[NAGDU] Experiences with Guide dog foundation
joy.relton at icloud.com
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Tue Mar 12 21:33:45 UTC 2024
Hi Julie,
I second the opinion of Shannon. She is very special. She trained me with Vicky. She welcomes and encourages questions. I would urge you to feel free to ask additional questions if the answers don't make sense. If you ask any of the seven instructors that I had they will all tell you that I do ask a lot of questions. Shannon is absolutely top, in my opinion when addressing body position, hand and arm position and its effect on your orientation and your dog's work. When I trained with Vicky I was finding that I now have some loss in hearing which changes my spatial orientation. In addition, even though I've been totally blind since I was about seven, I am losing more of my sight as well as what people sometimes call "facial vision". In addition to asking lots of questions, I try hard to remind myself to really listen and apply what I learn from my questions. If after consideration, what they say doesn't make sense, then, say so in a respectful way and come to a meeting of the minds. After all, that's real communication
BTW, I refuse to consider myself from anywhere near the dinosaur era, after all, I just turned sixty-seven on Friday and, once I get caught up on my sleep, I feel as though I'm still in my forties. I got my first dog in 1976. Roger Taylor made my training experience wonderful and, being a lover of history, made our bicentennial extra special for me. .
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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Experiences with Guide dog foundation
Julie, if that is the April one class at The Seeing Eye, the class manager, Shannon Manahan, is terrific! She is the daughter of the individual who used to be the admissions person at The Seeing Eye. So Shannon kind of grew up knowing about The Seeing Eye. She also married a gentleman back then who had a sibling who was and still is an instructor at The Seeing Eye. Actually, it was a group of triplets, and one of the triplets is that instructor. Anyway, you will be in good hands under Shannon's leadership as that class manager. Yes, it will be scary, and some of the commands, equipment, and body positioning things will be different. But you will adjust. But to be fair, sometimes even some of the instructors and other staff they don't always listen well to what we say to them. So you make absolutely certain that your wants needs and preferences are clearly understood. No harm in treating your horn to make sure you are heard. Good luck in class, and I have another friend who, depending on some medical issues that she's dealing with right now, may make it into that class as well. She's an old timer like me (we got our first dogs when the dinosaurs were still roaming the earth). And she will be a great role model for you if she is able to go into that class.
Having said that, everyone has to go to the school that meets their needs. And everyone has to understand that in order to hopefully get the type of dog they want, they need to be honest, forthright, and absolutely determined to make sure that they are heard.
Vanessa and the zoo
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> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Julie A. Orozco via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I love this discussion of schools.
>
> I am actually switching schools this time around from Guiding Eyes to
> Seeing Eye. It's scary, this school switching thing. I'm actually
> pretty terrified. But I, likewise, did not feel heard by one of the
> Guiding Eyes trainers, though my experience with GEB was extremely
> positive, and I got two great matches out of them. I wanted to switch
> to a school where I could own my dog upon graduation. Although I
> looked into GDF, when I was actively applying to schools, they were
> doing classes only every month, and it seemed like their class wait
> time was pretty long.
>
> I am going to class at TSE next month and cannot be more excited and
> freaked out all at the same time. All that to say, switching schools
> is understandable. Lots of handlers have done it for one reason or
> another. GDF is a great school, and I've heard about lots of positive
> experiences there. I do believe they require a video for admission, so
> if that's not something you can do, I would consider bringing that up
> to the school.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Julie
>
>
>> On 3/12/24, Jessica Sears via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> So, I am going to second this story with my own. I got my first
>> amazing dog from GDB. We worked for a solid 8 years and even both
>> moved from a small town to a major city and still made it somehow ha.
>> He sniffed everything but I could work with it. For my second I
>> actually went to GEB and it really was just not great at all. I never
>> will school bash but I will never returned because I just felt not
>> listened too. I told them the dog would not be a good fit, I
>> explained he had to much energy for me, and when he basically
>> destroyed my room in about 5 mins while I went to get a snack and did
>> not zip the cage, they said I wasn't giving him enough time. I said
>> ok the school knew better right? Well I had him for 9 months of hell
>> and he chewed through everything from ethernet cables to a bunch of
>> bananas in a bag. Now I am not messy ok but my home was lived in and
>> the bananas were on the top of the microwave that sat on a counter
>> That dog had a stomach of rock and how he never got sick I will never
>> know. The deal breaker for me was that I straight up felt the school
>> lied to me because when I spent thanksgiving with his raiser who was
>> such a sweet woman, her and her whole fam said they were stunned he
>> made it through his IFT test. I guess the first time he failed and
>> they let him come back after they worked with him some. They said his
>> house manners were horrible and they did report it to the school
>> multiple times. That just got under my skin. I think these schools do
>> us such a amazing service but I do think they owe us transparency
>> also. As a side note, when I almost got hit by a car and told the
>> school to please come and get this terror, they called me the next
>> day and said that he was career changed immediately. He now lives in
>> up state NY with an amazing family on 5 acres of land and runs free.
>> I love that because he was a really good dog just not trainable. I
>> guess I will say GEB did go out and work with him there also a few
>> times over the years for chewing through fencing ha which was nice of
>> them but he has finally showing ideas of becoming a bit better of a
>> boy. Got my current in 2019 from TSE and will after she retired be
>> done because all of these ride share denial issues and just being at
>> a different life place working from home. I do second that all
>> schools can let us down and so can we as handlers. I so hope you find your fit. GDB did food reward which I don't like and TSE had hands down the best traffic training I've ever had. Every place can give you a great experience. Good luck.
>> Jess
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 10:51 PM Sherry Gomes via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Normally, I'd agree with everyone who says that sometimes matches
>>> don't work out and it's nobody's fault, not dog, handler or school.
>>> But my last dog from GDB well, I've always wondered. I signed
>>> petitions and wrote letters the year their CEO fired over half the
>>> admissions and graduate services staff. I definitely wasn't quiet
>>> about it. So, I was accepted for retraining. I have other
>>> disabilities, so I have to have an easy to manage, slow pace, not
>>> easily distracted dog. Because I was working from home, I was
>>> concerned they might not accept me, so I wrote a long letter to
>>> their team that reviews applications, discussing it and routes I
>>> had. I also wrote a strong list of things that I did or did not want
>>> in a dog. Number one thing I did not want was a dog with strong dog distraction issues.
>>> Hard
>>> pulling, lunging, things like that could cause me to fall, maybe
>>> even break or damage one of my artificial joints, and if I fell, I
>>> could not get up without help. Those at the school knew all about
>>> me. I got my first dog there in 1975 and this was 2014. So, they
>>> gave me a golden retriever, and she had the worst dog distraction
>>> issues I'd ever seen. She was not safe for me. She was young, and I
>>> hoped she'd grow out of it. two weeks in class isn't much time for
>>> dealing with issues like that after all. But for the next five
>>> years, this dog was not safe for someone like me. She lunged, she
>>> even got away from me a few times. I got to the point where I never
>>> wanted to go out with her alone, and my best friend would come and
>>> walk with me, to help keep me safe and to get the dog if she got
>>> away. After five years, I'd had enough. I didn't get a guide dog to become even less independent!
>>> I
>>> applied for retraining and was denied, basically because they said I
>>> didn't try hard enough. Lol. I had multiple visits from field staff
>>> during those five years. After GDB denied me, which felt like being
>>> thrown out of a family for me after all those years, I applied to
>>> guiding eyes and GDF.
>>> Field managers from the area I lived at the time did home interviews
>>> and of course walks with the dog and Juno walks. And both, without
>>> my prompting, immediately said, that dog isn't safe; that dog is
>>> dangerous for you. Both those schools accepted me and I went on both
>>> their waiting lists. I gave the golden back to her raisers who lived
>>> near me and whom I knew well.
>>> This
>>> was in 2019, and then the pandemic hit. Guiding eyes was the first
>>> school that came through with a dog for me in 2021, so I went with
>>> them. and I have a wonderful guide dog. She reminds me every day
>>> that this is what a guide dog should be like, good calm worker,
>>> sweet loving well behaved companion at home. Starting with around
>>> 2000, it seemed any dogs I had were either great workers and bad at
>>> home or good at home and not great workers.
>>> I forgot they could be both. But, I'll never ever be bonded to any
>>> school like I was GDB. My dog will be 9 in august, and at the advice
>>> of my field person, I put in the retrain app last year. However,
>>> when Shani, my guide dog, needs to retire, if guiding eyes doesn't
>>> come through, I'll apply to GDF happily. I did not write all this to
>>> bash GDB. My best friend has had three wonderful dogs from them, and
>>> I had a number of great dogs from them before the last one. Just
>>> saying, that I often wonder, now I can think about it all without
>>> feeling sick to my stomach or wanting to cry, if I was set up with
>>> that last dog, because I had been so vocal about my displeasure
>>> about what they did to their staff. But realistically, mismatches
>>> happen now and then. Everything might seem fine in training and then
>>> things go sour at home. You just never know. Dogs and humans, living
>>> breathing beings with their own strengths, flaws, fears and
>>> challenges. I wish you luck if you apply to GDF. I've heard a lot of
>>> good things about them and try to keep my ears open in regard to
>>> that school.
>>>
>>> Sherry
>>> Sherry.gomes at outlook.com
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
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>>> Cc: Leslie Hamric <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Experiences with Guide dog foundation
>>>
>>> Hi Margo and all. When I went to get omega, I never had a dog switch
>>> until I got her. I started out with a male black lab named Luke. He
>>> was pretty stressed out from the first morning onwards. He would
>>> just not settle and he was constantly licking his paws. This led to
>>> his pace being on predictable and then on the last day I had him he
>>> would just spin around and harnessed and didn't want to work. So
>>> looking back, I probably would've had to send him back even if I did
>>> graduate with him. So I was glad when I got omega and she's just
>>> the perfect match for me at this time in my life.
>>> Like others have said, mismatches can happen at a bigger school or
>>> smaller school. Th The instructors do their best to mash us up with
>>> the dogs they think will work for us, but no one knows what that's
>>> going to be like until person and dog start working together. I'd
>>> like to think of the matches an educated guess.
>>> Leslie Hamric
>>> Cello and Braille Music Teacher
>>>
>>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 10:46 PM, Margo Downey via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, I don't have experience with GDF. I am wondering why you
>>>> believe
>>> a smaller school would be better.
>>>>
>>>> About matches not working out. I had to switch dogs after two weeks
>>>> in
>>> class. Those things just happen. It's unfortunate and no one is to blame.
>>> The dog I received during the dog switch was just who I needed and I
>>> think she felt I was who she needed.
>>>>
>>>> The best to you in your research.
>>>>
>>>> Margo and Tami
>>>>
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>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>>>> Ray via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 7:48 PM
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>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Experiences with Guide dog foundation
>>>>
>>>> I haven’t had experience with that school, but I wonder what makes
>>>> you
>>> think a smaller school would be better. None of them is really
>>> large. I also agree with what Joy says here. Things happen; matches don’t work out.
>>> I had three not work out. It isn’t an exact science at all.
>>>> Cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 11, 2024, at 6:15 PM, Joy via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I don't have any experience with that school. As you are
>>>>> researching, I admonish you to remember that there is normally no
>>>>> blame when a match doesn't work. It isn't you, the dog or the school.
>>>>> It's unfortunate and it hurts but it isn't generally anyone's
>>>>> failure. I've been there once and I feel badly that Major didn't
>>>>> work out but he is back with his puppy raisers and I believe doing
>>>>> well. I will encourage you to look at all aspects of your
>>>>> experience and learn
>>> from it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck and a hand extended in support and friendship.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joy
>>>>>
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>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 3:33 PM
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>>>>> Cc: Sam Doman <skdoman2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Experiences with Guide dog foundation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I recently had to return my first guide back to leader after 6
>>>>> months of the match not working. I have been looking into some
>>>>> smaller schools as a possibility and I wondered what kind of
>>>>> experiences people have had with GOODF in NewYork. I obviously
>>>>> understand that the school is not the only factor to consider, I
>>>>> just want to research
>>> all my options.
>>>>> Thanks for any help that you can provide.
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