[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Slate and Stylus
Debbie Gabe
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Wed Jun 9 23:09:34 UTC 2021
I know, some students are fixated on that. I would just tell them that they will get more confused if they insist on using that term. And they should think of dot numbers - that's the only thing that is important when slating. Just follow the numbers, where 1 2 3 are on the right. I also tell them that it took me a very long time to learn tht rule, so I am speaking from experience. I still occasionally make reversals. But they need to break the habit of saying reversal or opposite, and form a new habit of thinking 1 2 3 4 5 6. That was just a constant refrain in my class.
Good luck.
Debbiego
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Slate and Stylus
Good Afternoon,
I am in strong agreement with Debbie and Ramona. I use a slate regularly. I use it almost daily since my brailler is not working properly. Starting in about late elementary school, it was the only permanent way I had to write Braille outside of school. When I was in school, we could borrow a brailler from the resource room to write out homework and bring it back the following day o Monday if it was a weekend. The only students who had a brailler at home all of the time were those whose parents or relatives could afford to buy one. I finally got my brailler from the state rehab system after high school.
Although I try to avoid saying the word "backwards" when teaching slate writing, students usually describe it that way because that's how they see it, since it is the opposite of how one writes or types normally. Any tips on how to get across the concept so that it is not their automatic response would be helpful.
Pauline
On 6/9/21, Debbie Gabe via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ramoneon
> Love your response! I totally agree. No one would ever tell a sighted
> person to stop using their pen or pencil - ever!
> When I taught braille, I would not allow anyone to use the words
> opposite, reverse, mirror image or such when discussing the slate and
> stylus. I sharpened my own stylus because it made slating faster, but
> the dots are smaller. And you had to be careful that the point was
> evenly sharpened all around, or it would "stick", so I only taught
> that to advanced students. The only time I use a very dull stylus is when I make labels on dymo tape.
>
> Thank you for being so eloquent in your discussion.
> Debbie Gabe
> NFB of Hawaiihe
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> Hello Ramona,
>
> Happy to read your feedback. I fell in love with braille from the
> moment I started learning it last year. I agree, when you change the
> way you think about the leading edge and the numbers of the dots
> within a cell, it reduces a lot of the thinking involved which is
> really useful. I only started doing that yesterday and I already feel
> more relaxed while writing with a slate and stylus and no more oddly dotted cells that mean nothing at all.
>
> I do prefer the backup of having a slate and stylus with me for times
> when my iPhone isn't convenient. I've been lucky enough not to have a
> dead battery when I needed it but I also carry a spare battery pack
> with me everywhere. I've tried the braille screen input but I have
> yet to be able to enter anything reliably that way; still worth a try now and then.
>
> No lack of motivation here, just endurance.
>
> Take care,
> Tony
>
>
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Ramona via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> The word backwards should be obliterated from your vocabulary when
>> thinking about or using the Braille slate. You are not doing anything
>> backwards. Teachers who use that word should be retrained! You start
>> from the beginning of the line and write to the end, just as you
>> read. a and b are on the first side of the cell, etc. You start at
>> the opposite end of the line from reading and punch the dots
>> downward, but it is an obvious progression. Nobody should be
>> permitted to reverse symbols indidually ever for any purpose. It adds unnecessary stress and confusion.
>>
>> A sharp stylus can make a big difference! If the point becomes rough,
>> then find a buffer and smooth it out! The finer the file to sharpen,
>> the less rough the point will be. A nail buffer can help smooth out
>> the point if needed. I took notes on the slate throughout college,
>> and had more complete notes than most sighted people. I participated
>> in transcribing a Russian-English dictionary on the board slate since
>> most of us did not have Braille writers, and it was before computers.
>>
>> I do not use the slate as much as I used to, but would not be without
>> it, because of portability. I find it much faster than entering data
>> on my i-phone! And it never loses charge or power! Yes, you can
>> function without a slate and stylus, but why punish blind people by
>> depriving them of a valuable tool. They are not less intelligent or
>> less deterous than fifty or more years ago. I taught myself to write
>> with the slate and stylus because I was bored one summer when I was a
>> kid. The plastic slate is cheap. Any blind person can have one free
>> from the NFB. I can tell you many stories about people who have
>> become very proficient with the slate and stylus, so find your
>> motivation and just do it! I am glad to offer moral support or other
>> suggestions if wanted, but motivation is the most essential
>> ingredient! If you think this is one of my soapboxes, you are right!
>>
>> RamonaOn Jun 8, 2021 6:47 PM, Ellen Ringlein via
>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sharpening the stylus is one of those things that not everyone
>>> agrees with. I personally would rather have a stylus that already
>>> has a good point. It is easy to screw up a stylus with improper
>>> sharpening, which then can tare paper and consequently slow you down
>>> when Brailling. Not all styluses are equal in terms of how narrowly the point is constructed.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> Ellen
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>>>
>>> Thank you James!
>>>
>>> Won't sharpening the stylus point end up making more holes than
>>> indentations?
>>>
>>> I do like the prospect of having a small slate and stylus in my
>>> pocket wherever I go. You never know when it will come in handy.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:10 PM, James K <jakon22 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jakon22 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hello, I love the slate and use it daily! the thoughts presented
>>>> about using the dot number order of letters and symbols will help
>>>> reduce confusion when writing. also, sharpening the stylus point
>>>> can make for easier writing and less hand strain. use a whetstone
>>>> or fine gri't sandpaper and just rotate the point of the stylus
>>>> while sharpening. good luck and you'll find the slate a handy
>>>> device. just like the blind person's pencil.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 5:48 PM, kg 6sxy (kg6sxy) via
>>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> <mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
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>>>>> Hello Don,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is great advice. I've been thinking in terms of dot numbers
>>>>> for a while but not thinking in terms of the closest line to the
>>>>> direction I'm working, left to right for reading and right to left for writing.
>>>>> Looking forward to seeing the difference it makes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Donald Winiecki via
>>>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> <mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> <mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While others will have valuable things to say about your
>>>>>> experiences with neuropathy and how you could cope, I will
>>>>>> encourage you to try your best to avoid thinking that the slate
>>>>>> and stylus requires you to think the braille is backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead, focus on the numbers of the braille dots in a symbol.
>>>>>> When you're reading, the dots are numbered top to bottom starting
>>>>>> with the column closest to the front of the line. When you're
>>>>>> using the slate and stylus, the dot numbers are exactly the same,
>>>>>> and numbered from top to bottom starting with the column closest
>>>>>> to the front of the line. In doing so you're keeping your focus
>>>>>> on the dot numbers and your bearing to the front of the line.
>>>>>> It's only a shift in where the front of the line is placed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can say from experience that once you get used to thinking in
>>>>>> terms of dot numbers and the front of the line, it gets much
>>>>>> easier to develop proficiency with the slate and stylus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _don [image: ]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:21 PM kg 6sxy (kg6sxy) via
>>>>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion < nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just joined this list today and didn't a little looking
>>>>>>> through the archives but didn't see anything in the past few
>>>>>>> months about slate and stylus use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone still use a slate and stylus that has found a
>>>>>>> comfortable stylus to use with arthritis or neuropathy? I'm
>>>>>>> working on getting my brain to properly flip braille for a slate
>>>>>>> but I find that the couple of styluses I have are hard to use
>>>>>>> after a line or two.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>> Tony
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