[NAGDU] Uber cancels again

Fri Aug 12 17:58:32 UTC 2022

				I'd love to know what the bus company said to the cops that got them to show up. 

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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 1:41 PM
To: Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Al Sten-Clanton <albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again

As for my own case, I called the cops because I thought they could do something.  It was Fung Wah's call to the cops that actually brought them to the bus station, though, which I learned later.  Maybe I should have known better what to expect, but it had been fifteen years or so since I'd played lawyer and I was sure only that I had a right to be on that bus.

Best!

Al

On 8/12/22 12:41, Star Gazer via NAGDU wrote:
> 			So how do you resolve that if you call the cops and they swear it’s a civil matter when it isn't?
>
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> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via 
> NAGDU
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> Cc: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
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> No, it was not a civil matter! Chances are that your state statute 
> covers the public access issue as well as the ADA. Many lawn Forssman 
> people think that it is simply a civil matter when it is not
>
> JODY
>
> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>
>
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
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> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  
> Erik Weihenmayer
>
>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> It wasn't uber or Lyft, but when the Fung Wah bus company refused to 
>> take me because of my guide dog, the cops did come, but said they 
>> couldn't force Fung Wah to take me because it was a civil law matter.
>> During the wonderful and exciting case that arose from this, I never 
>> heard that the cops could have done more.  One of them did drive my 
>> wife and me to a nearby Amtrak station, so we made the trip anyway.
>> (Note:  the saga began on 15 January 2004.)
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, our case did make the news, so you might have heard of it.  We won a considerable award, technically, but never got a penny because the company crashed here and went elsewhere after losing its appeals.
>>
>>
>> If any state has criminal penalties for this sort of thing, that might indeed be a help.
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>> On 8/12/22 08:11, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi Jodi.
>>> Sorry, won't work.  They don't stop; they just drive by.  Or, in my case, cancel as soon as they suspect I might have a dog with me.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody 
>>> ianuzzi via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:28 PM
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>>> Cc: Jody ianuzzi
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
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>>> It is in violation of state statute and the ADA to deny someone a 
>>> ride. Perhaps it is time to call the police each and every time and 
>>> have them charged with a misdemeanor
>>>
>>> JODY
>>>
>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>>>
>>>
>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO 
>>> BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, this business is utterly frustrating.  Before Uber and Lyft, there were cabs and at least one bus company that screwed us this way.
>>>>
>>>> Particular to Uber and Lyft and their ilk, though, what more particular things do you think we should do?  I've been away from law for a long time, so I don't know what remedies we might still have.
>>>>
>>>> Best!
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Hingson 
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:35 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>>>>
>>>> They simply don't care. Uber has demonstrated that time and time again. The question is what are we as an organization going to do differently to address the problem?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
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>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via 
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>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 11:19 AM
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>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
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>>>> Don’t these guys realize that you know they cancelled. You are not living in a vacuum?
>>>> Cindy Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I took Igloo to the vet today to get a heartworm test so I can 
>>>>> order him more meds.  When I was done, I sent for an Uber.  When I 
>>>>> got a driver, I messaged him to say to come around to the back 
>>>>> parking lot of the animal clinic, since it's hard to find.  I also 
>>>>> said I'm blind and to call out to me.  Shortly afterwards, that 
>>>>> driver cancelled.  I really doubt it was a coincidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I should have added that I have a service dog?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last time I tried to complain about a driver cancelling when he 
>>>>> saw I have a service dog, I got no satisfaction at all.  Clearly 
>>>>> Uber is no longer interested, even as much as they ever were.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's becoming a trend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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