[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Slate and Stylus

Ramona walhoframona at gmail.com
Sat Jun 12 19:17:10 UTC 2021


Alison, I would love to teach your girls! I would not  say I know all there is to know, but I have taught a lot of people, kids and adults, to read and write Braille. There are people teaching online with good success. I would recommend you contact Karlton Walker for raecommendations of teachers. Denise Robinson heads up one group, but there are others. The school will think they are expensive, but if they cannot find a competent Braille teacher, we can help you put pressure on the school system. The kids need to begin young is they are partially sighted, or they will resist learning at all. Good luck. Let me know if I can help further. If I happen to be in Phoenix, I will let you know, but it would only be for a short time. 

RamonaOn Jun 10, 2021 11:29 AM, Allison Hilliker via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Ramona, please come to Phoenix and teach my kids. They learn best from anyone who's not mom. And you sound very passionate about the subject.  All the competent braille readers I know locally are already employed. So I'm left to either teach them myself, or let the public school TVIs teach them, and we already know how well braille instruction in public school goes. I didn't really understand your explanation of how to explain the slate cell setup differently, but I believe you. I'm sure you're right about it. I'm just over here doing the best I can with little support.  Honestly, truly braille positive folks are rare, and spread thinly throughout this country. I'm finding that I can't even pay somebody to teach my girls reading and writing in braille, and that's sad. Cuz I know full well how crucial quality literacy instruction is for young blind kids. So I'm attempting to do it myself, but nothing mom knows or does is interesting to my girls. Plus, I don't have all the answers. Far from it. I would give my left arm to have a braille positive NFB sort nearby to teach my girls. I even have funding to hire somebody, just no interest. I've networked via my state affiliate, and there's just nothing. So I'm doing what I can on my own. 
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> Best, 
> Allison 
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> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Slate and Stylus 
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> That's why teacher training should stress first and second sides of the cell. They get fixated on left and right and reversal which gets passed on to the students. Some students become fast on the slate, and the problem gets eliminated. Some do not, just as many teachers do not. It is a project that needs attention. Maybe this is the best we can do, I would love to get  involved in some college training for teachers of blind kids and adults. It just makes writing with the slate and stylus seem difficult when it is not. Yes you need a certain set of muscles, but you need that for writing with a pen or pencil. It comes with practice. It also leads to people thinking the computer will take care of this "difficulty." Recordings were going to replace Braille; now it's computers. If people like Curtis Chong and Steve Jacobsen use the slate, then let's not deprive our kids of it. 
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> RamonaOn Jun 9, 2021 6:11 PM, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
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> > Ramona 
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> > Oh I knew 1-2-3 was the first set of dots on the first side, and I knew 4-5-6 was on the other side.  It’s just, as I tried to say, I always thought of 1-2-3 ONLY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CELL when you’re looking at the slate.  I never thought of assigning 1-2-3 to the right hand side of the cell.  That’s because my teacher told me at the start … 1-2-3 is on the left.  And 4-5-6 is on the right.  Since she never said anything else, I never thought any differently.  So when I had to write an F I had to mentally translate ….. “1-2-4 is dots 4-5-1 when writing”.  And when your mind is doing that, you have to do that for EVERY SYMBOL YOU WRITE.  I never thought of changing the dot number assignments for writing and just think 1-2-4.  That might have made it easier, and it probably would have made me a faster writer since having to mentally translate adds a half second (or something like that) to almost every character you write.  Thinking about it “being in reverse” was just natural for me.  Had I been told to change dot number assignments, it might have made it easier because as Allison said, I had to think … “what’s the reverse pattern” … for almost every symbol written. 
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> > 1-2-3 is always the first side of the cell. it is really that simple. I'm sorry teachers do not receive that information before they ever meet a student. 
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> > RamonaOn Jun 9, 2021 4:00 PM, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
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> > > I’d like to weigh in here on “writing backwards”.  I’m a partially sighted person who found Braille in my early 50’s.  I’m 65 and I still use it.  I go back and forth with print and Braille.  It’s great having both skills and I can use Braille when I know print just isn’t going to work.  I wish I had known Braille LOT EARLIER … but it just didn’t happen.  Personally, I think every partially sighted student should learn Braille.  Then they can use whichever method will work for them in a given situation.  Of course that’s not what this topic is about and I won’t go further.  That’s another topic if we want to pursue it. 
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> > > Now, onto “writing backwards” on the slate and stylus. 
> > > 
> > > When I learned Braille and learned to write with a slate and stylus, I ALWAYS thought that writing was OPPOSITE or BACKWARDS to how you read it.  You write it right to left rather than when you’re reading it.  You had to use the “opposite dot pattern” when writing a character in the cell.  That’s backwards in my thinking.  A “B” for example is written in dots 4,5 on the right side of the cell rather than 1,2 on the left side of the cell (that assumes you are still thinking about the cell dots in the configuration used for reading).  And I always did this.  My teacher NEVER told me to think of dots 1 and 2 on the right side of the cell when writing.  I knew a B was dots 1,2.  I knew dots 1,2 were on the left (for reading).  Since I had to write them on the right hand side of the cell, I thought it was BACKWARDS.  You had to use 4-5 to write a B which should up as dots 1-2 when you read it.  I remember my teacher liked to say “mirror image”.  Had she told me that I should consider 1,2 on the right hand side of the cell for writing and 4-5-6 was on the left, maybe I wouldn’t have thought it was backwards.  I would have thought .. OK … 1-2-3 are on the left for reading, but they’re on the right side for writing.  Since she didn’t make that distinction, I saw that the dots had to be in the opposite position to that for reading so that when you flipped the page over, they’d be correct for reading.  So I just thought .. punch the opposite dots in the cell when writing a character.  My realization may have reinforced the idea of opposite.  That’s just how I perceived the process.  I remember once I mentioned to her that I was writing the characters BACKWARDS.  I was immediately told I was wrong and “we don’t use the word backwards, it’s too confusing”.  Personally I didn’t see it as confusing.  I just saw that this was what you had to do.  And I do remember that I made my fair share of errors when writing.  Perhaps that would have been less had I just considered things differently for writing. 
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> > > Anyway that’s how I learned.  It just seemed natural to think about writing “the opposite pattern” to get it come out right for reading. 
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> > > Please feel free to comment. 
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> > > I wonder if opposite would be a better word? You read from 
> > > left-to-right and write from right-to-left.  They are both the opposite of the other one. 
> > > 
> > > My father, who was born over a hundred years ago, could write print 
> > > backwards almost as easily as forwards.  I got the impression that 
> > > was something a lot of sighted people used to do. It kept other 
> > > people from looking over their shoulder and reading what they were 
> > > writing with a quick glance.  This could be helpful if they were 
> > > writing something private like a note to pass to a friend in school.  
> > > Of course the main point of this story is that all it requires is motivation and practice. 
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