From carcione at access.net Fri Dec 3 12:30:10 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:30:10 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date Message-ID: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store some time in training. Good practice. By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to get out the longjohns. Tracy From jeninems at icloud.com Fri Dec 3 12:40:19 2021 From: jeninems at icloud.com (Jenine Stanley) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:40:19 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: Hi Tracy, Congrats! I was just thinking about that class and wondering myself. I was in a winter class for my last dog, different school but hey, winter class is winter class, right? Right. I was at GDF in 2015, arguably one of the worst winters recently. The beginning of January was fine but by the time we got there, 21 inches of snow the first day of class, followed by progressively equal amounts every other day or so. Oh yeah, and cold and ice. You can thank me later for getting you so excited about class. ? Layers. Yes, layers. Lots of socks as they get wet easily. Good boots and several pairs of gloves. That was my first class with full-on food rewards and my hands were so chapped from cold and constant washing to get the dog food smell off. Lighter cotton gloves under your other gloves help. I personally like to wear mittens so I?d do the glove under the mitten. Neck gators also help, those kind of extended turtle neck things that help hold the heat in around your neck. All the best to you during class. Jenine > On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. > > For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I > doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for > him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good > energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that > instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can > sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. > > I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I > have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. > > The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in > my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store > and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough > for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store > some time in training. Good practice. > > By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter > classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to > get out the longjohns. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com From carcione at access.net Fri Dec 3 12:44:02 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:44:02 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: <004701d7e843$73bd2ef0$5b378cd0$@access.net> Hi Jeanine. Thanks for reminding me to bring extra gloves/mittens. And, as a knitter, I have lots of cowls and scarves. Are you still waiting to get a new dog? You've been on the list quite a while, as I'm sure I don't have to remind you. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 7:40 AM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jenine Stanley Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Class date Hi Tracy, Congrats! I was just thinking about that class and wondering myself. I was in a winter class for my last dog, different school but hey, winter class is winter class, right? Right. I was at GDF in 2015, arguably one of the worst winters recently. The beginning of January was fine but by the time we got there, 21 inches of snow the first day of class, followed by progressively equal amounts every other day or so. Oh yeah, and cold and ice. You can thank me later for getting you so excited about class. ? Layers. Yes, layers. Lots of socks as they get wet easily. Good boots and several pairs of gloves. That was my first class with full-on food rewards and my hands were so chapped from cold and constant washing to get the dog food smell off. Lighter cotton gloves under your other gloves help. I personally like to wear mittens so I?d do the glove under the mitten. Neck gators also help, those kind of extended turtle neck things that help hold the heat in around your neck. All the best to you during class. Jenine > On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. > > For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I > doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for > him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good > energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that > instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can > sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. > > I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I > have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. > > The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in > my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store > and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough > for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store > some time in training. Good practice. > > By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter > classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to > get out the longjohns. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net Fri Dec 3 12:45:55 2021 From: albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net (Al Sten-Clanton) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:45:55 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: Hi, Tracy!? Congrats, and I wish you a great class. I have no special advice for winter classes, though my last one in 2018 was in March and full of stormy weather.? Of course, with the hassles of Covid-19 protocols, you're likely to have more nuisances than I did by far, but I'd guess it will feel worth the trouble once you and the new dog get rocking and rolling. Al On 12/3/21 07:30, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. > > For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I > doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for > him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good > energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that > instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can > sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. > > I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I > have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. > > The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in > my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store > and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough > for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store > some time in training. Good practice. > > By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter > classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to > get out the longjohns. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/albert.e.sten_clanton%40verizon.net From jeninems at icloud.com Fri Dec 3 12:51:42 2021 From: jeninems at icloud.com (Jenine Stanley) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:51:42 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <004701d7e843$73bd2ef0$5b378cd0$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> <004701d7e843$73bd2ef0$5b378cd0$@access.net> Message-ID: <121F5044-B5ED-4708-89CA-3E025D84CBDE@icloud.com> Hi tracy, Yeah, it?s been a wait but I knew going in it would be. I?m asking for some fairly specific things and said I was willing to wait for the right dog. I?m not even counting 2020 as that was the pandemic year and even though TSE started back up in the late summer, They were not going to be able to meet my needs/requests. That said, my sister got in this past spring but she had no breed preference and a fairly relaxed lifestyle. We shall see, but I?m hoping for something soon. I was told that in the last few classes they didn?t have a dog that was fast enough for me. I?ll take that as it?s so much easier to slow down a fast one than to speed up a slow one. > On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:44 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > Hi Jeanine. > Thanks for reminding me to bring extra gloves/mittens. And, as a knitter, I have lots of cowls and scarves. > Are you still waiting to get a new dog? You've been on the list quite a while, as I'm sure I don't have to remind you. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley via NAGDU > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 7:40 AM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: Jenine Stanley > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Class date > > Hi Tracy, > > Congrats! > > I was just thinking about that class and wondering myself. > > I was in a winter class for my last dog, different school but hey, winter class is winter class, right? Right. > > I was at GDF in 2015, arguably one of the worst winters recently. The beginning of January was fine but by the time we got there, 21 inches of snow the first day of class, followed by progressively equal amounts every other day or so. Oh yeah, and cold and ice. You can thank me later for getting you so excited about class. ? > > Layers. Yes, layers. Lots of socks as they get wet easily. Good boots and several pairs of gloves. That was my first class with full-on food rewards and my hands were so chapped from cold and constant washing to get the dog food smell off. Lighter cotton gloves under your other gloves help. I personally like to wear mittens so I?d do the glove under the mitten. Neck gators also help, those kind of extended turtle neck things that help hold the heat in around your neck. > > All the best to you during class. > > Jenine > >> On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: >> >> I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. >> >> For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I >> doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for >> him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good >> energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that >> instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can >> sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. >> >> I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I >> have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. >> >> The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in >> my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store >> and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough >> for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store >> some time in training. Good practice. >> >> By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter >> classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to >> get out the longjohns. >> >> Tracy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com From mmetzger1 at nycap.rr.com Fri Dec 3 13:38:23 2021 From: mmetzger1 at nycap.rr.com (Mary Metzger) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 08:38:23 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <121F5044-B5ED-4708-89CA-3E025D84CBDE@icloud.com> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> <004701d7e843$73bd2ef0$5b378cd0$@access.net> <121F5044-B5ED-4708-89CA-3E025D84CBDE@icloud.com> Message-ID: <000c01d7e84b$0b61d0b0$22257210$@nycap.rr.com> Congratulations, Tracy. I did home training (in Albany, New York) in January and attended the March, 2015 class at The Seeing Eye. If you have a packable waterproof coat you may also want to include it, just in case the snow becomes rain. I also like to work my dogs using fingerless gloves, which have a mitten flap that covers the tops of your fingers; I find that these gloves keep my hands warm but that it is also easy to flip the top back quickly when necessary. Mary Beth Metzger From jeninems at icloud.com Fri Dec 3 14:08:11 2021 From: jeninems at icloud.com (Jenine Stanley) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:08:11 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <000c01d7e84b$0b61d0b0$22257210$@nycap.rr.com> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> <004701d7e843$73bd2ef0$5b378cd0$@access.net> <121F5044-B5ED-4708-89CA-3E025D84CBDE@icloud.com> <000c01d7e84b$0b61d0b0$22257210$@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <2A97DFB8-D49B-47EF-B89D-27F9C0500271@icloud.com> Hi Mary Beth, I forgot about what I call shooting gloves but some people and companies call driving gloves. Left mine at home during my winter class and regretted it hugely. I did use them once home though and they are a great investment. > On Dec 3, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Mary Metzger via NAGDU wrote: > > Congratulations, Tracy. I did home training (in Albany, New York) in January and attended the March, 2015 class at The Seeing Eye. If you have a packable waterproof coat you may also want to include it, just in case the snow becomes rain. I also like to work my dogs using fingerless gloves, which have a mitten flap that covers the tops of your fingers; I find that these gloves keep my hands warm but that it is also easy to flip the top back quickly when necessary. > > > Mary Beth Metzger > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com From sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 3 14:29:56 2021 From: sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net (sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:29:56 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: <03e101d7e852$3f9dafa0$bed90ee0$@sbcglobal.net> Tracy, CONGRATULATIONS! Think layers. Turtle necks you can wear under a sweater. I like the heavier sweat pants I bought from Land's End, in black, for maximum sun warmth. All the best to you and your upcoming pup! Susan -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 7:30 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Class date I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store some time in training. Good practice. By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to get out the longjohns. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sblanjones11%40sbcglobal. net From batescampbell at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 14:30:29 2021 From: batescampbell at gmail.com (Elizabeth Campbell) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 08:30:29 -0600 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: Tracy, best of luck to you in class. On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 6:31 AM Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. > > For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I > doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for > him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good > energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that > instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can > sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. > > I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I > have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. > > The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in > my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store > and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough > for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store > some time in training. Good practice. > > By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about > winter > classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have > to > get out the longjohns. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/batescampbell%40gmail.com > -- Elizabeth Campbell From sherry.gomes at outlook.com Fri Dec 3 15:49:32 2021 From: sherry.gomes at outlook.com (Sherry Gomes) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 15:49:32 +0000 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: Congratulations! How exciting. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 5:30 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Class date I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store some time in training. Good practice. By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to get out the longjohns. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sherry.gomes%40outlook.com From csgclose at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 16:03:09 2021 From: csgclose at gmail.com (Catherine Clegg) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 11:03:09 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: <350AFFD1-2E58-4F85-9BF5-3EA7C69D104A@gmail.com> I was in the snowy February class when we got thirty inches of snow. no more winter classes for me. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:31 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > ?I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. > > For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I > doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for > him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good > energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that > instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can > sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. > > I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I > have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. > > The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in > my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store > and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough > for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store > some time in training. Good practice. > > By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter > classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to > get out the longjohns. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/csgclose%40gmail.com From sheila.leigland at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 16:18:51 2021 From: sheila.leigland at gmail.com (Sheila) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:18:51 -0700 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: congratulations that is great news. On 12/3/2021 7:30 AM, Elizabeth Campbell via NAGDU wrote: > Tracy, best of luck to you in class. > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 6:31 AM Tracy Carcione via NAGDU > wrote: > >> I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. >> >> For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I >> doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for >> him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good >> energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that >> instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can >> sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. >> >> I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I >> have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. >> >> The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in >> my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store >> and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough >> for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store >> some time in training. Good practice. >> >> By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about >> winter >> classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have >> to >> get out the longjohns. >> >> Tracy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NAGDU: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/batescampbell%40gmail.com >> > From maddymartin at mymts.net Fri Dec 3 16:36:02 2021 From: maddymartin at mymts.net (maddymartin at mymts.net) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 10:36:02 -0600 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: How exciting, can't wait to hear all about your new partner!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: December 3, 2021 6:30 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Class date I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store some time in training. Good practice. By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to get out the longjohns. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/maddymartin%40mymts.net From singingmywayin at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 19:24:49 2021 From: singingmywayin at gmail.com (Danielle Ledet) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 13:24:49 -0600 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: Tracy, so happy for you. Wishing you all the best. On 12/3/21, Madison Martin via NAGDU wrote: > How exciting, can't wait to hear all about your new partner!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via > NAGDU > Sent: December 3, 2021 6:30 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: [NAGDU] Class date > > I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. > > For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I > doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for > him to > live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good energy, for > a > while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that instead he gets > to > go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can sniff everything, > pee > whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. > > I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I > have > to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. > > The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in > my > room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store and > pick > up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough for the > whole > time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store some time in > training. Good practice. > > By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about > winter > classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to > get > out the longjohns. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/maddymartin%40mymts.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/singingmywayin%40gmail.com > -- How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these. George Washington Carver Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com From dpm51 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 3 19:27:05 2021 From: dpm51 at earthlink.net (Don Marr) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 14:27:05 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: <038301d7e87b$c1e99090$45bcb1b0$@earthlink.net> Good luck, Tracy, don -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Danielle Ledet via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 2:25 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Danielle Ledet Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Class date Tracy, so happy for you. Wishing you all the best. On 12/3/21, Madison Martin via NAGDU wrote: > How exciting, can't wait to hear all about your new partner!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via > NAGDU > Sent: December 3, 2021 6:30 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: [NAGDU] Class date > > I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. > > For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what > am I doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's > time for him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still > has good energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until > he sees that instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my > husband, where he can sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and > stop to visit people and dogs. > > I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra > stuff I have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things > get wet. > > The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere > except in my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run > to the store and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I > have to bring enough for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we > can go into a grocery store some time in training. Good practice. > > By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about > winter classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? > I'll have to get out the longjohns. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/maddymartin%40mymts > .net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/singingmywayin%40gm > ail.com > -- How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these. George Washington Carver Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dpm51%40earthlink.net -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From bonnie at mosen.org Fri Dec 3 21:31:51 2021 From: bonnie at mosen.org (Bonnie Mosen) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 10:31:51 +1300 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> References: <002d01d7e841$83b674d0$8b235e70$@access.net> Message-ID: <00b101d7e88d$3109d640$931d82c0$@mosen.org> Hi Tracy, Congratulations on your class date. I have been in two winter classes--the last being February of 2019, and I lived in Morristown for ten years. I was lucky in my last class we didn't get too much snow. I would definitely get some Yaktracks to wear on shoes or boots. They are great on the ice. Best of luck Bonnie and Eclipse -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, 4 December 2021 1:30 am To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Class date I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for him to live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good energy, for a while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that instead he gets to go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can sniff everything, pee whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I have to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in my room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store and pick up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough for the whole time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store some time in training. Good practice. By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about winter classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to get out the longjohns. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/bonnie%40mosen.org From thunderwalker321 at gmail.com Fri Dec 3 21:52:15 2021 From: thunderwalker321 at gmail.com (Jody ianuzzi) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 16:52:15 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Class date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Tracy, What great news! Congratulations! JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 3, 2021, at 2:30 PM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Tracy, so happy for you. Wishing you all the best. > >> On 12/3/21, Madison Martin via NAGDU wrote: >> How exciting, can't wait to hear all about your new partner!!!!!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via >> NAGDU >> Sent: December 3, 2021 6:30 AM >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' >> >> Cc: Tracy Carcione >> Subject: [NAGDU] Class date >> >> I'll be in class at The Seeing Eye starting January 3. >> >> For a while yesterday, Krokus was great and I was thinking "Gee, what am I >> doing!" Then he got up to all his tricks, and I knew again it's time for >> him to >> live the life of leisure and me to move on. He still has good energy, for >> a >> while, and he'll miss going out with me, until he sees that instead he gets >> to >> go on lovely sniffy walks with my husband, where he can sniff everything, >> pee >> whenever he likes, and stop to visit people and dogs. >> >> I've never been to a winter class, so I'm making lists of the extra stuff I >> have >> to bring, like my boots and extra socks for when things get wet. >> >> The Covid protocols sound like a pain, wearing a mask everywhere except in >> my >> room, but that's the way it is. And no volunteers to run to the store and >> pick >> up stuff, so any snacks or drinks I'll want I have to bring enough for the >> whole >> time. Though I'm hoping maybe we can go into a grocery store some time in >> training. Good practice. >> >> By wild chance, anyone else in my class? Or anyone have advice about >> winter >> classes, besides the obvious of having plenty of warm clothes? I'll have to >> get >> out the longjohns. >> >> Tracy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/maddymartin%40mymts.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/singingmywayin%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, > compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and > tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will > have been all of these. > George Washington Carver > Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com From michaeldforzano at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 20:58:40 2021 From: michaeldforzano at gmail.com (Michael Forzano) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 15:58:40 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb Message-ID: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> Hi All, Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. Thanks, Mike Sent from my iPhone From rachel.grider at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 22:01:26 2021 From: rachel.grider at gmail.com (Rachel Grider) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 14:01:26 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> References: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? > On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Hi All, > > Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. > > I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. > > Thanks, > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com From thunderwalker321 at gmail.com Sat Dec 11 23:43:35 2021 From: thunderwalker321 at gmail.com (Jody ianuzzi) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 18:43:35 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> References: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >> >> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com From judotina48kg at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 00:22:53 2021 From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (judotina48kg at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 16:22:53 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> References: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005e01d7eeee$67e2c160$37a84420$@gmail.com> Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jody ianuzzi Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >> >> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com From rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 03:55:46 2021 From: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com (rdgraves2007 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:55:46 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Message-ID: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> Good Evening All, I must admit that I am a little hesitant to post this here, as I know there are many more confident and well seasoned guide dog users in this forum making me a bit concerned about expressing my vulnerabilities. (smile) However I am hoping I can get some pointers which will increase my comfort level as I prepare to travel to the national convention in July. I'll first offer a bit of background, so that you'll have a clear understanding of my situation. I can't recall whether I have posted this here before as I am on several groups pertinent to guide dog users, so my apologies for any redundancies. I didn't decide to transition from cane to dog until I was in my fifties. I requested home training at the time, because my husband was in poor health, and I didn't want to be gone for weeks at a time. I now believe that this was likely a huge mistake for my first dog. I didn't have a good rapport with the instructor who was sent, as he was very condescending and intimidating from the start. Suffice it to say, I probably didn't get the intensity of training that I needed. My girl and I have been together for going on five years now, and the learning curve has been slow. We've made progress, but, for the most part, we have traveled in areas which are familiar to me. We did experience a pretty severe fall, a couple of months into our relationship, which I now think was largely my own fault. I think she was trying to worn me of some steps that I wasn't aware of, and I wasn't picking up on the cue. That did little to increase my confidence, and so there is a fear that still lingers in unfamiliar environments. I have not traveled with her in large airports, or unfamiliar cities. Mostly we travel to and from work and to the occasional restaurant and/or medical appointment. Izzo is a big "sniffer" and is easily distracted by other dogs and people. Putting the gentle leader on her almost makes things worse. She hates it and will begin rubbing her face on me and everything else in her reach trying to get it off. I am really anxious about traveling to the convention in New Orleans this summer and keeping us both safe. I would appreciate any pointers or feedback on how I might best prepare for this, and increase my level of competence. Thanks In Advance, Diane Graves From carcione at access.net Sun Dec 12 14:24:29 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 09:24:29 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas In-Reply-To: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> References: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901d7ef63$f951b000$ebf51000$@access.net> Hi Diane. I'm sorry your first guide dog experience hasn't been all one might wish, and especially sorry to hear you had a bad fall. And yet you have persevered! How is your dog at following? In large, unfamiliar airports, I usually ask for help when I'm checking in, or when I arrive at the airport, if I've checked in on line. Airports have people whose job it is to help people get places. They'll give you a person, and then the dog follows him/her to where you need to go. I usually tip the person when we've gotten to the gate I need. You can do the same when you get out of the plane, or you can just follow the crowd, who are all headed down to baggage and outside, same as you. If I'm uncertain, I ask someone passing by, and they usually set me straight. They may even be headed the same place as I am, so I can follow them. Convention hotels are usually very big and somewhat confusing, but there are lots of people to ask directions from. There's usually some orientation info in the agenda too, and I think I remember an orientation walk as one of the first events, too. Anyway, I take deep breaths to stay calm, listen up for clues, ask directions, and always stay patient with my dog, and it all works out. You could practice going new places in your town. Walk somewhere you usually don't, for instance. GPS can be helpful when doing this, though you still have to pay attention, because it won't tell you if an area has sidewalks or traffic signals. But it can be fun. And I used to do it without GPS, just remembering how far I'd gone in a direction, so, if I had to, I could turn around and retrace my route. It can be fun. Sometimes, when I'm looking at doing something new or going some place that sounds complicated, I get all anxious. Then I do it and it's fine, and I feel a bit silly for worrying about it, but I also feel joyously free. "I was worried, but I did it, and it was good!" It's empowering. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:56 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Good Evening All, I must admit that I am a little hesitant to post this here, as I know there are many more confident and well seasoned guide dog users in this forum making me a bit concerned about expressing my vulnerabilities. (smile) However I am hoping I can get some pointers which will increase my comfort level as I prepare to travel to the national convention in July. I'll first offer a bit of background, so that you'll have a clear understanding of my situation. I can't recall whether I have posted this here before as I am on several groups pertinent to guide dog users, so my apologies for any redundancies. I didn't decide to transition from cane to dog until I was in my fifties. I requested home training at the time, because my husband was in poor health, and I didn't want to be gone for weeks at a time. I now believe that this was likely a huge mistake for my first dog. I didn't have a good rapport with the instructor who was sent, as he was very condescending and intimidating from the start. Suffice it to say, I probably didn't get the intensity of training that I needed. My girl and I have been together for going on five years now, and the learning curve has been slow. We've made progress, but, for the most part, we have traveled in areas which are familiar to me. We did experience a pretty severe fall, a couple of months into our relationship, which I now think was largely my own fault. I think she was trying to worn me of some steps that I wasn't aware of, and I wasn't picking up on the cue. That did little to increase my confidence, and so there is a fear that still lingers in unfamiliar environments. I have not traveled with her in large airports, or unfamiliar cities. Mostly we travel to and from work and to the occasional restaurant and/or medical appointment. Izzo is a big "sniffer" and is easily distracted by other dogs and people. Putting the gentle leader on her almost makes things worse. She hates it and will begin rubbing her face on me and everything else in her reach trying to get it off. I am really anxious about traveling to the convention in New Orleans this summer and keeping us both safe. I would appreciate any pointers or feedback on how I might best prepare for this, and increase my level of competence. Thanks In Advance, Diane Graves _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From carcione at access.net Sun Dec 12 14:29:32 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 09:29:32 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <005e01d7eeee$67e2c160$37a84420$@gmail.com> References: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> <005e01d7eeee$67e2c160$37a84420$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003b01d7ef64$ae381cc0$0aa85640$@access.net> It is my understanding that a privately-owned property with less than 4 rooms to rent, where the owner lives on the premises, can refuse a service dog. In all other cases, the usual access rules apply. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:23 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jody ianuzzi Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >> >> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From judotina48kg at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 14:42:50 2021 From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (judotina48kg at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 06:42:50 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <003b01d7ef64$ae381cc0$0aa85640$@access.net> References: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> <005e01d7eeee$67e2c160$37a84420$@gmail.com> <003b01d7ef64$ae381cc0$0aa85640$@access.net> Message-ID: <013501d7ef66$8a05d660$9e118320$@gmail.com> Is there a written policy where this is stated that I and others can research this? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 6:30 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a privately-owned property with less than 4 rooms to rent, where the owner lives on the premises, can refuse a service dog. In all other cases, the usual access rules apply. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:23 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jody ianuzzi Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >> >> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com From carcione at access.net Sun Dec 12 15:37:10 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 10:37:10 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <013501d7ef66$8a05d660$9e118320$@gmail.com> References: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> <005e01d7eeee$67e2c160$37a84420$@gmail.com> <003b01d7ef64$ae381cc0$0aa85640$@access.net> <013501d7ef66$8a05d660$9e118320$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005b01d7ef6e$20e0bf80$62a23e80$@access.net> Service dog regs are part of the ADA regulations. AirBnB no doubt has its own policy statements. You might try Googling AirBnB service animal policy. That ought to get you somewhere. And NFB AirBnB partnership might get you something, too. Google is a mighty thing, if you can only think of the right words. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:43 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Is there a written policy where this is stated that I and others can research this? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 6:30 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a privately-owned property with less than 4 rooms to rent, where the owner lives on the premises, can refuse a service dog. In all other cases, the usual access rules apply. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:23 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jody ianuzzi Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >> >> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From buddy at brannan.name Sun Dec 12 16:46:44 2021 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:46:44 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <005b01d7ef6e$20e0bf80$62a23e80$@access.net> References: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> <005e01d7eeee$67e2c160$37a84420$@gmail.com> <003b01d7ef64$ae381cc0$0aa85640$@access.net> <013501d7ef66$8a05d660$9e118320$@gmail.com> <005b01d7ef6e$20e0bf80$62a23e80$@access.net> Message-ID: This has never been clear to me: would an AirBnB fall under ADA or FHA regs? The regs Tracy cites here are for FHA and rentals. So is an AirBnB counted as an hotel, which would put it under the ADA regs, or as a rental, which would put t in FHA territory? This seems a bit gray to me, and I could see arguments either way. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Mobile: (814) 431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > Service dog regs are part of the ADA regulations. AirBnB no doubt has its own policy statements. > You might try Googling AirBnB service animal policy. That ought to get you somewhere. And NFB AirBnB partnership might get you something, too. Google is a mighty thing, if you can only think of the right words. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:43 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > Is there a written policy where this is stated that I and others can research this? > Tina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 6:30 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > It is my understanding that a privately-owned property with less than 4 rooms to rent, where the owner lives on the premises, can refuse a service dog. In all other cases, the usual access rules apply. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:23 PM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? > Tina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: Jody ianuzzi > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals > > JODY > > To Boldly Go ?? > > > thunderwalker321 at gmail.com > > "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? >> >>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi All, >>> >>> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >>> >>> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NAGDU mailing list >>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name From rstigile at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 16:52:07 2021 From: rstigile at gmail.com (robert stigile) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 08:52:07 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I am not sure where Tracey found her information, but I search service animals and Airbnb?s and it states clearly that host cannot deny a person with a service animal unless there is a shared space and a concern for health or safety. Thank you, Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando Valley Chapter 818-381-9568 > On Dec 12, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU wrote: > > ?This has never been clear to me: would an AirBnB fall under ADA or FHA regs? The regs Tracy cites here are for FHA and rentals. So is an AirBnB counted as an hotel, which would put it under the ADA regs, or as a rental, which would put t in FHA territory? This seems a bit gray to me, and I could see arguments either way. > > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Mobile: (814) 431-0962 > Email: buddy at brannan.name > > > >> On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: >> >> Service dog regs are part of the ADA regulations. AirBnB no doubt has its own policy statements. >> You might try Googling AirBnB service animal policy. That ought to get you somewhere. And NFB AirBnB partnership might get you something, too. Google is a mighty thing, if you can only think of the right words. >> Tracy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU >> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:43 AM >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' >> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb >> >> Is there a written policy where this is stated that I and others can research this? >> Tina >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU >> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 6:30 AM >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' >> Cc: Tracy Carcione >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb >> >> It is my understanding that a privately-owned property with less than 4 rooms to rent, where the owner lives on the premises, can refuse a service dog. In all other cases, the usual access rules apply. >> Tracy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU >> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:23 PM >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' >> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb >> >> Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? >> Tina >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU >> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >> Cc: Jody ianuzzi >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb >> >> It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals >> >> JODY >> >> To Boldly Go ?? >> >> >> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com >> >> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer >> >>>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: >>> >>> ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? >>> >>>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi All, >>>> >>>> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >>>> >>>> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Mike >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NAGDU mailing list >>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NAGDU mailing list >>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rstigile%40gmail.com From judotina48kg at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 17:33:33 2021 From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (judotina48kg at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 09:33:33 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <005b01d7ef6e$20e0bf80$62a23e80$@access.net> References: <5522B85A-67D7-4FE4-92EE-ED0FA5D0315E@gmail.com> <39644D95-751B-424E-9D61-04C9FED0ED2D@gmail.com> <005e01d7eeee$67e2c160$37a84420$@gmail.com> <003b01d7ef64$ae381cc0$0aa85640$@access.net> <013501d7ef66$8a05d660$9e118320$@gmail.com> <005b01d7ef6e$20e0bf80$62a23e80$@access.net> Message-ID: <017201d7ef7e$63683350$2a3899f0$@gmail.com> Yes, Service dogs are apart of the ADA, however, My question has to do with policy as it pertains to public access when dealing with private vs corporate entities with respect to being accompanied by Guide/Service dogs? I'm going to copy the NAGDU Board on this issue, because I know that we have someone who can provide me with the information I'm seeking, as well as the written source that supports my question. Thanks, Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 7:37 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Service dog regs are part of the ADA regulations. AirBnB no doubt has its own policy statements. You might try Googling AirBnB service animal policy. That ought to get you somewhere. And NFB AirBnB partnership might get you something, too. Google is a mighty thing, if you can only think of the right words. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:43 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Is there a written policy where this is stated that I and others can research this? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 6:30 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a privately-owned property with less than 4 rooms to rent, where the owner lives on the premises, can refuse a service dog. In all other cases, the usual access rules apply. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:23 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jody ianuzzi Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >> >> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com From michaeldforzano at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 17:51:45 2021 From: michaeldforzano at gmail.com (Michael Forzano) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:51:45 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <017201d7ef7e$63683350$2a3899f0$@gmail.com> References: <017201d7ef7e$63683350$2a3899f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert is correct, there is no exemption based on number of rooms or the owner being on the premises. However, the health and safety exemption is quite broad and not well enforced. In practice, hosts can deny us based on something like allergies and all Airbnb will do is help us find another location to stay at. Obviously we all know that this is a problem. I was denied by an Airbnb host backin December 2019 because the host claimed that someone in the upstairs apartment was allergic, and that my dog's fur would somehow get through the HVAC system and affect this person's allergies. I have been in contact with the NFB national office about this, and it was actually what lead to the partnership with Airbnb. Unfortunately I was completely cut out of the loop. It was really a horrible experience and am happy to provide details offline to anyone interested. I don't know what the NFB is doing if it is indeed the case that the service animal/pet search filter is new. If Airbnb is not being receptive to our feedback, then it is time to consider more drasttic action. I hope someone on the NAGDU board can shed some light on this. -Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2021, at 12:34 PM, judotina48kg--- via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Yes, Service dogs are apart of the ADA, however, My question has to do with policy as it pertains to public access when dealing with private vs corporate entities with respect to being accompanied by Guide/Service dogs? I'm going to copy the NAGDU Board on this issue, because I know that we have someone who can provide me with the information I'm seeking, as well as the written source that supports my question. > Thanks, > Tina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 7:37 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > Service dog regs are part of the ADA regulations. AirBnB no doubt has its own policy statements. > You might try Googling AirBnB service animal policy. That ought to get you somewhere. And NFB AirBnB partnership might get you something, too. Google is a mighty thing, if you can only think of the right words. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:43 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > Is there a written policy where this is stated that I and others can research this? > Tina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 6:30 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > It is my understanding that a privately-owned property with less than 4 rooms to rent, where the owner lives on the premises, can refuse a service dog. In all other cases, the usual access rules apply. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:23 PM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > Wow, I haven't heard of this policy. Now, I have heard of denials from other Guide/Service dog users, when it comes to hotels, B&B's. So, I guess my question would be, is there a differentiation between private rental properties vs. corporate owned properties with the respect to public assess laws? > Tina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 3:44 PM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: Jody ianuzzi > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > It is my understanding that a large B&B with four rooms or less can refuse service animals > > JODY > > To Boldly Go ?? > > > thunderwalker321 at gmail.com > > "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > >> On Dec 11, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Rachel Grider via NAGDU wrote: >> >> ?Thank you for your note on this. I have recently had a similar experience, and I would like some more insight about our rights regarding Airbnb. It is my understanding that they are required to allow service dogs, but it is clear that many Airbnb owners are not aware of this. What work has been done on this in the past, and what is the proper protocol when we are denied access to Airbnb? >> >>>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 13:00, Michael Forzano via NAGDU wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi All, >>> >>> Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, while the unfiltered results had several available options in that area. >>> >>> I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights as guide dog users. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NAGDU mailing list >>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rachel.grider%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/michaeldforzano%40gmail.com From stanley7709 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 20:16:06 2021 From: stanley7709 at gmail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:16:06 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas Message-ID: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas 'Twas the night before Christmas, the kennels were still, with most dogs asleep, having eaten their fill. The German Shephards were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, While visions of milk bones danced in their heads. The German Shephards were curled up on the floor, some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. Off by the window, a kennel cat lay, surveying the lawn at the end of his day. Something was different, that little cat knew - something would happen, it had to be true. That day as the workers had left to go home, they'd wished "Merry Christmas" before starting to roam. The dogs had all noticed that during their walks, the trainers seemed happier and eager to talk. In the mall where they worked amid people and stores, there were decorations, music, distractions galore! Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, some balked at the man with those fake-looking deer. The cat was near sleeping when he first heard the sound, a whoosh through the air and a jingle abound. The sound of a collar when an animal shook, but the sound just kept growing - he'd better go look. >From the ceiling there came a kind of a thunk, As the kennel cat climbed up on a pile of junk. But the dogs were still quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man dressed in red made his way to the ground. He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, then made his way right to the old coffee pot. A German Shephards sat up, not fully awake, then another German Shephards soon followed with a mighty loud shake. That did it...the dogs filled the kennel with noise, but in spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. He filled the pot full and it started to brew, then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, he knew well their jobs, and the people they led. Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others continued their deafening howl. Laying a finger in front of his lips, the jolly old man soon silenced their yips. He smiled, laughed, and took a short pause. "You may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," He filled up his mug with hot coffee and cream, and said, "Meeting you all has been one of my dreams." The cat jumped down to explore Santa's pack. He said, "Sorry, kitty, I've emptied my sack." Santa smiled, drank, looked in their eyes ? deep brown and gold, all wide with surprise. Some of these dogs he'd seen just last year, All in their homes - cute, full of good cheer. He'd seen the effect of a pup on a tree, but now they were here, just waiting to be. "I didn't bring presents or bones to chew. But I'll tell you what's better ? and what you're to do. You'll all worked hard and the trainers will share, both praise and correction, gentle and fair. You'll go lots of places and face scary things, you'll ride buses, planes, and hear sirens ring. Cars will drive at you, you'll know what to do, Moving from danger, not moving into. Then, when you think your trainer's the best, the kindest, and funniest, just toss all the rest; That trainer will leave you, and give you away, handing your leash over despite your dismay. The one who will feed you might see just a tad, Or maybe it's just that their focus is bad. So you little buggers will work as their eyes To be a great team and discover the prize. The prize isn't kibble, or even new toys, It's leading your partner, you good girls and boys. Santa sipped coffee, looked over the brood, But what he said next seemed just a bit rude. ?Some may not make it and won't become guides. But time here's not wasted, no casting aside. Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs, some will be pets with new dads and moms. When the last drop of coffee had gone from his cup Santa turned, and smiled at each wide-eyed pup. "The best gift of all is to give something back. And that's why there's nothing for you in my pack. Draining his mug, he went to each pen, Petting and scratching each dog yet again. "The following years, even more after that, you'll all give great gifts wherever you're at. You might lick a hand on a really bad day, or notice a car and step out of its way. You might catch a crook or discover some loot, bring joy to a old man in a funny red suit. Your master will love you and treat you with care, knowing your training will always be there." After the last had been petted and soothed, He rinsed out the mug and made ready to move. To the ladder he climbed for the door high above, with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his glove. All the dog's ears were pricked as he flew out of sight, Saying, "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!" Steve Cook From al.elia at aol.com Sun Dec 12 21:18:52 2021 From: al.elia at aol.com (Al Elia) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:18:52 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> References: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BCFF295-B8CB-4FC9-9C87-A0A713B2BB7B@aol.com> In response to questions regarding whether service animals can be excluded from Airbnb?s, and whether Airbnb?s search criteria about permitting ?assistance animals? is unlawful, it?s complicated. First there is the question of whether the lodging offered is all lodging offered by Airbnb, or each individual property on Airbnb. This is akin to the question of whether Uber is responsible for driver refusals to transport service animals. Taking the most conservative view ? that Airbnb is merely a listing agent for millions of individual short-term landlords: The ADA excludes from its definition of ?public accommodations? lodging places that have five or fewer rooms for rent and that is ?actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor.? 42 U.S.C. ? 12181(7()A). If the owner rents their house/apartment home only when they are not present, it is arguably not ?actually occupied? by the owner at the time that the renter is present, and is therefore arguably covered under the ADA. However, if the Airbnb is for a single room in a house that is actually occupied by the owner during the renter?s stay, then it would likely be excluded from ADA coverage.. The more liberal approach is to treat Airbnb as a giant world-spanning operator of public accommodations made up of millions of properties. Under this view, all properties would have to accept service animals under all circumstances. Whether the conservative or liberal approach prevails is an open question, as internet -enabled lodgings and transportation are relatively new. However, since the Airbnb contract and terms are between the renter and Airbnb and the property-owner and Airbnb, not between the renter and the property-owner, there is a strong argument to treat Airbnb as the landlord/lessor, and thus take the liberal approach. Besides the federal law, many states offer disability-discrimination protections that may or may not be more protective than the ADA. For example, Massachusetts, Washington, and the District of Columbia do not have any owner/occupier/size limitations on public accommodations. Mass. Gen. Laws Ch 272 ? 92A; Rev. Code Wash. ? 49.60.040(2); D.C. Laws Ch. 14 ? 2?1401.02(24). All of that said, it is possible that Airbnb is using ?Assistance Animal? to mean assistance or support animals that are not service animals, which are not covered by the ADA and, depending on the circumstances and state, may or may not be covered under state laws. I hope that is all helpful. On 11 Dec 2021, at 12:58, Michael Forzano wrote: > Hi All, > > Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting > the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is > a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one > increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs > that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I > can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is > extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and > service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize > their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered > results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, > while the unfiltered results had several available options in that > area. > > I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does > anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we > aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights > as guide dog users. > > Thanks, > Mike > Sent from my iPhone From belovedtalica77 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 23:01:27 2021 From: belovedtalica77 at gmail.com (Amy Bonano) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 18:01:27 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas In-Reply-To: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: That was wonderful and clever From The Beloved Rose AmyRose Bonano > On Dec 12, 2021, at 3:17 PM, Steve Cook via NAGDU wrote: > > ?A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas > > 'Twas the night before Christmas, the kennels were still, > with most dogs asleep, having eaten their fill. > The German Shephards were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, > While visions of milk bones danced in their heads. > The German Shephards were curled up on the floor, > some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. > The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, > in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. > Off by the window, a kennel cat lay, > surveying the lawn at the end of his day. > Something was different, that little cat knew - > something would happen, it had to be true. > That day as the workers had left to go home, > they'd wished "Merry Christmas" before starting to roam. > The dogs had all noticed that during their walks, > the trainers seemed happier and eager to talk. > In the mall where they worked amid people and stores, > there were decorations, music, distractions galore! > Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, > some balked at the man with those fake-looking deer. > The cat was near sleeping when he first heard the sound, > a whoosh through the air and a jingle abound. > The sound of a collar when an animal shook, > but the sound just kept growing - he'd better go look. > From the ceiling there came a kind of a thunk, > As the kennel cat climbed up on a pile of junk. > But the dogs were still quiet, all sleeping so sound, > as this man dressed in red made his way to the ground. > He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, > then made his way right to the old coffee pot. > A German Shephards sat up, not fully awake, > then another German Shephards soon followed with a mighty loud shake. > That did it...the dogs filled the kennel with noise, > but in spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. > He filled the pot full and it started to brew, > then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. > Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, > he knew well their jobs, and the people they led. > Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, > while others continued their deafening howl. > Laying a finger in front of his lips, > the jolly old man soon silenced their yips. > He smiled, laughed, and took a short pause. > "You may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," > He filled up his mug with hot coffee and cream, > and said, "Meeting you all has been one of my dreams." > The cat jumped down to explore Santa's pack. > He said, "Sorry, kitty, I've emptied my sack." > Santa smiled, drank, looked in their eyes ? > deep brown and gold, all wide with surprise. > Some of these dogs he'd seen just last year, > All in their homes - cute, full of good cheer. > He'd seen the effect of a pup on a tree, > but now they were here, just waiting to be. > "I didn't bring presents or bones to chew. > But I'll tell you what's better ? and what you're to do. > You'll all worked hard and the trainers will share, > both praise and correction, gentle and fair. > You'll go lots of places and face scary things, > you'll ride buses, planes, and hear sirens ring. > Cars will drive at you, you'll know what to do, > Moving from danger, not moving into. > Then, when you think your trainer's the best, > the kindest, and funniest, just toss all the rest; > That trainer will leave you, and give you away, > handing your leash over despite your dismay. > The one who will feed you might see just a tad, > Or maybe it's just that their focus is bad. > So you little buggers will work as their eyes > To be a great team and discover the prize. > The prize isn't kibble, or even new toys, > It's leading your partner, you good girls and boys. > Santa sipped coffee, looked over the brood, > But what he said next seemed just a bit rude. > ?Some may not make it and won't become guides. > But time here's not wasted, no casting aside. > Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs, > some will be pets with new dads and moms. > When the last drop of coffee had gone from his cup > Santa turned, and smiled at each wide-eyed pup. > "The best gift of all is to give something back. > And that's why there's nothing for you in my pack. > Draining his mug, he went to each pen, > Petting and scratching each dog yet again. > "The following years, even more after that, > you'll all give great gifts wherever you're at. > You might lick a hand on a really bad day, > or notice a car and step out of its way. > You might catch a crook or discover some loot, > bring joy to a old man in a funny red suit. > Your master will love you and treat you with care, > knowing your training will always be there." > After the last had been petted and soothed, > He rinsed out the mug and made ready to move. > To the ladder he climbed for the door high above, > with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his glove. > All the dog's ears were pricked as he flew out of sight, > Saying, "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!" > > Steve Cook > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/belovedtalica77%40gmail.com From rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 02:59:51 2021 From: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com (rdgraves2007 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:59:51 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas In-Reply-To: <003901d7ef63$f951b000$ebf51000$@access.net> References: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> <003901d7ef63$f951b000$ebf51000$@access.net> Message-ID: <00b601d7efcd$7f7a13c0$7e6e3b40$@gmail.com> Thank you so much for this Tracy. This is really helpful. Can you explain how you, as a blind person, use GPS? Is there an app for your phone that is user friendly for the blind? I guess I always thought GPS consisted of a bunch of maps and outlines and similar graphics? Which GPS method do you use? Thanks so much again, Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:24 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Hi Diane. I'm sorry your first guide dog experience hasn't been all one might wish, and especially sorry to hear you had a bad fall. And yet you have persevered! How is your dog at following? In large, unfamiliar airports, I usually ask for help when I'm checking in, or when I arrive at the airport, if I've checked in on line. Airports have people whose job it is to help people get places. They'll give you a person, and then the dog follows him/her to where you need to go. I usually tip the person when we've gotten to the gate I need. You can do the same when you get out of the plane, or you can just follow the crowd, who are all headed down to baggage and outside, same as you. If I'm uncertain, I ask someone passing by, and they usually set me straight. They may even be headed the same place as I am, so I can follow them. Convention hotels are usually very big and somewhat confusing, but there are lots of people to ask directions from. There's usually some orientation info in the agenda too, and I think I remember an orientation walk as one of the first events, too. Anyway, I take deep breaths to stay calm, listen up for clues, ask directions, and always stay patient with my dog, and it all works out. You could practice going new places in your town. Walk somewhere you usually don't, for instance. GPS can be helpful when doing this, though you still have to pay attention, because it won't tell you if an area has sidewalks or traffic signals. But it can be fun. And I used to do it without GPS, just remembering how far I'd gone in a direction, so, if I had to, I could turn around and retrace my route. It can be fun. Sometimes, when I'm looking at doing something new or going some place that sounds complicated, I get all anxious. Then I do it and it's fine, and I feel a bit silly for worrying about it, but I also feel joyously free. "I was worried, but I did it, and it was good!" It's empowering. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:56 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Good Evening All, I must admit that I am a little hesitant to post this here, as I know there are many more confident and well seasoned guide dog users in this forum making me a bit concerned about expressing my vulnerabilities. (smile) However I am hoping I can get some pointers which will increase my comfort level as I prepare to travel to the national convention in July. I'll first offer a bit of background, so that you'll have a clear understanding of my situation. I can't recall whether I have posted this here before as I am on several groups pertinent to guide dog users, so my apologies for any redundancies. I didn't decide to transition from cane to dog until I was in my fifties. I requested home training at the time, because my husband was in poor health, and I didn't want to be gone for weeks at a time. I now believe that this was likely a huge mistake for my first dog. I didn't have a good rapport with the instructor who was sent, as he was very condescending and intimidating from the start. Suffice it to say, I probably didn't get the intensity of training that I needed. My girl and I have been together for going on five years now, and the learning curve has been slow. We've made progress, but, for the most part, we have traveled in areas which are familiar to me. We did experience a pretty severe fall, a couple of months into our relationship, which I now think was largely my own fault. I think she was trying to worn me of some steps that I wasn't aware of, and I wasn't picking up on the cue. That did little to increase my confidence, and so there is a fear that still lingers in unfamiliar environments. I have not traveled with her in large airports, or unfamiliar cities. Mostly we travel to and from work and to the occasional restaurant and/or medical appointment. Izzo is a big "sniffer" and is easily distracted by other dogs and people. Putting the gentle leader on her almost makes things worse. She hates it and will begin rubbing her face on me and everything else in her reach trying to get it off. I am really anxious about traveling to the convention in New Orleans this summer and keeping us both safe. I would appreciate any pointers or feedback on how I might best prepare for this, and increase my level of competence. Thanks In Advance, Diane Graves _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com From MAllman at seeingeye.org Mon Dec 13 14:16:38 2021 From: MAllman at seeingeye.org (Melissa Allman) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:16:38 +0000 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: <4BCFF295-B8CB-4FC9-9C87-A0A713B2BB7B@aol.com> References: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> <4BCFF295-B8CB-4FC9-9C87-A0A713B2BB7B@aol.com> Message-ID: Good morning all. I find this topic to be particularly interesting because as Al says, correctly I believe, It's a bit complicated. I have something else to throw out there just as food for thought. I took a look at Airbnb's help center page to refresh myself on their own policy on assistance animals https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/1869/assistance-animals It specifically says: "You don?t have to disclose the presence of an assistance animal before booking, although we always encourage transparent communication to ensure a smooth experience for all. If you are denied a booking due to your assistance animal?for a reason other than a health and safety concern?be assured that Airbnb takes reports of discrimination in our community very seriously." It appears they are including both emotional support animals and service animals under their assistance animal umbrella when they make this statement, maybe trying to be consistent with Fair Housing guidance. Presumably then, one could simply avoid the drop-down menu that generated this discussion in the first place by not disclosing especially if the animal is a service animal as defined by the ADA and you are taking the position that the rental is a public accommodation. Melissa Melissa Allman Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations The Seeing Eye P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ?07963-0375 (mail) 1 Seeing Eye Way, Morristown, NJ?07960-3378 (deliveries) 973-539-4425 ext. x1724?| mallman at seeingeye.org |?www.SeeingEye.org Your support helps us create extraordinary teams. Please help The Seeing Eye by making a donation today. -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Al Elia via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 4:19 PM To: Michael Forzano Cc: Al Elia ; nagdu at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb In response to questions regarding whether service animals can be excluded from Airbnb?s, and whether Airbnb?s search criteria about permitting ?assistance animals? is unlawful, it?s complicated. First there is the question of whether the lodging offered is all lodging offered by Airbnb, or each individual property on Airbnb. This is akin to the question of whether Uber is responsible for driver refusals to transport service animals. Taking the most conservative view ? that Airbnb is merely a listing agent for millions of individual short-term landlords: The ADA excludes from its definition of ?public accommodations? lodging places that have five or fewer rooms for rent and that is ?actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor.? 42 U.S.C. ? 12181(7()A). If the owner rents their house/apartment home only when they are not present, it is arguably not ?actually occupied? by the owner at the time that the renter is present, and is therefore arguably covered under the ADA. However, if the Airbnb is for a single room in a house that is actually occupied by the owner during the renter?s stay, then it would likely be excluded from ADA coverage.. The more liberal approach is to treat Airbnb as a giant world-spanning operator of public accommodations made up of millions of properties. Under this view, all properties would have to accept service animals under all circumstances. Whether the conservative or liberal approach prevails is an open question, as internet -enabled lodgings and transportation are relatively new. However, since the Airbnb contract and terms are between the renter and Airbnb and the property-owner and Airbnb, not between the renter and the property-owner, there is a strong argument to treat Airbnb as the landlord/lessor, and thus take the liberal approach. Besides the federal law, many states offer disability-discrimination protections that may or may not be more protective than the ADA. For example, Massachusetts, Washington, and the District of Columbia do not have any owner/occupier/size limitations on public accommodations. Mass. Gen. Laws Ch 272 ? 92A; Rev. Code Wash. ? 49.60.040(2); D.C. Laws Ch. 14 ? 2?1401.02(24). All of that said, it is possible that Airbnb is using ?Assistance Animal? to mean assistance or support animals that are not service animals, which are not covered by the ADA and, depending on the circumstances and state, may or may not be covered under state laws. I hope that is all helpful. On 11 Dec 2021, at 12:58, Michael Forzano wrote: > Hi All, > > Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting > the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is > a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one > increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs > that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I > can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is > extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and > service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize > their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered > results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, > while the unfiltered results had several available options in that > area. > > I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does > anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we > aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights > as guide dog users. > > Thanks, > Mike > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/mallman%40seeingeye.org From MAllman at seeingeye.org Mon Dec 13 14:21:18 2021 From: MAllman at seeingeye.org (Melissa Allman) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:21:18 +0000 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: References: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> <4BCFF295-B8CB-4FC9-9C87-A0A713B2BB7B@aol.com> Message-ID: Oh and I forgot to say they really don't define (unless I missed it) what a health or safety concern is at least not on this particular public facing page, which I find interesting and am curious how often, and when, they rely on that if someone is denied and files a complaint on their platform. -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via NAGDU Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 9:17 AM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users ; Michael Forzano Cc: Melissa Allman ; Al Elia Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb Good morning all. I find this topic to be particularly interesting because as Al says, correctly I believe, It's a bit complicated. I have something else to throw out there just as food for thought. I took a look at Airbnb's help center page to refresh myself on their own policy on assistance animals https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/1869/assistance-animals It specifically says: "You don?t have to disclose the presence of an assistance animal before booking, although we always encourage transparent communication to ensure a smooth experience for all. If you are denied a booking due to your assistance animal?for a reason other than a health and safety concern?be assured that Airbnb takes reports of discrimination in our community very seriously." It appears they are including both emotional support animals and service animals under their assistance animal umbrella when they make this statement, maybe trying to be consistent with Fair Housing guidance. Presumably then, one could simply avoid the drop-down menu that generated this discussion in the first place by not disclosing especially if the animal is a service animal as defined by the ADA and you are taking the position that the rental is a public accommodation. Melissa Melissa Allman Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations The Seeing Eye P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ?07963-0375 (mail) 1 Seeing Eye Way, Morristown, NJ?07960-3378 (deliveries) 973-539-4425 ext. x1724?| mallman at seeingeye.org |?www.SeeingEye.org Your support helps us create extraordinary teams. Please help The Seeing Eye by making a donation today. -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Al Elia via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 4:19 PM To: Michael Forzano Cc: Al Elia ; nagdu at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb In response to questions regarding whether service animals can be excluded from Airbnb?s, and whether Airbnb?s search criteria about permitting ?assistance animals? is unlawful, it?s complicated. First there is the question of whether the lodging offered is all lodging offered by Airbnb, or each individual property on Airbnb. This is akin to the question of whether Uber is responsible for driver refusals to transport service animals. Taking the most conservative view ? that Airbnb is merely a listing agent for millions of individual short-term landlords: The ADA excludes from its definition of ?public accommodations? lodging places that have five or fewer rooms for rent and that is ?actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor.? 42 U.S.C. ? 12181(7()A). If the owner rents their house/apartment home only when they are not present, it is arguably not ?actually occupied? by the owner at the time that the renter is present, and is therefore arguably covered under the ADA. However, if the Airbnb is for a single room in a house that is actually occupied by the owner during the renter?s stay, then it would likely be excluded from ADA coverage.. The more liberal approach is to treat Airbnb as a giant world-spanning operator of public accommodations made up of millions of properties. Under this view, all properties would have to accept service animals under all circumstances. Whether the conservative or liberal approach prevails is an open question, as internet -enabled lodgings and transportation are relatively new. However, since the Airbnb contract and terms are between the renter and Airbnb and the property-owner and Airbnb, not between the renter and the property-owner, there is a strong argument to treat Airbnb as the landlord/lessor, and thus take the liberal approach. Besides the federal law, many states offer disability-discrimination protections that may or may not be more protective than the ADA. For example, Massachusetts, Washington, and the District of Columbia do not have any owner/occupier/size limitations on public accommodations. Mass. Gen. Laws Ch 272 ? 92A; Rev. Code Wash. ? 49.60.040(2); D.C. Laws Ch. 14 ? 2?1401.02(24). All of that said, it is possible that Airbnb is using ?Assistance Animal? to mean assistance or support animals that are not service animals, which are not covered by the ADA and, depending on the circumstances and state, may or may not be covered under state laws. I hope that is all helpful. On 11 Dec 2021, at 12:58, Michael Forzano wrote: > Hi All, > > Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting > the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is > a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one > increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs > that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I > can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is > extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and > service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize > their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered > results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, > while the unfiltered results had several available options in that > area. > > I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does > anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we > aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights > as guide dog users. > > Thanks, > Mike > Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/mallman%40seeingeye.org _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/mallman%40seeingeye.org From michaeldforzano at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 14:28:59 2021 From: michaeldforzano at gmail.com (Michael Forzano) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:28:59 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Airbnb In-Reply-To: References: <1D7F8D7A-FA21-4E7C-A9F0-4D0A658316AA@gmail.com> <4BCFF295-B8CB-4FC9-9C87-A0A713B2BB7B@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes choosing not to disclose is certainly an option, and probably the one I would take at this point. However there are a few potential issues I can see: 1. The fact that the search filter is there implies that one needs to disclose and folks who don't know any better may think this is the case. 2. The host could try to deny us when we arrive claiming a health/safety concern. Airbnb has admitted in conversations I was a part of back in the summer of last year that they have no way to enforce what is/isn't a valid health/safety exemption. Even if the host isn't actually on the premises, most have security cameras on the property. If the host decided to make an issue of it and, say, call the police, it's not clear to me how it would play out, given that it's currently a gray area legally and Airbnb's policies would permit someone claiming an allergy for example without any proof. 3. Assuming we are allowed to stay at the property, Airbnb hosts could later retaliate by leaving a negative rating/review which could be seen by future hosts. I don't know if Airbnb has any process for getting these reviews removed. -Mike On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 9:21 AM Melissa Allman wrote: > Oh and I forgot to say they really don't define (unless I missed it) what > a health or safety concern is at least not on this particular public facing > page, which I find interesting and am curious how often, and when, they > rely on that if someone is denied and files a complaint on their platform. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via > NAGDU > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 9:17 AM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users < > nagdu at nfbnet.org>; Michael Forzano > Cc: Melissa Allman ; Al Elia > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > Good morning all. I find this topic to be particularly interesting because > as Al says, correctly I believe, It's a bit complicated. I have something > else to throw out there just as food for thought. > > I took a look at Airbnb's help center page to refresh myself on their own > policy on assistance animals > https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/1869/assistance-animals > > It specifically says: "You don?t have to disclose the presence of an > assistance animal before booking, although we always encourage transparent > communication to ensure a smooth experience for all. > > If you are denied a booking due to your assistance animal?for a reason > other than a health and safety concern?be assured that Airbnb takes reports > of discrimination in our community very seriously." > > It appears they are including both emotional support animals and service > animals under their assistance animal umbrella when they make this > statement, maybe trying to be consistent with Fair Housing guidance. > Presumably then, one could simply avoid the drop-down menu that generated > this discussion in the first place by not disclosing especially if the > animal is a service animal as defined by the ADA and you are taking the > position that the rental is a public accommodation. > > Melissa > > Melissa Allman > Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations The Seeing Eye P.O. > Box 375, Morristown, NJ 07963-0375 (mail) > 1 Seeing Eye Way, Morristown, NJ 07960-3378 (deliveries) > 973-539-4425 ext. x1724 | mallman at seeingeye.org | www.SeeingEye.org > > Your support helps us create extraordinary teams. Please help The Seeing > Eye by making a donation today. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Al Elia via NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 4:19 PM > To: Michael Forzano > Cc: Al Elia ; nagdu at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Airbnb > > In response to questions regarding whether service animals can be excluded > from Airbnb?s, and whether Airbnb?s search criteria about permitting > ?assistance animals? is unlawful, it?s complicated. > > First there is the question of whether the lodging offered is all lodging > offered by Airbnb, or each individual property on Airbnb. This is akin to > the question of whether Uber is responsible for driver refusals to > transport service animals. Taking the most conservative view ? that Airbnb > is merely a listing agent for millions of individual short-term landlords: > The ADA excludes from its definition of ?public accommodations? lodging > places that have five or fewer rooms for rent and that is ?actually > occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such > proprietor.? 42 U.S.C. ? 12181(7()A). If the owner rents their > house/apartment home only when they are not present, it is arguably not > ?actually occupied? by the owner at the time that the renter is present, > and is therefore arguably covered under the ADA. > However, if the Airbnb is for a single room in a house that is actually > occupied by the owner during the renter?s stay, then it would likely be > excluded from ADA coverage.. > > The more liberal approach is to treat Airbnb as a giant world-spanning > operator of public accommodations made up of millions of properties. > Under this view, all properties would have to accept service animals under > all circumstances. Whether the conservative or liberal approach prevails is > an open question, as internet -enabled lodgings and transportation are > relatively new. However, since the Airbnb contract and terms are between > the renter and Airbnb and the property-owner and Airbnb, not between the > renter and the property-owner, there is a strong argument to treat Airbnb > as the landlord/lessor, and thus take the liberal approach. > > Besides the federal law, many states offer disability-discrimination > protections that may or may not be more protective than the ADA. For > example, Massachusetts, Washington, and the District of Columbia do not > have any owner/occupier/size limitations on public accommodations. Mass. > Gen. Laws Ch 272 ? 92A; Rev. Code Wash. ? 49.60.040(2); D.C. Laws Ch. > 14 ? 2?1401.02(24). > > All of that said, it is possible that Airbnb is using ?Assistance Animal? > to mean assistance or support animals that are not service animals, which > are not covered by the ADA and, depending on the circumstances and state, > may or may not be covered under state laws. > > I hope that is all helpful. > > > > On 11 Dec 2021, at 12:58, Michael Forzano wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Today as I was searching for an Airbnb, I noticed that when selecting > > the number of people staying as part of the search criteria, there is > > a dropdown labelled "pets, bringing an assistance animal". If one > > increments this option, the search results are restricted to Airbnbs > > that allow pets. I don't remember seeing this in the past though I > > can't be 100% sure if this is a new option or not. Either way, it is > > extremely disappointing to see Airbnb lumping together pets and > > service animals. Someone using this option might not even realize > > their search results have been limited. In my case, the filtered > > results did not even include any Airbnbs in the city I searched for, > > while the unfiltered results had several available options in that > > area. > > > > I know that the NFB and Airbnb have entered into a partnership. Does > > anyone know the status of this? I'm surprised and disappointed that we > > aren't taking a firm stand against this clear violation of Our rights > > as guide dog users. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/mallman%40seeingeye.org > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/mallman%40seeingeye.org > From carcione at access.net Mon Dec 13 14:45:40 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:45:40 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas In-Reply-To: <00b601d7efcd$7f7a13c0$7e6e3b40$@gmail.com> References: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> <003901d7ef63$f951b000$ebf51000$@access.net> <00b601d7efcd$7f7a13c0$7e6e3b40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002c01d7f030$195dc0b0$4c194210$@access.net> Hi Diane. I want to add a couple things about convention I forgot to say. Some people choose not to take their dog to convention. They don't want to deal with relieving, sniffing, dog distractions, etc. Or they feel that their dog may find the crowds with lots of canes too stressful. It's an option. Also, all the larger schools send reps to convention, and graduates can arrange an appointment to get help with whatever during convention. Some people also use it to get a Juno walk or check out another school, if they're considering switching. About GPS: I use an iPhone. There are also apps for Android, but I don't know them. I use an app called Nearby Explorer. I've also used BlindSquare. They both work similarly. They tell me what street I'm walking on, what street is coming up, what direction I'm headed, and nearby points of interest, though sometimes "nearby" is not actually true. They don't tell me if a street has a sidewalk, or if there are traffic signals. Nearby Explorer can give directions to a place, but, even when I choose walking directions, it may tell me to cross a busy street at a place where there is no traffic signal. It can also be a bit distracting at first. I used to stop and mess with the app, getting it started, and my dog would stand there wondering why we weren't moving. But now I'm a bit smoother at starting it in a place where it won't confuse him. I mainly use it to tell where I am in an unfamiliar area where I know where I'm going, generally, and how to get there, but don't know all the street names or perhaps when I've reached the street I want. Apple-vis.com is a site for blind iPhone users that has reviews and comments about accessibility of lots of apps, including GPS. It's a tremendous resource. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 10:00 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Thank you so much for this Tracy. This is really helpful. Can you explain how you, as a blind person, use GPS? Is there an app for your phone that is user friendly for the blind? I guess I always thought GPS consisted of a bunch of maps and outlines and similar graphics? Which GPS method do you use? Thanks so much again, Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:24 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Hi Diane. I'm sorry your first guide dog experience hasn't been all one might wish, and especially sorry to hear you had a bad fall. And yet you have persevered! How is your dog at following? In large, unfamiliar airports, I usually ask for help when I'm checking in, or when I arrive at the airport, if I've checked in on line. Airports have people whose job it is to help people get places. They'll give you a person, and then the dog follows him/her to where you need to go. I usually tip the person when we've gotten to the gate I need. You can do the same when you get out of the plane, or you can just follow the crowd, who are all headed down to baggage and outside, same as you. If I'm uncertain, I ask someone passing by, and they usually set me straight. They may even be headed the same place as I am, so I can follow them. Convention hotels are usually very big and somewhat confusing, but there are lots of people to ask directions from. There's usually some orientation info in the agenda too, and I think I remember an orientation walk as one of the first events, too. Anyway, I take deep breaths to stay calm, listen up for clues, ask directions, and always stay patient with my dog, and it all works out. You could practice going new places in your town. Walk somewhere you usually don't, for instance. GPS can be helpful when doing this, though you still have to pay attention, because it won't tell you if an area has sidewalks or traffic signals. But it can be fun. And I used to do it without GPS, just remembering how far I'd gone in a direction, so, if I had to, I could turn around and retrace my route. It can be fun. Sometimes, when I'm looking at doing something new or going some place that sounds complicated, I get all anxious. Then I do it and it's fine, and I feel a bit silly for worrying about it, but I also feel joyously free. "I was worried, but I did it, and it was good!" It's empowering. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:56 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Good Evening All, I must admit that I am a little hesitant to post this here, as I know there are many more confident and well seasoned guide dog users in this forum making me a bit concerned about expressing my vulnerabilities. (smile) However I am hoping I can get some pointers which will increase my comfort level as I prepare to travel to the national convention in July. I'll first offer a bit of background, so that you'll have a clear understanding of my situation. I can't recall whether I have posted this here before as I am on several groups pertinent to guide dog users, so my apologies for any redundancies. I didn't decide to transition from cane to dog until I was in my fifties. I requested home training at the time, because my husband was in poor health, and I didn't want to be gone for weeks at a time. I now believe that this was likely a huge mistake for my first dog. I didn't have a good rapport with the instructor who was sent, as he was very condescending and intimidating from the start. Suffice it to say, I probably didn't get the intensity of training that I needed. My girl and I have been together for going on five years now, and the learning curve has been slow. We've made progress, but, for the most part, we have traveled in areas which are familiar to me. We did experience a pretty severe fall, a couple of months into our relationship, which I now think was largely my own fault. I think she was trying to worn me of some steps that I wasn't aware of, and I wasn't picking up on the cue. That did little to increase my confidence, and so there is a fear that still lingers in unfamiliar environments. I have not traveled with her in large airports, or unfamiliar cities. Mostly we travel to and from work and to the occasional restaurant and/or medical appointment. Izzo is a big "sniffer" and is easily distracted by other dogs and people. Putting the gentle leader on her almost makes things worse. She hates it and will begin rubbing her face on me and everything else in her reach trying to get it off. I am really anxious about traveling to the convention in New Orleans this summer and keeping us both safe. I would appreciate any pointers or feedback on how I might best prepare for this, and increase my level of competence. Thanks In Advance, Diane Graves _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 03:38:16 2021 From: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com (rdgraves2007 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 22:38:16 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas In-Reply-To: <002c01d7f030$195dc0b0$4c194210$@access.net> References: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> <003901d7ef63$f951b000$ebf51000$@access.net> <00b601d7efcd$7f7a13c0$7e6e3b40$@gmail.com> <002c01d7f030$195dc0b0$4c194210$@access.net> Message-ID: <010801d7f09c$0815f4a0$1841dde0$@gmail.com> This is awesome information Tracy! I am excited to check out some of these apps and the website you referenced. Thank you so much! -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 9:46 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Hi Diane. I want to add a couple things about convention I forgot to say. Some people choose not to take their dog to convention. They don't want to deal with relieving, sniffing, dog distractions, etc. Or they feel that their dog may find the crowds with lots of canes too stressful. It's an option. Also, all the larger schools send reps to convention, and graduates can arrange an appointment to get help with whatever during convention. Some people also use it to get a Juno walk or check out another school, if they're considering switching. About GPS: I use an iPhone. There are also apps for Android, but I don't know them. I use an app called Nearby Explorer. I've also used BlindSquare. They both work similarly. They tell me what street I'm walking on, what street is coming up, what direction I'm headed, and nearby points of interest, though sometimes "nearby" is not actually true. They don't tell me if a street has a sidewalk, or if there are traffic signals. Nearby Explorer can give directions to a place, but, even when I choose walking directions, it may tell me to cross a busy street at a place where there is no traffic signal. It can also be a bit distracting at first. I used to stop and mess with the app, getting it started, and my dog would stand there wondering why we weren't moving. But now I'm a bit smoother at starting it in a place where it won't confuse him. I mainly use it to tell where I am in an unfamiliar area where I know where I'm going, generally, and how to get there, but don't know all the street names or perhaps when I've reached the street I want. Apple-vis.com is a site for blind iPhone users that has reviews and comments about accessibility of lots of apps, including GPS. It's a tremendous resource. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 10:00 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Thank you so much for this Tracy. This is really helpful. Can you explain how you, as a blind person, use GPS? Is there an app for your phone that is user friendly for the blind? I guess I always thought GPS consisted of a bunch of maps and outlines and similar graphics? Which GPS method do you use? Thanks so much again, Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:24 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Hi Diane. I'm sorry your first guide dog experience hasn't been all one might wish, and especially sorry to hear you had a bad fall. And yet you have persevered! How is your dog at following? In large, unfamiliar airports, I usually ask for help when I'm checking in, or when I arrive at the airport, if I've checked in on line. Airports have people whose job it is to help people get places. They'll give you a person, and then the dog follows him/her to where you need to go. I usually tip the person when we've gotten to the gate I need. You can do the same when you get out of the plane, or you can just follow the crowd, who are all headed down to baggage and outside, same as you. If I'm uncertain, I ask someone passing by, and they usually set me straight. They may even be headed the same place as I am, so I can follow them. Convention hotels are usually very big and somewhat confusing, but there are lots of people to ask directions from. There's usually some orientation info in the agenda too, and I think I remember an orientation walk as one of the first events, too. Anyway, I take deep breaths to stay calm, listen up for clues, ask directions, and always stay patient with my dog, and it all works out. You could practice going new places in your town. Walk somewhere you usually don't, for instance. GPS can be helpful when doing this, though you still have to pay attention, because it won't tell you if an area has sidewalks or traffic signals. But it can be fun. And I used to do it without GPS, just remembering how far I'd gone in a direction, so, if I had to, I could turn around and retrace my route. It can be fun. Sometimes, when I'm looking at doing something new or going some place that sounds complicated, I get all anxious. Then I do it and it's fine, and I feel a bit silly for worrying about it, but I also feel joyously free. "I was worried, but I did it, and it was good!" It's empowering. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:56 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Good Evening All, I must admit that I am a little hesitant to post this here, as I know there are many more confident and well seasoned guide dog users in this forum making me a bit concerned about expressing my vulnerabilities. (smile) However I am hoping I can get some pointers which will increase my comfort level as I prepare to travel to the national convention in July. I'll first offer a bit of background, so that you'll have a clear understanding of my situation. I can't recall whether I have posted this here before as I am on several groups pertinent to guide dog users, so my apologies for any redundancies. I didn't decide to transition from cane to dog until I was in my fifties. I requested home training at the time, because my husband was in poor health, and I didn't want to be gone for weeks at a time. I now believe that this was likely a huge mistake for my first dog. I didn't have a good rapport with the instructor who was sent, as he was very condescending and intimidating from the start. Suffice it to say, I probably didn't get the intensity of training that I needed. My girl and I have been together for going on five years now, and the learning curve has been slow. We've made progress, but, for the most part, we have traveled in areas which are familiar to me. We did experience a pretty severe fall, a couple of months into our relationship, which I now think was largely my own fault. I think she was trying to worn me of some steps that I wasn't aware of, and I wasn't picking up on the cue. That did little to increase my confidence, and so there is a fear that still lingers in unfamiliar environments. I have not traveled with her in large airports, or unfamiliar cities. Mostly we travel to and from work and to the occasional restaurant and/or medical appointment. Izzo is a big "sniffer" and is easily distracted by other dogs and people. Putting the gentle leader on her almost makes things worse. She hates it and will begin rubbing her face on me and everything else in her reach trying to get it off. I am really anxious about traveling to the convention in New Orleans this summer and keeping us both safe. I would appreciate any pointers or feedback on how I might best prepare for this, and increase my level of competence. Thanks In Advance, Diane Graves _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com From richardfiorello716 at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 14:56:56 2021 From: richardfiorello716 at gmail.com (richardfiorello716 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:56:56 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas In-Reply-To: <010801d7f09c$0815f4a0$1841dde0$@gmail.com> References: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> <003901d7ef63$f951b000$ebf51000$@access.net> <00b601d7efcd$7f7a13c0$7e6e3b40$@gmail.com> <002c01d7f030$195dc0b0$4c194210$@access.net> <010801d7f09c$0815f4a0$1841dde0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004a01d7f0fa$d763c850$862b58f0$@gmail.com> Hi Diane; Gps can be a big help but it certainly isn't the total answer. It will often give you a route from one destination to another which will work but other routes may be less complicated. There is an app called blind square that I haven't tried that friends say is a good gps app for a i-phone. I personally am using a gps made by humanware which is a stand alone unit. I like the treck primarily because I don't have to work with my touch screen if I want to make some changes while on route. Its rather pricey so I'd start out with an app or two for your phone. As for convention, I have had instructors say that convention is a very stressful time for dogs partially because the area is unfamiliar to both you and your dog and there are lots of distracting people and dogs around to complicate the situation. Don't be to hard on yourself, think of travel as a great adventure. Who knows what interesting things you might find if you get lost? Richard -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 10:38 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas This is awesome information Tracy! I am excited to check out some of these apps and the website you referenced. Thank you so much! -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 9:46 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Hi Diane. I want to add a couple things about convention I forgot to say. Some people choose not to take their dog to convention. They don't want to deal with relieving, sniffing, dog distractions, etc. Or they feel that their dog may find the crowds with lots of canes too stressful. It's an option. Also, all the larger schools send reps to convention, and graduates can arrange an appointment to get help with whatever during convention. Some people also use it to get a Juno walk or check out another school, if they're considering switching. About GPS: I use an iPhone. There are also apps for Android, but I don't know them. I use an app called Nearby Explorer. I've also used BlindSquare. They both work similarly. They tell me what street I'm walking on, what street is coming up, what direction I'm headed, and nearby points of interest, though sometimes "nearby" is not actually true. They don't tell me if a street has a sidewalk, or if there are traffic signals. Nearby Explorer can give directions to a place, but, even when I choose walking directions, it may tell me to cross a busy street at a place where there is no traffic signal. It can also be a bit distracting at first. I used to stop and mess with the app, getting it started, and my dog would stand there wondering why we weren't moving. But now I'm a bit smoother at starting it in a place where it won't confuse him. I mainly use it to tell where I am in an unfamiliar area where I know where I'm going, generally, and how to get there, but don't know all the street names or perhaps when I've reached the street I want. Apple-vis.com is a site for blind iPhone users that has reviews and comments about accessibility of lots of apps, including GPS. It's a tremendous resource. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 10:00 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Thank you so much for this Tracy. This is really helpful. Can you explain how you, as a blind person, use GPS? Is there an app for your phone that is user friendly for the blind? I guess I always thought GPS consisted of a bunch of maps and outlines and similar graphics? Which GPS method do you use? Thanks so much again, Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:24 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Hi Diane. I'm sorry your first guide dog experience hasn't been all one might wish, and especially sorry to hear you had a bad fall. And yet you have persevered! How is your dog at following? In large, unfamiliar airports, I usually ask for help when I'm checking in, or when I arrive at the airport, if I've checked in on line. Airports have people whose job it is to help people get places. They'll give you a person, and then the dog follows him/her to where you need to go. I usually tip the person when we've gotten to the gate I need. You can do the same when you get out of the plane, or you can just follow the crowd, who are all headed down to baggage and outside, same as you. If I'm uncertain, I ask someone passing by, and they usually set me straight. They may even be headed the same place as I am, so I can follow them. Convention hotels are usually very big and somewhat confusing, but there are lots of people to ask directions from. There's usually some orientation info in the agenda too, and I think I remember an orientation walk as one of the first events, too. Anyway, I take deep breaths to stay calm, listen up for clues, ask directions, and always stay patient with my dog, and it all works out. You could practice going new places in your town. Walk somewhere you usually don't, for instance. GPS can be helpful when doing this, though you still have to pay attention, because it won't tell you if an area has sidewalks or traffic signals. But it can be fun. And I used to do it without GPS, just remembering how far I'd gone in a direction, so, if I had to, I could turn around and retrace my route. It can be fun. Sometimes, when I'm looking at doing something new or going some place that sounds complicated, I get all anxious. Then I do it and it's fine, and I feel a bit silly for worrying about it, but I also feel joyously free. "I was worried, but I did it, and it was good!" It's empowering. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:56 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas Good Evening All, I must admit that I am a little hesitant to post this here, as I know there are many more confident and well seasoned guide dog users in this forum making me a bit concerned about expressing my vulnerabilities. (smile) However I am hoping I can get some pointers which will increase my comfort level as I prepare to travel to the national convention in July. I'll first offer a bit of background, so that you'll have a clear understanding of my situation. I can't recall whether I have posted this here before as I am on several groups pertinent to guide dog users, so my apologies for any redundancies. I didn't decide to transition from cane to dog until I was in my fifties. I requested home training at the time, because my husband was in poor health, and I didn't want to be gone for weeks at a time. I now believe that this was likely a huge mistake for my first dog. I didn't have a good rapport with the instructor who was sent, as he was very condescending and intimidating from the start. Suffice it to say, I probably didn't get the intensity of training that I needed. My girl and I have been together for going on five years now, and the learning curve has been slow. We've made progress, but, for the most part, we have traveled in areas which are familiar to me. We did experience a pretty severe fall, a couple of months into our relationship, which I now think was largely my own fault. I think she was trying to worn me of some steps that I wasn't aware of, and I wasn't picking up on the cue. That did little to increase my confidence, and so there is a fear that still lingers in unfamiliar environments. I have not traveled with her in large airports, or unfamiliar cities. Mostly we travel to and from work and to the occasional restaurant and/or medical appointment. Izzo is a big "sniffer" and is easily distracted by other dogs and people. Putting the gentle leader on her almost makes things worse. She hates it and will begin rubbing her face on me and everything else in her reach trying to get it off. I am really anxious about traveling to the convention in New Orleans this summer and keeping us both safe. I would appreciate any pointers or feedback on how I might best prepare for this, and increase my level of competence. Thanks In Advance, Diane Graves _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/richardfiorello716%40gmai l.com From dsykora29 at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 16:37:06 2021 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:37:06 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas In-Reply-To: <004a01d7f0fa$d763c850$862b58f0$@gmail.com> References: <005801d7ef0c$24ff5c00$6efe1400$@gmail.com> <003901d7ef63$f951b000$ebf51000$@access.net> <00b601d7efcd$7f7a13c0$7e6e3b40$@gmail.com> <002c01d7f030$195dc0b0$4c194210$@access.net> <010801d7f09c$0815f4a0$1841dde0$@gmail.com> <004a01d7f0fa$d763c850$862b58f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Diane, You have gotten some great information about using a GPS to assist with planning new routes. I think if you venture out a little bit, even if it is just a short walk to an unfamiliar location in your neighborhood, it will really increase your confidence. Some dogs also show less distraction when they have more mental stimulation, so it might even help your dog too. As for her sniffing, people, and dog distractions, there are a lot of things you can do to improve that. First, I would try introducing the Gentle Leader to her from the beginning, as if this were a brand new tool she has never experienced. Some dogs legitimately don't benefit from the GL, but some just develop a negative association with it that can be improved. Try putting it on her (without a leash attached) right before you feed her, let her eat her meals with it on, and remove it as soon as she is done. You can do this for a week or so. Then try putting it on her for short periods of time with the leash attached. Maybe practice heeling around your house and asking for some obedience behaviors, and intermittently give her food rewards when she doesn't try to rub her head against things. Then try going outside and heeling up and down the sidewalk. You want to give food frequently at first to create a very positive association, and then you can gradually reduce the food. Next put it on for short periods of time while she is working. You can gradually decrease the time she wears the GL. Also, don't take it off until she is still. Removing the GL while she is rubbing her face against things will reinforce that rubbing her face against you will result in you taking off the GL. Some dogs take to head collars in just a few sessions, while other dogs need weeks of gradual introduction to be truly comfortable with it. Also, acclimation to a head collar is most successful when the dog wears the head collar on a somewhat regular basis. If the dog was desensitized to wearing a head collar but then you don't use one for six months, you will probably need to start over. I like to put a head collar on my dogs a few times a month even if they don't necessarily need it at the time, just to keep them used to wearing it. If the GL really ends up being more of a distraction than a help, the next best thing for sniffing in particular is a collar that sits up high on the neck along with holding the leash in your right hand. If you hold the leash in your right hand in the places your dog is most likely to sniff, you can correct the instant she starts to turn her head. If the leash is in your left hand, she will be able to turn her head and sniff for a couple seconds (and thus self reward) before you can correct with your left hand. If you are using a martingale, you can tighten it a little to help it stay up higher on her neck. Putting a flat collar lower on the neck is also a really easy way to keep a martingale, and in some cases even a slip chain, higher up on the neck. A prong collar also works well for this. Prongs are actually not cruel like a lot of people believe, but I wouldn't recommend using one without knowing the propper fit or on a very sensitive dog. There are a lot of ways to work on people and dog distractions, but I don't really want to get into that without knowing the strength and particulars of your dog's distraction. If it is really an issue for your safety and public perception of her behavior, contacting the program for help would be a good choice. You can politely let them know you didn't feel comfortable with your instructor, so they can find someone else to assist you. An in person visit from another instructor may or may not be possible depending on geography, but they may very well be able to have another instructor provide some tips via phone, email, or video chat. Good luck, Danielle On 12/14/21, Richard via NAGDU wrote: > Hi Diane; > Gps can be a big help but it certainly isn't the total answer. It will > often give you a route from one destination to another which will work but > other routes may be less complicated. There is an app called blind square > that I haven't tried that friends say is a good gps app for a i-phone. I > personally am using a gps made by humanware which is a stand alone unit. I > like the treck primarily because I don't have to work with my touch screen > if I want to make some changes while on route. Its rather pricey so I'd > start out with an app or two for your phone. > As for convention, I have had instructors say that convention is a very > stressful time for dogs partially because the area is unfamiliar to both > you > and your dog and there are lots of distracting people and dogs around to > complicate the situation. Don't be to hard on yourself, think of travel as > a great adventure. Who knows what interesting things you might find if you > get lost? > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 10:38 PM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > > Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas > > This is awesome information Tracy! I am excited to check out some of these > apps and the website you referenced. Thank you so much! > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via > NAGDU > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 9:46 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas > > Hi Diane. > I want to add a couple things about convention I forgot to say. > Some people choose not to take their dog to convention. They don't want to > deal with relieving, sniffing, dog distractions, etc. Or they feel that > their dog may find the crowds with lots of canes too stressful. It's an > option. > Also, all the larger schools send reps to convention, and graduates can > arrange an appointment to get help with whatever during convention. Some > people also use it to get a Juno walk or check out another school, if > they're considering switching. > > About GPS: > I use an iPhone. There are also apps for Android, but I don't know them. > I use an app called Nearby Explorer. I've also used BlindSquare. They > both > work similarly. They tell me what street I'm walking on, what street is > coming up, what direction I'm headed, and nearby points of interest, though > sometimes "nearby" is not actually true. They don't tell me if a street > has > a sidewalk, or if there are traffic signals. Nearby Explorer can give > directions to a place, but, even when I choose walking directions, it may > tell me to cross a busy street at a place where there is no traffic signal. > > It can also be a bit distracting at first. I used to stop and mess with > the > app, getting it started, and my dog would stand there wondering why we > weren't moving. But now I'm a bit smoother at starting it in a place where > it won't confuse him. > I mainly use it to tell where I am in an unfamiliar area where I know where > I'm going, generally, and how to get there, but don't know all the street > names or perhaps when I've reached the street I want. > > Apple-vis.com is a site for blind iPhone users that has reviews and > comments > about accessibility of lots of apps, including GPS. It's a tremendous > resource. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via > NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 10:00 PM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas > > Thank you so much for this Tracy. This is really helpful. Can you explain > how you, as a blind person, use GPS? Is there an app for your phone that is > user friendly for the blind? I guess I always thought GPS consisted of a > bunch of maps and outlines and similar graphics? Which GPS method do you > use? > > Thanks so much again, > Diane Graves > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via > NAGDU > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:24 AM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > > Cc: Tracy Carcione > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas > > Hi Diane. > I'm sorry your first guide dog experience hasn't been all one might wish, > and especially sorry to hear you had a bad fall. And yet you have > persevered! > How is your dog at following? In large, unfamiliar airports, I usually ask > for help when I'm checking in, or when I arrive at the airport, if I've > checked in on line. Airports have people whose job it is to help people > get > places. They'll give you a person, and then the dog follows him/her to > where you need to go. I usually tip the person when we've gotten to the > gate I need. You can do the same when you get out of the plane, or you can > just follow the crowd, who are all headed down to baggage and outside, same > as you. If I'm uncertain, I ask someone passing by, and they usually set > me > straight. They may even be headed the same place as I am, so I can follow > them. > > Convention hotels are usually very big and somewhat confusing, but there > are > lots of people to ask directions from. There's usually some orientation > info in the agenda too, and I think I remember an orientation walk as one > of > the first events, too. Anyway, I take deep breaths to stay calm, listen up > for clues, ask directions, and always stay patient with my dog, and it all > works out. > > You could practice going new places in your town. Walk somewhere you > usually don't, for instance. GPS can be helpful when doing this, though > you > still have to pay attention, because it won't tell you if an area has > sidewalks or traffic signals. But it can be fun. And I used to do it > without GPS, just remembering how far I'd gone in a direction, so, if I had > to, I could turn around and retrace my route. It can be fun. > > Sometimes, when I'm looking at doing something new or going some place that > sounds complicated, I get all anxious. Then I do it and it's fine, and I > feel a bit silly for worrying about it, but I also feel joyously free. "I > was worried, but I did it, and it was good!" It's empowering. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via > NAGDU > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:56 PM > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' > Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com > Subject: [NAGDU] Seeking Feedback Re: Traveling in unfamiliar Areas > > Good Evening All, > > > > I must admit that I am a little hesitant to post this here, as I know there > are many more confident and well seasoned guide dog users in this forum > making me a bit concerned about expressing my vulnerabilities. (smile) > However I am hoping I can get some pointers which will increase my comfort > level as I prepare to travel to the national convention in July. > > > > I'll first offer a bit of background, so that you'll have a clear > understanding of my situation. I can't recall whether I have posted this > here before as I am on several groups pertinent to guide dog users, so my > apologies for any redundancies. > > > > I didn't decide to transition from cane to dog until I was in my fifties. I > requested home training at the time, because my husband was in poor health, > and I didn't want to be gone for weeks at a time. I now believe that this > was likely a huge mistake for my first dog. I didn't have a good rapport > with the instructor who was sent, as he was very condescending and > intimidating from the start. Suffice it to say, I probably didn't get the > intensity of training that I needed. > > > > My girl and I have been together for going on five years now, and the > learning curve has been slow. We've made progress, but, for the most part, > we have traveled in areas which are familiar to me. We did experience a > pretty severe fall, a couple of months into our relationship, which I now > think was largely my own fault. I think she was trying to worn me of some > steps that I wasn't aware of, and I wasn't picking up on the cue. That did > little to increase my confidence, and so there is a fear that still lingers > in unfamiliar environments. I have not traveled with her in large airports, > or unfamiliar cities. Mostly we travel to and from work and to the > occasional restaurant and/or medical appointment. > > Izzo is a big "sniffer" and is easily distracted by other dogs and people. > Putting the gentle leader on her almost makes things worse. She hates it > and > will begin rubbing her face on me and everything else in her reach trying > to > get it off. > > > > I am really anxious about traveling to the convention in New Orleans this > summer and keeping us both safe. I would appreciate any pointers or > feedback > on how I might best prepare for this, and increase my level of competence. > > > > Thanks In Advance, > > Diane Graves > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/richardfiorello716%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From jeninems at icloud.com Wed Dec 15 14:51:13 2021 From: jeninems at icloud.com (Jenine Stanley) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:51:13 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas In-Reply-To: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> Thanks Steve for the slight edits to my original. ??? > On Dec 12, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Steve Cook via NAGDU wrote: > > A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas > > 'Twas the night before Christmas, the kennels were still, > with most dogs asleep, having eaten their fill. > The German Shephards were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, > While visions of milk bones danced in their heads. > The German Shephards were curled up on the floor, > some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. > The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, > in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. > Off by the window, a kennel cat lay, > surveying the lawn at the end of his day. > Something was different, that little cat knew - > something would happen, it had to be true. > That day as the workers had left to go home, > they'd wished "Merry Christmas" before starting to roam. > The dogs had all noticed that during their walks, > the trainers seemed happier and eager to talk. > In the mall where they worked amid people and stores, > there were decorations, music, distractions galore! > Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, > some balked at the man with those fake-looking deer. > The cat was near sleeping when he first heard the sound, > a whoosh through the air and a jingle abound. > The sound of a collar when an animal shook, > but the sound just kept growing - he'd better go look. > From the ceiling there came a kind of a thunk, > As the kennel cat climbed up on a pile of junk. > But the dogs were still quiet, all sleeping so sound, > as this man dressed in red made his way to the ground. > He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, > then made his way right to the old coffee pot. > A German Shephards sat up, not fully awake, > then another German Shephards soon followed with a mighty loud shake. > That did it...the dogs filled the kennel with noise, > but in spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. > He filled the pot full and it started to brew, > then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. > Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, > he knew well their jobs, and the people they led. > Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, > while others continued their deafening howl. > Laying a finger in front of his lips, > the jolly old man soon silenced their yips. > He smiled, laughed, and took a short pause. > "You may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," > He filled up his mug with hot coffee and cream, > and said, "Meeting you all has been one of my dreams." > The cat jumped down to explore Santa's pack. > He said, "Sorry, kitty, I've emptied my sack." > Santa smiled, drank, looked in their eyes ? > deep brown and gold, all wide with surprise. > Some of these dogs he'd seen just last year, > All in their homes - cute, full of good cheer. > He'd seen the effect of a pup on a tree, > but now they were here, just waiting to be. > "I didn't bring presents or bones to chew. > But I'll tell you what's better ? and what you're to do. > You'll all worked hard and the trainers will share, > both praise and correction, gentle and fair. > You'll go lots of places and face scary things, > you'll ride buses, planes, and hear sirens ring. > Cars will drive at you, you'll know what to do, > Moving from danger, not moving into. > Then, when you think your trainer's the best, > the kindest, and funniest, just toss all the rest; > That trainer will leave you, and give you away, > handing your leash over despite your dismay. > The one who will feed you might see just a tad, > Or maybe it's just that their focus is bad. > So you little buggers will work as their eyes > To be a great team and discover the prize. > The prize isn't kibble, or even new toys, > It's leading your partner, you good girls and boys. > Santa sipped coffee, looked over the brood, > But what he said next seemed just a bit rude. > ?Some may not make it and won't become guides. > But time here's not wasted, no casting aside. > Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs, > some will be pets with new dads and moms. > When the last drop of coffee had gone from his cup > Santa turned, and smiled at each wide-eyed pup. > "The best gift of all is to give something back. > And that's why there's nothing for you in my pack. > Draining his mug, he went to each pen, > Petting and scratching each dog yet again. > "The following years, even more after that, > you'll all give great gifts wherever you're at. > You might lick a hand on a really bad day, > or notice a car and step out of its way. > You might catch a crook or discover some loot, > bring joy to a old man in a funny red suit. > Your master will love you and treat you with care, > knowing your training will always be there." > After the last had been petted and soothed, > He rinsed out the mug and made ready to move. > To the ladder he climbed for the door high above, > with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his glove. > All the dog's ears were pricked as he flew out of sight, > Saying, "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!" > > Steve Cook > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com From terri at lasertune.com Thu Dec 16 03:22:08 2021 From: terri at lasertune.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGVycmk=?=) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:22:08 +0300 Subject: [NAGDU] =?utf-8?q?A_Guide_Dog=27s_Night_Before_Christmas?= In-Reply-To: <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1639624928.99469633@f25.my.com> Was thd original all guide dogs? Labs included? Sent from myMail for iOS Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 6:52 AM -0800 from nagdu at nfbnet.org : >Thanks Steve for the slight edits to my original. ??? > >> On Dec 12, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Steve Cook via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote: >> >> A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas >> >> 'Twas the night before Christmas, the kennels were still, >> with most dogs asleep, having eaten their fill. >> The German Shephards were sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, >> While visions of milk bones danced in their heads. >> The German Shephards were curled up on the floor, >> some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. >> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, >> in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. >> Off by the window, a kennel cat lay, >> surveying the lawn at the end of his day. >> Something was different, that little cat knew - >> something would happen, it had to be true. >> That day as the workers had left to go home, >> they'd wished "Merry Christmas" before starting to roam. >> The dogs had all noticed that during their walks, >> the trainers seemed happier and eager to talk. >> In the mall where they worked amid people and stores, >> there were decorations, music, distractions galore! >> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, >> some balked at the man with those fake-looking deer. >> The cat was near sleeping when he first heard the sound, >> a whoosh through the air and a jingle abound. >> The sound of a collar when an animal shook, >> but the sound just kept growing - he'd better go look. >> From the ceiling there came a kind of a thunk, >> As the kennel cat climbed up on a pile of junk. >> But the dogs were still quiet, all sleeping so sound, >> as this man dressed in red made his way to the ground. >> He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, >> then made his way right to the old coffee pot. >> A German Shephards sat up, not fully awake, >> then another German Shephards soon followed with a mighty loud shake. >> That did it...the dogs filled the kennel with noise, >> but in spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. >> He filled the pot full and it started to brew, >> then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. >> Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, >> he knew well their jobs, and the people they led. >> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, >> while others continued their deafening howl. >> Laying a finger in front of his lips, >> the jolly old man soon silenced their yips. >> He smiled, laughed, and took a short pause. >> "You may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," >> He filled up his mug with hot coffee and cream, >> and said, "Meeting you all has been one of my dreams." >> The cat jumped down to explore Santa's pack. >> He said, "Sorry, kitty, I've emptied my sack." >> Santa smiled, drank, looked in their eyes ? >> deep brown and gold, all wide with surprise. >> Some of these dogs he'd seen just last year, >> All in their homes - cute, full of good cheer. >> He'd seen the effect of a pup on a tree, >> but now they were here, just waiting to be. >> "I didn't bring presents or bones to chew. >> But I'll tell you what's better ? and what you're to do. >> You'll all worked hard and the trainers will share, >> both praise and correction, gentle and fair. >> You'll go lots of places and face scary things, >> you'll ride buses, planes, and hear sirens ring. >> Cars will drive at you, you'll know what to do, >> Moving from danger, not moving into. >> Then, when you think your trainer's the best, >> the kindest, and funniest, just toss all the rest; >> That trainer will leave you, and give you away, >> handing your leash over despite your dismay. >> The one who will feed you might see just a tad, >> Or maybe it's just that their focus is bad. >> So you little buggers will work as their eyes >> To be a great team and discover the prize. >> The prize isn't kibble, or even new toys, >> It's leading your partner, you good girls and boys. >> Santa sipped coffee, looked over the brood, >> But what he said next seemed just a bit rude. >> ?Some may not make it and won't become guides. >> But time here's not wasted, no casting aside. >> Some will be drug dogs and some will find bombs, >> some will be pets with new dads and moms. >> When the last drop of coffee had gone from his cup >> Santa turned, and smiled at each wide-eyed pup. >> "The best gift of all is to give something back. >> And that's why there's nothing for you in my pack. >> Draining his mug, he went to each pen, >> Petting and scratching each dog yet again. >> "The following years, even more after that, >> you'll all give great gifts wherever you're at. >> You might lick a hand on a really bad day, >> or notice a car and step out of its way. >> You might catch a crook or discover some loot, >> bring joy to a old man in a funny red suit. >> Your master will love you and treat you with care, >> knowing your training will always be there." >> After the last had been petted and soothed, >> He rinsed out the mug and made ready to move. >> To the ladder he climbed for the door high above, >> with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his glove. >> All the dog's ears were pricked as he flew out of sight, >> Saying, "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!" >> >> Steve Cook >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com > > >_______________________________________________ >NAGDU mailing list >NAGDU at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/terri%40lasertune.com From bgmusicmin at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 11:57:07 2021 From: bgmusicmin at gmail.com (bgmusicmin at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:57:07 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Questions regarding spirit Airlines required service animal paperwork Message-ID: <1BAAB274-0037-4208-88D5-2D4E1B848D78@gmail.com> Hello all, This is my first time flying with my guide dogs since the new regulations have taken affect. I do have some questions regarding the paperwork that Spirit Airlines is requiring. As part of the requirements, spirit airline is requiring that anyone flying with a service animal complete the DOT form. I know that they are permitted to require this. However, when submitting the completed DOT form two spirits online portal, in addition to asking for the flight date, flight confirmation code, and flight time, spirit is also requiring that you specifically list the tasks that your service animal has been trained to perform. You cannot upload the completed DOT form to their online portal without specifically answering the question about what specific tasks your service animal has been trained to perform. with the new regulations, I know that airlines are legally able to require the completed DOT form. But, are they permitted to also require you to specifically outline what tasks your dog has been trained to perform? This information is also listed in the DOT form that I have completed. Additionally, when making my reservation, I indicated that my dog is a service dog for vision. Just was not sure if spirits current practice of requiring you to specifically llist what tasks your service dog has been trained to perform beyond what is included in the DOT form is permissible under the new regulations? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Due to a family emergency, I booked my ticket last night and submitted the completed DOT form this morning to spirit and I did go ahead and answer their specific question regarding the tasks that my service dog has been trained to perform. Since I am flying out very early Saturday morning, I don?t want any problems and just went ahead and filled everything out. Unfortunately, last night when I booked my ticket, there seems to be some technical issues going on with the spirit website last night and I was not able to access their online portal to submit the service animal documentation until this morning. So, hopefully, they will not give me any trouble for submitting my documentation in just under the 48 hour mark. If what spirit is requiring beyond the DOT form is not permitted under the new regulations, would this warrant a complaint to the DOT? If so, how does one go about filing a complaint to the DOT regarding this issue? Also, once I submitted all of my documentation to Spirit this morning, I received an email from spirit indicating that they have received it and will approve my documentation as soon as possible. Do I need to receive their official approval before I can fly on Saturday morning? If I do not receive their approval and it is required that I do so before I fly, how would I go about dealing with this? Since I am flying last minute due to a family emergency, I really don?t want there to be any unnecessary Problems regarding this issue once I arrive at the airport. Lastly, on a very surprising note, spirits online portal with the questions about your flight and service animal along with the process of uploading the completed DOT form is accessible using JAWS using windows with the fire fox browser. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the accessibility of this online portal or uploading process with any other screen readers, on any other platforms, or with any other browsers. Again, thank you for any info you are able to provide. Melissa From s.wilson661 at icloud.com Thu Dec 16 12:08:56 2021 From: s.wilson661 at icloud.com (Scott Wilson) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 07:08:56 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Questions regarding spirit Airlines required service animal paperwork In-Reply-To: <1BAAB274-0037-4208-88D5-2D4E1B848D78@gmail.com> References: <1BAAB274-0037-4208-88D5-2D4E1B848D78@gmail.com> Message-ID: Since you?re flying on short notice I would recommend carrying a paper copy with you if possible. This will cover any problems they have with the upload of your documentation. The tasks requirement of your service animal is part of the DOT forms. And you can find those on the DOT website. Just search for ACAA Forms and it should pull it up in your web browser. I usually give a vague answer stating my dog guides me and keeps me safe from obstacles. I?m sorry to hear that you had difficulties uploading your information to spirit. There is a clause in there that if you have to Fly on short notice, within 48 hours of your flight you can show this documentation and paper form to the gate agents. Wishing you a safe and healthy trip, tails up! > On Dec 16, 2021, at 6:59 AM, bgmusicmin--- via NAGDU wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > This is my first time flying with my guide dogs since the new regulations have taken affect. I do have some questions regarding the paperwork that Spirit Airlines is requiring. > > As part of the requirements, spirit airline is requiring that anyone flying with a service animal complete the DOT form. I know that they are permitted to require this. However, when submitting the completed DOT form two spirits online portal, in addition to asking for the flight date, flight confirmation code, and flight time, spirit is also requiring that you specifically list the tasks that your service animal has been trained to perform. You cannot upload the completed DOT form to their online portal without specifically answering the question about what specific tasks your service animal has been trained to perform. with the new regulations, I know that airlines are legally able to require the completed DOT form. But, are they permitted to also require you to specifically outline what tasks your dog has been trained to perform? This information is also listed in the DOT form that I have completed. Additionally, when making my reservation, I indicated that my dog is a service dog for vision. Just was not sure if spirits current practice of requiring you to specifically llist what tasks your service dog has been trained to perform beyond what is included in the DOT form is permissible under the new regulations? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Due to a family emergency, I booked my ticket last night and submitted the completed DOT form this morning to spirit and I did go ahead and answer their specific question regarding the tasks that my service dog has been trained to perform. Since I am flying out very early Saturday morning, I don?t want any problems and just went ahead and filled everything out. Unfortunately, last night when I booked my ticket, there seems to be some technical issues going on with the spirit website last night and I was not able to access their online portal to submit the service animal documentation until this morning. So, hopefully, they will not give me any trouble for submitting my documentation in just under the 48 hour mark. If what spirit is requiring beyond the DOT form is not permitted under the new regulations, would this warrant a complaint to the DOT? If so, how does one go about filing a complaint to the DOT regarding this issue? > > Also, once I submitted all of my documentation to Spirit this morning, I received an email from spirit indicating that they have received it and will approve my documentation as soon as possible. Do I need to receive their official approval before I can fly on Saturday morning? If I do not receive their approval and it is required that I do so before I fly, how would I go about dealing with this? Since I am flying last minute due to a family emergency, I really don?t want there to be any unnecessary Problems regarding this issue once I arrive at the airport. > > Lastly, on a very surprising note, spirits online portal with the questions about your flight and service animal along with the process of uploading the completed DOT form is accessible using JAWS using windows with the fire fox browser. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the accessibility of this online portal or uploading process with any other screen readers, on any other platforms, or with any other browsers. > > Again, thank you for any info you are able to provide. > > Melissa > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/s.wilson661%40icloud.com From carcione at access.net Thu Dec 16 13:16:36 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:16:36 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas In-Reply-To: <1639624928.99469633@f25.my.com> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> <1639624928.99469633@f25.my.com> Message-ID: <002c01d7f27f$27761f20$76625d60$@access.net> Yes. I'll paste the original, since you asked. I prefer it, really. Labradors with visions of anything edible dancing in their heads, oh yeah! Tracy 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS Copyright 1996 Jenine Stanley 'Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with most dogs now asleep having eaten their fill. The Labradors sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions of ANYTHING edible danced in their heads. And the Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor, some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. On the window ledge, one of the kennel cats lay, surveying the lawn at the end of this day. Something was different, that little cat knew. Tonight something would happen, it had to be true. For that day as the workers had left to go home, They'd wished Merry Christmas! before starting to roam. The dogs had noticed it to during this past week's walks, the trainers seemed just that much happier and eager to talk. In the mall where they worked through the maze of people and stores, there were decoration and music and distractions galore! Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some balked at the man on the sleigh and those fake looking deer. The cat was almost asleep too when he first heard the sound, a whoosh through the air and a jingle around. It reminded him of a dog's collar when the animal shook, but this sound kept on growing. He'd better go look. From the ceiling there came a faint sort of thunk, as the kennel cat climbed to the highest pile of junk. Once before people had worked on the roof, and come down through the trap door to a chorus of "Woooof!" But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man dressed in red made his way right on down. He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, then made his way right to the trainers' coffee pot. A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, then a Golden followed her with a mighty loud shake. That did it! All the dogs sprang to life with loud noise. In spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. He filled the pot full and it started to brew, then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, he knew well their jobs, the blind people they led. Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others delighted in their own deafening howl. Laying a finger in front of his lips, the jolly old man silenced the excitable yips. "You all may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," the old man smiled and took a short pause, While he filled up his mug with hot liquid and cream, "I've always wanted to stop here. It's been one of my dreams." The cat had climbed down and was exploring Santa's sack. "Yes, little kitty, that's an empty pack." Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones and gold ones held wide in surprise. Some of these dogs, he'd seen just last year, in their puppy homes, cute and full of holiday cheer. He'd seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here at the school, just waiting to be. "I didn't bring you presents or bones just to chew. I'll tell you something better, what you are going to do." "You all will work hard and the trainers will share, both praise and correction, gentle and fair." "You'll go lots of places and face big scary things. You'll ride buses and subways and hear fire sirens ring." "Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving into danger, not moving toward wrong." "And then just when you think that this trainer's the best, the kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest," "That trainer will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over despite your dismay." "Now the person who pets you and feeds you will be a blind person. That's a person who can't see." "This man or this woman may see just a tad, but their view's missing parts or the focus is bad." "So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as a team and discover the size" "Of this great world we live in, because you will go a million new places with this person, you know." Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, knowing what he had to say next might sound kind of rude. "Not all of you will make it and become canine guides. Your time here isn't wasted though. You won't be cast aside." "Some of you will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will become pets in a home with a dad and a mom." "All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to receive such good dogs as you, the school folks insist." The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup as Santa turned, smiling at each wide eyed pup. "The best gift of all is to give something back. That's why there's nothing for you all inside of my pack." Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched each dog again and again. "Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give gifts wherever you're at." "You might lick a hand that's had a bad day, Or notice a car and step out of the way." "You might help catch a crook or discover some loot, Or just bring some joy to a tired old man in a funny red suit." "Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your training and trust will always be there." After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the coffee pot and made ready to move. Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his gloves. And all the dog ears were pricked as he disappeared out of sight. "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!" (Author Unknown) Jenine Stanley From jeninems at icloud.com Thu Dec 16 14:16:07 2021 From: jeninems at icloud.com (Jenine Stanley) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:16:07 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas In-Reply-To: <002c01d7f27f$27761f20$76625d60$@access.net> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> <1639624928.99469633@f25.my.com> <002c01d7f27f$27761f20$76625d60$@access.net> Message-ID: Thanks Tracy, Yikes, can?t believe it?s been 25 years since I wrote that. > On Dec 16, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > Yes. I'll paste the original, since you asked. I prefer it, really. Labradors with visions of anything edible dancing in their heads, oh yeah! > Tracy > > 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS > > Copyright 1996 Jenine Stanley > > 'Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, > with most dogs now asleep having eaten their fill. > > The Labradors sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, > while visions of ANYTHING edible danced in their heads. > > And the Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor, > some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. > > The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, > in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. > > > On the window ledge, one of the kennel cats lay, > surveying the lawn at the end of this day. > > Something was different, that little cat knew. > Tonight something would happen, it had to be true. > > For that day as the workers had left to go home, > They'd wished Merry Christmas! before starting to roam. > > The dogs had noticed it to during this past week's walks, > the trainers seemed just that much happier and eager to talk. > > In the mall where they worked through the maze of people and stores, > there were decoration and music and distractions galore! > > Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, > but some balked at the man on the sleigh and those fake looking deer. > > The cat was almost asleep too when he first heard the sound, > a whoosh through the air and a jingle around. > > It reminded him of a dog's collar when the animal shook, > but this sound kept on growing. He'd better go look. > > From the ceiling there came a faint sort of thunk, > as the kennel cat climbed to the highest pile of junk. > > Once before people had worked on the roof, > and come down through the trap door to a chorus of "Woooof!" > > But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, > as this man dressed in red made his way right on down. > > He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, > then made his way right to the trainers' coffee pot. > > A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, > then a Golden followed her with a mighty loud shake. > > That did it! All the dogs sprang to life with loud noise. > In spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. > > He filled the pot full and it started to brew, > then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. > > Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, > he knew well their jobs, the blind people they led. > > Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, > while others delighted in their own deafening howl. > > Laying a finger in front of his lips, > the jolly old man silenced the excitable yips. > > "You all may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," > the old man smiled and took a short pause, > > While he filled up his mug with hot liquid and cream, > "I've always wanted to stop here. It's been one of my dreams." > > The cat had climbed down and was exploring Santa's sack. > "Yes, little kitty, that's an empty pack." > > Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, > deep brown ones and gold ones held wide in surprise. > > Some of these dogs, he'd seen just last year, > in their puppy homes, cute and full of holiday cheer. > > He'd seen the effects of a pup on the tree, > but now they were here at the school, just waiting to be. > > "I didn't bring you presents or bones just to chew. > I'll tell you something better, what you are going to do." > > "You all will work hard and the trainers will share, > both praise and correction, gentle and fair." > > "You'll go lots of places and face big scary things. > You'll ride buses and subways and hear fire sirens ring." > > "Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, > not moving into danger, not moving toward wrong." > > "And then just when you think that this trainer's the best, > the kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest," > > "That trainer will begin to ignore you and give you away, > handing your leash over despite your dismay." > > "Now the person who pets you and feeds you will be > a blind person. That's a person who can't see." > > "This man or this woman may see just a tad, > but their view's missing parts or the focus is bad." > > "So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. > You will work as a team and discover the size" > > "Of this great world we live in, because you will go > a million new places with this person, you know." > > Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, > knowing what he had to say next might sound kind of rude. > > "Not all of you will make it and become canine guides. > Your time here isn't wasted though. You won't be cast aside." > > "Some of you will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. > Some will become pets in a home with a dad and a mom." > > "All these things are important. People wait on long lists, > to receive such good dogs as you, the school folks insist." > > The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup > as Santa turned, smiling at each wide eyed pup. > > "The best gift of all is to give something back. > That's why there's nothing for you all inside of my pack." > > Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, > and petted and scratched each dog again and again. > > "Now next year and many more years after that, > you all will give gifts wherever you're at." > > "You might lick a hand that's had a bad day, > Or notice a car and step out of the way." > > "You might help catch a crook or discover some loot, > Or just bring some joy to a tired old man in a funny red suit." > > "Your master will love you and treat you with care. > In return, your training and trust will always be there." > > After the last dog had been petted and soothed, > Santa put away the coffee pot and made ready to move. > > Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, > with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his gloves. > > And all the dog ears were pricked as he disappeared out of sight. > "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!" > > > (Author Unknown) > Jenine Stanley > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com From MAllman at seeingeye.org Thu Dec 16 14:45:14 2021 From: MAllman at seeingeye.org (Melissa Allman) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:45:14 +0000 Subject: [NAGDU] Questions regarding spirit Airlines required service animal paperwork In-Reply-To: <1BAAB274-0037-4208-88D5-2D4E1B848D78@gmail.com> References: <1BAAB274-0037-4208-88D5-2D4E1B848D78@gmail.com> Message-ID: HI Melissa. I think it's great that you took the time to share your experience with Spirit on this list. It's good to know their online portal was accessible. So many things have been changing with how the airlines are implementing the new DOT regulations. I think Spirit can under the new regs ask you what tasks your dog performs although it is very annoying that you have to provide duplicative information. Others have experienced this with various airlines. It sounds like you got your information to them within the 48 hours, but even if there is a glitch with your form, you can technically ask for assistance with the form at the airport as a reasonable accommodation. Below is a link to The Seeing Eye web site with information about the new regs. It does include a link to the DOT complaint form should you feel you need to file a complaint. The form is very accessible. https://www.seeingeye.org/knowledge-center/rights--legal-information/airlines-and-cruise-ships.html Also, when you are at the airport, if you think the airline is discriminating against you, ask to speak to a Complaint Resolution Official (CRO). I'm sorry to hear about your family emergency and I hope this information is helpful, though there may be other resources others might wish to share with you. Safe travels. Melissa Melissa Allman Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations The Seeing Eye P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ?07963-0375 (mail) 1 Seeing Eye Way, Morristown, NJ?07960-3378 (deliveries) 973-539-4425 ext. x1724?| mallman at seeingeye.org |?www.SeeingEye.org Your support helps us create extraordinary teams. Please help The Seeing Eye by making a donation today. -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of bgmusicmin--- via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 6:57 AM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: bgmusicmin at gmail.com Subject: [NAGDU] Questions regarding spirit Airlines required service animal paperwork Hello all, This is my first time flying with my guide dogs since the new regulations have taken affect. I do have some questions regarding the paperwork that Spirit Airlines is requiring. As part of the requirements, spirit airline is requiring that anyone flying with a service animal complete the DOT form. I know that they are permitted to require this. However, when submitting the completed DOT form two spirits online portal, in addition to asking for the flight date, flight confirmation code, and flight time, spirit is also requiring that you specifically list the tasks that your service animal has been trained to perform. You cannot upload the completed DOT form to their online portal without specifically answering the question about what specific tasks your service animal has been trained to perform. with the new regulations, I know that airlines are legally able to require the completed DOT form. But, are they permitted to also require you to specifically outline what tasks your dog has been trained to perform? This information is also listed in the DOT form that I have completed. Additionally, when making my reservation, I indicated that my dog is a service dog for vision. Just was not sure if spirits current practice of requiring you to specifically llist what tasks your service dog has been trained to perform beyond what is included in the DOT form is permissible under the new regulations? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Due to a family emergency, I booked my ticket last night and submitted the completed DOT form this morning to spirit and I did go ahead and answer their specific question regarding the tasks that my service dog has been trained to perform. Since I am flying out very early Saturday morning, I don?t want any problems and just went ahead and filled everything out. Unfortunately, last night when I booked my ticket, there seems to be some technical issues going on with the spirit website last night and I was not able to access their online portal to submit the service animal documentation until this morning. So, hopefully, they will not give me any trouble for submitting my documentation in just under the 48 hour mark. If what spirit is requiring beyond the DOT form is not permitted under the new regulations, would this warrant a complaint to the DOT? If so, how does one go about filing a complaint to the DOT regarding this issue? Also, once I submitted all of my documentation to Spirit this morning, I received an email from spirit indicating that they have received it and will approve my documentation as soon as possible. Do I need to receive their official approval before I can fly on Saturday morning? If I do not receive their approval and it is required that I do so before I fly, how would I go about dealing with this? Since I am flying last minute due to a family emergency, I really don?t want there to be any unnecessary Problems regarding this issue once I arrive at the airport. Lastly, on a very surprising note, spirits online portal with the questions about your flight and service animal along with the process of uploading the completed DOT form is accessible using JAWS using windows with the fire fox browser. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the accessibility of this online portal or uploading process with any other screen readers, on any other platforms, or with any other browsers. Again, thank you for any info you are able to provide. Melissa _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/mallman%40seeingeye.org From carcione at access.net Thu Dec 16 15:01:33 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:01:33 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas In-Reply-To: References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> <1639624928.99469633@f25.my.com> <002c01d7f27f$27761f20$76625d60$@access.net> Message-ID: <005101d7f28d$d0ae18a0$720a49e0$@access.net> It's a classic! So glad you wrote it. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 9:16 AM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jenine Stanley Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas Thanks Tracy, Yikes, can?t believe it?s been 25 years since I wrote that. > On Dec 16, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > Yes. I'll paste the original, since you asked. I prefer it, really. Labradors with visions of anything edible dancing in their heads, oh yeah! > Tracy > > 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS > > Copyright 1996 Jenine Stanley > > 'Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, > with most dogs now asleep having eaten their fill. > > The Labradors sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, > while visions of ANYTHING edible danced in their heads. > > And the Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor, > some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. > > The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, > in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. > > > On the window ledge, one of the kennel cats lay, > surveying the lawn at the end of this day. > > Something was different, that little cat knew. > Tonight something would happen, it had to be true. > > For that day as the workers had left to go home, > They'd wished Merry Christmas! before starting to roam. > > The dogs had noticed it to during this past week's walks, > the trainers seemed just that much happier and eager to talk. > > In the mall where they worked through the maze of people and stores, > there were decoration and music and distractions galore! > > Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, > but some balked at the man on the sleigh and those fake looking deer. > > The cat was almost asleep too when he first heard the sound, > a whoosh through the air and a jingle around. > > It reminded him of a dog's collar when the animal shook, > but this sound kept on growing. He'd better go look. > > From the ceiling there came a faint sort of thunk, > as the kennel cat climbed to the highest pile of junk. > > Once before people had worked on the roof, > and come down through the trap door to a chorus of "Woooof!" > > But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, > as this man dressed in red made his way right on down. > > He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, > then made his way right to the trainers' coffee pot. > > A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, > then a Golden followed her with a mighty loud shake. > > That did it! All the dogs sprang to life with loud noise. > In spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. > > He filled the pot full and it started to brew, > then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. > > Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, > he knew well their jobs, the blind people they led. > > Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, > while others delighted in their own deafening howl. > > Laying a finger in front of his lips, > the jolly old man silenced the excitable yips. > > "You all may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," > the old man smiled and took a short pause, > > While he filled up his mug with hot liquid and cream, > "I've always wanted to stop here. It's been one of my dreams." > > The cat had climbed down and was exploring Santa's sack. > "Yes, little kitty, that's an empty pack." > > Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, > deep brown ones and gold ones held wide in surprise. > > Some of these dogs, he'd seen just last year, > in their puppy homes, cute and full of holiday cheer. > > He'd seen the effects of a pup on the tree, > but now they were here at the school, just waiting to be. > > "I didn't bring you presents or bones just to chew. > I'll tell you something better, what you are going to do." > > "You all will work hard and the trainers will share, > both praise and correction, gentle and fair." > > "You'll go lots of places and face big scary things. > You'll ride buses and subways and hear fire sirens ring." > > "Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, > not moving into danger, not moving toward wrong." > > "And then just when you think that this trainer's the best, > the kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest," > > "That trainer will begin to ignore you and give you away, > handing your leash over despite your dismay." > > "Now the person who pets you and feeds you will be > a blind person. That's a person who can't see." > > "This man or this woman may see just a tad, > but their view's missing parts or the focus is bad." > > "So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. > You will work as a team and discover the size" > > "Of this great world we live in, because you will go > a million new places with this person, you know." > > Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, > knowing what he had to say next might sound kind of rude. > > "Not all of you will make it and become canine guides. > Your time here isn't wasted though. You won't be cast aside." > > "Some of you will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. > Some will become pets in a home with a dad and a mom." > > "All these things are important. People wait on long lists, > to receive such good dogs as you, the school folks insist." > > The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup > as Santa turned, smiling at each wide eyed pup. > > "The best gift of all is to give something back. > That's why there's nothing for you all inside of my pack." > > Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, > and petted and scratched each dog again and again. > > "Now next year and many more years after that, > you all will give gifts wherever you're at." > > "You might lick a hand that's had a bad day, > Or notice a car and step out of the way." > > "You might help catch a crook or discover some loot, > Or just bring some joy to a tired old man in a funny red suit." > > "Your master will love you and treat you with care. > In return, your training and trust will always be there." > > After the last dog had been petted and soothed, > Santa put away the coffee pot and made ready to move. > > Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, > with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his gloves. > > And all the dog ears were pricked as he disappeared out of sight. > "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!" > > > (Author Unknown) > Jenine Stanley > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From caota4 at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 16:44:57 2021 From: caota4 at gmail.com (Charlene Ota) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:44:57 -0600 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas In-Reply-To: <005101d7f28d$d0ae18a0$720a49e0$@access.net> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> <1639624928.99469633@f25.my.com> <002c01d7f27f$27761f20$76625d60$@access.net> <005101d7f28d$d0ae18a0$720a49e0$@access.net> Message-ID: <021001d7f29c$432c5dc0$c9851940$@gmail.com> I'm glad the original version was posted, I think I like that better! Can't leave those labs and goldens out! (smiles!) -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 9:02 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas It's a classic! So glad you wrote it. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 9:16 AM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Jenine Stanley Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas Thanks Tracy, Yikes, can?t believe it?s been 25 years since I wrote that. > On Dec 16, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > Yes. I'll paste the original, since you asked. I prefer it, really. Labradors with visions of anything edible dancing in their heads, oh yeah! > Tracy > > 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS > > Copyright 1996 Jenine Stanley > > 'Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, > with most dogs now asleep having eaten their fill. > > The Labradors sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, > while visions of ANYTHING edible danced in their heads. > > And the Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor, > some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. > > The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, > in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. > > > On the window ledge, one of the kennel cats lay, > surveying the lawn at the end of this day. > > Something was different, that little cat knew. > Tonight something would happen, it had to be true. > > For that day as the workers had left to go home, > They'd wished Merry Christmas! before starting to roam. > > The dogs had noticed it to during this past week's walks, > the trainers seemed just that much happier and eager to talk. > > In the mall where they worked through the maze of people and stores, > there were decoration and music and distractions galore! > > Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, > but some balked at the man on the sleigh and those fake looking deer. > > The cat was almost asleep too when he first heard the sound, > a whoosh through the air and a jingle around. > > It reminded him of a dog's collar when the animal shook, > but this sound kept on growing. He'd better go look. > > From the ceiling there came a faint sort of thunk, > as the kennel cat climbed to the highest pile of junk. > > Once before people had worked on the roof, and come down through the > trap door to a chorus of "Woooof!" > > But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, > as this man dressed in red made his way right on down. > > He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, > then made his way right to the trainers' coffee pot. > > A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, > then a Golden followed her with a mighty loud shake. > > That did it! All the dogs sprang to life with loud noise. > In spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. > > He filled the pot full and it started to brew, > then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. > > Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, > he knew well their jobs, the blind people they led. > > Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, > while others delighted in their own deafening howl. > > Laying a finger in front of his lips, > the jolly old man silenced the excitable yips. > > "You all may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," > the old man smiled and took a short pause, > > While he filled up his mug with hot liquid and cream, "I've always > wanted to stop here. It's been one of my dreams." > > The cat had climbed down and was exploring Santa's sack. > "Yes, little kitty, that's an empty pack." > > Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, > deep brown ones and gold ones held wide in surprise. > > Some of these dogs, he'd seen just last year, > in their puppy homes, cute and full of holiday cheer. > > He'd seen the effects of a pup on the tree, > but now they were here at the school, just waiting to be. > > "I didn't bring you presents or bones just to chew. > I'll tell you something better, what you are going to do." > > "You all will work hard and the trainers will share, > both praise and correction, gentle and fair." > > "You'll go lots of places and face big scary things. > You'll ride buses and subways and hear fire sirens ring." > > "Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, > not moving into danger, not moving toward wrong." > > "And then just when you think that this trainer's the best, > the kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest," > > "That trainer will begin to ignore you and give you away, > handing your leash over despite your dismay." > > "Now the person who pets you and feeds you will be > a blind person. That's a person who can't see." > > "This man or this woman may see just a tad, > but their view's missing parts or the focus is bad." > > "So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. > You will work as a team and discover the size" > > "Of this great world we live in, because you will go > a million new places with this person, you know." > > Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, > knowing what he had to say next might sound kind of rude. > > "Not all of you will make it and become canine guides. > Your time here isn't wasted though. You won't be cast aside." > > "Some of you will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. > Some will become pets in a home with a dad and a mom." > > "All these things are important. People wait on long lists, > to receive such good dogs as you, the school folks insist." > > The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup > as Santa turned, smiling at each wide eyed pup. > > "The best gift of all is to give something back. > That's why there's nothing for you all inside of my pack." > > Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, > and petted and scratched each dog again and again. > > "Now next year and many more years after that, > you all will give gifts wherever you're at." > > "You might lick a hand that's had a bad day, > Or notice a car and step out of the way." > > "You might help catch a crook or discover some loot, > Or just bring some joy to a tired old man in a funny red suit." > > "Your master will love you and treat you with care. > In return, your training and trust will always be there." > > After the last dog had been petted and soothed, > Santa put away the coffee pot and made ready to move. > > Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, > with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his gloves. > > And all the dog ears were pricked as he disappeared out of sight. > "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!" > > > (Author Unknown) > Jenine Stanley > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.c > om _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/caota4%40gmail.com From stanley7709 at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 10:48:27 2021 From: stanley7709 at gmail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 05:48:27 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas In-Reply-To: <002c01d7f27f$27761f20$76625d60$@access.net> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> <524C1347-4492-485D-A630-0F036816DAC5@icloud.com> <1639624928.99469633@f25.my.com> <002c01d7f27f$27761f20$76625d60$@access.net> Message-ID: <0a5e01d7f333$9fe8e140$dfbaa3c0$@gmail.com> I have a German Shephard, that's why I changed it a little, LOL -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 8:17 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas Yes. I'll paste the original, since you asked. I prefer it, really. Labradors with visions of anything edible dancing in their heads, oh yeah! Tracy 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS Copyright 1996 Jenine Stanley 'Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, with most dogs now asleep having eaten their fill. The Labradors sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, while visions of ANYTHING edible danced in their heads. And the Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor, some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. On the window ledge, one of the kennel cats lay, surveying the lawn at the end of this day. Something was different, that little cat knew. Tonight something would happen, it had to be true. For that day as the workers had left to go home, They'd wished Merry Christmas! before starting to roam. The dogs had noticed it to during this past week's walks, the trainers seemed just that much happier and eager to talk. In the mall where they worked through the maze of people and stores, there were decoration and music and distractions galore! Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, but some balked at the man on the sleigh and those fake looking deer. The cat was almost asleep too when he first heard the sound, a whoosh through the air and a jingle around. It reminded him of a dog's collar when the animal shook, but this sound kept on growing. He'd better go look. From the ceiling there came a faint sort of thunk, as the kennel cat climbed to the highest pile of junk. Once before people had worked on the roof, and come down through the trap door to a chorus of "Woooof!" But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, as this man dressed in red made his way right on down. He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, then made his way right to the trainers' coffee pot. A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, then a Golden followed her with a mighty loud shake. That did it! All the dogs sprang to life with loud noise. In spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. He filled the pot full and it started to brew, then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, he knew well their jobs, the blind people they led. Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, while others delighted in their own deafening howl. Laying a finger in front of his lips, the jolly old man silenced the excitable yips. "You all may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," the old man smiled and took a short pause, While he filled up his mug with hot liquid and cream, "I've always wanted to stop here. It's been one of my dreams." The cat had climbed down and was exploring Santa's sack. "Yes, little kitty, that's an empty pack." Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, deep brown ones and gold ones held wide in surprise. Some of these dogs, he'd seen just last year, in their puppy homes, cute and full of holiday cheer. He'd seen the effects of a pup on the tree, but now they were here at the school, just waiting to be. "I didn't bring you presents or bones just to chew. I'll tell you something better, what you are going to do." "You all will work hard and the trainers will share, both praise and correction, gentle and fair." "You'll go lots of places and face big scary things. You'll ride buses and subways and hear fire sirens ring." "Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, not moving into danger, not moving toward wrong." "And then just when you think that this trainer's the best, the kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest," "That trainer will begin to ignore you and give you away, handing your leash over despite your dismay." "Now the person who pets you and feeds you will be a blind person. That's a person who can't see." "This man or this woman may see just a tad, but their view's missing parts or the focus is bad." "So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. You will work as a team and discover the size" "Of this great world we live in, because you will go a million new places with this person, you know." Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, knowing what he had to say next might sound kind of rude. "Not all of you will make it and become canine guides. Your time here isn't wasted though. You won't be cast aside." "Some of you will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. Some will become pets in a home with a dad and a mom." "All these things are important. People wait on long lists, to receive such good dogs as you, the school folks insist." The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup as Santa turned, smiling at each wide eyed pup. "The best gift of all is to give something back. That's why there's nothing for you all inside of my pack." Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, and petted and scratched each dog again and again. "Now next year and many more years after that, you all will give gifts wherever you're at." "You might lick a hand that's had a bad day, Or notice a car and step out of the way." "You might help catch a crook or discover some loot, Or just bring some joy to a tired old man in a funny red suit." "Your master will love you and treat you with care. In return, your training and trust will always be there." After the last dog had been petted and soothed, Santa put away the coffee pot and made ready to move. Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his gloves. And all the dog ears were pricked as he disappeared out of sight. "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!" (Author Unknown) Jenine Stanley _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/stanley7709%40gmail.com From bgmusicmin at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 11:53:09 2021 From: bgmusicmin at gmail.com (bgmusicmin at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 06:53:09 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Questions regarding spirit Airlines required service animal paperwork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6749F2A3-D5E4-4E7E-A4E8-66A7EE8A35B7@gmail.com> Hello Melissa and Scott, Thank you both for responding, your responses were very helpful. Spirit did approve my service animal very quickly. I think I received the approval about 4 hours after I submitted the DOT form through their portal. I plan to bring copies of the completed DOT form with me and the approval email from spirit when I travel as well just in case. Wow, so crazy that the airlines can still ask you to specify the tasks that your dog is trained to perform beyond what you already need to enter into the DOT form. But, I guess it is what it is at this point. Unfortunately, those of us who have legitimately task trained Service animals are the ones who always pay the price for the folks who take advantage of things with their pets/ESAs. :) Thank you for the clarification though Melissa, this was very helpful. Overall though, surprisingly, this whole paperwork process with spirit has been pretty straightforward and like I said, their response time with their approval was also pretty quick. Just one more question, if I show up at the airport and I am told that my dog needs to be evaluated by a airline staff member before I can board the plane, is this allowed under the new regulations? Spirit has not indicated this possibility in any way in their approval email that they sent me. But, just thought I would ask in the event that this happens. I recently saw on another guide dog email list a situation where JetBlue indicated in their Service animal approval email for a guide dog user that the individual?s guide dog needed to be evaluated by an airline staff member upon arriving at the airport before The individual and their guide dog would be able to fly. Is my understanding correct that under the new regulations , at the airport, the airline is only able to ask me to show my completed and approved DOT form in order for me to fly With my guide dog? I just want to be as prepared as possible especially traveling with such short notice under the circumstances. Thank you again for all of your help. Melissa > On Dec 16, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Melissa Allman wrote: > > ?HI Melissa. I think it's great that you took the time to share your experience with Spirit on this list. It's good to know their online portal was accessible. So many things have been changing with how the airlines are implementing the new DOT regulations. I think Spirit can under the new regs ask you what tasks your dog performs although it is very annoying that you have to provide duplicative information. Others have experienced this with various airlines. It sounds like you got your information to them within the 48 hours, but even if there is a glitch with your form, you can technically ask for assistance with the form at the airport as a reasonable accommodation. Below is a link to The Seeing Eye web site with information about the new regs. It does include a link to the DOT complaint form should you feel you need to file a complaint. The form is very accessible. > https://www.seeingeye.org/knowledge-center/rights--legal-information/airlines-and-cruise-ships.html > > Also, when you are at the airport, if you think the airline is discriminating against you, ask to speak to a Complaint Resolution Official (CRO). I'm sorry to hear about your family emergency and I hope this information is helpful, though there may be other resources others might wish to share with you. Safe travels. > > Melissa > > Melissa Allman > Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations > The Seeing Eye > P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ 07963-0375 (mail) > 1 Seeing Eye Way, Morristown, NJ 07960-3378 (deliveries) > 973-539-4425 ext. x1724 | mallman at seeingeye.org | www.SeeingEye.org > > Your support helps us create extraordinary teams. Please help The Seeing Eye by making a donation today. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU On Behalf Of bgmusicmin--- via NAGDU > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 6:57 AM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: bgmusicmin at gmail.com > Subject: [NAGDU] Questions regarding spirit Airlines required service animal paperwork > > Hello all, > > This is my first time flying with my guide dogs since the new regulations have taken affect. I do have some questions regarding the paperwork that Spirit Airlines is requiring. > > As part of the requirements, spirit airline is requiring that anyone flying with a service animal complete the DOT form. I know that they are permitted to require this. However, when submitting the completed DOT form two spirits online portal, in addition to asking for the flight date, flight confirmation code, and flight time, spirit is also requiring that you specifically list the tasks that your service animal has been trained to perform. You cannot upload the completed DOT form to their online portal without specifically answering the question about what specific tasks your service animal has been trained to perform. with the new regulations, I know that airlines are legally able to require the completed DOT form. But, are they permitted to also require you to specifically outline what tasks your dog has been trained to perform? This information is also listed in the DOT form that I have completed. Additionally, when making my reservation, I indicated that my dog is a service dog for vision. Just was not sure if spirits current practice of requiring you to specifically llist what tasks your service dog has been trained to perform beyond what is included in the DOT form is permissible under the new regulations? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Due to a family emergency, I booked my ticket last night and submitted the completed DOT form this morning to spirit and I did go ahead and answer their specific question regarding the tasks that my service dog has been trained to perform. Since I am flying out very early Saturday morning, I don?t want any problems and just went ahead and filled everything out. Unfortunately, last night when I booked my ticket, there seems to be some technical issues going on with the spirit website last night and I was not able to access their online portal to submit the service animal documentation until this morning. So, hopefully, they will not give me any trouble for submitting my documentation in just under the 48 hour mark. If what spirit is requiring beyond the DOT form is not permitted under the new regulations, would this warrant a complaint to the DOT? If so, how does one go about filing a complaint to the DOT regarding this issue? > > Also, once I submitted all of my documentation to Spirit this morning, I received an email from spirit indicating that they have received it and will approve my documentation as soon as possible. Do I need to receive their official approval before I can fly on Saturday morning? If I do not receive their approval and it is required that I do so before I fly, how would I go about dealing with this? Since I am flying last minute due to a family emergency, I really don?t want there to be any unnecessary Problems regarding this issue once I arrive at the airport. > > Lastly, on a very surprising note, spirits online portal with the questions about your flight and service animal along with the process of uploading the completed DOT form is accessible using JAWS using windows with the fire fox browser. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the accessibility of this online portal or uploading process with any other screen readers, on any other platforms, or with any other browsers. > > Again, thank you for any info you are able to provide. > > Melissa > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/mallman%40seeingeye.org From terri at lasertune.com Sat Dec 18 22:05:27 2021 From: terri at lasertune.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGVycmk=?=) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 01:05:27 +0300 Subject: [NAGDU] =?utf-8?q?A_Guide_Dog=27s_Night_Before_Christmas?= In-Reply-To: <005101d7f28d$d0ae18a0$720a49e0$@access.net> References: <184701d7ef95$18c63f10$4a52bd30$@gmail.com> <005101d7f28d$d0ae18a0$720a49e0$@access.net> Message-ID: <1639865127.827261000@f37.my.com> Thankz so much!! My girl is a lab but i know All of our guides are incredible gifts,? Can't leave any of them out! Merry Christmas everyone!! Terri and julie?????? Sent from myMail for iOS Thursday, December 16, 2021, 7:05 AM -0800 from nagdu at nfbnet.org : >It's a classic! So glad you wrote it. >Tracy > > >-----Original Message----- >From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley via NAGDU >Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 9:16 AM >To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >Cc: Jenine Stanley >Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A Guide Dog's Night Before Christmas > >Thanks Tracy, > >Yikes, can?t believe it?s been 25 years since I wrote that. > > >> On Dec 16, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote: >> >> Yes. I'll paste the original, since you asked. I prefer it, really. Labradors with visions of anything edible dancing in their heads, oh yeah! >> Tracy >> >> 'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS >> >> Copyright 1996 Jenine Stanley >> >> 'Twas the night before Christmas and the kennels were still, >> with most dogs now asleep having eaten their fill. >> >> The Labradors sprawled out, quite snug in their beds, >> while visions of ANYTHING edible danced in their heads. >> >> And the Goldens and Shepherds curled up on the floor, >> some twitched in their sleep and some even did snore. >> >> The dog food was stacked in the feed room with care, >> in hopes that a trainer soon would be there. >> >> >> On the window ledge, one of the kennel cats lay, >> surveying the lawn at the end of this day. >> >> Something was different, that little cat knew. >> Tonight something would happen, it had to be true. >> >> For that day as the workers had left to go home, >> They'd wished Merry Christmas! before starting to roam. >> >> The dogs had noticed it to during this past week's walks, >> the trainers seemed just that much happier and eager to talk. >> >> In the mall where they worked through the maze of people and stores, >> there were decoration and music and distractions galore! >> >> Most dogs pranced along without worry or fear, >> but some balked at the man on the sleigh and those fake looking deer. >> >> The cat was almost asleep too when he first heard the sound, >> a whoosh through the air and a jingle around. >> >> It reminded him of a dog's collar when the animal shook, >> but this sound kept on growing. He'd better go look. >> >> From the ceiling there came a faint sort of thunk, >> as the kennel cat climbed to the highest pile of junk. >> >> Once before people had worked on the roof, >> and come down through the trap door to a chorus of "Woooof!" >> >> But the dogs still were quiet, all sleeping so sound, >> as this man dressed in red made his way right on down. >> >> He patted the cat as he climbed past his spot, >> then made his way right to the trainers' coffee pot. >> >> A shepherd sat up, not fully awake, >> then a Golden followed her with a mighty loud shake. >> >> That did it! All the dogs sprang to life with loud noise. >> In spite of the din, the old man kept his poise. >> >> He filled the pot full and it started to brew, >> then he pulled up a chair and took in the view. >> >> Dogs all around him, so carefully bred, >> he knew well their jobs, the blind people they led. >> >> Some had stopped barking and looked at him now, >> while others delighted in their own deafening howl. >> >> Laying a finger in front of his lips, >> the jolly old man silenced the excitable yips. >> >> "You all may not know me, but I'm Santa Claus," >> the old man smiled and took a short pause, >> >> While he filled up his mug with hot liquid and cream, >> "I've always wanted to stop here. It's been one of my dreams." >> >> The cat had climbed down and was exploring Santa's sack. >> "Yes, little kitty, that's an empty pack." >> >> Santa smiled as he drank and looked at those eyes, >> deep brown ones and gold ones held wide in surprise. >> >> Some of these dogs, he'd seen just last year, >> in their puppy homes, cute and full of holiday cheer. >> >> He'd seen the effects of a pup on the tree, >> but now they were here at the school, just waiting to be. >> >> "I didn't bring you presents or bones just to chew. >> I'll tell you something better, what you are going to do." >> >> "You all will work hard and the trainers will share, >> both praise and correction, gentle and fair." >> >> "You'll go lots of places and face big scary things. >> You'll ride buses and subways and hear fire sirens ring." >> >> "Cars will drive at you but you will stand strong, >> not moving into danger, not moving toward wrong." >> >> "And then just when you think that this trainer's the best, >> the kindest, and funnest person, toss away all the rest," >> >> "That trainer will begin to ignore you and give you away, >> handing your leash over despite your dismay." >> >> "Now the person who pets you and feeds you will be >> a blind person. That's a person who can't see." >> >> "This man or this woman may see just a tad, >> but their view's missing parts or the focus is bad." >> >> "So you, well trained dogs, will act as their eyes. >> You will work as a team and discover the size" >> >> "Of this great world we live in, because you will go >> a million new places with this person, you know." >> >> Santa sipped at his coffee and looked over the brood, >> knowing what he had to say next might sound kind of rude. >> >> "Not all of you will make it and become canine guides. >> Your time here isn't wasted though. You won't be cast aside." >> >> "Some of you will be drug dogs and some will find bombs. >> Some will become pets in a home with a dad and a mom." >> >> "All these things are important. People wait on long lists, >> to receive such good dogs as you, the school folks insist." >> >> The last drop of coffee had gone into his cup >> as Santa turned, smiling at each wide eyed pup. >> >> "The best gift of all is to give something back. >> That's why there's nothing for you all inside of my pack." >> >> Draining his mug, Santa went to each pen, >> and petted and scratched each dog again and again. >> >> "Now next year and many more years after that, >> you all will give gifts wherever you're at." >> >> "You might lick a hand that's had a bad day, >> Or notice a car and step out of the way." >> >> "You might help catch a crook or discover some loot, >> Or just bring some joy to a tired old man in a funny red suit." >> >> "Your master will love you and treat you with care. >> In return, your training and trust will always be there." >> >> After the last dog had been petted and soothed, >> Santa put away the coffee pot and made ready to move. >> >> Up the ladder he rose to the door high above, >> with a smile and a wave as he slipped on his gloves. >> >> And all the dog ears were pricked as he disappeared out of sight. >> "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!" >> >> >> (Author Unknown) >> Jenine Stanley >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com > > >_______________________________________________ >NAGDU mailing list >NAGDU at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net > > >_______________________________________________ >NAGDU mailing list >NAGDU at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/terri%40lasertune.com From rgallegos at nagdu.org Mon Dec 20 16:53:29 2021 From: rgallegos at nagdu.org (Raul Gallegos - NAGDU) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:53:29 -0600 Subject: [NAGDU] a public meeting invitation to discuss AirBNB and guide dog users Message-ID: <5c3cdb01-2297-5dc7-f8b8-b70f901aab13@nagdu.org> Hello everyone, we have setup a public meeting with our national office to discuss the AirBNB situation concerning guide dog users. Specifically, one of the most recent situations where the iOS app bundles pets with service animals, making it difficult for a guide dog user to find appropriate bookings because the search results become limited to those hosts who only accept pets. As has been discussed and as many of us know, our guide dogs are not pets. This meeting will take place this week on Wednesday, December 22 at 12 Noon Eastern time. This translates as 11 AM Central, 10 AM Mountain, 9 AM Pacific, and 8 AM Alaska. This meeting will be added to the NAGDU events calendar for those who subscribe to it. The Zoom invitation follows. Thank you and we hope to see many of you there. The National Association of Guide Dog Users is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: NAGDU Business Meeting Time: Dec 22, 2021 11:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84431263250 Meeting ID: 844 3126 3250 One tap mobile +13462487799,,84431263250# US (Houston) +12532158782,,84431263250# US (Tacoma) Dial by your location ??????? +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) ??????? +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) ??????? +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) ??????? +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) ??????? +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) ??????? +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) Meeting ID: 844 3126 3250 Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kcxxyW74vb -- Respectfully, *Raul A. Gallegos* / President National Association of Guide Dog Users, /NAGDU/ 346.439.7444 | RGallegos at nagdu.org Subscribe to the NAGDU Public Events Calendar Here Schedule a 30-minute Zoom meeting with me here Join NAGDU on Facebook | Follow NAGDU on Twitter "Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap." -- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan From judotina48kg at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 18:18:53 2021 From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (judotina48kg at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:18:53 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] a public meeting invitation to discuss AirBNB and guide dog users In-Reply-To: <5c3cdb01-2297-5dc7-f8b8-b70f901aab13@nagdu.org> References: <5c3cdb01-2297-5dc7-f8b8-b70f901aab13@nagdu.org> Message-ID: <027b01d7f5ce$0c392a20$24ab7e60$@gmail.com> Awesome. Looking forward to the presentation. Tina -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Raul Gallegos - NAGDU via NAGDU Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 8:53 AM To: nfb-nagdu at nfbnet.org; NAGDU List Cc: Raul Gallegos - NAGDU Subject: [NAGDU] a public meeting invitation to discuss AirBNB and guide dog users Hello everyone, we have setup a public meeting with our national office to discuss the AirBNB situation concerning guide dog users. Specifically, one of the most recent situations where the iOS app bundles pets with service animals, making it difficult for a guide dog user to find appropriate bookings because the search results become limited to those hosts who only accept pets. As has been discussed and as many of us know, our guide dogs are not pets. This meeting will take place this week on Wednesday, December 22 at 12 Noon Eastern time. This translates as 11 AM Central, 10 AM Mountain, 9 AM Pacific, and 8 AM Alaska. This meeting will be added to the NAGDU events calendar for those who subscribe to it. The Zoom invitation follows. Thank you and we hope to see many of you there. The National Association of Guide Dog Users is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: NAGDU Business Meeting Time: Dec 22, 2021 11:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84431263250 Meeting ID: 844 3126 3250 One tap mobile +13462487799,,84431263250# US (Houston) +12532158782,,84431263250# US (Tacoma) Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) Meeting ID: 844 3126 3250 Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kcxxyW74vb -- Respectfully, *Raul A. Gallegos* / President National Association of Guide Dog Users, /NAGDU/ 346.439.7444 | RGallegos at nagdu.org Subscribe to the NAGDU Public Events Calendar Here Schedule a 30-minute Zoom meeting with me here Join NAGDU on Facebook | Follow NAGDU on Twitter "Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap." -- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com From carcione at access.net Thu Dec 23 13:07:42 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:07:42 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed Message-ID: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate after the holidays. It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. Another holiday with just me and my husband. I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many blessings, but still it's depressing. Tracy From judotina48kg at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 13:34:30 2021 From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (judotina48kg at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 05:34:30 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: <01e901d7f801$d0bcd150$723673f0$@gmail.com> Tracy: Sorry to hear this. This Pandemic has taken its toll on everyone and everything. This time on the planet Earth has been and is very frustrating. Hopefully 2022 will bring some positive energy. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas. Tina and the Little Man. -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 5:08 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate after the holidays. It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. Another holiday with just me and my husband. I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many blessings, but still it's depressing. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com From richardfiorello716 at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 14:36:27 2021 From: richardfiorello716 at gmail.com (richardfiorello716 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 09:36:27 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: <004201d7f80a$783639a0$68a2ace0$@gmail.com> Hi; December and January are to cold for class. I'd be hupping the dog up just to get back inside where its warm. Richard -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 8:08 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate after the holidays. It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. Another holiday with just me and my husband. I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many blessings, but still it's depressing. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/richardfiorello716%40gmai l.com From rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 14:44:53 2021 From: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com (rdgraves2007 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 09:44:53 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <01e901d7f801$d0bcd150$723673f0$@gmail.com> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> <01e901d7f801$d0bcd150$723673f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009601d7f80b$a5fcb610$f1f62230$@gmail.com> Tracy, I understand completely. I remember how hard it was for me as I waited to be placed with my Izzo. I was first refused by Guiding Eyes. They wouldn't serve me at all. Don't exactly recall what their reasoning was at the time. Then I got accepted at the Guidedog foundation, and I waited and waited and waited... for over a year. I was so frustrated. This was prepandemic, of course. I know it has to be a constant roller coaster for those waiting now. This past--almost two years now--has really taken a toll in so many ways. I am fully vaccinated, and was diagnosed last week with Covid. I am ashamed to admit that I've been feeling really angry over the past few days, because I took two weeks vacation from work, and I did not plan to spend half of it quaranteened in my bedroom. I know I should feel grateful, and I am, because my symptoms were extremely mild in comparison to those who were hospitalized and lost their lives. But it is still extremely frustrating when life is upended like this. My Izzo has been such a good girl, but I know she is extremely bored, and I feel so bad for her. All that to say I understand your frustration completely. Here is a virtual hug for you. I am going to pray that you get in to a class very soon. If they have a dog ready for you, has their been any discussion of whether they would come to do a home training? Blessings, Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 8:35 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Postponed Tracy: Sorry to hear this. This Pandemic has taken its toll on everyone and everything. This time on the planet Earth has been and is very frustrating. Hopefully 2022 will bring some positive energy. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas. Tina and the Little Man. -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 5:08 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate after the holidays. It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. Another holiday with just me and my husband. I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many blessings, but still it's depressing. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com From thunderwalker321 at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 14:55:39 2021 From: thunderwalker321 at gmail.com (Jody ianuzzi) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 09:55:39 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: Oh Tracy I am so sorry! How disappointing! Hopefully they were only postponing the class for a few weeks. I hope you have a very merry Christmas in spite of your disappointment. JODY To Boldly Go ?? thunderwalker321 at gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer > On Dec 23, 2021, at 8:08 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > ?I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been > postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate > after the holidays. > > It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the > December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not > very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they > didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do > have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to > go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn > pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, > I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. > Another holiday with just me and my husband. > > I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many > blessings, but still it's depressing. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thunderwalker321%40gmail.com From carcione at access.net Thu Dec 23 15:25:31 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:25:31 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <009601d7f80b$a5fcb610$f1f62230$@gmail.com> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> <01e901d7f801$d0bcd150$723673f0$@gmail.com> <009601d7f80b$a5fcb610$f1f62230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006701d7f811$528fb080$f7af1180$@access.net> Hi Diane. I'm so sorry you got COVID, despite your best efforts. I'm glad to hear you have a mild case. It is so frustrating to have all your plans upended. The trainer who saw me for the Juno walk asked if I'd be willing to do home training, or home and away. I said I'd do it any way they want. But they didn't talk about that for the January class. Richard, I'm not keen on walking around in the cold, but, given all the stops and starts, I'm not saying No to anything. It would only lead to longer delays. I grew up in Montana and lived in Mennesota for a while, so I know about cold weather. I don't love it, but I can deal with it. I'm hoping TSE decides they can just start class a bit later, or something. All I can do is wait and see, which is easier said than done. I wish all of you a happy holiday. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 9:45 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Postponed Tracy, I understand completely. I remember how hard it was for me as I waited to be placed with my Izzo. I was first refused by Guiding Eyes. They wouldn't serve me at all. Don't exactly recall what their reasoning was at the time. Then I got accepted at the Guidedog foundation, and I waited and waited and waited... for over a year. I was so frustrated. This was prepandemic, of course. I know it has to be a constant roller coaster for those waiting now. This past--almost two years now--has really taken a toll in so many ways. I am fully vaccinated, and was diagnosed last week with Covid. I am ashamed to admit that I've been feeling really angry over the past few days, because I took two weeks vacation from work, and I did not plan to spend half of it quaranteened in my bedroom. I know I should feel grateful, and I am, because my symptoms were extremely mild in comparison to those who were hospitalized and lost their lives. But it is still extremely frustrating when life is upended like this. My Izzo has been such a good girl, but I know she is extremely bored, and I feel so bad for her. All that to say I understand your frustration completely. Here is a virtual hug for you. I am going to pray that you get in to a class very soon. If they have a dog ready for you, has their been any discussion of whether they would come to do a home training? Blessings, Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of judotina48kg--- via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 8:35 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Postponed Tracy: Sorry to hear this. This Pandemic has taken its toll on everyone and everything. This time on the planet Earth has been and is very frustrating. Hopefully 2022 will bring some positive energy. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas. Tina and the Little Man. -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 5:08 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate after the holidays. It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. Another holiday with just me and my husband. I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many blessings, but still it's depressing. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/judotina48kg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net Thu Dec 23 15:52:46 2021 From: albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net (Al Sten-Clanton) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:52:46 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: <85939198-d126-de0e-9a4c-144bad85aa8a@verizon.net> Hi, Tracy.? Man, what a bummer!? I can only hope you can go there soon. Al On 12/23/21 08:07, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been > postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate > after the holidays. > > It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the > December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not > very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they > didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do > have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to > go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn > pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, > I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. > Another holiday with just me and my husband. > > I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many > blessings, but still it's depressing. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/albert.e.sten_clanton%40verizon.net From sherry.gomes at outlook.com Thu Dec 23 15:55:42 2021 From: sherry.gomes at outlook.com (Sherry Gomes) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:55:42 +0000 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <85939198-d126-de0e-9a4c-144bad85aa8a@verizon.net> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> <85939198-d126-de0e-9a4c-144bad85aa8a@verizon.net> Message-ID: Ah, Tracy, I'm so sorry to hear this. I hope they are able to get everyone well and be ready for you and others to come to class soon! -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 8:53 AM To: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Cc: Al Sten-Clanton Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Postponed Hi, Tracy.? Man, what a bummer!? I can only hope you can go there soon. Al On 12/23/21 08:07, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has > been postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll > reevaluate after the holidays. > > It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the > December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm > not very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided > they didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and > said they do have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less > than 2 weeks to go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many > times during this damn pandemic have I said that. And, because I > thought I'd be going into class, I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. > Another holiday with just me and my husband. > > I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my > many blessings, but still it's depressing. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/albert.e.sten_clant > on%40verizon.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sherry.gomes%40outlook.com From sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 23 17:18:01 2021 From: sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net (sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:18:01 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: <046601d7f821$10a55980$31f00c80$@sbcglobal.net> Hang in there, Tracy! I waited over two years to get my dog, and he was totally worth waiting for! Praying you get the right dog, at the right time! Susan -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 8:08 AM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: Tracy Carcione Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate after the holidays. It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. Another holiday with just me and my husband. I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many blessings, but still it's depressing. Tracy _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sblanjones11%40sbcglobal. net From sheila.leigland at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 17:06:28 2021 From: sheila.leigland at gmail.com (Sheila) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:06:28 -0700 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: I'm sorry that your class has been postponed Harold and I wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year and hopefully you will have a dog soon. On 12/23/2021 6:07 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been > postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll reevaluate > after the holidays. > > It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the > December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm not > very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they > didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they do > have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to > go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn > pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into class, > I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. > Another holiday with just me and my husband. > > I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many > blessings, but still it's depressing. > > Tracy > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sheila.leigland%40gmail.com From gwizdaklyn at gmail.com Fri Dec 24 18:31:49 2021 From: gwizdaklyn at gmail.com (Lyn Gwizdak) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:31:49 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: Tracy, that's a real bummer! I wish this damn COVID would be reduced to a point we could get back to life as it was pre-pandemic. I've had my fill of ZOOM meetings! Before you know it, you'll be at Seeing Eye getting a dog!? Have happy holidays to everyone! Lyn and Aristotle On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 9:08 AM Sheila via NAGDU wrote: > I'm sorry that your class has been postponed Harold and I wish you a > merry christmas and a happy new year and hopefully you will have a dog > soon. > > On 12/23/2021 6:07 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been > > postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll > reevaluate > > after the holidays. > > > > It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the > > December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm > not > > very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they > > didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they > do > > have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to > > go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn > > pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into > class, > > I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. > > Another holiday with just me and my husband. > > > > I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many > > blessings, but still it's depressing. > > > > Tracy > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NAGDU mailing list > > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sheila.leigland%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/gwizdaklyn%40gmail.com > From carcione at access.net Fri Dec 24 19:53:00 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:53:00 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Postponed In-Reply-To: References: <002301d7f7fe$11e76450$35b62cf0$@access.net> Message-ID: <007401d7f8ff$dade9c50$909bd4f0$@access.net> Hi Lyn. I so agree. I can't wait for this thing to get to be like the flu--something that comes around and you have to deal with, but doesn't usually screw up your life. Next time I get a class date, I won't believe it's actually happening until I'm standing in my room at the Eye figuring out where to put my stuff. I wish everyone a joyful holiday. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lyn Gwizdak via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 1:32 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Lyn Gwizdak Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Postponed Tracy, that's a real bummer! I wish this damn COVID would be reduced to a point we could get back to life as it was pre-pandemic. I've had my fill of ZOOM meetings! Before you know it, you'll be at Seeing Eye getting a dog!? Have happy holidays to everyone! Lyn and Aristotle On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 9:08 AM Sheila via NAGDU wrote: > I'm sorry that your class has been postponed Harold and I wish you a > merry christmas and a happy new year and hopefully you will have a dog > soon. > > On 12/23/2021 6:07 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > > I got a call Tuesday saying that the TSE class I'm in in January has been > > postponed. Some of the staff tested positive for COVID. They'll > reevaluate > > after the holidays. > > > > It's so frustrating and depressing. They thought I might get into the > > December class, and sent someone out to give me a Juno walk, since I'm > not > > very far away. I got excited, but after a week or so they decided they > > didn't have a dog for me in that class. Then they called and said they > do > > have dogs for me in January, and I'm in. Then, with less than 2 weeks to > > go, no, I'm not. Well what can you do? How many times during this damn > > pandemic have I said that. And, because I thought I'd be going into > class, > > I gave up any thoughts of traveling to visit family during the holidays. > > Another holiday with just me and my husband. > > > > I just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and consider my many > > blessings, but still it's depressing. > > > > Tracy > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NAGDU mailing list > > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sheila.leigland%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/gwizdaklyn%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From bgearry at alaskafrontier.net Sat Dec 25 01:11:54 2021 From: bgearry at alaskafrontier.net (Bryan Gearry) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:11:54 -0900 Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools Message-ID: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> I'm sure most of us are very proud of our Guide Dog schools. I would like to convey something that has just happened with my school. I have got my first two dogs from GDF. My current one is a Golden Retriever who is 4 now. Just in the last month he has developed a very aggressive oral tumor called a Fibrosarcoma. When we noticed it, we immediately took him to our regular vet who made arrangements to see a veterinary oncologist that same day. They told me that he would have to have immediate surgery. The procedure is very radical. I could not believe what I was hearing. I contacted the University of Colorado the next morning who confirmed what the surgeon was telling me here. That morning I called GDF and told them what was going on. They did not hesitate to send a trainer out the following day from NY all the way to Alaska. The trainer showed up in the afternoon and a few hours later he was headed back to NY (long day for that fellow) I was expecting the worse that they would have to put this dog down. That was not the case at all! Two days later they had him on the operating table and removed 3/4 of his lower jaw successfully removing the tumor. This is standard treatment for this type of tumor. He since has recovered remarkably well. I'm so impressed with the compassion and financial outlay that the school endured for all of this. The surgery started at 12K$ and that's just the beginning. He unfortunately has been retired as a Guide Dog. He will be a "special needs" animal the rest of his life. Something I'm not able to provide. The point of all of this is it could be easier to destroy the dog, but GDF took the high road. I can't say enough how proud and impressed I am with my school! (besides they have a fantastic chef there) LOL! Bryan, now "clearing brush" with a cane, while waiting for another dog" -- WWW.Alaskafrontier.net From jeninems at icloud.com Sat Dec 25 02:08:19 2021 From: jeninems at icloud.com (Jenine Stanley) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 21:08:19 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools In-Reply-To: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> References: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> Message-ID: <7E80278B-3321-4F1C-B441-F09BC992BEC6@icloud.com> Oh Brian, So sorry to hear about this but yay GDF. I?d expect nothing less from them. That?s the type of tumor my husband?s last dog had but luckily it didn?t develop until he was retired. Take care. > On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:11 PM, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU wrote: > > I'm sure most of us are very proud of our Guide Dog schools. I would like to convey something that has just happened with my school. I have got my first two dogs from GDF. My current one is a Golden Retriever who is 4 now. Just in the last month he has developed a very aggressive oral tumor called a Fibrosarcoma. When we noticed it, we immediately took him to our regular vet who made arrangements to see a veterinary oncologist that same day. They told me that he would have to have immediate surgery. The procedure is very radical. I could not believe what I was hearing. I contacted the University of Colorado the next morning who confirmed what the surgeon was telling me here. That morning I called GDF and told them what was going on. They did not hesitate to send a trainer out the following day from NY all the way to Alaska. The trainer showed up in the afternoon and a few hours later he was headed back to NY (long day for that fellow) I was expecting the worse that they would have to put this dog down. That was not the case at all! Two days later they had him on the operating table and removed 3/4 of his lower jaw successfully removing the tumor. This is standard treatment for this type of tumor. He since has recovered remarkably well. I'm so impressed with the compassion and financial outlay that the school endured for all of this. The surgery started at 12K$ and that's just the beginning. He unfortunately has been retired as a Guide Dog. He will be a "special needs" animal the rest of his life. Something I'm not able to provide. The point of all of this is it could be easier to destroy the dog, but GDF took the high road. I can't say enough how proud and impressed I am with my school! (besides they have a fantastic chef there) LOL! > > Bryan, now "clearing brush" with a cane, while waiting for another dog" > > -- > WWW.Alaskafrontier.net > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jeninems%40icloud.com From carcione at access.net Sat Dec 25 15:00:06 2021 From: carcione at access.net (Tracy Carcione) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 10:00:06 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools In-Reply-To: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> References: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> Message-ID: <001301d7f9a0$1a5d1370$4f173a50$@access.net> Hi Bryan. How awful! So glad everything came out OK, and that GDF was so amazingly helpful. Good luck to you, and to your retired pup. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 8:12 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Bryan Gearry Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools I'm sure most of us are very proud of our Guide Dog schools. I would like to convey something that has just happened with my school. I have got my first two dogs from GDF. My current one is a Golden Retriever who is 4 now. Just in the last month he has developed a very aggressive oral tumor called a Fibrosarcoma. When we noticed it, we immediately took him to our regular vet who made arrangements to see a veterinary oncologist that same day. They told me that he would have to have immediate surgery. The procedure is very radical. I could not believe what I was hearing. I contacted the University of Colorado the next morning who confirmed what the surgeon was telling me here. That morning I called GDF and told them what was going on. They did not hesitate to send a trainer out the following day from NY all the way to Alaska. The trainer showed up in the afternoon and a few hours later he was headed back to NY (long day for that fellow) I was expecting the worse that they would have to put this dog down. That was not the case at all! Two days later they had him on the operating table and removed 3/4 of his lower jaw successfully removing the tumor. This is standard treatment for this type of tumor. He since has recovered remarkably well. I'm so impressed with the compassion and financial outlay that the school endured for all of this. The surgery started at 12K$ and that's just the beginning. He unfortunately has been retired as a Guide Dog. He will be a "special needs" animal the rest of his life. Something I'm not able to provide. The point of all of this is it could be easier to destroy the dog, but GDF took the high road. I can't say enough how proud and impressed I am with my school! (besides they have a fantastic chef there) LOL! Bryan, now "clearing brush" with a cane, while waiting for another dog" -- WWW.Alaskafrontier.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/carcione%40access.net From albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net Sat Dec 25 15:24:32 2021 From: albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net (Al Sten-Clanton) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 10:24:32 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools In-Reply-To: <001301d7f9a0$1a5d1370$4f173a50$@access.net> References: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> <001301d7f9a0$1a5d1370$4f173a50$@access.net> Message-ID: Same from here, Bryan. Best! Al On 12/25/21 10:00, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote: > Hi Bryan. > How awful! So glad everything came out OK, and that GDF was so amazingly > helpful. Good luck to you, and to your retired pup. > Tracy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via > NAGDU > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 8:12 PM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: Bryan Gearry > Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools > > I'm sure most of us are very proud of our Guide Dog schools. I would > like to convey something that has just happened with my school. I have > got my first two dogs from GDF. My current one is a Golden Retriever who > is 4 now. Just in the last month he has developed a very aggressive oral > tumor called a Fibrosarcoma. When we noticed it, we immediately took him > to our regular vet who made arrangements to see a veterinary oncologist > that same day. They told me that he would have to have immediate > surgery. The procedure is very radical. I could not believe what I was > hearing. I contacted the University of Colorado the next morning who > confirmed what the surgeon was telling me here. That morning I called > GDF and told them what was going on. They did not hesitate to send a > trainer out the following day from NY all the way to Alaska. The trainer > showed up in the afternoon and a few hours later he was headed back to > NY (long day for that fellow) I was expecting the worse that they would > have to put this dog down. That was not the case at all! Two days later > they had him on the operating table and removed 3/4 of his lower jaw > successfully removing the tumor. This is standard treatment for this > type of tumor. He since has recovered remarkably well. I'm so impressed > with the compassion and financial outlay that the school endured for all > of this. The surgery started at 12K$ and that's just the beginning. He > unfortunately has been retired as a Guide Dog. He will be a "special > needs" animal the rest of his life. Something I'm not able to provide. > The point of all of this is it could be easier to destroy the dog, but > GDF took the high road. I can't say enough how proud and impressed I am > with my school! (besides they have a fantastic chef there) LOL! > > Bryan, now "clearing brush" with a cane, while waiting for another dog" > From rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 18:44:16 2021 From: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com (rdgraves2007 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:44:16 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools In-Reply-To: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> References: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> Message-ID: <007401d7f9bf$6b7f65e0$427e31a0$@gmail.com> Wow, GDF came through in an awesome way! So glad this poor puppy could be saved. Wishing you all the best as you wait for your new dog, and best wishes for the puppy as he recovers. Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 8:12 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Bryan Gearry Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools I'm sure most of us are very proud of our Guide Dog schools. I would like to convey something that has just happened with my school. I have got my first two dogs from GDF. My current one is a Golden Retriever who is 4 now. Just in the last month he has developed a very aggressive oral tumor called a Fibrosarcoma. When we noticed it, we immediately took him to our regular vet who made arrangements to see a veterinary oncologist that same day. They told me that he would have to have immediate surgery. The procedure is very radical. I could not believe what I was hearing. I contacted the University of Colorado the next morning who confirmed what the surgeon was telling me here. That morning I called GDF and told them what was going on. They did not hesitate to send a trainer out the following day from NY all the way to Alaska. The trainer showed up in the afternoon and a few hours later he was headed back to NY (long day for that fellow) I was expecting the worse that they would have to put this dog down. That was not the case at all! Two days later they had him on the operating table and removed 3/4 of his lower jaw successfully removing the tumor. This is standard treatment for this type of tumor. He since has recovered remarkably well. I'm so impressed with the compassion and financial outlay that the school endured for all of this. The surgery started at 12K$ and that's just the beginning. He unfortunately has been retired as a Guide Dog. He will be a "special needs" animal the rest of his life. Something I'm not able to provide. The point of all of this is it could be easier to destroy the dog, but GDF took the high road. I can't say enough how proud and impressed I am with my school! (besides they have a fantastic chef there) LOL! Bryan, now "clearing brush" with a cane, while waiting for another dog" -- WWW.Alaskafrontier.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com From flmom2006 at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 20:07:28 2021 From: flmom2006 at gmail.com (Sherri Brun) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 15:07:28 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools In-Reply-To: <007401d7f9bf$6b7f65e0$427e31a0$@gmail.com> References: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> <007401d7f9bf$6b7f65e0$427e31a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01d7f9cb$0b8a76a0$229f63e0$@gmail.com> Bryan, what incredible news! GDF really has heart! I'm weighing the options of schools and GDF just scored lots of points. Thanks for letting us know. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Diane Graves via NAGDU Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2021 1:44 PM To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' Cc: rdgraves2007 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools Wow, GDF came through in an awesome way! So glad this poor puppy could be saved. Wishing you all the best as you wait for your new dog, and best wishes for the puppy as he recovers. Diane Graves -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via NAGDU Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 8:12 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Bryan Gearry Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools I'm sure most of us are very proud of our Guide Dog schools. I would like to convey something that has just happened with my school. I have got my first two dogs from GDF. My current one is a Golden Retriever who is 4 now. Just in the last month he has developed a very aggressive oral tumor called a Fibrosarcoma. When we noticed it, we immediately took him to our regular vet who made arrangements to see a veterinary oncologist that same day. They told me that he would have to have immediate surgery. The procedure is very radical. I could not believe what I was hearing. I contacted the University of Colorado the next morning who confirmed what the surgeon was telling me here. That morning I called GDF and told them what was going on. They did not hesitate to send a trainer out the following day from NY all the way to Alaska. The trainer showed up in the afternoon and a few hours later he was headed back to NY (long day for that fellow) I was expecting the worse that they would have to put this dog down. That was not the case at all! Two days later they had him on the operating table and removed 3/4 of his lower jaw successfully removing the tumor. This is standard treatment for this type of tumor. He since has recovered remarkably well. I'm so impressed with the compassion and financial outlay that the school endured for all of this. The surgery started at 12K$ and that's just the beginning. He unfortunately has been retired as a Guide Dog. He will be a "special needs" animal the rest of his life. Something I'm not able to provide. The point of all of this is it could be easier to destroy the dog, but GDF took the high road. I can't say enough how proud and impressed I am with my school! (besides they have a fantastic chef there) LOL! Bryan, now "clearing brush" with a cane, while waiting for another dog" -- WWW.Alaskafrontier.net _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rdgraves2007%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/flmom2006%40gmail.com From jean.e.menzies at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 20:11:52 2021 From: jean.e.menzies at gmail.com (Jean Menzies) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 12:11:52 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Guide Dog Schools In-Reply-To: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> References: <809185d4-53cb-c47a-4031-fae2af0c7e84@alaskafrontier.net> Message-ID: Bryan, So sorry to hear this about your dog, but great how GDF stepped in to help. I hope you don?t have to wait too long for a successor dog. Jean and Percy Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2021, at 5:41 PM, Bryan Gearry via NAGDU wrote: > > ?I'm sure most of us are very proud of our Guide Dog schools. I would like to convey something that has just happened with my school. I have got my first two dogs from GDF. My current one is a Golden Retriever who is 4 now. Just in the last month he has developed a very aggressive oral tumor called a Fibrosarcoma. When we noticed it, we immediately took him to our regular vet who made arrangements to see a veterinary oncologist that same day. They told me that he would have to have immediate surgery. The procedure is very radical. I could not believe what I was hearing. I contacted the University of Colorado the next morning who confirmed what the surgeon was telling me here. That morning I called GDF and told them what was going on. They did not hesitate to send a trainer out the following day from NY all the way to Alaska. The trainer showed up in the afternoon and a few hours later he was headed back to NY (long day for that fellow) I was expecting the worse that they would have to put this dog down. That was not the case at all! Two days later they had him on the operating table and removed 3/4 of his lower jaw successfully removing the tumor. This is standard treatment for this type of tumor. He since has recovered remarkably well. I'm so impressed with the compassion and financial outlay that the school endured for all of this. The surgery started at 12K$ and that's just the beginning. He unfortunately has been retired as a Guide Dog. He will be a "special needs" animal the rest of his life. Something I'm not able to provide. The point of all of this is it could be easier to destroy the dog, but GDF took the high road. I can't say enough how proud and impressed I am with my school! (besides they have a fantastic chef there) LOL! > > Bryan, now "clearing brush" with a cane, while waiting for another dog" > > -- > WWW.Alaskafrontier.net > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/jean.e.menzies%40gmail.com From stanley7709 at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 12:37:14 2021 From: stanley7709 at gmail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 07:37:14 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Air B & B Message-ID: <3fc801d7fb1e$7a7b98b0$6f72ca10$@gmail.com> Hi All, Does anyone know if the meeting about Air B & B's last Wednesday was recorded? I was at work and unable to listen. If yes, how can I obtain a copy? Thanks in advance! From dmalone510 at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 12:39:27 2021 From: dmalone510 at gmail.com (Debbie Malone) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 07:39:27 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Air B & B In-Reply-To: <3fc801d7fb1e$7a7b98b0$6f72ca10$@gmail.com> References: <3fc801d7fb1e$7a7b98b0$6f72ca10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would be interested to know if there was recording as well. On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 7:38 AM Steve Cook via NAGDU wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone know if the meeting about Air B & B's last Wednesday was > recorded? I was at work and unable to listen. If yes, how can I obtain a > copy? Thanks in advance! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NAGDU mailing list > NAGDU at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NAGDU: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dmalone510%40gmail.com > From terri at lasertune.com Mon Dec 27 15:22:33 2021 From: terri at lasertune.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGVycmk=?=) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:22:33 +0300 Subject: [NAGDU] =?utf-8?q?Air_B_=26_B?= In-Reply-To: References: <3fc801d7fb1e$7a7b98b0$6f72ca10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1640618553.75896029@f37.my.com> Yes it was recorded.. not sure how to access it though..?? Sent from myMail for iOS Monday, December 27, 2021, 4:41 AM -0800 from NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users : >I would be interested to know if there was recording as well. > >On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 7:38 AM Steve Cook via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> Does anyone know if the meeting about Air B & B's last Wednesday was >> recorded? I was at work and unable to listen. If yes, how can I obtain a >> copy? Thanks in advance! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NAGDU mailing list >> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NAGDU: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dmalone510%40gmail.com >> >_______________________________________________ >NAGDU mailing list >NAGDU at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/terri%40lasertune.com From rgallegos at nagdu.org Mon Dec 27 15:33:31 2021 From: rgallegos at nagdu.org (Raul Gallegos - NAGDU) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 09:33:31 -0600 Subject: [NAGDU] Recording for the NAGDU AirBNB meeting on December 22, 2021 In-Reply-To: <3fc801d7fb1e$7a7b98b0$6f72ca10$@gmail.com> References: <3fc801d7fb1e$7a7b98b0$6f72ca10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a98c6cf-750e-4cec-a1e1-17d8dbff851d@nagdu.org> Hello everyone. As many of you are aware, NAGDU hosted a public meeting last week on December 22, where we discussed the current Air BNB situation with our national NFB office. In case you were not able to come to this meeting, or if you simply want to review it, here is the recording. https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjBY6kPd-wTfgYAlaLySOfo5S4Rjbw?e=GTVnbI Thanks everyone. -- Respectfully, *Raul A. Gallegos* / President National Association of Guide Dog Users, /NAGDU/ 346.439.7444 | RGallegos at nagdu.org Subscribe to the NAGDU Public Events Calendar Here Schedule a 30-minute Zoom meeting with me here Join NAGDU on Facebook | Follow NAGDU on Twitter "Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap." -- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan From judotina48kg at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 16:28:27 2021 From: judotina48kg at gmail.com (Tina Thomas) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 08:28:27 -0800 Subject: [NAGDU] Fwd: Dog Food Recall References: <39.77.27469.F20E9C16@momentum-soi-01-mta2.prod.aweberint.com> Message-ID: <630BF5EE-4795-4000-92B9-D051EA945463@gmail.com> For your information. Tina and the little man. 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Box 2363 > Naples FL 34106 > USA > > Unsubscribe | Change Subscriber Options > From stanley7709 at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 13:44:42 2021 From: stanley7709 at gmail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 08:44:42 -0500 Subject: [NAGDU] Recording for the NAGDU AirBNB meeting on December 22, 2021 In-Reply-To: <2a98c6cf-750e-4cec-a1e1-17d8dbff851d@nagdu.org> References: <3fc801d7fb1e$7a7b98b0$6f72ca10$@gmail.com> <2a98c6cf-750e-4cec-a1e1-17d8dbff851d@nagdu.org> Message-ID: <2b9101d7fd83$667f4980$337ddc80$@gmail.com> Thank you -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Raul Gallegos - NAGDU via NAGDU Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 10:34 AM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: Raul Gallegos - NAGDU Subject: [NAGDU] Recording for the NAGDU AirBNB meeting on December 22, 2021 Hello everyone. As many of you are aware, NAGDU hosted a public meeting last week on December 22, where we discussed the current Air BNB situation with our national NFB office. In case you were not able to come to this meeting, or if you simply want to review it, here is the recording. https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjBY6kPd-wTfgYAlaLySOfo5S4Rjbw?e=GTVnbI Thanks everyone. -- Respectfully, *Raul A. Gallegos* / President National Association of Guide Dog Users, /NAGDU/ 346.439.7444 | RGallegos at nagdu.org Subscribe to the NAGDU Public Events Calendar Here Schedule a 30-minute Zoom meeting with me here Join NAGDU on Facebook | Follow NAGDU on Twitter "Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap." -- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/stanley7709%40gmail.com