[NAGDU] Guide dog school wish list
Sherry Gomes
sherry.gomes at outlook.com
Fri Nov 1 23:42:20 UTC 2024
GDB does home training in some circumstances and they have goldens.
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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kerry Macdonald via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2024 1:11 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kerry Macdonald <kerrymac31 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide dog school wish list
I have done home training with two different programs, and absolutely loved them both. They were both right for me at different times in my life when my needs have been different. Now, I am considering applying to the seeing eye, since I would really like a golden retriever, and I don’t know of any home training programs which offer them. However, I don’t know how I will do with a residential program.
I really wish they did home training for first time handlers. I have teenage children and a job which would make it difficult for me to leave home for 2 1/2 weeks.
Kerry
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> On Nov 1, 2024, at 11:57 AM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi, Kerry and all!
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> Home training sounds great to me. A couple of dogs back, I considered applying to Fidelco, mostly because of the home training and also because I wondered what it would be like to work with a German shepherd and knew that's what I'd get from there. I didn't, for a couple of reasons. I don't know if Seeing Eye could do more home training than it does, or how it decides whether to do it for anybody. There might even be some value in beginning my work with a new dog in a place I don't know very well, since at that point it might be good to learn how to trust that dog. I do know that home training necessarily would have given me a lot more subway work, not just one trip to New Y9ork City. It also would have allowed me to get a better sense of some difficult traffic areas that I avoid because I don't have some help to understand them.
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> Best!
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> Al
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>> On 11/1/24 08:06, Kerry Macdonald via NAGDU wrote:
>> I would be very interested to learn more about this program. I have had all of my dogs with home training and think it is great. I agree with you Al about not limiting blind people solely based on the ability to obtain extensive travel training. It is not always available, and unfortunately it is becoming less available with the shortages of qualified instructors now.
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>> Yes, I do agree that schools have to vet everyone properly and there should be Certain qualifications to be met, but not everyone is as proficient as they should be in travel training, and there are some of us who have mild learning disabilities, which make it more difficult. I believe that people should be judged on an individual basis, based on their own particular set of circumstances.
>> Personally, I have some struggles with spatial orientation and due to the flexibility and support I received from my programs I have been able to work three dogs successfully.
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>> Kerry
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>> Kerry
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Oct 31, 2024, at 11:15 AM, Richard Fiorello via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> Hi;
>>> I wasn't at all familiar with Occupaws so it was nice to hear about something new. I'm glad you have had a good experience with them.
>>> Richard
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>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Janell via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2024 4:55 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: nellie at culodge.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide dog school wish list
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>>> Hi all,
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>>> I have been reading all of these messages and I have to say what an interesting topic.
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>>> I have gotten my three dogs from Occupaws Guide Dog Association in Madison Wisconsin. I chose them primarily because of their home training. In all three experiences I was treated with the upmost respect. Their application process is very thorough and extensive. The directors of Occupaws are not paid anything, completely voluntary. After having a dog for one year they do a follow-up visit and if everything is fine, we get ownership of the dog.
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>>> As far as having a blind person work for said guide dog school, I would like to think that they would be hired on the basis of their qualifications, not on the basis of their blindness.
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>>> Dash and Janell
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>>> I can't say enough positives things about Occupaws, and I am forever grateful to them.
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>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 8:09 PM
>>> To: Julie A. Orozco via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Al Sten-Clanton <albert.e.sten_clanton at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide dog school wish list
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>>> I have a couple of thoughts.
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>>> First, I doubt that Morris Frank had great travel skills, and of course, it wasn't his fault. I also had classmates at least in my first class who were getting dogs after having been blind for only a few months or a year. I would not want to see folks like those kept out of a program because they didn't or couldn't get the travel skills that others of us were able to get. Maybe decent travel training is more available than it was in 1979, when I got my first dog, but I doubt it's available enough to justify that kind of disqualification.
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>>> Second, I grew up with dogs, and every adult I knew who had a dog in those days owned that dog. I was surprised to learn in my mid-twenties that you didn't necessarily own your dog after leaving your guide dog school. It seemed and still seems to me an essential part of treating guide dog users as the adults or almost-adults we are supposed to be, an element of the equality we blind folks claim. I know others disagree and am interested in their reasons. I also know that there's some thought out there that we humans shouldn't own dogs, although I have never heard how any alternative would work. Finally, I know that software and some other things are increasingly sold as services or leased, rather than as a property transfer from the seller to the buyer.
>>> So I can acknowledge that actual ownership might not be as central to people these days as it was a while back, even if I dislike it. That does not account for schools in those old days not transferring guide dog ownership to their graduates, however.
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>>> Anyway, again, I'm interested in other perspectives on both my observations.
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>>> Al
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>>>> On 10/29/24 17:48, Julie A. Orozco via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> This is a great topic!
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>>>> I agree about hiring more blind staff including blind guide dog trainers. Some schools have hardly any blind staff at all, and that should not be acceptable.
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>>>> I would also make sure the school has high expectations of blind people, both in general and in terms of its applicants and graduates. I've been to a couple schools now, and mostly, the staff had high expectations of us. But some clearly did not, and it showed. I think these high expectations should transfer into the application process as well. I don't think blind people who work guide dogs need to be perfect travelors or anything, but I've definitely seen people go through schools who seriously need more travel training with a white cane before they get a dog.
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>>>> I would like to see full ownership sooner and possibly a more rigorous application process. I'm not trying to open a can of worms, but owning my own dog is important to me. If a school can do more up front to vet applications, maybe periods of shared ownership can at least be shortened because the school has done more work to get to know applicants.
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>>>> I've thought about this topic a lot in recent months. Can you tell?
>>>> 😊
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>>>> Julie
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>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via
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>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 10:20 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Tara Briggs <thflute at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Guide dog school wish list
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>>>> Hi Kary and others on this list! Kary, I think you made some good points in your last email. Would anyone else like to chime in? If you were suddenly appointed president of a dog guide school, with unlimited powers to enact any changes you wish, what would they be and why? I look forward to everyone’s replies. Personally, I would start by hiring a lot more blind employees. For example, I don’t see why the staff in the dorms couldn’t be blind people with experience using a dog.
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>>>> Tara Briggs
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>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 7:59 AM, Kerry Macdonald via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Mike, I like how you tell it like it is lol.
>>>>> I’m sorry you had that experience and can’t agree with you more. I think unfortunately a lot more of this is going on today. Personally, I do not like the direction that many of the schools are going. I am glad to say that we still have some schools like Freedom, the Seeing Eye and a couple of others, who treat us with dignity and respect. However, I don’t know if others will agree with me or not, but I feel like it is trending the other way in some cases. I wonder if there is a way for us as consumers to make our voices heard with the schools and let them know what we want from them, as well as them telling us What they would like from us. It is a relationship and works both ways.
>>>>> Personally, I do not like how so many of the schools that we have in this country have switched to food reward anas their main method of training and do not offer unconditional ownership.
>>>>> I understand that not everyone wants this, but I believe if schools thoroughly vet their clients during the application process that it should be offered as an option for those who do want it.
>>>>> Also, I know financially, the schools have to consider the breeds that makes sense, but I would like to see them begin to offer more of a variety of breeds. Again, I do not want to offend anyone, however, personally, I do not want to work with a lab, and as someone who doesn’t, my choices are becoming more and more limited.
>>>>> For me, basically, all I am saying is, I would like to advocate for more choice, and more of a partnership between us and our schools. After all, without us, the schools would not have programs at all.
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>>>>> I do not want to start a bunch of controversy on here, this is just my opinion based on recent observations as I research some schools to help a couple of my friends out. I feel like, although there are many schools in this country, most of them, with a couple of exceptions are basically cookie-cutter copies of one another to a large degree.
>>>>> Anyway, just my opinion I do not want to offend anyone. Take care.
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>>>>> Kerry
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2024, at 2:21 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>>> Maybe we ought to change the subject line on this thread. I’m
>>>>>> not moderator anymore, but I thought about it as I finished
>>>>>> making the same error.Patronism by guide dog schools was Cindy
>>>>>> Lou Ray Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2024, at 12:30 PM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Mike,
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>>>>>>> I'm sorry that you had that experience getting your guide dog. I had just the opposite experience at the Seeing Eye. Their motto is independence with dignity. I felt very respected as well as respecting everyone there. Maybe you should consider Seeing Eye for your next dog.
>>>>>>> JODY
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>>>>>>> To Boldly Go 🖖🏻
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>>>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
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>>>>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO
>>>>>>> BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer
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>>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2024, at 11:38 AM, whistlersmothersson--- via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In my opinion, the value of a guide dog is all a marketing tool for programs to justify grant requests and solicit donations. It seems to be based upon the annual budget of the program and how many dogs they place. I also think that some CEOs are very overpaid for running a nonprofit organization. For instance, titus Herman who runs Southeastern Guide Dogs is paid nearly $500,000. And his former job as a Goodwill executive should tell us everything about his perspective on the capacity of disabled people. Finally, one only needs to look at the direction of Southeastern Guide Dogs and their recent name change to Dogs Inc. to know their commitment to training guide dogs. I do believe people with talent should be well compensated for their talent but this sort of salary for the leader of a nonprofit is obscene!
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>>>>>>>> This being said, I earn much more than Mr. Herman, yet while at Southeastern, I was treated like a child and talked down to. Titus would walk around the building like he was some sort of overseer checking out his sharecroppers.
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>>>>>>>> Mike
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>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Margo
>>>>>>>> Downey via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 11:09 AM
>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Margo Downey <margo.downey at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: Uber Almost Got Me Killed!
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>>>>>>>> Actually, last I heard, our dogs are woth $70,000.
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>>>>>>>> Margo and Tami
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>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody
>>>>>>>> ianuzzi via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 9:58 AM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>> Cc: Jody ianuzzi
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] FW: Uber Almost Got Me Killed!
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>>>>>>>> A friend and I were discussing this situation. The driver of the Mercedes kept talking about how his car was worth $60,000 and didn't want it ruined by the dog. Hey! Our dogs are worth $60,000 and we don't want them ruined by Uber drivers!
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>>>>>>>> I am horrified that a department of justice and the local Judge did not take the assault and battery charges seriously! We already know Uber is not on our side but the law should be on our side! Hopefully the lawyers that witnessed the situation will pursue this situation with the state attorney general office.
>>>>>>>> JODY
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>>>>>>>> To Boldly Go 🖖🏻
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
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>>>>>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO
>>>>>>>> BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer
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>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2024, at 4:11 AM, whistlersmothersson--- via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> From the Associate Editor: This article originally appeared in the Summer 2024 issue of the Braille Spectator , the publication of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland. We are reprinting it with light edits. Ronza Othman serves as president of that affiliate. She is also president of the National Association of Blind Government Employees and of the National Association of Blind Lawyers, chairperson of our Code of Conduct Feedback Committee, an active member of the Blind Muslims Group, and more, all on top of her high-pressure day job with the federal government. Despite already having all of these roles, she jokes she is eager to assume yet another as the next Disney princess. In a much less lighthearted vein, we note that the details in this article may profoundly disturb some readers, but we feel it is an important story to tell. It highlights not only the continued discrimination experienced by blind people at the hands of rideshare drivers but also how Ronza's intersecting characteristics and ignorance of disability rights on the part of a member of law enforcement escalated an already tense situation to a traumatic, but thankfully not tragic, sevent. It is clear from Ronza's experience that Uber has not done enough to educate its drivers, or even its customer service personnel and supervisors on its policy forbidding discrimination against blind passengers with guide dogs. That is why, as this issue of the Braille Monitor goes to press, Federationists from across the nation are preparing to conduct a rally before the headquarters of both Uber and Lyft, the country's two leading rideshare providers.
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>>>>>>>>> Discrimination against the blind is an all-too-frequent occurrence, but sometimes how companies and law enforcement respond could literally get us killed. Uber discriminated against me and a fellow passenger who uses a guide dog in July of 2023, and instead of protecting me as the law requires, local law enforcement instead held me at gunpoint and treated me like I was the criminal. Then, after I didn’t die at the hands of the police (probably because my friends were filming the encounter on their phones) and filed a report with Uber, Uber summarily kicked me off their platform in retaliation for my complaint.
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>>>>>>>>> On the first night of the 2023 NFB National Convention in Houston, the National Association of Blind Lawyers got together for dinner at the home of one of our division board members. We brought along some other lawyers, because we tend to travel in packs, including Eve Hill, the lawyers’ lawyer and NFB General Counsel. I also brought along three NFB National Scholarship finalists, two of whom were going into law. One of the students had a guide dog. We had a wonderful dinner, and everyone left in a jubilant mood.
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>>>>>>>>> I called an Uber to take my group of four bipeds and a quadruped back to the hotel around 10:15 p.m.; the driver, Troy, was driving a black Mercedes—I’ll never forget that detail. I got into the vehicle first, sitting in the middle of the back seat. One of the students and her guide dog got in behind the driver. One of the other students got in the passenger-side back seat on my other side, and the third sat in the front seat.
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>>>>>>>>> The driver looked back as we were getting settled and asked, “Is that a dog?” I remember thinking something snarky, like “No, it’s a whale.” But I didn’t answer, because it wasn’t my service animal.
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>>>>>>>>> The student who was the handler said it was a guide dog. The driver, Troy, immediately started fussing at us, stating at least twenty times that this was a “sixty-thousand-dollar Mercedes.” The student calmly responded that her dog was a service animal that was protected under the ADA.
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>>>>>>>>> Troy began shouting at us to get out of his car. He said that he had the right to refuse to take whoever he wanted, and that we had to call Uber Pet. We responded that service animals are not pets, and thus we did not have to call Uber Pet.
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>>>>>>>>> The student with the guide dog and I decided we were not going to exit the vehicle because the driver had an obligation to take us under the ADA. The driver got out of the vehicle and began shouting in the street. This was a quiet neighborhood, fairly upscale, and fairly quickly we attracted notice.
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>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the rest of our friends came out of the house, and there was once again a gaggle of lawyers, this time standing on a Houston sidewalk nearing midnight. What happened next seems surreal.
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>>>>>>>>> As the driver continued to shout about his sixty-thousand-dollar Mercedes, both of the students on the passenger side of the vehicle decided to leave the car. The student with the guide dog and I decided to stay.
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>>>>>>>>> Troy then opened the driver’s side back door, reached into the car, and tried to physically yank the guide dog out of the car. The student was holding onto the dog’s harness, but when Troy started using his might to try to force the dog out of the vehicle, she wrapped her arms around the dog to keep her from being pulled away from her. She began to shout at the driver to stop pulling on her dog, that he was hurting the dog, and that she was a service animal. Troy did not stop for several minutes. The student began to slide out of the car herself because Troy was pulling on the dog so hard. I wrapped my arms around the student to keep her from being pulled out of the car. I believed if Troy was successful at forcing the guide dog or the student from the car, they’d both fall on the ground and be hurt.
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>>>>>>>>> As I held onto the student, Troy started pulling on me too. He used so much force that all three of us—the student, the guide dog, and I—were all sliding slowly out of the car.
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>>>>>>>>> I called 911 to report a physical assault. They took my report and told me someone from the Houston Police Department would come soon. They did not stay on the phone with me like they show in the movies.
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>>>>>>>>> After I hung up with Emergency Services, I called Uber to file a complaint. While I was on the phone with Uber Support, Troy came back and did it again. He pulled, using all of his might, on the guide dog and the student to force them out of the car. I had my arm around the student’s shoulder to comfort her, so he pulled on me too. The Uber customer support person on the phone did nothing except take the report.
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>>>>>>>>> After this second assault and battery, the guide dog was very agitated, and the student was extremely upset. We didn’t know if the dog had been hurt, and if so, how badly. The student decided to get out of the car so she could have enough room to check out the dog and catch her breath. I stayed in the vehicle, because I knew that if I also got out, the driver would just get in the car and leave, resulting in no accountability for his actions.
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>>>>>>>>> I have to pause and give you a quick lesson in the law that you might or might not already know. Assault is a crime—it is when someone takes an action that places another in imminent fear of a battery. Battery means unwanted physical touching. So, Troy both assaulted and battered the student and me. To compound the issue, a guide dog, like a cane or wheelchair, is, under the law, an extension of the person with a disability. That means that if someone intentionally batters a guide dog while it is working, then they’ve battered the human handler. When Troy grabbed the guide dog and tried to forcibly remove her by pulling her from the car, and since the student was holding the harness and then the dog, Troy battered and assaulted the dog and the student. Then, when I tried to help her by anchoring her and he grabbed and yanked on me, he battered and assaulted me too.
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>>>>>>>>> They teach you about assault and battery literally on the first day of law school, but as you’ll come to see, somehow two police departments and a multi-national company don’t know what it is.
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>>>>>>>>> Apparently, in response to the commotion, one of the neighbors called their local police department, which resulted in a faster response from Harris County law enforcement compared with Houston PD. Two police officers from Harris County arrived within twenty minutes of the incident. However, they were not there to help! In fact, instead of helping the student and me, the clear victims here, they nearly shot me—an unarmed brown woman.
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>>>>>>>>> After hanging up with Uber, I called Cayte Mendez, who serves as the chair of the Scholarship Committee, to let her know that three scholarship finalists and I were in the midst of an Uber denial that turned into an assault, for which we were waiting for law enforcement intervention. I also asked my lawyer friends standing on the sidewalk to call Eve Hill, NFB General Counsel, who by that time had made it back to the hotel. Both Cayte and Eve were on the phone with us when the next horrible thing happened.
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>>>>>>>>> Troy managed to get to the Harris County police officers before anyone else, and as best as I can tell, he told them that he was afraid of me, that I refused to leave his vehicle after he decided he didn’t feel “safe” driving me, and that he believed I may have a weapon. He used incorrect and negative stereotypes about brown and Muslim people, and they believed him.
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>>>>>>>>> Throughout this ordeal, my lawyer friends, including the homeowner, were standing on the sidewalk, less than ten feet away from the car. When Harris County police pulled up, the homeowner shared with us that Harris County provides neighborhood support but that Houston police is the entity that handles real crime. He shared that the Harris police provide a sort of neighborhood watch function, similar to mall police.
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>>>>>>>>> As I sat in the back seat of the vehicle, with the windows open, talking to Cayte on the phone, a female police officer slowly walked up to the car on the right side. I learned later there was another police officer nearby covering her. She shouted at me to put my hands where she could see them. She did not identify herself, and I had no idea who she was or that she was a cop. I was holding my phone in one hand and the other was empty. My cane was telescoped on the floor at my feet. I was the only person left in the vehicle.
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>>>>>>>>> For a bit of context: I’m brown, Muslim, a woman, and blind. I wear a religious head covering called a hijab, which makes me very obviously Muslim to the sighted. My family are refugees, and I’m a United States citizen. Houston is much more open to immigrants and people of color than other places in the southern United States, but I still harbor the same anxiety as many immigrants and people of color do when visiting some of the southern states. In fact, I carry my US passport in my bra at all times for my safety so I can quickly prove I am a citizen.
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>>>>>>>>> I dropped the phone—I don’t know if I even said goodbye to Cayte or not—and raised my hands. The officer then directed a very strong flashlight into my face, which was incredibly startling. Once she saw me sitting there, she began to speak very loudly and slowly, as though I didn’t comprehend the English language.
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>>>>>>>>> As she continued to flash the light into my face, I told her that I was blind and needed her to identify herself. She initially did not and continued to speak to me in a loud, condescending voice. Eventually, she moved the flashlight away from my face, and as I readjusted to the lighting, I realized that she was gripping her weapon in her other hand. I was being held at gunpoint by Harris County police simply for being blind, brown, and Muslim.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She eventually told me she was Harris County police; I don’t know if she ever told me her name or not. She asked me if I had a weapon. I told her I did not. She asked me if anything was on the floor of the car. I told her, once again, while she held me at gunpoint, that I was blind and that my cane was on the floor at my feet. She asked me what else was on the floor, and I told her that I did not know because I did not own the vehicle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She did not ask me any questions or take my statement before deciding I was the threat. I had called 911, but I was now the person with a gun on me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She told me that since it wasn’t my vehicle, I was trespassing, and that the “nice gentleman” had a right to kick anyone he wanted out of his car. I told her that my friends and I were Uber passengers, that we had disabilities, and that he had a legal obligation to transport us under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Meanwhile, I was trying not to panic as she still held her weapon on me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She ordered me out of the vehicle and told me to keep my hands up at all times. I told her once again that I was blind, that I needed my cane to safely exit the vehicle, and that I’d like to retrieve it first. Initially, she was not going to let me retrieve my cane, but at that point her fellow officer walked up and told her that she should let me use it. He whispered that everyone around the car had a cane, so I likely wasn’t making up my blindness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She shone the light on the floor of the vehicle to see that the cane was the only item there, and she ordered me to pick it up with one hand while the other was still raised. I did so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She opened the door, and I slowly exited the vehicle, still holding my hands up. I asked if I could retrieve my phone from the car, which was on the seat, and the other officer got it and handed it to one of my friends.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The female Harris County police officer asked for my name—still in that loud, slow tone—and I told it to her. She asked me for my driver’s license, and I told her I didn’t drive. She responded, “Undocumented, I thought so.” I replied that I had a valid ID, that I was a US citizen, and that I didn’t have a driver’s license because I am blind. She ordered me to show her my ID.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I began to move my hand toward my passport but quickly realized that given how ignorant and suspicious this officer had been thus far, moving my hand toward my chest rather than my purse would escalate the situation. I verbally talked her through what I was doing. I was wearing a very small cross-body purse, small enough to hold only my phone, a thin wallet, and my AirPods.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I narrated everything I did before I physically did it. I told her I was going to open the flap of my purse using just the thumb and forefinger on my right hand. I told her I was going to reach in with those same fingers to remove a pink wallet. I told her I was using those same two fingers to open the wallet to show her my state ID. I handed over the wallet, and she looked at it, then ordered me to remove the ID from the wallet and give it to her. At this point, she appeared to me to holster her gun, and I gave her my ID. I told her my passport was in my bra and asked if she wanted to see it. She responded, “Not yet.”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As she took my ID from me, one of my friends told her that she should Google me while she had my name and information. She ordered me to stay put and went off to her vehicle, I assumed to run me through law enforcement databases. I collapsed onto the ground, right there, at the side of the road. My legs could not hold me up anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At some point, my friends had begun recording the encounter, but I’m not sure exactly when they began recording—I haven’t had the mental energy to watch the video. Eve Hill was also on the phone for all or most of it. But that wasn’t the end, not by a long shot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I waited to be run through all the law enforcement databases, my friends filled me in on what I’d missed, including what they heard Troy tell the Harris County officers. They also shared that several of them had showed Harris County PD the Uber website that specifically states Uber’s nondiscrimination policy and that denying service to service animal users violates the law and Uber’s policies. Apparently, that wasn’t good enough either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We also realized that our host had a video surveillance system on his home that likely captured the incident and its aftermath. In fact, the camera footage shows the driver yanking on the dog, the student, and me both times and much of the Harris County police department’s actions. The cell phone recordings my friends took show much of the same with sound.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eventually, the lady officer from Harris County returned, giving me back my ID. She told me again that Troy was just a “nice man” who wanted to keep his expensive vehicle clean. I responded that people with disabilities are not dirty, and neither are our dogs. I also reiterated that the ADA prohibits Uber drivers from refusing service to guide dog handlers and others with disabilities. She said that Uber had to handle this. I told her I had filed a complaint with Uber, but that since the driver assaulted and battered the student and me, this was now a criminal issue as well, and that law enforcement was required to enforce the anti-discrimination laws. The student and I told her we wanted to press charges against the driver. She ordered me to get the person from Uber with whom I filed the report on the phone. I told her I’d try, but Uber has a lot of customer service people. I called Uber, waited on hold, and eventually got connected to a different agent than previously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I told Uber I was calling because I was with law enforcement who wanted to verify I’d called previously to file a report and to ask them questions. Initially, the Uber representative informed me that they would not talk to law enforcement. The female Harris County officer insisted, so I asked for a supervisor. I eventually was transferred to a supervisor, I explained the situation, and the supervisor agreed to talk to the police officer. This all was on speaker phone, and what happened next was also on speaker phone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The police officer asked if a driver has the right to refuse to drive someone if they have a guide dog, and the Uber representative said, “Yes, the driver can refuse to drive anyone they wish.” If I hadn’t already been sitting on the ground, I’d have fallen over. This is a supposed supervisor in the escalation department at Uber, and they don’t even know the law or their own policies? We all, including Eve Hill on the phone, started shouting that this was not true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The police officer asked the phone representative from Uber to share the policy that gives drivers the right to refuse anyone, which frankly stunned me because I didn’t think that Harris County officer was capable of getting to actual true facts. The Uber representative put us on hold, and after about ten minutes, returned and read from the website that my friends had previously shown the officer, which said the exact opposite of what the representative had originally said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At no time did Harris County take my statement or anyone else’s. At no time did they gather evidence or try to figure out what happened. They took a cursory look at the dog and said, “She looks fine to me.” They told us this was a civil matter and to work through Uber. We reiterated we were assaulted and battered and wanted to press charges, and they reiterated that we and the dog weren’t physically hurt from their perspective, thus this was a civil matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At that point, about two and a half hours after the incident began, Houston PD finally showed up. This was a vastly different experience from Harris County. The responding Houston PD officers took our individual statements, understood that the driver could not refuse services to passengers with guide dogs, and treated us with dignity and respect. They also told Harris County PD they had it from there and sent the Harris County officers away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We told them we had recordings and showed them to Houston PD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nonetheless, they, too, did not immediately press charges or allow us to do so. They informed us that their local prosecutor would review the reports and videos and make a determination within a few days. They obtained Troy’s contact information and released him. Roughly three and a half hours after the ordeal began, we returned to the hotel. A few days later, Houston PD informed us that the local prosecutor had declined to bring criminal charges against Troy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I supplemented my report to Uber to add additional details. Three days after Uber nearly got me killed by Harris County PD, they kicked me off the Uber platform. Apparently, in an effort to try to save his job with Uber, Troy filed a complaint against me, stating I threatened him and had a weapon in his vehicle. This was in direct retaliation for my complaint against him. Though my supplemental report to Uber explained how Troy lied to law enforcement and the effect, Uber still, without ever talking to me or doing any sort of investigation, suspended my account. This is a gross injustice, because if anyone who complains is subject to retaliatory suspension, then every person with a disability who tries to protect their rights, as described by the law and Uber’s own policy, will be removed from the platform simply for exercising their rights.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I shared what had happened with President Riccobono, and he contacted Uber himself. Uber executives were at the convention, and President Riccobono arranged a meeting for those executives, John Paré, the scholarship finalists and me. Uber made a lot of promises and commitments, but more than a year later, I’ve not seen any of them come to fruition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I filed two complaints with the [United States] Department of Justice (DOJ) about this experience—one against Harris County Police, and the other against Uber. DOJ closed the complaint against Harris County Police with no action. I have not yet heard any information about the Uber complaint.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What happened to my companions and me isn’t rare. There isn’t a week that goes by that I don’t hear from someone about a rideshare denial because of their guide dog or long white cane. These denials mean that blind people are late for work, medical appointments, worship services, and so on. The fact that Uber personnel didn’t know the law, or their own policies is unforgivable. The fact that law enforcement doesn’t know the law is disgusting and terrifying.
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