[Ncabs] more krispy kreme

Thu Oct 7 20:12:13 UTC 2010

Dear Justin and others,
Even at $6, it is a high price for someone who is on a fixed income
and trying to save for a vacation/convention for nxt year with the
little bit that is left over after bills and groceries. $6 can pay for
two meals' worth of groceries. $12 (two vouchers) would almost pay for
a month's pass for the bus system.

The only way I could see myself being able to do the pre-paid vouchers
is if someone bought them, then lent them to me and/or Mike, we sell
them, and we return the money to the person who lent them, similar to
what you were saying, Justin. Preston, would you consider doing such?
Or Dasha, maybe Amama (Lusi) would consider sponsoring me by
purchasing a few vouchers for me at a time? Once two vouchers are
purchased for me, I could sell them, then buy two more with that
money, and continue like that. The group would continue to get profit,
and I would work on just the $12 or so that is lent to me for the
purpose.

I just can't see myself being able to purchase vouchers and continue
to not have that money for other things. It's a matter of being on a
very low income. According to government designations, I am below the
poverty line, and I am struggling quite a bit. I know you guys
understand struggling from your own experiences, but these are tough
times for me and Mike, especially since Food Stamps has denied us more
than $15 per month each...$15 is not going to get nothing these days
as far as food...so we're paying grocery bills out of pocket,
$300/month. After bills and groceries, we have just enough to set
aside for next year's trip and buy Mike's monthly pass and have some
money for me to buy day passes if I want to get out of the house. I'm
not trying to rant; I'm just trying to impress no you guys that some
people simply don't have the money to buy these things. In high
school, it was the same way for me. I grew up in a family that was
just above the poverty line and we would have struggled much more if
we didn't live on a family farm, where we grew much of our vegetables
and raised chickens and goats for food, so grocery bills were low. But
when it came to the candy bar fundraisers, I was unable to participate
because my parents couldn't spare the $20 for the box. Fundraisers
like that leave out the people who live with very little money, who
would be willing and able to sell if they could just sell them first
and send the money after.

Just my thoughts,
Jewel

On 10/7/10, Salisbury, Justin Mark <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu> wrote:
> We're selling them for $6 each, not $10 each. A regular dozen at Krispy
> Kreme is about $7.50, which is why there is an incentive for people to buy
> our vouchers.
>
> I see your concern, Jewel, but what happens when we buy a bunch of vouchers,
> give them to a member, and never hear from that member again?  If we adopt
> that policy, it's guaranteed to happen at least once.  I'm not saying that
> because I don't trust particular people in our group; it's just how people
> are.  If you buy a few vouchers and sell them quickly, you'll get your money
> back quickly, too.  Perhaps you and Preston can work something out so that
> you only are only trying to sell 2 vouchers at a time or something because
> you two go to the same school and will not have to mail these babies back
> and forth.  Someone like Cindy or me cannot just meet up with Preston like
> that, but maybe we can work that out for you.
>
> Justin
>
> Justin
>
> Justin
>
> Justin M. Salisbury
> Undergraduate Student
> The University Honors Program
> East Carolina University
> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>
> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
> without accepting it."    -Aristotle
> ________________________________________
> From: ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org [ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jewel
> S. [herekittykat2 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:33 AM
> To: North Carolina Association of Blind Students List
> Subject: Re: [Ncabs] more krispy kreme
>
> If you do it by requiring the member to buy the vouchers up front to
> sell them, then I am sorry, but I won't be able to buy mroe than one
> or two at the most at a time, if I can afford to buy any up front at
> all. Every dollar I get these days go into bills, groceries, or the
> Disney/convention fund, and I can't afford anything else. Mike and I
> are struggling as it is.
>
> Buying 10 vouchers for $70 is a total imposibility for me, even though
> I know I stand a very good chance of selling them, or Mike selling
> them, just by talking to people while he is going back and forth to
> school or I am running errands. But to purchase them myself ahead of
> time? There is no way I could do that.
>
> Yes, thank you, Cindy, that makes perfect sense to me now. I think I
> was having a 'well duh' minute.
>
> On 10/7/10, Salisbury, Justin Mark <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu> wrote:
>> Right, thank you.  It's just cleaner the way I propose we try it.  I mean,
>> if we give those vouchers to a member without having the member pay up
>> front, we have to go through the tricky process of waiting until the
>> tickets
>> sell to balance our checkbook.  If there's no financial incentive to the
>> member to sell the tickets, they won't be as motivated to sell them.  This
>> is just human nature and applies to everyone.
>>
>> Justin M. Salisbury
>> Undergraduate Student
>> The University Honors Program
>> East Carolina University
>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>
>> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
>> without accepting it."    -Aristotle
>> ________________________________________
>> From: ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org [ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of
>> Cala
>> Estes [cala.estes at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:21 PM
>> To: North Carolina Association of Blind Students List
>> Subject: Re: [Ncabs] more krispy kreme
>>
>> I think that's a good idea Justin. I don't know how well other people
>> are going to like the idea of sending off money, but I think if you
>> stress that they should only buy as much as they feel they can sell,
>> it might put them more at ease.
>>
>> On 10/6/10, Salisbury, Justin Mark <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu> wrote:
>>> Please note- I made that proposal provided that the tickets work at all
>>> Krispy Kreme locations.  Not too many people in Charlotte are going to
>>> want
>>> to buy tickets that only work at a Raleigh Krispy Kreme.
>>>
>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>> Undergraduate Student
>>> The University Honors Program
>>> East Carolina University
>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>
>>> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
>>> without accepting it."    -Aristotle
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org [ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of
>>> Salisbury, Justin Mark [SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:56 PM
>>> To: North Carolina Association of Blind Students List
>>> Subject: Re: [Ncabs] more krispy kreme
>>>
>>> I certainly agree with Cindy's interpretation of the options.  My
>>> personal
>>> belief is that we're best off buying a set number of tickets up front and
>>> distributing them to members to sell.  I don't think many people are
>>> going
>>> to buy tickets from someone they don't know well if they can't get the
>>> tickets from the seller on the spot.  In other words, I think that I
>>> would
>>> only be able to sell tickets to people who know me well because others
>>> would
>>> not trust that they would ever see me again for me to give them the
>>> tickets.
>>>
>>> I think that having a station set up with actual doughnuts may be fun,
>>> but
>>> I
>>> think it would be what's called a "skinny rabbit."  We shouldn't hunt
>>> skinny
>>> rabbits because there's not a lot of meat on their bones.  Plus, I would
>>> hate for us to buy more doughnuts than we can sell that day.  I'm sure
>>> the
>>> vouchers will last longer than the doughnuts themselves, you know?  I
>>> think
>>> buying vouchers with NCABS money and mailing them to members to sell is
>>> the
>>> key.  We have to then make sure that our members actually sell them so
>>> that
>>> we can get the money back.  When I was a sighted kid selling candy bars
>>> for
>>> little league, the players all had to pay the full amount of money that
>>> they
>>> expected to receive from selling the candy bars when receiving the case
>>> of
>>> candy bars.  It gave us the incentive to actively sell the candy bars
>>> because it was the only way for us to get our money back.  I don't think
>>> any
>>> NCABS member would have a hard time selling 20 or 25 vouchers.  Would you
>>> all agree with running our fundraiser similarly to the little league ones
>>> I
>>> described?
>>>
>>> If we let members commit to selling a certain number of tickets, they
>>> will
>>> send us the money, we will send them the tickets, and they will sell the
>>> tickets.
>>>
>>> Does anybody else have ideas?
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>> Undergraduate Student
>>> The University Honors Program
>>> East Carolina University
>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>
>>> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
>>> without accepting it."    -Aristotle
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org [ncabs-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of
>>> Cindy
>>> Bennett [clb5590 at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:33 PM
>>> To: North Carolina Association of Blind Students List
>>> Subject: Re: [Ncabs] more krispy kreme
>>>
>>> I think what Preston is saying is that we can sell the tickets 2 ways.
>>> We can either purchase the tickets from Krispy Kreme and sell them, or
>>> we can take orders from people who are interested in buying a ticket,
>>> and then take that list of people to Krispy Kreme and buy a ticket for
>>> every person who has given us money. The advantage to purchasing the
>>> tickets beforehand is that once we interact with buyers, we don't have
>>> to arrange to see them again, but we also run the risk of purchasing
>>> too many tickets which would then be a cost to NCABS. The advantage to
>>> taking orders from people who want to buy a ticket is that NCABS won't
>>> buy too many tickets, but the disadvantage is that we have to talk to
>>> people multiple times, we have to take their order and collect their
>>> money, and meet up with them again to give them their actual ticket.
>>>
>>> The third option would be for NCABS to purchase actual doughnuts and sell
>>> them.
>>>
>>> I personally believe that we should set up a station and run it for a
>>> few mornings. Perhaps a place on NC State's campus would be good, but
>>> i understand sometimes campus's have rules about noncampus orgs
>>> selling stuff, so maybe we could find a place right off campus, or we
>>> could set up a station where cars would be driving out of an apartment
>>> complex in the morning, or where people would be getting on the bus. I
>>> think we should also buy tickets and give each member some that they
>>> must sell. That way, once they make the sale, we have the money, and
>>> there isn't need to meet up again.
>>>
>>> Preston, you might have answered these questions, and I'm sorry if you
>>> have, but is there an expiration date on the tickets? Also, can these
>>> tickets be redemed at any Krispy Kreme? If so, that would be awesome,
>>> because otherwise, members outside of Raleigh can't really help.
>>>
>>> Thanks, and Jewel, i hope that clears up some of your confusion. If
>>> not, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On 10/5/10, Jewel S. <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Maybe I'm just being a dunce, but that made absolutely no sense to
>>>> me...how are the three ways different? We buy tickets and sell them,
>>>> but you want to do another way to start...I don't understand what that
>>>> other way is. I think I'm just being a total dunce, so please be
>>>> patient with me!
>>>>
>>>> On 10/5/10, psjohnson2 at my.waketech.edu <psjohnson2 at my.waketech.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We can sell any of three ways. We can sell tickets for a free dozen of
>>>>> original glazed doughnuts, or we can presell with money up front, or we
>>>>> can
>>>>> presell without money. I have order forms but if we sell tickets we
>>>>> have
>>>>> to
>>>>> pay out of pocket to Krispy Kreme first. If we chooses the presell
>>>>> option
>>>>> we
>>>>> can collect at least some of the money first to minamize the risk out
>>>>> of
>>>>> our
>>>>> treasury. If we sell pver a hindred dozens our price goes down to three
>>>>> dollars a dozen, and we make three dollars a dozen proffit.
>>>>> Preston S Johnson
>>>>> psjohnson2 at my.waketech.edu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:09:20 -0400
>>>>>> From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: ncabs at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ncabs] more krispy kreme
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do individuals pre-order dozens? Do you pay for them before you sell
>>>>>> them, or how is it done? Where do we get the tickets to sell? I'm a
>>>>>> bit confused about how to get started with this. I would like to start
>>>>>> selling the vouchers for ddozen donuts, though. I think this is a
>>>>>> wonderful fundraiser and am ready to get started on it, but am just a
>>>>>> bit confused about how to get started. Can y ou explain, please,
>>>>>> Preston?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/10, psjohnson2 at my.waketech.edu <psjohnson2 at my.waketech.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have included order forms for krispy kreme fundraisers, as
>>>>>> > attachments.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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