[NAGDU] guide horse

Thu Jun 22 00:35:47 UTC 2023

They are not, but its up to the disgression of the airlines now. In my opinion, if someone wants a guide horse instead of a dog, then they should be able to apply for, and get one. 

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I also thought I heard that they were not outright banned. 

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I thought the horses had finally been accepted.

C
indy Lou Ray
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> On Jun 21, 2023, at 3:33 PM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> In 2011, the ADA restricted assistance animals to dogs. So many people tried passing off all kinds of exotic animals as assistance animals that it caused a lot of trouble. Guide horses that were working at the time were grandfathered in and allowed to continue but I don’t think new guide horses are permitted under the ADA.
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> it is difficult enough to get through the grocery store with a guy dog without drawing attention, having a guide horse would probably make it even more difficult to go to public places.
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> I absolutely adore horses, but I don’t think they’re appropriate animals to be guides. Horses are a flight animal  And would require a lot of socialization and desensitizing in order to work in a heavy traffic environment.
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> There’s also the difficulty that they have to wear appropriate shoes and a toileting harness at all times. They don’t fold easily in a small space such as under an airline seat, or in a car.  
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> I think the advantage of the horse has they have a much longer life than a dog, but loving both dogs and horses. I can’t imagine having a guide horse.
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> JODY
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>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 4:21 PM, Josh via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Isn't there any possible way I could have a class A 26 to 30 inch tall mini horse guide animal? A guide horse? Could a guide dog school train one for me? Ann Edie has her guide horse, Panda, after all, who was trained by Alexandra Kurland. The more time I spend with Jazzy, the more I love mini horses! I feel very very safe and comfortable with miniature horses.
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>> Josh
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>> BS’D
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>> Josh,
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>> I’d say that your experience of being dragged around has less to do with the guide dog than the specific guide dog which you were working with. When I got my first guide dog, now passed, I was on an Information Course before I was accepted, it’s the routine in my country of birth, and I got to work three different guide dogs, a male Labradoodle, a male Labrador and a female Labrador. The boys dragged me around because their physical size and pace didn’t match me, the small female Labrador with several walking speeds matched me better and when I got my first guide dog Hera, she was the perfect match for me. I don’t want to minimalize your experience but guide dogs are like us humans, different. You need to have the best match for you to get a smoothly partnership for both human and dog.
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>>>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 7:52 AM, Josh via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I wish I could do a juno walk with a guide horse somehow. I would absolutely love that! Specifically a class A 26 to 30 inch tall mini guide horse. I visited a guide dog school over 20 years ago. I felt I was being dragged by the dog. When I walk with the female mini horse with  the lead rope. Note I do not own the horse... anyway she has a nice fluid smooth motion when she walks. She doesn't pull me at all, like the dog at the guide dog school did, and unless like the one time she was distracted by some grass getting her back on track is relatively easy. At least for me it is. I would love a guide horse similar to Jazzy someday. She is such a good little horse!! 
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>>> Hi Cindy,
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>>> That is exciting. Have fun.
>>> 
>>> Stephanie
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>>>>> On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> I have a Juno walk next Tuesday. I am really excited about it.
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