[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Tue Jul 12 01:40:25 UTC 2022

Hi.
Because, i like dogs and like training them. I am willing to put in the time
and effort. I know what i want in a dog. I can choose my own dog and breed
of dog. I can train the dog the way i want. I have the financial ability to
take care of my own dog and buy my own gear. And so many other things.
But, i do definitely think it’s not for everybody. Or, may i dare say, for
most folks. The amount of time alone to train a dog from pup to working dog
is many many hours of consistent work.
HTH.

Vivianna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am choosing to owner train because the waiting lists are more than two years. I also really enjoy training dogs.
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Brent Franklin via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What made you go
>> down that path.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> Brent.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Vivianna
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
>> 
>> Hi.
>> Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
>> Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all of the
>> training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog trained then that
>> is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
>> There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube videos
>> etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read them now though
>> because, they are there and i can. I am currently working my 3.5 year old
>> boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.
>> 
>> Vivianna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if you owner
>>> trained your guide what resources did you use? In my area there are no
>>> professional trainers that train guide dogs.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Shelby
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I really
>>>> didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise for me? I
>>>> think
>>>> we should schedule a negative meeting very soon to see if nagged you and
>>>> nfb will do more. Then we can decide what happens from there. What do you
>>>> think?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's need to
>>>>> comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU meeting is a
>>>>> start,
>>>>> but we already did that. We need to not only pursue what Tim suggested,
>>>>> but
>>>>> we need to look at other possible options. Not going to discuss too much
>>>>> in
>>>>> public right now. If NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule
>>>>> time. There are options we can explore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of robert stigile via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>> 
>>>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>>>>> Valley Chapter
>>>>> 818-381-9568
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious action. And
>>>>>> the time is now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us seriously. When
>>>>>>> will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a company for violating the
>>>>>>> ADA? Time for settlements to go away. Uber already thinks so. We
>>>>>>> should strategize.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high cancellation
>>>>>>> rates"
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver finding
>>>>>>> another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
>>>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and Uber
>>>>>>> totally doesn't even understand the problem.
>>>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>                            They aren't, almost sounds like an AI
>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a driver
>>>>>>> cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the
>>>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time seemingly
>>>>>>> attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message from Uber saying
>>>>>>> they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote again, repeating the info
>>>>>>> I'd already given them.  Then I got a response saying the price was
>>>>>>> good and they couldn't do anything about it and I wouldn't get a
>>>>>>> refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
>>>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he sees a
>>>>>>> service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
>>>>>>> Grrrr.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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