[NAGDU] churches??

[marianne at denningweb.com]

I have to take back some of my words. Here is a link that gives good information but it can be a little confusing. Religious organizations are covered under Title 3 of the ADA and also covered under 504. 
https://adata.org/factsheet/religious-entities-under-americans-disabilities-act

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] churches??

Heather,
you gave a great explanation. Religious entities can refuse, except where they house a public entity such a s shelter, day care center, etc. that is open to the public.
I have personally had mixed responses to my guide dog within the church and on the church's transportation vehicle. People's personal cars are a different story. It is more difficult to get rides from individuals over the long haul. Just sharing my experiences.
Debbie Malone

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 2:19 PM Heather Bird via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> So, churches are not considered a place of public accommodation. This  
> has to do with the concept of separation of church and state. This 
> also applies to other places of worship, so a mosque or synagogue for 
> instance. Many religious institutions welcome individuals with their 
> service dogs, but they have the right to refuse. Now, it gets a little 
> more difficult when for instance there is a school or homeless shelter 
> or other place of public accommodation, that happens to be run by a 
> church, or situated within the church. There is some guidance from the 
> department of justice, but people have had mixed results, with regards 
> advocacy and accessing public services offered by religious 
> institutions. I always tell people thatt, it never hurts to ask, 
> education can be beneficial, and even though they’re not required to 
> take you and your service dog, trying to do a little advocacy, without trying to force the issue, is usually a good idea.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 27, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Jessica Diaz via NAGDU 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Afternoon,
> > Church for me has never been an issue. I also have relied on rides 
> > from awesome people. Though we have pretty awesome transit here none 
> > are super close to the churches my hubby and I have attended. Good 
> > luck. For me, they have all been pretty welcoming.
> > Jess
> >
> >> On 9/27/21, Richard via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi;
> >>
> >> I'm certainly not an A D A expert but I didn't think churches would 
> >> be
> an
> >> issue.  Generally although they are a private organization most 
> >> churches are open to the public.
> >>
> >> In my little world church has never been an issue.  In most cases 
> >> public transit isn't an  option when going to the church of my choice.
> Generally
> >> a
> >> church member is happy to take my  wife and myself with no problems.
> Since
> >> it is their private automobile, however, its really up to them 
> >> whether
> the
> >> dog comes or not.  I have seen some people who have their no dogs
> allowed
> >> sign up.  Then there are others who would happily take my dog and 
> >> I'm welcome to stay home.
> >>
> >> Just  my personal experiences
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
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