[NAGDU] Reminder - ASAP Webinar Tonight

Jordan Gallacher jordangandoliver at gmail.com
Fri Apr 9 02:24:31 UTC 2021


I also disagree completely with Cindy.

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> On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:43 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well Cindy, I certainly disagree with you. I don't have any questions.
> 
> 1. I did not post this on Marion's behalf. I posted it under my own volition on behalf of fellow members of our group who may be interested in ownership issues in light of the myriad stories we have heard about inappropriate actions by some guide dog schools and how we can protect ourselves from these problems. These stories have come from many members over the years. It is my belief that fear of losing their dogs is the number one reason that guide dog handlers do not bring serious problems back to their schools.
> 
> If members start worrying about whether someone else could have posted something they want to say to other members, such as a reminder about an important webinar, then we would be a sorry group of folks. Trust me, Cindy, Marion did not ask me to post the reminder about tonight's ASAP webinar.
> 
> 2. I have no evidence of Marion flaming the board. I do know that he and other members have opinions that differ from some who are on the board. It would be a sad day if we couldn't talk about our different opinions. There is nothing in the notice that I sent out that is disrespectful of anyone, or anything. Just because Marion said something and is also the contact person for ASAP does not make the ideas presented and the topics toxic, confrontational, or evil.
> 
> You would do great harm to NAGDU by stifling educational information that you don't agree with, or blocking information because it could have been posted by someone with whom you don't agree.
> 
> I have been, and will continue to be, an active and supportive member of our organization. No, I will not cooperate with you in this matter by agreeing to run a private dialogue on what is a completely respectful and normal communication.
> 
> Frankly, I find your note inappropriate and disrespectful. I certainly could have let you know that Marion had no involvement in my reminder about the meeting tonight had you asked.
> 
> *David in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> *
> *
>> On 4/8/2021 2:12 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
>> Good afternoon to all,
>> David and all, this message is not appropriate for this list. Here are two reasons why:
>> 1) Marion is still on this list; therefore, he could have posted it himself. He did not choose to do so. You should not be posting it on his behalf. If someone wants a message posted on their behalf and feels they can’t post it, they need to contact me and ask me to send it for them, or they need to go ahead and post it if they are on this list.
>> Second, Marion has been flaming the board, criticizing what we are doing. Marion has resigned from the National Federation of the Blind. Had he not done so, it is possible we could have worked out all of the issues that have been created. Therefore, I would ask that you post no further messages on his behalf.
>> Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. If you have questions, please contact me privately.
>> Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
>> Cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> Cindy Lou
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Apr 8, 2021, at 12:01 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Check out the Webinar with ASAP* tonight at 8 PM EDT
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here is the official notice:
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> "The widespread publicity about the recent repossession of a nearly ten-year-old guide dog by a guide dog training program has left many wondering how they are protected from such arbitrary, unwarranted intrusion in their lives. Most admit they have never read the contract and wonder what 
> they might have agreed to. Others are applying to training programs and want to know what the contract says before beginning training. Everyone wants to know how they can protect themselves if this ever happens to them!"
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 8:00 p.m. Eastern (7:00 p.m. Central; 6:00 p.m. Mountain; & 5:00 p.m. Pacific), Advocates for Service Animal Partners (ASAP) will host an informative webinar entitled, “Before You Sign on the dotted Line: Understanding your training program contract”. This interactive discussion will be facilitated by Marion Gwizdala, featuring Cody Davis, a blind attorney and guide dog user. Topics will 
> include
>>> 
>>> *”I signed what?” – The importance of reading the contract before you start your training
>>> 
>>> *”Does it really say that?” – Troubling clauses from real contracts
>>> 
>>> *”Possession is 9/10 of the law!” – It’s easier to keep what you have than to get what you don’t
>>> 
>>> *””Is it really mine?” – An overview of property rights
>>> 
>>> *”What can the cops do?” – Contract enforcement or criminal trespassing
>>> 
>>> During the webinar we will offer opportunities to ask questions. You can submit your questions in advance by sending your question to
>>> 
>>> Blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:Blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> 
>>>  With “Webinar Question” in the subject line. We will 
> also offer opportunities to ask spontaneous questions by text or email during the webinar. Space is limited on a first come/first in basis. The information provided during this seminar is intended as informal guidance only and should not be construed as legal advice. To join the webinar, please select one of the following:
>>> 
>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>> 
>>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85150236813?pwd=MUJBUldWbmNpL3dkb05wckhrQVJlQT09<https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85150236813?pwd=MUJBUldWbmNpL3dkb05wckhrQVJlQT09>
>>> 
>>>  Meeting ID: 851 5023 6813
>>> 
>>> Passcode: 646360
>>> 
>>>  One tap mobile
>>> 
>>> +13017158592,,85150236813#,,,,*646360# US (Washington DC)
>>> 
>>> +13126266799,,85150236813#,,,,*646360# US (Chicago)
>>> 
>>> Dial by your location
>>> 
>>>         +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
>>> 
>>>         +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
>>> 
>>>         +1 646 558 8656 US (New York)
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>>>         +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Meeting ID: 851 5023 6813
>>> 
>>> Passcode: 646360
>>> 
>>>                * Advocates for Service Animal Partners (ASAP) is an expanding nationwide network of service animal advocates. Our goal is to encourage, educate, and support service animal handlers through printed and electronic publications, Informational webinars, recorded educational materials, and direct advocacy support, intervention, and mediation. In support of this mission, we also seek to educate employers, governmental entities, private companies, housing accommodations, and the airline industry about the rights, responsibilities, and limitations of Service animal access under state and federal law. In addition, Advocates for Service Animal Partners intends to influence public policy and laws affecting disabled individuals who use service animals through the strengthening of state laws concerning access and removing barriers to that access.  If you would like to join our advocacy network and stay informed on the issues affecting service animal partners and the effort of ASAP, please send an email message to
>>> 
>>> blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> 
>>> Watch for our social media launch in early April and the ASAP Hotline in June!
>>> 
>>> Advocates for Service animal Partners (ASAP)
>>> 
>>> (813) 626-2789
>>> 
>>> Blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:Blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> 
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> 
>>> (813) 626-2789
>>> 
>>> Blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:Blind411 at verizon.net>
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