[NAGDU] Flying, part 2

Thu Jun 22 15:26:01 UTC 2023

My interpretation has been that they are supposed to make the forms
available at the gate regardless, however, based on Al's email, it sounds
as if airlines are actually interpreting this as the form is only made
available at the gate if the flight was booked within 48 hours of departure.

Just another reason we need to do something about this. I'm glad to here
there are some options in the works.

-Mike

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 10:37 PM Sarah Calhoun via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> The only attestation forms that can be used are the ones composed by the
> Department of Transportation. When signing the form(s), you are stating to
> DOT the information is truthful and correct.
> If airlines want to require these forms, it is up to each airline to make
> them accessible.
> it is not mandatory for airlines to require these forms, but there is a
> lot of misunderstanding surrounding this fact.
> Along with the release of these DOT attestation forms, DOT stated airlines
> who require these forms must make them available at the gate.  We know this
> is not being followed. I recommend, each time you fly you have a completed
> up to date form with you, even if you have completed forms on-line or the
> airline has joined with Open Door Organization and use their system.
>
> Sarah
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Al Elia via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 8:21 PM
> To: Christina Moore <moorechristina107 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Al Elia <al.elia at aol.com>; NAGDU Mailing List, the National
> Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Flying, part 2
>
> Everyone:
>
> 1. You need to check your airlines website for their particular
> requirements. Each airline has a different process for providing your DOT
> form electronically if you book more than 48 hours in advance. You should
> also re-check  the airline website each time you book a new reservation, as
> several airlines have changed their procedures. It is all very frustrating.
> You should be able to find information on your airlines service animal
> procedures by googling your airline’s name plus service animals.
> 2. You should always use the DOT form, not the form provided by the
> airline with their logo/name on it. All airlines must accept the DOT form.
> However, airlines have been refusing to accept forms with other airlines’
> branding.
> 3. MAke sure that if you bring a copy of the form with you to the airport,
> you  bring one that has your signature’s date after the date you booked
> your fglight. Also, keep in mind that you will need to check and comply
> with any processes for providing the form more than 48  hours in advance of
> your flight if you booked mor  than 48 hours in advance.
> Bringing the form to the airport is not an acceptable alternative to
> whatever processes your airline has on its website unless the airline
> clearly states that all you need to do is bring the form with you to the
> airport.
> 4. NFB and NAGDU are working on a petition to amend the regulations about
> flying with a service animal to reduce the barriers blind folks encounter
> when flying with a guide dog. We are also working with legislators to enact
> a pre-check for service animals pilot program that would eliminate the
> requirement to deal with the DOT forms for program participants.
>
> We will be discussing the problems and solutions to our flyinhg with our
> guide dogs  at our seminar and business meetings in Houston. I hope to see
> you all there.
>
> Yours,
>
> /Æ
>
> Al Elia
> NAGDU Board member
>
>
> On 21 Jun 2023, at 9:22, Christina Moore wrote:
>
> > Yeah when I fly, I keep the form with me. I think they are good for a
> > year or so but I could be off on that timing.
> > Does anyone know if you switch airlines you have to use that airline's
> > form? I did do the new form when I flew the different airline back
> > last September but not sure if you can use the same form since it is
> > pretty much the same thing just a different airline on it.
> > Christina
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 8:50 AM Tina Thomas via NAGDU
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I would keep my DOT service Dog from with me.
> >> When I was flying United March 12 2023 from Minnesota, I was stopped
> >> and asked if I had the DOT service animal forms printed out and on my
> >> person.
> >> The woman of color asked me to present them. I informed her that I
> >> had uploaded them on the website, and I had no way to print them out.
> >> So she went to check the system a couple of times and then she came
> >> back and said well we did find your form, however, you must have a
> >> printed copy in the airport. She also asked me if I had a copy of the
> >> forms on my phone and I said yes only  Because yes I did but still.
> >> Everyone, be vigilant and be safe when traveling to and from
> >> convention. I’m sure this issue is going to show up one way or
> >> another. We are still far removed from the day after civil rights.
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