[NAGDU] Seeing Eye

Vanessa Lowery val4dogs at gmail.com
Mon Mar 18 15:45:02 UTC 2024 

There is a third book by Peter Putnam called triumph of The Seeing Eye.

Vanessa and the zoo  
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> On Mar 16, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Love on the lead was written by Peter Putnam. He also wrote another book called keep your head up Mr. Putnam. They are both available on bard
> JODY
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> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
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>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Lyn Gwizdak via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> This is great reading about TSE from many graduates. It was 1993 when the
>> first renovation happened. They put a whole new second floor dorm wing
>> expanding the number of student rooms so they no longer had to have 2
>> people to a room anymore.
>> 
>> There's a book about the history of TSE called "Love in the Lead: the 50
>> year history". Forgot who wrote it.  The book was originally written for
>> TSE 50th anniversary. It has been updated since then. It is available at
>> the school. If anyone wants to read it, call the school. It may be on BARD
>> or from an NLS library for the Blind. I have the print paperback version
>> since I can read regular books with my magnifying glasses. There's great
>> old photos in it.
>> 
>> Lyn and Aristotle
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024, 8:46 AM Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dave and I were in class together when he got vanilla. Oh but the story
>>> that I can tell about the employee who worked at The Seeing Eye who lost
>>> his dog. It's a long story so here goes. David had gone into his room and I
>>> guess thought he had put the dog on tiedown. Or at a minimum had closed his
>>> door all the way and was just letting the dog hang out in the room. Well,
>>> his door was not closed all the way. So unboned Dave, who was beginning to
>>> lose his hearing, vanilla snuck out. Vanilla had it into the room of
>>> another student (room unoccupied at that moment), and stole that students
>>> dogs nail bone.
>>> 
>>> Vanilla was found by housecleaning staff out in the hallway enjoying said
>>> Nyla bone. Dog was collected and handed over to an instructor. Bone was
>>> collected and taken down into the office that the instructor used at that
>>> time affectionately known as the swamp (Bonnie, you would remember the
>>> swamp).
>>> 
>>> Student and dog and who's running the invasion theft had taken place
>>> returned to their room only to find that they couldn't find the not bone.
>>> So Joan Markey is summoned to look for the bone in the room. No luck. Joan
>>> goes down into the swamp, find an bone that wasn't there before, and
>>> determined that it was probably the missing bone.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, Dave discovers that he's missing a dog. I was downstairs
>>> in the foyer waiting to be picked up to go to church. I hear somebody
>>> creeping down the stairs and in a loud whisper calling the dog. Of course,
>>> I am sitting in the foyer many many feet away hearing this and quietly
>>> laughing. Especially because it was Dave.
>>> 
>>> Dave disappeared back upstairs, at at some point, he and Van were
>>> reunited. Fast-forward to lunchtime. Dave, Joan, and I sat at the same
>>> table. Or at least I think Dave was also at the table. Anyway at least most
>>> of the involved parties were there, but gosh! That was in 2004. One of us
>>> started telling the story from one of the perspectives. I can't even
>>> remember which perspective. Missing dog, missing bone, or hearing Dave
>>> search for his dog without any luck. As we all told our segments of the
>>> story putting the entire situation together, our table was in stitches as
>>> we laughed and laughed. One of the funniest memories that I have ever had
>>> while at The Seeing Eye!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vanessa and the zoo
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:28 AM, Bonnie Mosen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I met Mr. Whitstock in my first class. I think he had a Shepherd named
>>> Meghan.
>>>> I believe he retired not long after that.
>>>> Dave Loux is such a nice guy.
>>>> He had Abigail when I first met him in 1990.
>>>> When I worked at TSE he had Alice and Vanilla. Vanilla was such a sweet,
>>> funny dog.
>>>> She would steal yvonna's toys, and one day after all the toys were gone
>>> she tried to take Yvonna.
>>>> I guess she thought the big fluffy golden was a toy dog.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Bonnie and Eclipse
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Joy via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 11:25 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: joy.relton at icloud.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>> 
>>>> Oh yes, If I'm not mistaken he once had a Saluki which is an Egyptian
>>> dog, I think.
>>>> 
>>>> Also do you remember Mr. Whitstock? For those who don't know these
>>> gentlemen, I believe were some of the first blind employees at The Seeing
>>> Eye. Of course, there have been and are others.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Margo Downey via
>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 1:01 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Margo Downey <margo.downey at roadrunner.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, I remember Zilla and David. Awesome people.
>>>> 
>>>> Margo and Tami
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>>> Brannan via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 3:50 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>> 
>>>> Zilla was a sweetheart. Maybe retired when I got Chet, but even if she
>>> wasn’t, she was definitely in evidence and was absolutely delightful. And
>>> yeah, David Loux. Great guy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670 - Erie, PA
>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 2:33 PM, Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I never met more Frank, but my best friend in North Carolina (my home
>>> state) did get to meet him. Did Krokus was there when I was in training
>>> with my first dog in 1982. So was Dan Booke pronounced Booker). I never
>>> worked with Roger Taylor in class. Nor did I do so with Gary Matoon. But I
>>> did get to know both of them. Gary was a hoot, and I must confess, I never
>>> was one of the victims of a Roger Taylor prank, but I'm sure that he could
>>> be quite ingenious about it. An and then there was absolutely sweet,
>>> gracious ROBERT Woodstock. What a gentleman. and David Loux. And for us
>>> dinosaurs, how many of you remember the person on the housekeeping staff,
>>> zilla husbands. She had the most wonderful laugh, so we would all do
>>> anything to get her to laugh. And then there was Paul Parsley, the school
>>> mom! You either loved her or hated her, but you grew to respect her.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vanessa and the zoo
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 1:57 PM, Joy via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My first class was in 1976. I didn't meet Mr. Frank. I did meet Mr.
>>> Crocus and Mr. Debeta. Of course, I also got to know Mr. Gary Mattoon.
>>> Please forgive my spelling in the names. Mr. Mattoon trained my second dog
>>> Zenith but Lucas Franc trained Zenith and I together. Lucas used to call
>>> him Atoshi.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mr. Roger Taylor my first trainer with Vicki (my first Vicki) was a
>>> story teller. Since my dad was also a story teller I was right at home. He
>>> was also a practical joker. He once swopped the harness of a 1 hundred
>>> pound shepherd for a 40 pound shepherd during dinner. In those days, I
>>> can't remember if we still do this, we hung our dogs' harness on the back
>>> of our chair during dinner when we first started using them because they
>>> were stiff and hadn't yet gotten enough softening by the saddle soap.
>>> Anyway, the man who used the larger shepherd was a very tall man from
>>> Louisiana and he has the wonderful slow southern accent. The woman who had
>>> been matched with the smaller shepherd, and my roommate, was a smaller
>>> woman from Canada. When we got up to leave after dinner and began to put on
>>> our dogs' harnesses I can still hear Joe say "something sure is wrong here
>>> because there's no way this is gonna fit on my dog."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In those days everyone was called by their last names. It was to
>>> maintain an atmosphere of respect.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Once when I was walking down the street with Vicki a man came up to me
>>> and told me that he was with the police and  wondered if I had a license to
>>> operate my dog. I sputtered for a while and then asked "do you know Mr.
>>> Roger Taylor?". The man started laughing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are some things which have changed and become more modern at The
>>> Seeing Eye, but, to me, the one thing that remains the same is the emphasis
>>> on quality of breeding and training of dogs. In my experience, if you come
>>> with an attitude that you want to learn how to work with your new partner
>>> and ask lots of questions you end up with a partner who will work with you
>>> for years. There are going to be some partnerships which don't work, but I
>>> believe that it is the minority of the partnership. Of course, that isn't
>>> much comfort if you are the one experiencing the issue at the time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, in 2005 I collapsed with a burst aneurism in my brain and was in
>>> intensive care for a month and then in rehab for another month before I
>>> came home. My husband called The Seeing Eye and got advice as to what to do
>>> to help Belle adjust to the new situation. The support was incredible.  I
>>> was not aware of anything for about a month but my husband had the support
>>> that he needed. Once I began to recover The Seeing Eye was there to support
>>> Belle and I as we began to work together again.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jessica Sears via
>>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 6:54 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Jessica Sears <jlsears86 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am so fascinated by old Seeing Eye stories we are sharing. I would
>>> love to hear more from people on how things really have changed from early
>>> 80's to now. I wonder if anyone is here that met the real Morris?
>>>>>> Jess
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 12:49 AM Suzette May via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I went to The Seeing Eye in September/October of 2022 for my guide,
>>>>>>> a large, long, male Sable German Shepherd named Boden.  I had Lukas
>>>>>>> Franck as my instructor and Joan Markey was our class manager.
>>>>>>> Anyone remember the high school route? Well, Lukas was quite fond of
>>>>>>> that one and I think I did that beast about 3 or 4 times. They
>>>>>>> haven't had that as a route for years but we did it.  I think that
>>>>>>> thing was uphill both ways.  It sure felt like it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As far as retirements go,  I know Lukas retired at the end of
>>> September.
>>>>>>> Lee Johnson retired earlier in 2023, I think. I was sad to hear Jeff
>>>>>>> McMullen retired. Joan Markey started at The Seeing Eye within a few
>>>>>>> years of Lukas so that might happen in a year or two.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nice to see all the different schools on here.  It's interesting
>>>>>>> hearing everyones stories.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *Suzette May*
>>>>>>> *PS139.13 at gmail.com <PS139.13 at gmail.com>*
>>>>>>> *512-564-0152*
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 1:00 PM Julie A. Orozco via NAGDU <
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you for all the comments about Seeing Eye. It is great to
>>>>>>>> know I
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> have an excellent class manager who will answer questions and
>>>>>>>> listen to concerns. I'll tell a little more of my story below in
>>>>>>>> case more reassurances are forth coming.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I retired my second dog in the fall of 2021 shortly before my
>>>>>>>> daughter
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> born. I did not complete the application process for my third dog
>>>>>>>> for a while after that because well, motherhood. So I haven't
>>>>>>>> worked a dog in almost 2 and a half years, which is the longest
>>>>>>>> I've gone without the harness in my hand since 2008. I only had to
>>>>>>>> wait like 5 months between
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> first and second dogs.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My life has changed completely in the last several years. I am a
>>>>>>>> mom of a toddler now, and I feel like I need a unicorn of a dog. I
>>>>>>>> live outside of Washington DC and take the metro a lot, walk a ton,
>>>>>>>> and definitely deal with plenty of chaos and crowds. But I need a
>>>>>>>> dog that will be gentle and forgiving of my toddler and tolerant of
>>>>>>>> young children in general, since
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> looks like we'll be taking her to day care on a daily basis.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am so nervous. Not only do I feel like I'm looking for a dog that
>>>>>>>> might not exist, but I also fear a mismatch. I know everyone has
>>>>>>>> them, but I haven't had one yet. My first two dogs were great
>>>>>>>> matches, and my second dog in particular was an amazing worker and
>>>>>>>> could pretty much read my mind.
>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I can get that level of awesome in a dog again. The
>>>>>>>> Seeing
>>>>>>> Eye
>>>>>>>> is a new school for me, and although I've seen great dogs come out
>>>>>>>> of there, I'm still nervous. I will be spending three weeks away
>>>>>>>> from my family to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> this, and I want that time to count.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There is truly nothing like working a dog though. Even with the
>>>>>>>> rideshare denials and the airline forms, I have to do it. I have to
>>>>>>>> try and do my best to make it work. I do plan on asking lots of
>>>>>>>> questions when I'm there,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I'm not shy. So hopefully that will help.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm so glad there are so many happy Seeing Eye graduates on this
>>> list.
>>>>>>>> Hearing about your experiences is definitely helping. So thank you,
>>>>>>>> and thanks for reading.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Julie A. Orozco J.D.
>>>>>>>> 
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