<html><body><font face="Helvetica">Hey Darla, first my job treats me the same. They can't find enough people to work at the gym. Getting sick of my job and quitting, is how I ended up where I am. I had a job for 17 years and couldn't stand how they treated those of us from America. <br>I have gone through programs to help me get a better job. The thing is what I like doing, working with and for animals, is hard to find work, and I tryied school and I don't get good enough grades. <br><br>Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App</font><blockquote><br>------ Original Message ------<br><br><b>From: </b>Nicole Torcolini<br><b>To: </b>'Darla Rogers', barbandzoe@comcast.net, 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users', 'Danielle Antoine', 'Star Gazer'<br><b>Sent: </b>July 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [nagdu] Guide Dogs, Canes, and Blindness</blockquote><blockquote>
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<DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="670051301-20072014"><FONT color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Agreed. However, that being said, although I do not think that
Barb has reached this point, there sometimes comes a point that, whatever the
outcome might be, things have become bad enough at a job that, even if you don't
have another one lined up, the current one has to go. Also, to Barb, is your
boss treating you the same way that any other employee would be
treated?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="670051301-20072014"><FONT color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Nicole</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><B>From:</B> Darla Rogers
[mailto:djrogers0628@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:12
PM<BR><B>To:</B> barbandzoe@comcast.net; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National
Association of Guide Dog Users'; 'Danielle Antoine'; 'Star Gazer'; 'Nicole
Torcolini'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [nagdu] Guide Dogs, Canes, and
Blindness<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class="MsoNormal"><FONT color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Calibri"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dear
Barb,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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don’t recommend, unless you can really afford it, to quit a job until you have
another one; that can be difficult when you need to interview and the
like.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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& Happy Healthy Huck</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class="MsoNormal"><B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> nagdu
[mailto:nagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf
Of </SPAN></B>Barb breuer via nagdu<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:07
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Danielle Antoine';
'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'; 'Star Gazer';
Nicole Torcolini<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[nagdu] Guide Dogs, Canes, and
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<P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Helvetica"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I get disability,
and I work$9 an hour. Someone said I make want to quit this gym job and
start a new one after I get my dog. It might be nice, but it took me a
year to get it. <BR>Barb<BR><BR>Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile
App<BR><BR><BR>------ Original Message ------<BR><BR>From: Nicole Torcolini via
nagdu<BR>To: 'Star Gazer', 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
Guide Dog Users', 'Danielle Antoine'<BR>Sent: July 19, 2014 at 6:27
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs, Canes, and Blindness<BR><BR>Okay, no, I
am not the moderator, nor am I Barb, but how many times does she<BR>have to say
that she does not get vacation or sick leave for you guys to<BR>understand that?
If you have not read that yet, then read the entire thread<BR>before
responding.<BR>I agree that the person who did the interview sounds really
unprofessional.<BR>Although I certainly hope that this was not the case, it is
also possible<BR>that they had already decided before the interview that they
would not<BR>accept you, and they just needed some excuse to not do the
interview process<BR>correctly.<BR>I would appeal and/or try somewhere else.
Tell them what you have told us<BR>about not being able to see elevation
changes. Also tell them that, even<BR>though you do have vision, that you will
trust the dog and not try to make<BR>decisions for the dog. Also, I would not
get a dog from them. Even if you<BR>did somehow convince them to give you a dog,
I get the feeling that they<BR>would watch you like a hawk, looking for any
opportunity to take the dog<BR>back.<BR>As for your job, do you make
considerably more than you would get on SSI?<BR><BR>Nicole<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star
Gazer via<BR>nagdu<BR>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 2:15 PM<BR>To: 'Danielle
Antoine'; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of<BR>Guide Dog
Users'<BR>Subject: Re: [nagdu] (no subject)<BR><BR>I wouldn't call it selfish.
Barb, I'm sure people<BR>have taken off for surgeries, babies, honeymoons, that
sort of thing. Why is<BR>this not an option, the only difference is you're
coming back with a dog. <BR>Also, there are gyms everywhere. Why not go work at
another one and tell<BR>them "I can start on xxx" date which would just happen
to be after you got<BR>your dog?<BR>Why is this boss and this gym the only game
in town? <BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nagdu
[mailto:nagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Antoine<BR>via
nagdu<BR>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:17 PM<BR>To: barbandzoe@comcast.net;
NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of<BR>Guide Dog Users<BR>Subject:
Re: [nagdu] (no subject)<BR><BR>Barb,<BR>You say, "I can't get two weeks off
of work to get a dog, I might not have<BR>a job."<BR>That's selfish!
Alot of people say that but in the grand scheme of working<BR>with dog guides
how often do you actually need to leave to train? We're<BR>talking about a month
at most every 8-10 years? In the case of my first<BR>guide, he worked 8
years and I waited another 8 years for my second<BR>well-deserved fur partner.
God forbid a partnership only lasts a year or two<BR>and they do sometimes but
that is not the usual.<BR>That is what happened with my precious Eden girl and
it's been 4 years since<BR>she's been retired. Again, what about sick leave and
vacation days?<BR><BR>As to the help your dog can provide on the job, probably
not much. You have<BR>the option of leaving dog in a secure place either on
tie-down or in a crate<BR>or choose to work the dog outside of work. Plenty of
people get dogs that<BR>don't even have a job so don't let that deter
you.<BR><BR>blessings for your best outcome,<BR><BR>Danie and
?<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 7/17/14, Barb breuer via nagdu <<A href="mailto:nagdu@nfbnet.org" >nagdu@nfbnet.org</A>> wrote:<BR>> I was a
bit put off when the gal didn't have her stuff, but things <BR>> seemed to go
well. I was thinking about sending them a letter, not a<BR>space in a
form.<BR>> As to why I want and need a dog.<BR>> Maybe I. Wasn't
clear as to why a guide would help me.<BR>> If I could just go to any school
I wouldn't care what they thought. I <BR>> can't get two weeks off
of work to get a dog, I might not have a job.<BR>><BR>>
Barb<BR>><BR>> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile
App<BR>><BR>><BR>> ------ Original Message ------<BR>><BR>> From:
Star Gazer via nagdu<BR>> To: 'Tracy Carcione', 'NAGDU Mailing List, the
National Association of <BR>> Guide Dog Users'<BR>> Sent: July 17, 2014 at
6:00 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] (no subject)<BR>><BR>> Tracy makes
some excellent points.<BR>> I also wonder Barb, if you filled out the
application inappropriately. <BR>> If it says "Can you cross streets
independently?" did you respond with <BR>> "Yes, I can do this without a
cane?" If you did, I can see why they<BR>rejected you.<BR>> That being said,
there is no excuse for the woman doing the interview <BR>> to be unprepared.
I'd not want to do business with anybody who <BR>> couldn't or wouldn't hold
up their end of the deal.<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From: nagdu <A href="mailto:[mailto:nagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org]" >[mailto:nagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org]</A>
On Behalf Of Tracy <BR>> Carcione via nagdu<BR>> Sent: Thursday, July 17,
2014 7:46 AM<BR>> To: <A href="mailto:barbandzoe@comcast.net" >barbandzoe@comcast.net</A>; NAGDU Mailing
List, the National <BR>> Association of Guide Dog Users<BR>> Subject: Re:
[nagdu] (no subject)<BR>><BR>> Hi Barb.<BR>> When I met my husband, he
didn't use a cane. I talked him into using <BR>> one when he slammed
into a pole and had to get stitches. He uses a <BR>> folding cane, as
someone else suggested, and takes it out when he <BR>> wants it, which now is
nearly all the time. Because he's using his <BR>> cane, he doesn't slam
into poles or fall down steps, which makes us <BR>> both happy. Also,
people understand why he's asking what a sign says, <BR>> or where something
is, or even looks at them kinda sideways.<BR>> He hasn't had formal training,
just me showing him what to do when he <BR>> started out. His technique
could be a lot better, but even so he's a <BR>> lot safer with his cane than
without.<BR>> Tracy<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: Barb breuer via nagdu<BR>> To: Becky
Frankeberger ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association <BR>> of Guide
Dog Users'<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:42 PM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] (no subject)<BR>><BR>><BR>> Many ask
if I use a cane, I use it but I have not had formal <BR>> training with
an O&M instructor. So when a school wants me to have an <BR>>
instructor sign that I can travel, I have to hire one.<BR>> I went to
regular public school, and I didn't have the training.<BR>> Now I would
have to talk a course or something.<BR>> Barb<BR>><BR>>
Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App<BR>><BR>> ------
Original Message ------<BR>><BR>> From: Becky
Frankeberger<BR>> To: <A href="mailto:barbandzoe@comcast.net" >barbandzoe@comcast.net</A>, 'NAGDU Mailing
List, the National <BR>> Association of Guide Dog Users'<BR>>
Sent: July 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM<BR>> Subject: RE: [nagdu]
(no subject)<BR>> Barb, my husband went from travel vision to
using a guide dog. He <BR>> absolutely loves the experience. He did later
take O and M and used a <BR>> cane, but to stride out was so wonderfully
freeing with a guide dog.<BR>> He did not have to look down and worry if he
missed a crack or step. <BR>> He looked up and is so happy working a guide
dog. Your dog will love <BR>> going with you on your job. Just make sure she
sees you when you are <BR>> away from her in the tight areas you go into.
High partials love <BR>> working guide dogs, so don't worry about anything.
As long as you are <BR>> legally blind and that is a wide range of abilities,
try it out. If <BR>> you don't like it or the extra work is too much, then
you have other <BR>> options. I remember my first dog. I thought oh I have to
get up even <BR>> earlier to catch the van to church. So I got up got dressed
fed the <BR>> dog and out we went for park time and a quick brush time. Back
in to <BR>> finished the fine points of dressing, and breakfast. I was ready
a <BR>> half hour before the van came. Boy was I shocked. So this low partial
<BR>> has<BR>enjoyed the miracle of what these dogs can do to keep us
safe.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> The miracle of you don't have
to follow any longer, that you can <BR>> lead if you choose. Right now you
don't have that choice. You said you <BR>> cross streets so I would anyway,
say your orientation is fine. Leader <BR>> has a brush up program for a week
if you need help with O and M.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I
love myth busting you have to be very low vision and all the <BR>> other
crap. The myth you have to use a cane first. No you just need to <BR>> show
you can orient yourself and move about getting where you want to <BR>>
go<BR>safely.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> The dog is extra
work, but the freedom she will give you well you <BR>> won't even think the
things you do for her is work.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Sorry I don't know why I keep saying she.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
There are so many activities at night you could go to with a guide
<BR>> dog. I would walk to the theater and see live plays. My dogs were
<BR>> always<BR>welcomed.<BR>> They would even tell me if there were going
to be loud noises or <BR>> people running up and down the aisles. Then we
would walk the several <BR>> blocks home confidently and
safely.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Anyway My husband and I
both have guide dogs.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> So you choose
your path, talk to schools, talk to us, talk to <BR>> friends in the
area.<BR>><BR>> Warmly,<BR>><BR>> Becky
and Jake<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> From: nagdu <A href="mailto:[mailto:nagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org]" >[mailto:nagdu-bounces@nfbnet.org]</A>
On Behalf Of Barb <BR>> breuer via nagdu<BR>> Sent:
Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:50 AM<BR>> To: Full Name<BR>>
Subject: [nagdu] (no subject)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
I have been doing a lot of thinking sence I started looking
into <BR>> getting I guide dog. Like do I need one, will it be a help
to me, or <BR>> can I get around well enough on my own. Plus do I have
to much vision <BR>> to<BR>qualify.<BR>> I have a good amount
of vision for a blind person. My mother went <BR>> to a school for the
blind, and didn't want her kids to go to one. She <BR>> wanted us to
learn to use the sight we had.<BR>> So now I feel like, I can do
these things, cross the street, walk <BR>> without a cane, find my
way.<BR>> I have had people I know ask why do you need a guide
dog? My <BR>> answer is because the dog would help me at night when I
don't see so <BR>> good, and in the bright sun, plus I have thick glasses and
I have <BR>> little side vision. I get a long well at work, but I clean
locker <BR>> rooms<BR>for a living and fold towels.<BR>> Not a lot
of need for dog.<BR>><BR>> I don't like going places that I
haven't been so much because I do <BR>> think about, will there be a step or
something I don't see. I walk <BR>> slower because of it and when I am
with people I walk a step behind <BR>> and watch where they step.<BR>>
So I feel like a dog would make my life easier, and having a
<BR>> companion with me would be nice.<BR>> I Am in my 50's
and do think about how walking a dog, people think <BR>> twice before
they want to jump you. But having a dog is a good way to <BR>> meet new
friends.<BR>> Sorry for it being so long, I just have a lot on
my mind.<BR>> Barb<BR>><BR>> Sent from
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