
>>> clear. Do they mean, per each individual or as a whole group. If it is
>>> about each individuals then I am okay with it. But not if there has to be
>>> only two on a plane. That can cost lots of problems with conventions, or
>>> me and two other people having a service animal. I am concerned about the
>>> checking in early, and all of the forms. I was able to upload a notice and
>>> a record from my vet with Delta.
>>> I will be paying attention to these new rules and their development.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 8:38 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> Hi, Danielle,
>>> I like what  you have said here. These are all valid points. However, I do
>>> take exception to one of them and wonder why you like this:
>>> * restricting the number of service animals to two Why do you think this
>>> is valid? Most often it wouldn't be an issue one way or another, but let's
>>> say an NFB or ACB Convention ends and a lot of people are getting on the
>>> same plane. This was truly something to consider in Orlando when a huge
>>> number of folks were flying to Atlanta to make connections. There could
>>> easily be many more dogs on the flights than two.
>>> So would you want us to have to state that we have a dog, which of course
>>> is probably not an issue anyway if these rules were passed? How would they
>>> decide who would get to go on the flight? Would it be a lottery? I realize
>>> this doesn't happen a lot, but I know there are certainly instances when
>>> it could. The Washington Seminar comes to mind.
>>> Thanks for your help on this. I really do like what you have written.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:15 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> Here is what I wrote on another discussion about this. I intend to polish
>>> this and post an official comment soon.
>>> 
>>> Things I like
>>> * No longer allowing ESAs (though I wouldn't be entirely opposed to
>>> exploring regulating them separately and more strictly)
>>> * Restricting service animals to dogs (though allowing miniature horses as
>>> an exception on a case-by-case basis like in the ADA could be explored)
>>> * classifying psychiatric service dogs as service dogs (which they are),
>>> not lumping them together with ESAs
>>> * restricting the number of service animals to two
>>> 
>>> things I don't like
>>> * Having to check in an hour early. If this is in addition to the normal
>>> time, this would mean checking in three hours early for domestic flights
>>> and four hours early for international. That's forcing the service animal
>>> to go an extra hour without relieving, and they are already having to go a
>>> long time in some cases.
>>> * Providing attestations of behavior. If someone wants to pretend their
>>> pet is an SD, what is stopping them from simply lying on the form? There
>>> aren't any consequences for doing so. Having the form filled out by a
>>> third party will never be reliable, because who is a reliable third party?
>>> Vets may know nothing about training and behavior, and there isn't any
>>> requirement for dog trainers to be licenced. Owner trainers can't just
>>> show a program issued ID card, and some service dog programs (yes even ADI
>>> certified ones) produce some truly terrible dogs.
>>> * Providing health records from a veterinarian. Getting an annual report
>>> filled out would not tell you all that much about the dog. A dog could be
>>> free of parasites today, but not next week. Anything that must be filled
>>> out more often than annually would force handlers to pay an unnecessary
>>> fee for an office visit at minimum. I'm also concerned that airlines will
>>> start forcing people to give their dogs elective vaccinations. For
>>> example, bordetella is optional and some owners and vets will titer for
>>> distemper, but what if an airline decides these are now required?
>>> * Size restrictions. If the dog is sprawled across the isle or taking up
>>> the entire row, of course this is a problem. The most common breeds of
>>> service dogs are Labs and Goldens though, so restricting large dogs would
>>> have a huge impact on service dog handlers Essentially, that would
>>> restrict most guide and mobility dogs. Learning how to tuck under seats is
>>> part of public access training. I've seen 90 lb dogs that curl up tightly,
>>> and 30 lb dogs that are allowed to stretch out in the isle.
>>> * The assertion that employees should have no responsibilities at all.
>>> If animals are not removed from airports for poor behavior, literally
>>> nothing will solve the problem--no amount of paperwork will ever be the
>>> same as proper training. I've seen countless horrifically behaved dogs in
>>> public with multiple employees witnessing their behavior, but nothing is
>>> ever done.
>>> If an employee ignores a dog lunging an growling at a person in the
>>> airport and that dog proceeds to bite a flight attendant an hour later,
>>> that employee is partially responsible.
>>> 
>>> I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for proof of rabies, because this
>>> is a requirement for all dogs. It is also the only significant disease
>>> that would be directly transferred from dog to human that is vaccinated
>>> against.
>>> I wish this could be provided in a way that didn't require advanced notice
>>> or additional burdens. Perhaps anyone traveling with a dog would be
>>> required to show a rabies certificate before going through the security
>>> checkpoint or something.
>>> 
>>> Danielle
>>> 
>>>> On 1/23/20, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> It was the year before as I recall. And another thing. (Tracy, this 
>>>> isn't about you.) I don't think any of us should ever write to this 
>>>> list and say "What is NAGDU going to do about this? Whether we are 
>>>> members of NAGDU or not, it is up to all of us to "do something about 
>>>> it." DGUI, NAGDU, and everybody who uses a dog or doesn't needs to do 
>>>> something about it. I don't want to see people posting to this list 
>>>> "What is NAGDU going to do about it." If we are in NAGDU we will want 
>>>> to support what NAGDU does; if we are not, we want to support what 
>>>> NAGDU does because it will make a difference to all of us in the end.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via 
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:59 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service 
>>>> animals on airplanes
>>>> 
>>>> Really?  I thought we got done with this documentation and early 
>>>> check-in nonsense last year, or was it the year before.  The fight 
>>>> never
>>> ends.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> judotina48kg--- via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:39 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service 
>>>> animals on airplanes
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone- I have pasted the DOT proposed regulations below my 
>>>> signature.
>>>> 
>>>> Tina Thomas -President-CAGDU-NFBCA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protectio
>>>> n/noti ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments 
>>>> to Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced 
>>>> that it is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air 
>>>> Carrier Access Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service
>>> animals by air.
>>>> 
>>>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with 
>>>> Service Animals can be found HERE and provides the public with 60 days 
>>>> to comment on the proposed changes.
>>>> 
>>>> Today's NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air 
>>>> transportation system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals 
>>>> with disabilities, airlines, flight attendants, airports, other 
>>>> aviation transportation stakeholders, and other members of the public, 
>>>> regarding service animals on aircraft. The Department recognizes the 
>>>> integral role that service animals play in the lives of many 
>>>> individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure that individuals 
>>>> with disabilities can continue using their service animals while also 
>>>> reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with their 
>>>> pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service
>>> animals.
>>>> 
>>>> The NPRM proposes to:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to
>>> do
>>>> work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>>>> 
>>>> *       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service
>>>> animal;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and
>>>> require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals 
>>>> as other service animals;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a
>>>> service animal's good behavior, certifying the service animal's good 
>>>> health, and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal 
>>>> has the ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in 
>>>> a sanitary manner;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are
>>>> traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour 
>>>> prior to the travel time required for the general public to ensure 
>>>> sufficient time to process the service animal documentation and 
>>>> observe the animal;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service
>>>> animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling
>>>> with
>>>> a single passenger with a disability to two service animals *
>>> Allow
>>>> airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler's foot 
>>>> space on the aircraft;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be
>>>> harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its 
>>>> handler;
>>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service
>>>> animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat 
>>>> to the health or safety of others; and
>>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a
>>> service
>>>> animal solely on the basis of breed.
>>>> 
>>>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the 
>>>> notice is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov, docket 
>>>> number DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:39:33 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <002e01d5d2cc$7a380270$6ea80750$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hi Madison.
>> That was interesting, though I wonder what they mean by saying part of their
>> matching is assessment of the dog's reliability with steps and overhead
>> obstacles.  Do they say "Well, this guy can see a bit, so it's OK if the dog
>> drags him down some steps or smashes his head into something."?  NOT!
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:14 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Madison Martin
>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that I
>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors they
>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to the
>> article:
>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the article:
>> 
>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>> 
>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>> 
>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog or
>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>> someone who is blind?
>> 
>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger person.
>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>> its weight to its advantage.
>> 
>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog. The
>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>> 
>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for guiding
>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an uneven
>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are compatible.
>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>> control issues and be ineffective.
>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic or
>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>> 
>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect the
>> wait time for receiving a match.
>> 
>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog Mobility
>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>> 
>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus that's
>> all. Thanks 
>> Madison
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:42:26 -0600
>> From: Gretchen Brown <gretch99brown at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:05:04 -0600
>> From: Rox Homstad <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <B9E8DE0C-566A-4FB3-B40B-C654F7BE6C20 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> I interpreted that as how firm is the dog about making sure you are ok before going down steps. For example some dogs will show you the step and you can say forward and they will immediately set off. Where as other dogs are slower and more cautious. My dogs won't go down steps until I am holding the rail, if I am not holding the rail they won't go no matter how many times I tell them to go.  They will also only go one step at a time and will wait until I'm balanced to do the next one, where as some dogs just step one after the other without stopping.
>> Just my thoughts though and I could be wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Madison.
>>> That was interesting, though I wonder what they mean by saying part of their
>>> matching is assessment of the dog's reliability with steps and overhead
>>> obstacles.  Do they say "Well, this guy can see a bit, so it's OK if the dog
>>> drags him down some steps or smashes his head into something."?  NOT!
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:14 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Madison Martin
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that I
>>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors they
>>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to the
>>> article:
>>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the article:
>>> 
>>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>>> 
>>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>>> 
>>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog or
>>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>>> someone who is blind?
>>> 
>>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger person.
>>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>>> its weight to its advantage.
>>> 
>>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog. The
>>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>>> 
>>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for guiding
>>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an uneven
>>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are compatible.
>>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>>> control issues and be ineffective.
>>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic or
>>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>>> 
>>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect the
>>> wait time for receiving a match.
>>> 
>>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog Mobility
>>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus that's
>>> all. Thanks 
>>> Madison
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:09:33 -0600
>> From: Rox Homstad <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <6D98B791-FA8B-4BAE-8699-FE039E9BE26E at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hello,
>> There are two types of hands free leashes that are most frequently used. One style wraps around your waist, and attaches to the dog.  You see these types in stores for dogs who do urban mushing or other sports like Canicross.  Most service dog hands free leashes to over the shoulder and cross the body, like a messenger bag.  So if the dog works on the left, the leash goes over your right shoulder, diagonal across your body to clip on the dogs collar on your left.   
>> I am Deaf and use ASL for communication so I find that if I'm going to be speaking a lot or having interpreters with me while we walk and they need to communicate I will use a cross body leash.  
>> I believe Julie Johnson from on the go sells both styles in nylon.  You can get one in leather from either activedogs or bridgeport equipment if thats more your style.
>> 
>> 
>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:12:00 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <003501d5d2d1$029673f0$07c35bd0$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hi Gretchen.
>> Try Julie Johnson, who is on this list.  Her company is onthego.com.  You
>> can go straight there, or through the Blindmice Megamall.
>> Julie has hands-free leashes, and is good at customizing as well.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gretchen Brown
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 10:42 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Gretchen Brown
>> Subject: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> 
>> Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:13:50 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <003701d5d2d1$445dbf50$cd193df0$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Thanks Rox.  That makes sense.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rox Homstad via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 11:05 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Rox Homstad
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> I interpreted that as how firm is the dog about making sure you are ok
>> before going down steps. For example some dogs will show you the step and
>> you can say forward and they will immediately set off. Where as other dogs
>> are slower and more cautious. My dogs won't go down steps until I am holding
>> the rail, if I am not holding the rail they won't go no matter how many
>> times I tell them to go.  They will also only go one step at a time and will
>> wait until I'm balanced to do the next one, where as some dogs just step one
>> after the other without stopping.
>> Just my thoughts though and I could be wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>> Soleil, Rowan, Phoenix
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Madison.
>>> That was interesting, though I wonder what they mean by saying part of
>> their
>>> matching is assessment of the dog's reliability with steps and overhead
>>> obstacles.  Do they say "Well, this guy can see a bit, so it's OK if the
>> dog
>>> drags him down some steps or smashes his head into something."?  NOT!
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:14 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Madison Martin
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that
>> I
>>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors
>> they
>>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to
>> the
>>> article:
>>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the
>> article:
>>> 
>>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>>> 
>>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>>> 
>>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog
>> or
>>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>>> someone who is blind?
>>> 
>>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger
>> person.
>>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>>> its weight to its advantage.
>>> 
>>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog.
>> The
>>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>>> 
>>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for
>> guiding
>>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an
>> uneven
>>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are
>> compatible.
>>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>>> control issues and be ineffective.
>>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic
>> or
>>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>>> 
>>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect
>> the
>>> wait time for receiving a match.
>>> 
>>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog
>> Mobility
>>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus
>> that's
>>> all. Thanks 
>>> Madison
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:18:42 -0500
>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <0D75F9B1-EC01-491E-A89E-764AD72265AD at gmail.com>
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>> 
>> I have a hands free leash made by On the Go. There are actually two different options. One is essentially a long leash with a traditional clip on one end, and an adjustable loop on the other. you can put this loop around your shoulder, around your waist, or across your body like a purse. The second leash is a belt that goes around your waist with a ring on it. You can use a leash with a clip on both ends, clipping one leash to the collar and one to to the belt. It comes with a double ended leash like this. You can however use your typical guide leash as usual. if you wear the belt or keep it with you, you can easily make a long leash and clip one end two the belt whenever you want to go hands free. If you no longer want to use it hands free, you can simply unclip the leash from the belt, and make a short leash again. I have both of these leashes, but I much prefer the second option personally. 
>> Danielle
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>>> 
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 21:33:59 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <62c8ecd9.074e.4b34.b508.5c1b98ba9896 at samobile.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>> 
>> Cindy,
>> What happens when we have conventions?
>> Each six have to go on different days?
>> Or a couple with their dogs and four couples/
>> Really not acceptable.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> message:
>>> I downloaded a .pdf file, too, but it doesn't seem to be the whole thing.
>>> OK, so here's the deal.
>>> 1) Completion of the form.
>>> 2)Health records
>>> 3) Certification that your dog has been trained and that from a training
>>> program.
>>> 4) Arriving early so that your dog can be observed.
>>> 5) The airline can limit the number of service animals, which if it is dogs,
>>> should be called "Service Dogs", and not "Service animals", to two on a
>>> flight,.
>>> 6) Guide horses should be included.
>>> I realize that there have been some issues, but people using service dogs
>>> legitimately should not be punished for what people who can't be without
>>> their pets do.
>>> I am not certain you can send it to the list. You could try or you could
>>> send it to me.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Campbell via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:10 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>> Hello cindy, I was able to download the PDF of the nprm. Can I send it as an
>>> attachment to this list? Also, it looks like over 600 comments were
>>> submitted thus far. There are links on the site to tweet or post on social
>>> media. I've only read a few paragraphs, but the two things that stand out so
>>> far to me are that the DOT wants to classify emotional support animals as
>>> pets and that anyone with a disability must complete a form attesting to the
>>> good health of their dogs. I thought we were successful in stopping this
>>> practice with the airlines.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:05 PM Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed
>>>> how they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it
>>>> cannot handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally
>>>> get it to show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket
>>>> number it would not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>>> Jordan
>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
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>>> --
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 22:40:09 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] hands free leashes
>> Message-ID: <3c72133c.8aea.499e.97fb.89aead02e344 at samobile.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
>> 
>> Original I have the leash that goes over the head on the rite shoulder.
>> I started using it when if I dropped the leash she would run.
>> This way she can't run any more.
>> She always wanted to go across the street to greet a neighbors dog.
>> now when I was at school, I asked if I could use it, and they said no.
>> I undrstood, if the dog jerks she could tip you over.
>> I also use the gentle leader, reason, when she is on leash, jerking 
>> seems to be her thing.
>> So this way I have better control.
>> Hope this helps.
>> message:
>>> I have a hands free leash made by On the Go. There are actually two 
>>> different options. One is essentially a long leash with a traditional 
>>> clip on one end, and an adjustable loop on the other. you can put this 
>>> loop around your shoulder, around your waist, or across your body like 
>>> a purse. The second leash is a belt that goes around your waist with a 
>>> ring on it. You can use a leash with a clip on both ends, clipping one 
>>> leash to the collar and one to to the belt. It comes with a double 
>>> ended leash like this. You can however use your typical guide leash as 
>>> usual. if you wear the belt or keep it with you, you can easily make a 
>>> long leash and clip one end two the belt whenever you want to go hands 
>>> free. If you no longer want to use it hands free, you can simply unclip 
>>> the leash from the belt, and make a short leash again. I have both of 
>>> these leashes, but I much prefer the second option personally.
>>> Danielle
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> ?Hello, I am a student who will be interning in a healthcare setting
>>>> soon. I was wondering if any of you had ideas for hands free leashes.
>>>> I will sometimes need both hands for certain tasks, such as
>>>> transfering a patient. I realize that I could put my dog on tiedown,
>>>> but I don't want to risk someone uncliping her. Someone might assume
>>>> she is a therapy dog, and unclip her without me knowing. I still want
>>>> her to be attached to me in some way, as she is a curious dog, I have
>>>> only had her for about 6 months. I have worked with her on stay, and
>>>> she does decent with this, but struggles when she is in distracting
>>>> invironments. Plus, there is the fact that if she doesn't stay, since
>>>> I would not be holding the leash, I would not be able to give her a
>>>> correction unless I caught her. I know they make hands free leashes,
>>>> but I need something that can still be used in conjuncion with her
>>>> working leash, as I might not always have the time to change leashes.
>>>> Any ideas? Thank you in advance, Gretchen Brown
>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:31:38 -0800
> From: <mike at michaelhingson.com>
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> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,	"'d m gina'" <dmgina at mysero.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Please - 2 PER PERSON NOT 2 PER FLIGHT!
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> This has been stated several times. Not sure why Cindy isn't catching it.
> 
> Thanks for the repeat. 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU On Behalf Of David via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 5:04 AM
> To: d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Please - 2 PER PERSON NOT 2 PER FLIGHT!
> 
> Cindy was wrong. The proposed permissible limit is 2 dogs per person, not 2
> per flight.
> 
> *David in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> *
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> On 1/24/2020 9:33 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>> Cindy,
>> What happens when we have conventions?
>> Each six have to go on different days?
>> Or a couple with their dogs and four couples/ Really not acceptable.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> message:
>>> I downloaded a .pdf file, too, but it doesn't seem to be the whole 
>>> thing.
>>> OK, so here's the deal.
>>> 1) Completion of the form.
>>> 2)Health records
>>> 3) Certification that your dog has been trained and that from a training
>>> program.
>>> 4) Arriving early so that your dog can be observed.
>>> 5) The airline can limit the number of service animals, which if it 
>>> is dogs,
>>> should be called "Service Dogs", and not "Service animals", to two on a
>>> flight,.
>>> 6) Guide horses should be included.
>>> I realize that there have been some issues, but people using service 
>>> dogs
>>> legitimately should not be punished for what people who can't be without
>>> their pets do.
>>> I am not certain you can send it to the list. You could try or you could
>>> send it to me.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
>>> Campbell via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:10 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>> Hello cindy, I was able to download the PDF of the nprm. Can I send 
>>> it as an
>>> attachment to this list? Also, it looks like over 600 comments were
>>> submitted thus far. There are links on the site to tweet or post on 
>>> social
>>> media. I've only read a few paragraphs, but the two things that stand 
>>> out so
>>> far to me are that the DOT wants to classify emotional support 
>>> animals as
>>> pets and that anyone with a disability must complete a form attesting 
>>> to the
>>> good health of their dogs. I thought we were successful in stopping this
>>> practice with the airlines.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:05 PM Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed
>>>> how they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it
>>>> cannot handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally
>>>> get it to show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket
>>>> number it would not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>>> Jordan
>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> m
>> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:33:51 -0800
> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Alaska airlines seating
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> We have also heard from Alaska that they will no longer put service dogs into bulkhead seats as a default or by request.  But they will assign the seat if we pay the standard premium fare for the seat.  It was called a policy change both times that we tried to get these seats simply for a dog accommodation reason.  This seat, if my wife and I are to sit together, is about only place where there is room for two service dogs, at least on the smaller jets that commute between Northern CA and Los Angeles.  We bucked up and paid about 26 bucks per seat on both of our most recent flights.  
> 
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>>  1. Re: Airline seat designations (Michael Forzano)
>>  2. Re: Airline seat designations (Tracy Carcione)
>>  3. Re: Airline seat designations (Bryan Gearry)
>>  4. Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>     airplanes (Michael Forzano)
>>  5. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (Bryan Gearry)
>>  6. factors considered when matching a guide dog (Madison Martin)
>>  7. New D.O.T. rules for air carriers: The comment period is now.
>>     (Peter Wolf)
>>  8. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (Jordan Gallacher)
>>  9. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>> 10. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>> 11. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (piper foster)
>> 12. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>> 13. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (Jordan Gallacher)
>> 14. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>> 15. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (Jordan Gallacher)
>> 16. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>> 17. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (Elizabeth Campbell)
>> 18. Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>     airplanes (judotina48kg at gmail.com)
>> 19. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>     on airplanes (d m gina)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:31:13 -0800
>> From: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Many airlines including Alaska will put a guide dog user in premium
>> economy for free. I fly Alaska all the time and if they tried to
>> charge for the seat you probably got someone who didn't know the
>> policy.
>> 
>> Economy is just a standard seat. Regardless of the size of the plane
>> that usually means 30 to 31 inches of pitch (the distance between your
>> seatback and the back of the seat in front of you). Economy + and
>> their equivalents typically have 3 extra inches, or sometimes more if
>> you're sitting in a bulkhead. That is hit or miss as some bulkheads
>> have a wall in front of you, which I don't find to be great for us as
>> there is no seat in front of you for the dog to slide under. Other
>> bulkhead rows have a first class seat in front of you which gives you
>> tons of room.
>> 
>> I'd definitely call and see about getting into Economy Plus.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 1/17/20, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> That is if customs doesn't get fouled up. Its 18 hours coming back from
>>> Europe to Alaska because of Customs. It would be shorter to fly Condor
>>> over the poles, but the operate in the summer only and go to Frankfort
>>> instead of Amsterdam.
>>> 
>>> On 1/17/2020 8:49 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Wow, 14-hour flights!  Non-stop?  I'm not sure Krokus could handle that.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 12:46 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users; Tracy
>>>> Carcione
>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>>> 
>>>> I fly Alaska majority of the time. Until recently, they have always put
>>>> me in the bulkhead with my guide which is a big Golden. Now thy consider
>>>> that Premium and I have to pay and extra 130$. Where as before there was
>>>> no up charge. This is a new way to charge people with disabilities. Goes
>>>> for the same with people in wheel chairs.
>>>> 
>>>> So far flying Delta internationally, I have not run into this as long as
>>>> you talk to accessibility desk first. I have been taking 14 hour flights
>>>> and so far they have been very accommodating. Alaska USED to be.
>>>> Camden and bryan
>>>> 
>>>> lOn 1/17/2020 7:15 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sometimes the airline's disability desk can advise you on seats. Delta
>>>>> will put you in Comfort Plus at no additional cost if you deal with
>>>>> their disability desk. I find that booking by telephone with them
>>>>> after I have done my research works well and there is no additional
>>>>> telephone booking charge. I have found them to be very helpful. We
>>>>> need extra time for connections because Claire refuses to use the
>>>>> indoor "parks" and they work with us to get solid break time between
>>>>> connections.
>>>>> 
>>>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> On 1/17/2020 9:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> Can one of you frequent flyers enlighten me about airline seat
>>>>>> designations,
>>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a seat called "economy" on a Boeing 757.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know I had plenty of room for me and Krokus in "economy+" on a
>>>>>> commuter
>>>>>> plane, one of those planes with maybe 80 seats.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So do I need to upgrade to "economy+" to be sure we both have some
>>>>>> space?
>>>>>> It's a 6 hour international flight, so I don't want to be really
>>>>>> squashed
>>>>>> in.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 11:39:46 -0500
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>> Message-ID: <00a401d5d142$8ec01f60$ac405e20$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Thanks Mike for explaining the difference.  We switched to Economy+, which
>> should be fine.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Forzano
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:31 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Michael Forzano
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>> 
>> Many airlines including Alaska will put a guide dog user in premium
>> economy for free. I fly Alaska all the time and if they tried to
>> charge for the seat you probably got someone who didn't know the
>> policy.
>> 
>> Economy is just a standard seat. Regardless of the size of the plane
>> that usually means 30 to 31 inches of pitch (the distance between your
>> seatback and the back of the seat in front of you). Economy + and
>> their equivalents typically have 3 extra inches, or sometimes more if
>> you're sitting in a bulkhead. That is hit or miss as some bulkheads
>> have a wall in front of you, which I don't find to be great for us as
>> there is no seat in front of you for the dog to slide under. Other
>> bulkhead rows have a first class seat in front of you which gives you
>> tons of room.
>> 
>> I'd definitely call and see about getting into Economy Plus.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 1/17/20, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> That is if customs doesn't get fouled up. Its 18 hours coming back from
>>> Europe to Alaska because of Customs. It would be shorter to fly Condor
>>> over the poles, but the operate in the summer only and go to Frankfort
>>> instead of Amsterdam.
>>> 
>>> On 1/17/2020 8:49 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Wow, 14-hour flights!  Non-stop?  I'm not sure Krokus could handle that.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 12:46 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users;
>> Tracy
>>>> Carcione
>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>>> 
>>>> I fly Alaska majority of the time. Until recently, they have always put
>>>> me in the bulkhead with my guide which is a big Golden. Now thy consider
>>>> that Premium and I have to pay and extra 130$. Where as before there was
>>>> no up charge. This is a new way to charge people with disabilities. Goes
>>>> for the same with people in wheel chairs.
>>>> 
>>>> So far flying Delta internationally, I have not run into this as long as
>>>> you talk to accessibility desk first. I have been taking 14 hour flights
>>>> and so far they have been very accommodating. Alaska USED to be.
>>>> Camden and bryan
>>>> 
>>>> lOn 1/17/2020 7:15 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sometimes the airline's disability desk can advise you on seats. Delta
>>>>> will put you in Comfort Plus at no additional cost if you deal with
>>>>> their disability desk. I find that booking by telephone with them
>>>>> after I have done my research works well and there is no additional
>>>>> telephone booking charge. I have found them to be very helpful. We
>>>>> need extra time for connections because Claire refuses to use the
>>>>> indoor "parks" and they work with us to get solid break time between
>>>>> connections.
>>>>> 
>>>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> On 1/17/2020 9:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> Can one of you frequent flyers enlighten me about airline seat
>>>>>> designations,
>>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a seat called "economy" on a Boeing 757.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know I had plenty of room for me and Krokus in "economy+" on a
>>>>>> commuter
>>>>>> plane, one of those planes with maybe 80 seats.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So do I need to upgrade to "economy+" to be sure we both have some
>>>>>> space?
>>>>>> It's a 6 hour international flight, so I don't want to be really
>>>>>> squashed
>>>>>> in.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> NAGDU:
>>>>>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/david%40bakerinet.com
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>> net
>>>>> 
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:23:28 -0900
>> From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
>> To: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>,	"NAGDU Mailing List,
>> 	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>> Message-ID: <adb2b7a7-cc4c-6d2f-7518-6532e2db3f5b at alaskafrontier.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Michael, I just booked a trip down to America from Alaska and they 
>> wouldn't upgrade me for free. Said I had to pay extra for the premium 
>> economy. Travel agent contacted her Rep at AK Air and they told her no 
>> more free upgrade. Flew to Hawaii last month and had to fly in seat 11. 
>> One row behind premium. Miserable 6 1/2 hour flight.
>> 
>> AK Air has always been very accommodating. Every thing has changed since 
>> the new year. I hope you have better luck. Let me know how you make out 
>> with them.
>> 
>> bryan
>> 
>> On 1/22/2020 7:31 AM, Michael Forzano wrote:
>>> Many airlines including Alaska will put a guide dog user in premium
>>> economy for free. I fly Alaska all the time and if they tried to
>>> charge for the seat you probably got someone who didn't know the
>>> policy.
>>> 
>>> Economy is just a standard seat. Regardless of the size of the plane
>>> that usually means 30 to 31 inches of pitch (the distance between your
>>> seatback and the back of the seat in front of you). Economy + and
>>> their equivalents typically have 3 extra inches, or sometimes more if
>>> you're sitting in a bulkhead. That is hit or miss as some bulkheads
>>> have a wall in front of you, which I don't find to be great for us as
>>> there is no seat in front of you for the dog to slide under. Other
>>> bulkhead rows have a first class seat in front of you which gives you
>>> tons of room.
>>> 
>>> I'd definitely call and see about getting into Economy Plus.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> On 1/17/20, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> That is if customs doesn't get fouled up. Its 18 hours coming back from
>>>> Europe to Alaska because of Customs. It would be shorter to fly Condor
>>>> over the poles, but the operate in the summer only and go to Frankfort
>>>> instead of Amsterdam.
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/2020 8:49 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Wow, 14-hour flights!  Non-stop?  I'm not sure Krokus could handle that.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 12:46 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users; Tracy
>>>>> Carcione
>>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>>>> 
>>>>> I fly Alaska majority of the time. Until recently, they have always put
>>>>> me in the bulkhead with my guide which is a big Golden. Now thy consider
>>>>> that Premium and I have to pay and extra 130$. Where as before there was
>>>>> no up charge. This is a new way to charge people with disabilities. Goes
>>>>> for the same with people in wheel chairs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So far flying Delta internationally, I have not run into this as long as
>>>>> you talk to accessibility desk first. I have been taking 14 hour flights
>>>>> and so far they have been very accommodating. Alaska USED to be.
>>>>> Camden and bryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> lOn 1/17/2020 7:15 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sometimes the airline's disability desk can advise you on seats. Delta
>>>>>> will put you in Comfort Plus at no additional cost if you deal with
>>>>>> their disability desk. I find that booking by telephone with them
>>>>>> after I have done my research works well and there is no additional
>>>>>> telephone booking charge. I have found them to be very helpful. We
>>>>>> need extra time for connections because Claire refuses to use the
>>>>>> indoor "parks" and they work with us to get solid break time between
>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> On 1/17/2020 9:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>>> Can one of you frequent flyers enlighten me about airline seat
>>>>>>> designations,
>>>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a seat called "economy" on a Boeing 757.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know I had plenty of room for me and Krokus in "economy+" on a
>>>>>>> commuter
>>>>>>> plane, one of those planes with maybe 80 seats.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So do I need to upgrade to "economy+" to be sure we both have some
>>>>>>> space?
>>>>>>> It's a 6 hour international flight, so I don't want to be really
>>>>>>> squashed
>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 12:18:14 -0800
>> From: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAKRnMMVUZvhniD5YJmQzqnxpmoFQJE5e1AWhNuYrc0=hwO5mWw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/notice-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation,
>> and check in in advance of the general public so that our service
>> animals can be observed. This is not good and very surprising
>> considering that feedback from people with disabilities was supposedly
>> taken into consideration.
>> 
>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file
>> my own comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to
>> check in an hour advance of everyone else would be a huge
>> inconvenience.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 11:53:59 -0900
>> From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <628e4817-c2c8-c106-4f9a-608f5fa95156 at alaskafrontier.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Wow! That is something. The idea of filing out 3 separate forms is 
>> crazy. The forms probably have to be signed by a vet....another burden 
>> and cost. Thanks for posting this.....Bryan
>> 
>> On 1/22/2020 11:18 AM, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/notice-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation,
>>> and check in in advance of the general public so that our service
>>> animals can be observed. This is not good and very surprising
>>> considering that feedback from people with disabilities was supposedly
>>> taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file
>>> my own comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to
>>> check in an hour advance of everyone else would be a huge
>>> inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 15:13:57 -0600
>> From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin at mymts.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>> Message-ID: <003401d5d168$dceed020$96cc7060$@mymts.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that I
>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors they
>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to the
>> article:
>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the article:
>> 
>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>> 
>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>> 
>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog or
>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>> someone who is blind?
>> 
>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger person.
>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>> its weight to its advantage.
>> 
>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog. The
>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>> 
>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for guiding
>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an uneven
>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are compatible.
>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>> control issues and be ineffective.
>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic or
>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>> 
>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect the
>> wait time for receiving a match.
>> 
>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog Mobility
>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>> 
>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus that's
>> all. Thanks 
>> Madison
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:43:33 -0800
>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] New D.O.T. rules for air carriers: The comment period
>> 	is now.
>> Message-ID: <2A8579F5-EA1F-4110-8F67-D5AB9A5B40BE at wolfskills.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I just recently came across a chat list of American Council of the Blind, and thought I?d join it as well as ours.  Within just a couple of days, I caught an important message that we should all jump on if we haven?t done so already.  New air carrier rules appear to be coming again.  We are now in a 60 day period to submit comments to D.O.T..  
>> 
>> Here, we have another chance to guarantee our right to privacy, and to not be hassled by officials or paperwork requirements for our properly trained working dogs.  As you?ve probably known from reading periodic messages from me, my wife and I fly with our service dogs quite regularly, and sometimes internationally.  It is only a very rare occasion that one or both of us make it through an airport without being barked at, lunged at, or snapped at by untrained dogs.  This includes right there at the boarding gate.  It also includes dogs running at us on the end of an spaced-out pet owner?s retractor leash, ten or more feet long.  Metukah has even been barked and snapped at by a dog that was being walked back the aisle, on it?s way past us to a seat inside a plane.  
>> 
>> This is an opportunity to back up the currrent proposal to ban emotional support dogs, which are untrained dogs.  It also requires that Psychiatric service dogs be trained as service dogs, to recognize them as service dogs.  This one is oh so important to give back up for our population of veterans and others who really need to work together with a service dog.  
>> 
>> This message, as I am forwarding it in entirety, came from Robert Acosta, President of Helping Hands for the Blind.  
>> 
>> To make commenting to D.O.T. easier, I am pasting the link right here before Robert?s message:
>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7061146.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D84Em28S1K9SvtzcUtu04EjIEcmiyGbqunebI5gGhYlLe-2D2Fs3CKCSsNSpLkU9RsvGM-5FbNEKEfMLbW4STh-2D2FCH5VlJQP-2D2Ft3HecdBKmsOYZM786v5iD2V-2D2FLJ7QajvJSSJ-2D2FhGJ102x6iLCZ8X6Ea2DnNsw9N97-2D2FGD2rf8gl9cxJy-2D2Bp0-2D2FzuMsuRMU7UCGXZptk5v2NuGM7S21EXSNckBBD5ddBJHBV-2D2FRSAnf2fBXo2h2VEz4XBE0kj6HSDcdUC6UOh7IboF7wPABACuF-2D2FZNr59Tv32zPd0mxQb4LYpz36vTWsZ8y7Qy7yvfLTd1e-2D2Bqu-2D2F0Y19WwlVyLhLQ9H-2D2FrSeorDXZNF9RFWTA1V0BwNkm22Eclyh1qC6lfom8N-2D2BF9OHu-2D2FmdANYI7x8zq9H6ACa9tXGyn0XKGUmA-2D3D-2D3D&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=3LF4vFr5Vo3tqSdHmFCogBcm48QeA2xit8pga3lGIu0&e=>, docket number DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>> 
>> 
>> Below, Robert?s message:
>> 
>> As I am sure many of your have already heard, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has just put out a notice of proposed rule-making (NPRM) concerning bringing service animals on airplanes. Most of us know that in past years, airlines have put into place frustrating and illegal policies on what we have to do before we can bring our guide dogs onto planes. Our national office has done a lot of work to explain the negative repercussions of such policies. The FAA has also addressed this problem and put out a favorable Final Statement in the summer of 2019; the corresponding ACB press release is available at: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/acb-commends-dot-faa-on-final-statement-of-enforcement-priorities-regarding-service-animals-300899609.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.prnewswire.com_news-2Dreleases_acb-2Dcommends-2Ddot-2Dfaa-2Don-2Dfinal-2Dstatement-2Dof-2Denforcement-2Dpriorities-2Dregarding-2Dservice-2Danimals-2D300899609.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=m9nNXuj1erIiIHGm7wn7HU4MOyJJUdc8C_krS91v6MU&e=>. This issue is so significant to our community that ACB has passed resolutions on the topic for several years; these resolutions  are available at: 
>> 
>> 2013-05: https://acb.org/resolutions2013 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2013&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=XV1Hcq1bFs7ybHnAu3OTK4M3JV0j5o85rMNCzyrCvAo&e=>
>> 2014-01: https://acb.org/resolutions2014 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2014&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=L--qmGY6DdL7W10aNv8zA2_hFUVwueUX1pwwReBxsPo&e=>
>> 2016-14: https://acb.org/resolutions2016 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2016&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=rJcHHpKJ8WfW3YJEUlotZI45Ms7_F-bbP9CVPBF8HDI&e=>
>> 2017-05: https://acb.org/resolutions2017 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2017&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=diYksYxofwFmdxTcreaNgYUm0yZ52S1ncNSCBQZcF8A&e=>
>> 2018-10: https://acb.org/resolutions2018 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2018&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=qYUrU8uT-7EHlkldq7zV8nEQwGPoYX5cWxpzBwMUvAE&e=>
>> 
>> Today, the FAA announced a NPRM to get feedback from Americans on what federal regulations on bringing service animals on planes should look like. Some of the questions concern whether documentation should be required, if service animals should be limited to dogs, and if emotional support animals should be included. The FAA has allowed 60 days to file public comments once the NPRM is published in the Federal Register. The national office will review the NPRM carefully and work with ACB affiliates, committees and members to draft comments. We will share more information as it becomes available and assist members with filing their own comments. In the meantime, please read the below information from the FAA. Please contact me via email, cstanley at acb.org <mailto:cstanley at acb.org>,  if you have any questions or comments related to this issue.
>> 
>> 
>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments to Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>> 
>> 
>> WASHINGTON ? The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced that it is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service animals by air.  
>> 
>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with Service Animals can be found HERE <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7061146.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3DG62jSYfZdO-2D2F12d8lSllQB1Pau57J7mutu8qMxbAmFNW8zX08wQF00Dih4keb-2D2BD2VGl-2D2B4bSzziSg2aAe4Wg99OD9E8rZDhigAO2Y4faIVyHJ-2D2BXcnNp08vHPEEi97GvemuHLk4ma-2D2F8yiCVD-2D2BWB2q81XzSUWjYFNfFoDO9hoMdmMJRq65x1KtMYvg7q1oWhMswq-5FbNEKEfMLbW4STh-2D2FCH5VlJQP-2D2Ft3HecdBKmsOYZM786v5iD2V-2D2FLJ7QajvJSSJ-2D2FhGJ102x6iLCZ8X6Ea2DnNsw9N97-2D2FGD2rf8gl9cxJy-2D2Bp0-2D2FzuMsuRMU7UCGXZptk5v2NuGM7S21EXSNckBBD5ddBJHBV-2D2FRSAnf2fBXo2h2VEz4XBE0kj6HSDcdUC6UOh7IboF71mYyEcoRig1gnlF2qyf2B0OlD08n3vooQV857I4sh6gKGTCeQarhhW-2D2BRDqbypNzsHtD1SCHqyU2BfzPOm5CIVO0UrO30FmAFE8Ngz3rcFwqYpwK8GTMqPqVFQv3-2D2FubMxtbBfNJtZg2ODEmk6yaTG2w-2D3D-2D3D&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=EQN5NK5yyu92Zser5_lYIO8IRGRV2MoSXBlven1gHNo&e=> and provides the public with 60 days to comment on the proposed changes.
>> 
>> Today?s NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air transportation system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals with disabilities, airlines, flight attendants, airports, other aviation transportation stakeholders, and other members of the public, regarding service animals on aircraft. The Department recognizes the integral role that service animals play in the lives of many individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure that individuals with disabilities can continue using their service animals while also reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with their pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service animals. 
>> 
>> The NPRM proposes to: 
>> 
>> ?       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>> 
>> ?       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service animal;
>> 
>> ?       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals as other service animals;
>> 
>> ?       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a service animal?s good behavior, certifying the service animal?s good health, and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal has the ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in a sanitary manner;
>> 
>> ?       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour prior to the travel time required for the general public to ensure sufficient time to process the service animal documentation and observe the animal;
>> 
>> ?       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>> 
>> ?       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling with a single passenger with a disability to two service animals; 
>> 
>> ?       Allow airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler?s foot space on the aircraft;
>> 
>> ?       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its handler;
>> 
>> ?       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat to the health or safety of others; and
>> 
>> ?       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a service animal solely on the basis of breed.
>> 
>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7061146.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D84Em28S1K9SvtzcUtu04EjIEcmiyGbqunebI5gGhYlLe-2D2Fs3CKCSsNSpLkU9RsvGM-5FbNEKEfMLbW4STh-2D2FCH5VlJQP-2D2Ft3HecdBKmsOYZM786v5iD2V-2D2FLJ7QajvJSSJ-2D2FhGJ102x6iLCZ8X6Ea2DnNsw9N97-2D2FGD2rf8gl9cxJy-2D2Bp0-2D2FzuMsuRMU7UCGXZptk5v2NuGM7S21EXSNckBBD5ddBJHBV-2D2FRSAnf2fBXo2h2VEz4XBE0kj6HSDcdUC6UOh7IboF7wPABACuF-2D2FZNr59Tv32zPd0mxQb4LYpz36vTWsZ8y7Qy7yvfLTd1e-2D2Bqu-2D2F0Y19WwlVyLhLQ9H-2D2FrSeorDXZNF9RFWTA1V0BwNkm22Eclyh1qC6lfom8N-2D2BF9OHu-2D2FmdANYI7x8zq9H6ACa9tXGyn0XKGUmA-2D3D-2D3D&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=3LF4vFr5Vo3tqSdHmFCogBcm48QeA2xit8pga3lGIu0&e=>, docket number DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> Claire
>> 
>> 
>> Claire Stanley
>> Advocacy and Outreach Specialist
>> American Council of the Blind
>> 1703 N Beauregard Street, Suite 420
>> Alexandria, VA 22311
>> (T) 202-467-5081
>> (F) 703-465-5085
>> Learn more about us at www.acb.org <http://www.acb.org/>
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Robert Acosta, President  Helping Hands for the Blind  Phone: (818) 9980044  www.helpinghands4theblind.net <http://www.helpinghands4theblind.net/>
>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 17:38:29 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <004301d5d174$ac02bdd0$04083970$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>> airplanes
>> 
>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>> 
>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:54:20 -0600
>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <009001d5d198$6992cc00$3cb86400$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Mike, for the benefit of those who aren't as familiar as youconcerning
>> finding the information we are to look at, please send the text of the
>> Notice of Rules Making. This link did not seem to go there, or at least I
>> personally need more information. When I clicked on it, it said Notice of
>> Rules making, but all that was there was a search form. I will look again,
>> but it would be helpful if you sent it.
>> 
>> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 2:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>> airplanes
>> 
>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>> 
>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:56:00 -0600
>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <009101d5d198$a4ed31a0$eec794e0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Mike, I just found them I think, and I will send them to the list. Sorry for
>> presuming the link was wrong because I didn't find it right off. *smile
>> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 2:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>> airplanes
>> 
>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>> 
>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: piper foster <fosterpiper at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <727006419.10580503.1579749310958 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> The provisions of these proposed rules do?not sound like they?re?designed to protect the rights of those with disabilities, contrary to the assertion in the document, itself. Rather, it sounds like a policy to keep as many individuals with disabilities who travel with a service animal off the airlines, entirely.?
>> What, do we still make some people uncomfortable by our very presence among them? I?d almost think so, after reading the section about what Congress has directed be looked into as methods of ?vetting? every type of service animal whose partner wishes to fly with them. Some of these are:
>> (1) photo identification for service animals;(2) training documentation;(3) medical documentation indication the tasks the animal performs to assist its user, and(4) whether more than one service animal should be permitted (per person).
>> Other considerations to be part of the new rules are things like requiring?health and vaccination records for service animals,?third-party proof of behavior training for service animals, and almost as if an afterthought, Congress directs the committee to??consider the impact of additional requirements on passengers with disabilities traveling with service animals and ways to eliminate or mitigate those impacts.?
>> A?final rule on service animals must be issued, under the Congressional directive,?no later than March 22, 2020.
>> What I learned from this is that Congress has oversight of the FAA and thus controls the ultimate direction in which the ACAA will go. I fear the ability of owner-trainers to fly with their service animals may be nearing an end, because I?d also suspect the voices of certain large organizations like ADI will have a substantial impact on this rulemaking.
>> I hope I?m reading this all?wrong, but I suspect I?m not.?
>> Piper
>> 
>> Trimmed content for length
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:19:51 -0600
>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <00bd01d5d19b$f9d8d1d0$ed8a7570$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Well, I never saw the whole form. 
>> Cindy Lou
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:38 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>> airplanes
>> 
>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>> 
>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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>> com
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:23:47 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <00ae01d5d19c$86781e20$93685a60$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Here is the direct link for anyone who needs it.
>> https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=DOT-OST-2018-0068
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:20 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>> Well, I never saw the whole form. 
>> Cindy Lou
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:38 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>> airplanes
>> 
>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>> 
>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:28:12 -0600
>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <010201d5d19d$2495b7c0$6dc12740$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Maybe tomorrow will be better. Jordan, I did go to this link, and when I
>> went to the docket of documents I got an error message. Apparently others
>> are having better luck with this than I am. May have to do it on my phone.
>> LOL.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:24 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>> Here is the direct link for anyone who needs it.
>> https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=DOT-OST-2018-0068
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:20 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>> Well, I never saw the whole form. 
>> Cindy Lou
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:38 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>> airplanes
>> 
>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>> 
>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:45:04 -0500
>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <98175189-F285-4908-ADFE-3C0FAB310BE8 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it cannot handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally get it to show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket number it would not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:03:21 -0600
>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <010d01d5d1a2$0d67c7f0$283757d0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed how
>> they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> animals on airplanes
>> 
>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it cannot
>> handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally get it to
>> show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket number it would
>> not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:09:45 -0600
>> From: Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAOz8cXkwQa7hozRNF9qN7ibsZ+L4rJbp+Z9YLEB4eD-pBi0hoA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> Hello cindy, I was able to download the PDF of the nprm. Can I send it as
>> an attachment to this list? Also, it looks like over 600 comments were
>> submitted thus far. There are links on the site to tweet or post on social
>> media. I've only read a few paragraphs, but the two things that stand out
>> so far to me are that the DOT wants to classify emotional support animals
>> as pets and that anyone with a disability must complete a form attesting to
>> the good health of their dogs. I thought we were successful in stopping
>> this practice with the airlines.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:05 PM Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed how
>>> they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it cannot
>>> handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally get it to
>>> show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket number it would
>>> not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Elizabeth Campbell
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:38:44 -0800
>> From: <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
>> 	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <011d01d5d1a6$ff02d650$fd0882f0$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hello Everyone- I have pasted the DOT proposed regulations below my
>> signature.  
>> 
>> Tina Thomas -President-CAGDU-NFBCA 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments to
>> Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced that it
>> is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air Carrier Access
>> Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service animals by air.  
>> 
>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with Service
>> Animals can be found HERE and provides the public with 60 days to comment on
>> the proposed changes.
>> 
>> Today's NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air transportation
>> system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals with disabilities,
>> airlines, flight attendants, airports, other aviation transportation
>> stakeholders, and other members of the public, regarding service animals on
>> aircraft. The Department recognizes the integral role that service animals
>> play in the lives of many individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure
>> that individuals with disabilities can continue using their service animals
>> while also reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with
>> their pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service
>> animals. 
>> 
>> The NPRM proposes to: 
>> 
>> 
>> *       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to do
>> work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>> 
>> *       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service
>> animal;
>> 
>> *       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and
>> require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals as
>> other service animals;
>> 
>> *       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a
>> service animal's good behavior, certifying the service animal's good health,
>> and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal has the
>> ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in a sanitary
>> manner;
>> 
>> *       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are
>> traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour prior to
>> the travel time required for the general public to ensure sufficient time to
>> process the service animal documentation and observe the animal;
>> 
>> *       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service
>> animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>> 
>> *       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling with
>> a single passenger with a disability to two service animals *       Allow
>> airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler's foot space
>> on the aircraft;
>> 
>> *       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be
>> harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its handler;
>> 
>> *       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service
>> animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat to
>> the health or safety of others; and
>> 
>> *       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a service
>> animal solely on the basis of breed.
>> 
>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice
>> is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov, docket number
>> DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 00:28:03 -0500
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>> 	animals on airplanes
>> Message-ID: <6059b735.ff7c.49b2.a940.cfaf7695e667 at samobile.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>> 
>> Original It seems to me, that we go over the same things over and over.
>> One thinks all got settled, to have the hog wash brought up again.
>> We have done well to solve problems, where I feel the schools should 
>> jump in as well.
>> I don't feel they care, meaning once you get your dog, what bridges you 
>> cross are your bridges.
>> Now I could be missing a step, where I don't feel I am.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> message:
>>> Hello Everyone- I have pasted the DOT proposed regulations below my
>>> signature.
>> 
>>> Tina Thomas -President-CAGDU-NFBCA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments to
>>> Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced that it
>>> is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air Carrier Access
>>> Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service animals by air.
>> 
>>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with Service
>>> Animals can be found HERE and provides the public with 60 days to comment on
>>> the proposed changes.
>> 
>>> Today's NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air transportation
>>> system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals with disabilities,
>>> airlines, flight attendants, airports, other aviation transportation
>>> stakeholders, and other members of the public, regarding service animals on
>>> aircraft. The Department recognizes the integral role that service animals
>>> play in the lives of many individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure
>>> that individuals with disabilities can continue using their service animals
>>> while also reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with
>>> their pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service
>>> animals.
>> 
>>> The NPRM proposes to:
>> 
>> 
>>> *       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to do
>>> work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>> 
>>> *       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service
>>> animal;
>> 
>>> *       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and
>>> require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals as
>>> other service animals;
>> 
>>> *       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a
>>> service animal's good behavior, certifying the service animal's good health,
>>> and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal has the
>>> ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in a sanitary
>>> manner;
>> 
>>> *       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are
>>> traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour prior to
>>> the travel time required for the general public to ensure sufficient time to
>>> process the service animal documentation and observe the animal;
>> 
>>> *       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service
>>> animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>> 
>>> *       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling with
>>> a single passenger with a disability to two service animals *       Allow
>>> airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler's foot space
>>> on the aircraft;
>> 
>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be
>>> harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its handler;
>> 
>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service
>>> animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat to
>>> the health or safety of others; and
>> 
>>> *       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a service
>>> animal solely on the basis of breed.
>> 
>>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice
>>> is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov, docket number
>>> DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> -- 
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> End of NAGDU Digest, Vol 178, Issue 20
>> **************************************
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 12:52:12 -0900
> From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> 	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Alaskans airlines seating
> Message-ID: <B1A6F849-10E3-462E-9898-15AF04F71EBF at alaskafrontier.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Peter they charge 62$ each way from Anchorage.  Must be a distance thing.  
> 
> Sent from Bryan's IPhone 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Peter Wolf via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?We have also heard from Alaska that they will no longer put service dogs into bulkhead seats as a default or by request.  But they will assign the seat if we pay the standard premium fare for the seat.  It was called a policy change both times that we tried to get these seats simply for a dog accommodation reason.  This seat, if my wife and I are to sit together, is about only place where there is room for two service dogs, at least on the smaller jets that commute between Northern CA and Los Angeles.  We bucked up and paid about 26 bucks per seat on both of our most recent flights.  
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
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>> www. Wolf Leadership Institute . com
>> 707. 829 - 0776
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. Re: Airline seat designations (Michael Forzano)
>>> 2. Re: Airline seat designations (Tracy Carcione)
>>> 3. Re: Airline seat designations (Bryan Gearry)
>>> 4. Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>>    airplanes (Michael Forzano)
>>> 5. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (Bryan Gearry)
>>> 6. factors considered when matching a guide dog (Madison Martin)
>>> 7. New D.O.T. rules for air carriers: The comment period is now.
>>>    (Peter Wolf)
>>> 8. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (Jordan Gallacher)
>>> 9. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>>> 10. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>>> 11. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (piper foster)
>>> 12. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>>> 13. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (Jordan Gallacher)
>>> 14. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>>> 15. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (Jordan Gallacher)
>>> 16. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (cindyray at gmail.com)
>>> 17. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (Elizabeth Campbell)
>>> 18. Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>>    airplanes (judotina48kg at gmail.com)
>>> 19. Re: Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals
>>>    on airplanes (d m gina)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:31:13 -0800
>>> From: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>> Message-ID:
>>>   <CAKRnMMVR8LhfCtgVFFWNuBJ8LwYZLiqyQrr61p4Ov27LD99Tgw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> 
>>> Many airlines including Alaska will put a guide dog user in premium
>>> economy for free. I fly Alaska all the time and if they tried to
>>> charge for the seat you probably got someone who didn't know the
>>> policy.
>>> 
>>> Economy is just a standard seat. Regardless of the size of the plane
>>> that usually means 30 to 31 inches of pitch (the distance between your
>>> seatback and the back of the seat in front of you). Economy + and
>>> their equivalents typically have 3 extra inches, or sometimes more if
>>> you're sitting in a bulkhead. That is hit or miss as some bulkheads
>>> have a wall in front of you, which I don't find to be great for us as
>>> there is no seat in front of you for the dog to slide under. Other
>>> bulkhead rows have a first class seat in front of you which gives you
>>> tons of room.
>>> 
>>> I'd definitely call and see about getting into Economy Plus.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/20, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> That is if customs doesn't get fouled up. Its 18 hours coming back from
>>>> Europe to Alaska because of Customs. It would be shorter to fly Condor
>>>> over the poles, but the operate in the summer only and go to Frankfort
>>>> instead of Amsterdam.
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/2020 8:49 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Wow, 14-hour flights!  Non-stop?  I'm not sure Krokus could handle that.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 12:46 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users; Tracy
>>>>> Carcione
>>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>>>> 
>>>>> I fly Alaska majority of the time. Until recently, they have always put
>>>>> me in the bulkhead with my guide which is a big Golden. Now thy consider
>>>>> that Premium and I have to pay and extra 130$. Where as before there was
>>>>> no up charge. This is a new way to charge people with disabilities. Goes
>>>>> for the same with people in wheel chairs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So far flying Delta internationally, I have not run into this as long as
>>>>> you talk to accessibility desk first. I have been taking 14 hour flights
>>>>> and so far they have been very accommodating. Alaska USED to be.
>>>>> Camden and bryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> lOn 1/17/2020 7:15 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sometimes the airline's disability desk can advise you on seats. Delta
>>>>>> will put you in Comfort Plus at no additional cost if you deal with
>>>>>> their disability desk. I find that booking by telephone with them
>>>>>> after I have done my research works well and there is no additional
>>>>>> telephone booking charge. I have found them to be very helpful. We
>>>>>> need extra time for connections because Claire refuses to use the
>>>>>> indoor "parks" and they work with us to get solid break time between
>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> On 1/17/2020 9:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>>> Can one of you frequent flyers enlighten me about airline seat
>>>>>>> designations,
>>>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a seat called "economy" on a Boeing 757.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know I had plenty of room for me and Krokus in "economy+" on a
>>>>>>> commuter
>>>>>>> plane, one of those planes with maybe 80 seats.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So do I need to upgrade to "economy+" to be sure we both have some
>>>>>>> space?
>>>>>>> It's a 6 hour international flight, so I don't want to be really
>>>>>>> squashed
>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 11:39:46 -0500
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>> Message-ID: <00a401d5d142$8ec01f60$ac405e20$@access.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Thanks Mike for explaining the difference.  We switched to Economy+, which
>>> should be fine.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Forzano
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:31 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Michael Forzano
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>> 
>>> Many airlines including Alaska will put a guide dog user in premium
>>> economy for free. I fly Alaska all the time and if they tried to
>>> charge for the seat you probably got someone who didn't know the
>>> policy.
>>> 
>>> Economy is just a standard seat. Regardless of the size of the plane
>>> that usually means 30 to 31 inches of pitch (the distance between your
>>> seatback and the back of the seat in front of you). Economy + and
>>> their equivalents typically have 3 extra inches, or sometimes more if
>>> you're sitting in a bulkhead. That is hit or miss as some bulkheads
>>> have a wall in front of you, which I don't find to be great for us as
>>> there is no seat in front of you for the dog to slide under. Other
>>> bulkhead rows have a first class seat in front of you which gives you
>>> tons of room.
>>> 
>>> I'd definitely call and see about getting into Economy Plus.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/20, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> That is if customs doesn't get fouled up. Its 18 hours coming back from
>>>> Europe to Alaska because of Customs. It would be shorter to fly Condor
>>>> over the poles, but the operate in the summer only and go to Frankfort
>>>> instead of Amsterdam.
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/2020 8:49 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> Wow, 14-hour flights!  Non-stop?  I'm not sure Krokus could handle that.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 12:46 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users;
>>> Tracy
>>>>> Carcione
>>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>>>> 
>>>>> I fly Alaska majority of the time. Until recently, they have always put
>>>>> me in the bulkhead with my guide which is a big Golden. Now thy consider
>>>>> that Premium and I have to pay and extra 130$. Where as before there was
>>>>> no up charge. This is a new way to charge people with disabilities. Goes
>>>>> for the same with people in wheel chairs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So far flying Delta internationally, I have not run into this as long as
>>>>> you talk to accessibility desk first. I have been taking 14 hour flights
>>>>> and so far they have been very accommodating. Alaska USED to be.
>>>>> Camden and bryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> lOn 1/17/2020 7:15 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sometimes the airline's disability desk can advise you on seats. Delta
>>>>>> will put you in Comfort Plus at no additional cost if you deal with
>>>>>> their disability desk. I find that booking by telephone with them
>>>>>> after I have done my research works well and there is no additional
>>>>>> telephone booking charge. I have found them to be very helpful. We
>>>>>> need extra time for connections because Claire refuses to use the
>>>>>> indoor "parks" and they work with us to get solid break time between
>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> On 1/17/2020 9:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>>> Can one of you frequent flyers enlighten me about airline seat
>>>>>>> designations,
>>>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a seat called "economy" on a Boeing 757.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know I had plenty of room for me and Krokus in "economy+" on a
>>>>>>> commuter
>>>>>>> plane, one of those planes with maybe 80 seats.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So do I need to upgrade to "economy+" to be sure we both have some
>>>>>>> space?
>>>>>>> It's a 6 hour international flight, so I don't want to be really
>>>>>>> squashed
>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>>>>>> NAGDU:
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>>> net
>>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:23:28 -0900
>>> From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
>>> To: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>,    "NAGDU Mailing List,
>>>   the National Association of Guide Dog Users"    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>> Message-ID: <adb2b7a7-cc4c-6d2f-7518-6532e2db3f5b at alaskafrontier.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> Michael, I just booked a trip down to America from Alaska and they 
>>> wouldn't upgrade me for free. Said I had to pay extra for the premium 
>>> economy. Travel agent contacted her Rep at AK Air and they told her no 
>>> more free upgrade. Flew to Hawaii last month and had to fly in seat 11. 
>>> One row behind premium. Miserable 6 1/2 hour flight.
>>> 
>>> AK Air has always been very accommodating. Every thing has changed since 
>>> the new year. I hope you have better luck. Let me know how you make out 
>>> with them.
>>> 
>>> bryan
>>> 
>>>> On 1/22/2020 7:31 AM, Michael Forzano wrote:
>>>> Many airlines including Alaska will put a guide dog user in premium
>>>> economy for free. I fly Alaska all the time and if they tried to
>>>> charge for the seat you probably got someone who didn't know the
>>>> policy.
>>>> 
>>>> Economy is just a standard seat. Regardless of the size of the plane
>>>> that usually means 30 to 31 inches of pitch (the distance between your
>>>> seatback and the back of the seat in front of you). Economy + and
>>>> their equivalents typically have 3 extra inches, or sometimes more if
>>>> you're sitting in a bulkhead. That is hit or miss as some bulkheads
>>>> have a wall in front of you, which I don't find to be great for us as
>>>> there is no seat in front of you for the dog to slide under. Other
>>>> bulkhead rows have a first class seat in front of you which gives you
>>>> tons of room.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd definitely call and see about getting into Economy Plus.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/17/20, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> That is if customs doesn't get fouled up. Its 18 hours coming back from
>>>>> Europe to Alaska because of Customs. It would be shorter to fly Condor
>>>>> over the poles, but the operate in the summer only and go to Frankfort
>>>>> instead of Amsterdam.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/17/2020 8:49 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> Wow, 14-hour flights!  Non-stop?  I'm not sure Krokus could handle that.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry
>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 12:46 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users; Tracy
>>>>>> Carcione
>>>>>> Cc: Bryan Gearry
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airline seat designations
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I fly Alaska majority of the time. Until recently, they have always put
>>>>>> me in the bulkhead with my guide which is a big Golden. Now thy consider
>>>>>> that Premium and I have to pay and extra 130$. Where as before there was
>>>>>> no up charge. This is a new way to charge people with disabilities. Goes
>>>>>> for the same with people in wheel chairs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So far flying Delta internationally, I have not run into this as long as
>>>>>> you talk to accessibility desk first. I have been taking 14 hour flights
>>>>>> and so far they have been very accommodating. Alaska USED to be.
>>>>>> Camden and bryan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> lOn 1/17/2020 7:15 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sometimes the airline's disability desk can advise you on seats. Delta
>>>>>>> will put you in Comfort Plus at no additional cost if you deal with
>>>>>>> their disability desk. I find that booking by telephone with them
>>>>>>> after I have done my research works well and there is no additional
>>>>>>> telephone booking charge. I have found them to be very helpful. We
>>>>>>> need extra time for connections because Claire refuses to use the
>>>>>>> indoor "parks" and they work with us to get solid break time between
>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> On 1/17/2020 9:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>>>> Can one of you frequent flyers enlighten me about airline seat
>>>>>>>> designations,
>>>>>>>> maybe?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have a seat called "economy" on a Boeing 757.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I know I had plenty of room for me and Krokus in "economy+" on a
>>>>>>>> commuter
>>>>>>>> plane, one of those planes with maybe 80 seats.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So do I need to upgrade to "economy+" to be sure we both have some
>>>>>>>> space?
>>>>>>>> It's a 6 hour international flight, so I don't want to be really
>>>>>>>> squashed
>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 12:18:14 -0800
>>> From: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID:
>>>   <CAKRnMMVUZvhniD5YJmQzqnxpmoFQJE5e1AWhNuYrc0=hwO5mWw at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> 
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/notice-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation,
>>> and check in in advance of the general public so that our service
>>> animals can be observed. This is not good and very surprising
>>> considering that feedback from people with disabilities was supposedly
>>> taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file
>>> my own comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to
>>> check in an hour advance of everyone else would be a huge
>>> inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 11:53:59 -0900
>>> From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <628e4817-c2c8-c106-4f9a-608f5fa95156 at alaskafrontier.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> Wow! That is something. The idea of filing out 3 separate forms is 
>>> crazy. The forms probably have to be signed by a vet....another burden 
>>> and cost. Thanks for posting this.....Bryan
>>> 
>>>> On 1/22/2020 11:18 AM, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/notice-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>>> 
>>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation,
>>>> and check in in advance of the general public so that our service
>>>> animals can be observed. This is not good and very surprising
>>>> considering that feedback from people with disabilities was supposedly
>>>> taken into consideration.
>>>> 
>>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file
>>>> my own comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to
>>>> check in an hour advance of everyone else would be a huge
>>>> inconvenience.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 15:13:57 -0600
>>> From: "Madison Martin" <maddymartin at mymts.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] factors considered when matching a guide dog
>>> Message-ID: <003401d5d168$dceed020$96cc7060$@mymts.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just read an interesting article in a monthly guide dog newsletter that I
>>> receive from a Canadian guide dog school. It talked about what factors they
>>> consider when matching an applicant with a guide dog. Here's the link to the
>>> article:
>>> https://cnib.cmail19.com/t/d-l-xutykut-jiujfiyih-k/>
>>> If you don't want to click on the link then here's the text of the article:
>>> 
>>> Inside Scoop: Matching a guide dog with someone who is blind 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> By Ben Francis, Guide Dog Mobility Instructor, CNIB Guide Dogs
>>> 
>>> Guide Dog Mobility Instructors are often asked: "How does the matching
>>> process work, when it comes to selecting the right dog for each person?"
>>> 
>>> CNIB Guide Dogs has a pre-matching process that is completed during the
>>> interview stage, whether the applicant is replacing a previous guide dog or
>>> applying for their first one. This information is crucial because it helps
>>> us select a dog that will meet the specific needs of the individual. So,
>>> what are the key factors that we consider when matching a guide dog with
>>> someone who is blind?
>>> 
>>> Physical Compatibility - The dog should be compatible with the handler's
>>> build. A dog that is too small may have difficulty guiding a larger person.
>>> A dog that is too large may present control issues, as it can learn to use
>>> its weight to its advantage.
>>> 
>>> Temperamental Compatibility - Most of the dog's life will be spent out of
>>> harness, so it's important that the handler is compatible with the dog. The
>>> dog should be a pleasure to be around, and he or she should not be a
>>> nuisance. Some of the factors range from nervous to relaxed, excitable to
>>> calm, energetic to lethargic and adventurous to conservative.
>>> 
>>> Guiding and Following - When assessing the potential partnership for guiding
>>> the following compatibility, we look at:
>>> .the speed of the handler and the dog
>>> .the dog's willingness to accept physical contact, poor balance or an uneven
>>> gait from the handler, slow or reluctant following and variations in
>>> reflexes .the dog's sensitivity levels - body, hearing and mental
>>> sensitivities must be assessed to ensure the dog and handler are compatible.
>>> For example, a handler who is quiet with a high-energy dog may experience
>>> control issues and be ineffective.
>>> .the dog's ability to accept the handler's natural handle tension and grip
>>> .the dog's reliability when dealing with hazards, such as steps, traffic or
>>> overhead obstacles, which can pose a challenge to the handler
>>> 
>>> If handlers have a specific breed, colour, size or gender of dog that they
>>> strongly prefer, these attributes should be considered during the matching
>>> process. While specific preferences can't always be accommodated, it can
>>> often affect the handler's motivation and perseverance to build a bond and
>>> work well with the dog. However, having a specific preference may affect the
>>> wait time for receiving a match.
>>> 
>>> Partnering with a guide dog is a 50/50 relationship. As a Guide Dog Mobility
>>> Instructor, it's important to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the
>>> handler and dog to create a successful partnership.
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing that all schools consider the same factors when it comes to
>>> matching a guide dog with an approved applicant, right? Just curioyus that's
>>> all. Thanks 
>>> Madison
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:43:33 -0800
>>> From: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] New D.O.T. rules for air carriers: The comment period
>>>   is now.
>>> Message-ID: <2A8579F5-EA1F-4110-8F67-D5AB9A5B40BE at wolfskills.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> Hi friends,
>>> 
>>> I just recently came across a chat list of American Council of the Blind, and thought I?d join it as well as ours.  Within just a couple of days, I caught an important message that we should all jump on if we haven?t done so already.  New air carrier rules appear to be coming again.  We are now in a 60 day period to submit comments to D.O.T..  
>>> 
>>> Here, we have another chance to guarantee our right to privacy, and to not be hassled by officials or paperwork requirements for our properly trained working dogs.  As you?ve probably known from reading periodic messages from me, my wife and I fly with our service dogs quite regularly, and sometimes internationally.  It is only a very rare occasion that one or both of us make it through an airport without being barked at, lunged at, or snapped at by untrained dogs.  This includes right there at the boarding gate.  It also includes dogs running at us on the end of an spaced-out pet owner?s retractor leash, ten or more feet long.  Metukah has even been barked and snapped at by a dog that was being walked back the aisle, on it?s way past us to a seat inside a plane.  
>>> 
>>> This is an opportunity to back up the currrent proposal to ban emotional support dogs, which are untrained dogs.  It also requires that Psychiatric service dogs be trained as service dogs, to recognize them as service dogs.  This one is oh so important to give back up for our population of veterans and others who really need to work together with a service dog.  
>>> 
>>> This message, as I am forwarding it in entirety, came from Robert Acosta, President of Helping Hands for the Blind.  
>>> 
>>> To make commenting to D.O.T. easier, I am pasting the link right here before Robert?s message:
>>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7061146.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D84Em28S1K9SvtzcUtu04EjIEcmiyGbqunebI5gGhYlLe-2D2Fs3CKCSsNSpLkU9RsvGM-5FbNEKEfMLbW4STh-2D2FCH5VlJQP-2D2Ft3HecdBKmsOYZM786v5iD2V-2D2FLJ7QajvJSSJ-2D2FhGJ102x6iLCZ8X6Ea2DnNsw9N97-2D2FGD2rf8gl9cxJy-2D2Bp0-2D2FzuMsuRMU7UCGXZptk5v2NuGM7S21EXSNckBBD5ddBJHBV-2D2FRSAnf2fBXo2h2VEz4XBE0kj6HSDcdUC6UOh7IboF7wPABACuF-2D2FZNr59Tv32zPd0mxQb4LYpz36vTWsZ8y7Qy7yvfLTd1e-2D2Bqu-2D2F0Y19WwlVyLhLQ9H-2D2FrSeorDXZNF9RFWTA1V0BwNkm22Eclyh1qC6lfom8N-2D2BF9OHu-2D2FmdANYI7x8zq9H6ACa9tXGyn0XKGUmA-2D3D-2D3D&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=3LF4vFr5Vo3tqSdHmFCogBcm48QeA2xit8pga3lGIu0&e=>, docket number DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Below, Robert?s message:
>>> 
>>> As I am sure many of your have already heard, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has just put out a notice of proposed rule-making (NPRM) concerning bringing service animals on airplanes. Most of us know that in past years, airlines have put into place frustrating and illegal policies on what we have to do before we can bring our guide dogs onto planes. Our national office has done a lot of work to explain the negative repercussions of such policies. The FAA has also addressed this problem and put out a favorable Final Statement in the summer of 2019; the corresponding ACB press release is available at: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/acb-commends-dot-faa-on-final-statement-of-enforcement-priorities-regarding-service-animals-300899609.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.prnewswire.com_news-2Dreleases_acb-2Dcommends-2Ddot-2Dfaa-2Don-2Dfinal-2Dstatement-2Dof-2Denforcement-2Dpriorities-2Dregarding-2Dservice-2Danimals-2D300899609.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=m9nNXuj1erIiIHGm7wn7HU4MOyJJUdc8C_krS91v6MU&e=>. This issue is so significant to our community that ACB has passed resolutions on the topic for several years; these resolutions  are available at: 
>>> 
>>> 2013-05: https://acb.org/resolutions2013 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2013&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=XV1Hcq1bFs7ybHnAu3OTK4M3JV0j5o85rMNCzyrCvAo&e=>
>>> 2014-01: https://acb.org/resolutions2014 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2014&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=L--qmGY6DdL7W10aNv8zA2_hFUVwueUX1pwwReBxsPo&e=>
>>> 2016-14: https://acb.org/resolutions2016 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2016&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=rJcHHpKJ8WfW3YJEUlotZI45Ms7_F-bbP9CVPBF8HDI&e=>
>>> 2017-05: https://acb.org/resolutions2017 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2017&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=diYksYxofwFmdxTcreaNgYUm0yZ52S1ncNSCBQZcF8A&e=>
>>> 2018-10: https://acb.org/resolutions2018 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__acb.org_resolutions2018&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=qYUrU8uT-7EHlkldq7zV8nEQwGPoYX5cWxpzBwMUvAE&e=>
>>> 
>>> Today, the FAA announced a NPRM to get feedback from Americans on what federal regulations on bringing service animals on planes should look like. Some of the questions concern whether documentation should be required, if service animals should be limited to dogs, and if emotional support animals should be included. The FAA has allowed 60 days to file public comments once the NPRM is published in the Federal Register. The national office will review the NPRM carefully and work with ACB affiliates, committees and members to draft comments. We will share more information as it becomes available and assist members with filing their own comments. In the meantime, please read the below information from the FAA. Please contact me via email, cstanley at acb.org <mailto:cstanley at acb.org>,  if you have any questions or comments related to this issue.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments to Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>>> 
>>> 
>>> WASHINGTON ? The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced that it is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service animals by air.  
>>> 
>>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with Service Animals can be found HERE <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7061146.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3DG62jSYfZdO-2D2F12d8lSllQB1Pau57J7mutu8qMxbAmFNW8zX08wQF00Dih4keb-2D2BD2VGl-2D2B4bSzziSg2aAe4Wg99OD9E8rZDhigAO2Y4faIVyHJ-2D2BXcnNp08vHPEEi97GvemuHLk4ma-2D2F8yiCVD-2D2BWB2q81XzSUWjYFNfFoDO9hoMdmMJRq65x1KtMYvg7q1oWhMswq-5FbNEKEfMLbW4STh-2D2FCH5VlJQP-2D2Ft3HecdBKmsOYZM786v5iD2V-2D2FLJ7QajvJSSJ-2D2FhGJ102x6iLCZ8X6Ea2DnNsw9N97-2D2FGD2rf8gl9cxJy-2D2Bp0-2D2FzuMsuRMU7UCGXZptk5v2NuGM7S21EXSNckBBD5ddBJHBV-2D2FRSAnf2fBXo2h2VEz4XBE0kj6HSDcdUC6UOh7IboF71mYyEcoRig1gnlF2qyf2B0OlD08n3vooQV857I4sh6gKGTCeQarhhW-2D2BRDqbypNzsHtD1SCHqyU2BfzPOm5CIVO0UrO30FmAFE8Ngz3rcFwqYpwK8GTMqPqVFQv3-2D2FubMxtbBfNJtZg2ODEmk6yaTG2w-2D3D-2D3D&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=EQN5NK5yyu92Zser5_lYIO8IRGRV2MoSXBlven1gHNo&e=> and provides the public with 60 days to comment on the proposed changes.
>>> 
>>> Today?s NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air transportation system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals with disabilities, airlines, flight attendants, airports, other aviation transportation stakeholders, and other members of the public, regarding service animals on aircraft. The Department recognizes the integral role that service animals play in the lives of many individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure that individuals with disabilities can continue using their service animals while also reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with their pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service animals. 
>>> 
>>> The NPRM proposes to: 
>>> 
>>> ?       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>>> 
>>> ?       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service animal;
>>> 
>>> ?       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals as other service animals;
>>> 
>>> ?       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a service animal?s good behavior, certifying the service animal?s good health, and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal has the ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in a sanitary manner;
>>> 
>>> ?       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour prior to the travel time required for the general public to ensure sufficient time to process the service animal documentation and observe the animal;
>>> 
>>> ?       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>>> 
>>> ?       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling with a single passenger with a disability to two service animals; 
>>> 
>>> ?       Allow airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler?s foot space on the aircraft;
>>> 
>>> ?       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its handler;
>>> 
>>> ?       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat to the health or safety of others; and
>>> 
>>> ?       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a service animal solely on the basis of breed.
>>> 
>>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7061146.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D84Em28S1K9SvtzcUtu04EjIEcmiyGbqunebI5gGhYlLe-2D2Fs3CKCSsNSpLkU9RsvGM-5FbNEKEfMLbW4STh-2D2FCH5VlJQP-2D2Ft3HecdBKmsOYZM786v5iD2V-2D2FLJ7QajvJSSJ-2D2FhGJ102x6iLCZ8X6Ea2DnNsw9N97-2D2FGD2rf8gl9cxJy-2D2Bp0-2D2FzuMsuRMU7UCGXZptk5v2NuGM7S21EXSNckBBD5ddBJHBV-2D2FRSAnf2fBXo2h2VEz4XBE0kj6HSDcdUC6UOh7IboF7wPABACuF-2D2FZNr59Tv32zPd0mxQb4LYpz36vTWsZ8y7Qy7yvfLTd1e-2D2Bqu-2D2F0Y19WwlVyLhLQ9H-2D2FrSeorDXZNF9RFWTA1V0BwNkm22Eclyh1qC6lfom8N-2D2BF9OHu-2D2FmdANYI7x8zq9H6ACa9tXGyn0XKGUmA-2D3D-2D3D&d=DwMGaQ&c=tq9bLrSQ8zIr87VusnUS9yAL0Jw_xnDiPuZjNR4EDIQ&r=o4pfTHNp-KfIpwz64lErf3vs7IAYwoKNdxvUmEUWMz8&m=653iRrvxcwP3Hge_dd9qpu5rKtRhLwXcj2zDa7xZMhw&s=3LF4vFr5Vo3tqSdHmFCogBcm48QeA2xit8pga3lGIu0&e=>, docket number DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank You,
>>> Claire
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Claire Stanley
>>> Advocacy and Outreach Specialist
>>> American Council of the Blind
>>> 1703 N Beauregard Street, Suite 420
>>> Alexandria, VA 22311
>>> (T) 202-467-5081
>>> (F) 703-465-5085
>>> Learn more about us at www.acb.org <http://www.acb.org/>
>>> Follow us on Twitter at @acbnational
>>> Like us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/AmericanCounciloftheBlindOfficial <http://www.facebook.com/AmericanCounciloftheBlindOfficial>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Robert Acosta, President  Helping Hands for the Blind  Phone: (818) 9980044  www.helpinghands4theblind.net <http://www.helpinghands4theblind.net/>
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 17:38:29 -0500
>>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <004301d5d174$ac02bdd0$04083970$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>> airplanes
>>> 
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
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>>> com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:54:20 -0600
>>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <009001d5d198$6992cc00$3cb86400$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Mike, for the benefit of those who aren't as familiar as youconcerning
>>> finding the information we are to look at, please send the text of the
>>> Notice of Rules Making. This link did not seem to go there, or at least I
>>> personally need more information. When I clicked on it, it said Notice of
>>> Rules making, but all that was there was a search form. I will look again,
>>> but it would be helpful if you sent it.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 2:18 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>> airplanes
>>> 
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:56:00 -0600
>>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <009101d5d198$a4ed31a0$eec794e0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Mike, I just found them I think, and I will send them to the list. Sorry for
>>> presuming the link was wrong because I didn't find it right off. *smile
>>> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 2:18 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>> airplanes
>>> 
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: piper foster <fosterpiper at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <727006419.10580503.1579749310958 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> The provisions of these proposed rules do?not sound like they?re?designed to protect the rights of those with disabilities, contrary to the assertion in the document, itself. Rather, it sounds like a policy to keep as many individuals with disabilities who travel with a service animal off the airlines, entirely.?
>>> What, do we still make some people uncomfortable by our very presence among them? I?d almost think so, after reading the section about what Congress has directed be looked into as methods of ?vetting? every type of service animal whose partner wishes to fly with them. Some of these are:
>>> (1) photo identification for service animals;(2) training documentation;(3) medical documentation indication the tasks the animal performs to assist its user, and(4) whether more than one service animal should be permitted (per person).
>>> Other considerations to be part of the new rules are things like requiring?health and vaccination records for service animals,?third-party proof of behavior training for service animals, and almost as if an afterthought, Congress directs the committee to??consider the impact of additional requirements on passengers with disabilities traveling with service animals and ways to eliminate or mitigate those impacts.?
>>> A?final rule on service animals must be issued, under the Congressional directive,?no later than March 22, 2020.
>>> What I learned from this is that Congress has oversight of the FAA and thus controls the ultimate direction in which the ACAA will go. I fear the ability of owner-trainers to fly with their service animals may be nearing an end, because I?d also suspect the voices of certain large organizations like ADI will have a substantial impact on this rulemaking.
>>> I hope I?m reading this all?wrong, but I suspect I?m not.?
>>> Piper
>>> 
>>> Trimmed content for length
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:19:51 -0600
>>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <00bd01d5d19b$f9d8d1d0$ed8a7570$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Well, I never saw the whole form. 
>>> Cindy Lou
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:38 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>> airplanes
>>> 
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:23:47 -0500
>>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <00ae01d5d19c$86781e20$93685a60$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Here is the direct link for anyone who needs it.
>>> https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=DOT-OST-2018-0068
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:20 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> Well, I never saw the whole form. 
>>> Cindy Lou
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:38 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>> airplanes
>>> 
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:28:12 -0600
>>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <010201d5d19d$2495b7c0$6dc12740$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Maybe tomorrow will be better. Jordan, I did go to this link, and when I
>>> went to the docket of documents I got an error message. Apparently others
>>> are having better luck with this than I am. May have to do it on my phone.
>>> LOL.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:24 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> Here is the direct link for anyone who needs it.
>>> https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=DOT-OST-2018-0068
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:20 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: cindyray at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> Well, I never saw the whole form. 
>>> Cindy Lou
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:38 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> I will be commenting as well as soon as I figure out how to.  Jaws is being
>>> stupid on my computer at the moment and I can find nowhere to comment.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Forzano via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 3:18 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service animals on
>>> airplanes
>>> 
>>> Not sure who all has seen this yet but DOT has released an NPRM today
>>> regarding changes to the ACAA.
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> It appears to allow airlines to require that we present documentation, and
>>> check in in advance of the general public so that our service animals can be
>>> observed. This is not good and very surprising considering that feedback
>>> from people with disabilities was supposedly taken into consideration.
>>> 
>>> Will be interested to hear how NAGDU plans to respond. I plan to file my own
>>> comments personally. I travel 1-2 times per month and having to check in an
>>> hour advance of everyone else would be a huge inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:45:04 -0500
>>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <98175189-F285-4908-ADFE-3C0FAB310BE8 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it cannot handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally get it to show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket number it would not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:03:21 -0600
>>> From: <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <010d01d5d1a2$0d67c7f0$283757d0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed how
>>> they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>> animals on airplanes
>>> 
>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it cannot
>>> handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally get it to
>>> show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket number it would
>>> not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 17
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 22:09:45 -0600
>>> From: Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID:
>>>   <CAOz8cXkwQa7hozRNF9qN7ibsZ+L4rJbp+Z9YLEB4eD-pBi0hoA at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> 
>>> Hello cindy, I was able to download the PDF of the nprm. Can I send it as
>>> an attachment to this list? Also, it looks like over 600 comments were
>>> submitted thus far. There are links on the site to tweet or post on social
>>> media. I've only read a few paragraphs, but the two things that stand out
>>> so far to me are that the DOT wants to classify emotional support animals
>>> as pets and that anyone with a disability must complete a form attesting to
>>> the good health of their dogs. I thought we were successful in stopping
>>> this practice with the airlines.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:05 PM Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Oh, good grief. Anyway, I have seen enough to know that I am impressed how
>>>> they want us safe and the airlines not inconvenienced.
>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:45 PM
>>>> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordangandoliver at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>> animals on airplanes
>>>> 
>>>> My best guess is there are a ton of people trying to comment and it cannot
>>>> handle all the traffic. It took me around two hours to finally get it to
>>>> show up properly. And even when I searched for the docket number it would
>>>> not even find it until a couple hours ago.
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Elizabeth Campbell
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 18
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:38:44 -0800
>>> From: <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <011d01d5d1a6$ff02d650$fd0882f0$@gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone- I have pasted the DOT proposed regulations below my
>>> signature.  
>>> 
>>> Tina Thomas -President-CAGDU-NFBCA 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments to
>>> Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced that it
>>> is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air Carrier Access
>>> Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service animals by air.  
>>> 
>>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with Service
>>> Animals can be found HERE and provides the public with 60 days to comment on
>>> the proposed changes.
>>> 
>>> Today's NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air transportation
>>> system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals with disabilities,
>>> airlines, flight attendants, airports, other aviation transportation
>>> stakeholders, and other members of the public, regarding service animals on
>>> aircraft. The Department recognizes the integral role that service animals
>>> play in the lives of many individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure
>>> that individuals with disabilities can continue using their service animals
>>> while also reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with
>>> their pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service
>>> animals. 
>>> 
>>> The NPRM proposes to: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to do
>>> work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>>> 
>>> *       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service
>>> animal;
>>> 
>>> *       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and
>>> require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals as
>>> other service animals;
>>> 
>>> *       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a
>>> service animal's good behavior, certifying the service animal's good health,
>>> and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal has the
>>> ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in a sanitary
>>> manner;
>>> 
>>> *       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are
>>> traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour prior to
>>> the travel time required for the general public to ensure sufficient time to
>>> process the service animal documentation and observe the animal;
>>> 
>>> *       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service
>>> animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>>> 
>>> *       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling with
>>> a single passenger with a disability to two service animals *       Allow
>>> airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler's foot space
>>> on the aircraft;
>>> 
>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be
>>> harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its handler;
>>> 
>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service
>>> animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat to
>>> the health or safety of others; and
>>> 
>>> *       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a service
>>> animal solely on the basis of breed.
>>> 
>>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice
>>> is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov, docket number
>>> DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 19
>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 00:28:03 -0500
>>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Notice of Proposed Rule-Making regarding service
>>>   animals on airplanes
>>> Message-ID: <6059b735.ff7c.49b2.a940.cfaf7695e667 at samobile.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>> 
>>> Original It seems to me, that we go over the same things over and over.
>>> One thinks all got settled, to have the hog wash brought up again.
>>> We have done well to solve problems, where I feel the schools should 
>>> jump in as well.
>>> I don't feel they care, meaning once you get your dog, what bridges you 
>>> cross are your bridges.
>>> Now I could be missing a step, where I don't feel I am.
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>> message:
>>>> Hello Everyone- I have pasted the DOT proposed regulations below my
>>>> signature.
>>> 
>>>> Tina Thomas -President-CAGDU-NFBCA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/noti
>>>> ce-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> U.S. Department of Transportation Seeks Comment on Proposed Amendments to
>>>> Regulation of Service Animals on Flights
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Transportation today announced that it
>>>> is seeking public comment on proposed amendments to its Air Carrier Access
>>>> Act (ACAA) regulation on the transportation of service animals by air.
>>> 
>>>> The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) on Traveling by Air with Service
>>>> Animals can be found HERE and provides the public with 60 days to comment on
>>>> the proposed changes.
>>> 
>>>> Today's NPRM is intended to ensure a safe and accessible air transportation
>>>> system. It addresses concerns raised by individuals with disabilities,
>>>> airlines, flight attendants, airports, other aviation transportation
>>>> stakeholders, and other members of the public, regarding service animals on
>>>> aircraft. The Department recognizes the integral role that service animals
>>>> play in the lives of many individuals with disabilities and wants to ensure
>>>> that individuals with disabilities can continue using their service animals
>>>> while also reducing the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with
>>>> their pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim their pets are service
>>>> animals.
>>> 
>>>> The NPRM proposes to:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> *       Define a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to do
>>>> work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;
>>> 
>>>> *       No longer consider an emotional support animal to be a service
>>>> animal;
>>> 
>>>> *       Consider a psychiatric service animal to be a service animal and
>>>> require the same training and treatment of psychiatric service animals as
>>>> other service animals;
>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to require forms developed by DOT attesting to a
>>>> service animal's good behavior, certifying the service animal's good health,
>>>> and if taking a long flight attesting that the service animal has the
>>>> ability to either not relieve itself, or can relieve itself in a sanitary
>>>> manner;
>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to require passengers with a disability who are
>>>> traveling with a service animal to check-in at the airport one hour prior to
>>>> the travel time required for the general public to ensure sufficient time to
>>>> process the service animal documentation and observe the animal;
>>> 
>>>> *       Require airlines to promptly check-in passengers with service
>>>> animals who are subject to an advanced check-in process;
>>> 
>>>> *       Allow airlines to limit the number of service animals traveling with
>>>> a single passenger with a disability to two service animals *       Allow
>>>> airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler's foot space
>>>> on the aircraft;
>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to require that service animals be
>>>> harnessed, leashed, tethered, or otherwise under the control of its handler;
>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to allow airlines to refuse transportation to service
>>>> animals that exhibit aggressive behavior and that pose a direct threat to
>>>> the health or safety of others; and
>>> 
>>>> *       Continue to prohibit airlines from refusing to transport a service
>>>> animal solely on the basis of breed.
>>> 
>>>> Comments on the NPRM must be received within 60 days of the date the notice
>>>> is published.  The NPRM can be found at regulations.gov, docket number
>>>> DOT-OST-2018-0068.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> 
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