[NAGDU] audible traffic signals

Tue Sep 21 01:07:02 UTC 2021

Not sure what you mean by tactile signals. I haven’t seen any, or I am just daft.
Cindy

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Sandra Gayer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I prefer tactile signals to audible ones so I can keep listening. It's
> harder than you think when it's a 2 way street. Electric cars are
> quieter than conventional engines and theithey're increasing in
> popularity. The world and his wife are talking on the phone or to each
> other while they're waiting to cross. I'm a cane user but that's my
> view.Tactile signals plus normal listening for all vehicles. I can't
> stand cyclists, they never ring their bell and it's hard to hear them
> over articulated vehicles. Sorry for the rant!
> 
> Very best wishes,
> Sandra.
> 
> On 9/20/21, Kevan Worley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Michael, exactly! I typically use audible pedestrian signals, I think they
>> are now called accessible pedestrian signals. And that’s because they aren’t
>> always audible. In fact I kind of like the ones that have the vibrating
>> button and the audible. I tend to use audible traffic signals as my
>> secondary source. In the same way I use non-blind people. You can’t always
>> count on non-blind people to cross at the appropriate time. So, if the
>> traffic pattern indicates that I can go and non-blind people go. That’s a
>> pretty good indication that onyx won’t have to do a traffic check like all
>> of you, I’m sure. I don’t really think it through that way. It’s just a part
>> of how my brain now works as a blind traveler with a guide dog. In fact, if
>> you guys are like me? I start listening to traffic patterns, probably about
>> a half a block before I get to the next intersection. I don’t usually think
>> much about it. But I know I do it that way. I live in Colorado Springs
>> Colorado. And I now live downtown. So I’m pretty lucky! I do not have tons
>> and tons of incredibly busy intersections with eight and 10 lanes of traffic
>> with traffic islands and all of that. That’s what I had in my old
>> neighborhood. Once I got out of the residential area to get anywhere was a
>> true travel adventure! And I’m still alive! I’ve always enjoyed traveling as
>> a person who is blind. I think there’s a little bit of an art to it if you
>> do it well. On the other hand, my blind son Nijat. A cane user. At a good
>> one. Once told me his strategy. Wait a cycle. And then if you can’t figure
>> it out. Run! Crack me up. Safe travel y’all. Forward. Always forward!
>> 
>> At Your Service,
>> Kevan Worley
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> APS can be helpful, but they will not and cannot replace you listening to
>>> traffic. As Susan said, " It will signal you to cross when the traffic is
>>> hopefully doing the right thing, and drivers should expect pedestrians to
>>> cross". "Supposed" is the operative term here. As with sighted
>>> pedestrians, blind pedestrians cannot and should not rely totally on APS.
>>> All the signal tells you is that traffic direction should be in your
>>> favor. Especially today where drivers are paying less and less attention
>>> to pedestrian traffic we must be more vigilant.
>>> 
>>> An APS can be especially helpful on a wide street as typically, with
>>> signals on both sides of the street you can keep a better straight line
>>> across the street. However again, you as the pedestrian need to pay most
>>> attention to the traffic around you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Hingson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Susan Jones via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 12:20 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] audible traffic signals
>>> 
>>> Good issue for discussion.
>>> 
>>> They now call them Accessible Pedestrian Signals, APS With a wide street
>>> like that, you definitely need one.  It will signal you to cross when the
>>> traffic is hopefully doing the right thing, and drivers should expect
>>> pedestrians to cross.
>>> ACB has done a lot more with APS's than has the NFB.  I lobbied for one
>>> years ago, b/c we have a street in our neighborhood that is extremely
>>> busy, but the side streets are not, so you don't get any paralel traffic
>>> that would clue you that it's time to cross.
>>> I feel much safer with that APS, though of course I listen for oncoming
>>> traffic as well.
>>> 
>>> Susan
>>> 
>>> sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of rebecca.young1264---
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:55 PM
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>>> Cc: rebecca.young1264 at outlook.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] audible traffic signals
>>> 
>>> Good afternoon. I don’t have problems crossing the streets with just
>>> normal listening to the traffic. However, where we live right now, we
>>> crossed a major 8 Lane Highway to get to the other side of our street.
>>> There is a push button light there, and I do use it. However the audible
>>> signal would be nice, just to make things a little bit easier. Because my
>>> parallel traffic is also A very busy street right there. Audible signals
>>> in certain places sometimes just make things a little easier.
>>> 
>>> Becky
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Richard via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi;
>>>> 
>>>> Just wondering what people's thoughts are concerning audible or
>>>> accessible traffic signals?  One magically appeared a few weeks ago at
>>>> a crossing I found difficult.  Previously I wasn't a big fan listening
>>>> to traffic should be enough.  I must admit that I have found them to
>>>> be a  nice plus.  Never thought I'd say that.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
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