[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases

[Jody ianuzzi]

Oh I agree, I have met some excellent TVs also! As a matter fact my best friend that lives in my town was an excellent TV I when she was working. She will be the first to tell you that it takes the initiative of the teacher to become really good at braille.

JODY

To Boldly Go  🖖🏻 


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"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer

> On Mar 17, 2023, at 9:36 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Jody,
> 
> I'm not sure it's "like" that at all. That seems to be exactly what it
> is. Granted, I've met some amazing TVI's in my day, but they're
> amazing because they, themselves, are incredible educators, not
> because of their education programs.
> 
> Sanho
> 
>> On 3/17/23, Jody ianuzzi via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Mike,
>> 
>> I had exactly the same experience that you had in public school.  When I was
>> growing up in the 1960s 52% of blind kids learn braille, now it’s down to
>> 8%. The excuse is that there are more multi handicap children but I think
>> there is still too much reliance on magnification and Technology as a
>> substitute for learning to read braille.
>> 
>> I think we should all be advocates for Low Low vision kids learning braille
>> 
>> The attitude among many educators is a Braille is outdated and technology
>> has taken its place. Nothing could be further from the truth! I also think
>> that it’s a real shame that you can become a teacher is visually impaired
>> and not be proficient in braille! That’s like being a public school teacher
>> and not knowing how to read.
>> 
>> JODY
>> 
>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>> 
>> 
>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>> 
>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik
>> Weihenmayer
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Debbie Gabe
>>> 
>>> I read your email with great interest.  I’m 66 years old.  I’ve been
>>> legally blind my entire life.  Due to the educational system I went
>>> through, I was taught to read print since I could see (although I’m
>>> severely nearsighted and my vision makes me a slow reader).  I did not
>>> have the opportunity to learn Braille in my early years.  Being a
>>> partially sighted person, the answer was always “make it bigger with
>>> magnification”, “get a stronger pair of glasses”, and so on.  This was the
>>> mentality of the sighted community because sight was what they understood.
>>> And so I lived my life, until around age 50, after trying these methods
>>> over and over, that I realized that there was a limit to how well I could
>>> read if I used my vision.  It dawned on me that if I was ever going to
>>> overcome my reading deficiency, I had to find a method that didn’t use my
>>> eyesight.  What an epiphany that was!!
>>> 
>>> Enter Braille.
>>> 
>>> I started learning Braille at age 50.  It was definitely an “eye-opener”,
>>> because it did exactly what I realized an alternate method would have to
>>> do.  It bypassed the vision and removed the barrier that bad vision
>>> imposes.  I was hopeful that Braille would allow me to improve my reading
>>> speed.  I’ve been on that quest since then, and as I say, I’m now 66.
>>> Unfortunately, I haven’t achieved a reading speed I would like to have
>>> (say 150 words per minute), but it’s not for a lack of trying.  Perhaps as
>>> you say … when you’re older and starting out, you may not achieve speeds
>>> that a younger person will achieve when they start reading at age 6.  I
>>> think this is similar to playing the piano which I started seriously
>>> studying at age 60.  It’s a lot easier to soak it up when you’re younger,
>>> but that’s another topic that could spawn a different conversation, so
>>> I’ll stop there.
>>> 
>>> These days I read Braille primarily with a Braille display.  You mention
>>> that you need to read hardcopy Braille, but I find the supply is limited.
>>> The NLS has made the decision that 85 percent of its reading material will
>>> be in audible format, and the other 15 percent will either be in
>>> electronic braille format or hardcopy braille.  That leaves us readers who
>>> are interested in Braille out in the cold.  Bookshare is of course another
>>> option.
>>> 
>>> In summary, I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn braille at a
>>> younger age, but that’s water under the bridge at this point.  All I can
>>> do is read as much as I can.  But I still stand behind my conviction that
>>> to improve reading for a partially sighted person (and certainly for a
>>> totally blind person), braille is the answer, and the sooner you embrace
>>> it and the more you use it, the better off you’ll be.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for posting your email.  It was interesting reading.
>>> 
>>> Mike Jolls
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> From: Debbie Gabe via
>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:28 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion
>>> List'<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Debbie Gabe<mailto:dgabe808 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I came into this conversation late. I'm not sure how old you are.
>>> I learned braille when I was 55 years old. I practiced every chance I got.
>>> I took my braille book to appointments where I thought I might have to
>>> wait. I read in my husband's care, on the bus, during TV commercials in
>>> the evening, anytime I had a few minutes to spare. Now at 72 years old, I
>>> still have not yet broken 100 words a minute, but I am always in the
>>> middle of at least 2 braille novels. I make labels for everything in
>>> braille. I write notes to myself. For several years, before I finally
>>> retired, I taught braille.
>>> 
>>> If you are ""older", then you might not end up reading as fast as someone
>>> who learns braille at a younger age, but you can still make it useful and
>>> enjoyable.
>>> 
>>> But you do have to practice every single day as much as you can. If I go a
>>> couple days without reading braille, I notice my reading speed is so much
>>> slower, it frustrates me.
>>> 
>>> And you need to use good reading technique, Read with both hands, all 8
>>> fingers on the line of braille. Don't red with the fingertips, but  more
>>> between the tips and the pads of the fingers.
>>> And you will increase your speed faster if you read hard copy books rather
>>> than electronic braille displays where there is only a single line at a
>>> time.
>>> And keep your touch light, don't "scrub", etc. I'm sure you've heard all
>>> those things.
>>> 
>>> Lastly, Jerry Whittle, used to teach braille for over 30 years to adults
>>> at the Louisiana Center for the blind. He wrote a bunch of articles that
>>> were published in magazines from the NFB: the Braille Monitor, etc. Do a
>>> google search for him. He died a while ago, but his articles are still out
>>> there. He has several on increasing reading speed.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> And if you are free on the 4th Saturdays of each month, the NFB of Hawaii
>>> holds a zoom meeting called All About Braille. I am the host. We discuss
>>> anything and everything about braille, , including increasing reading
>>> speed. If interested, email me personally at debbiegabe at live.com and I
>>> will send you the zoom link. It takes place at 10 am Hawaii time (1 pm
>>> west coast time, and 4 pm eastern time).
>>> 
>>> Best.
>>> Debbie Gabe
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>> On Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:05 AM
>>> To: Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>> 
>>> Reading every day as much as possible is essential. You are not going to
>>> give up other forms of reading; you cannot get everything in Braille,
>>> anyway. Find a magazine you enjoy in Braille, some books, some business
>>> reports—you pick. Two experiences worth sharing: 1. A Braille student came
>>> to me for a recipe and took it down using her slate and stylus. She said:
>>> I am going to college and want my noses in Braille, but I am too slow. I
>>> answered: Make yourself write them with the slate and stylus. Most
>>> freshmen do not have notetaking mastered, and you can share your notes
>>> with others, so do the best you can and see how fast you improve. At
>>> Christmas break she came back for another recipe and wrote it on the slate
>>> like a pro. I said: Carolyn, you did it! She barely knew what I was
>>> talking about, but she had taken notes with the slate and stylusin in all
>>> of her classes for one semester and truly had no more concerns about
>>> speed. Second example: We had a student with a phD who was losing vision
>>> so was a fast reader in print. She was determined to build speed in
>>> Braille. She took two hours of braille during the day and read two more
>>> hours each evening 7 days a week. It took her about 3 weeks to cover the
>>> entire Braille code, and then she began reading whatever she wished. At
>>> the end of six months she took a timed reading test and read 150 words per
>>> minute. She said the effort was worth the results. That was the right time
>>> for her to do it. Students who learn as children keep up their speed
>>> pretty easily. If the speed has increased as an adult, you need to keep on
>>> reading regularly to maintain it.
>>> suggestions on technique: pet the Braille lightly and keep your fingers
>>> moving to the right, so you are getting part from context, but do not go
>>> back and worry about single words, so your muscle memory is being
>>> developped. 2. Get identical texts of Braille and recorded material. Set
>>> the player just a little faster than you can read the Braille and make
>>> yourself keep up. 3. If you did not get the sense from context, read the
>>> entire page again, keeping up your speed, three or four times if
>>> necessary. It will come! Mabel Nading and I did lots of testing of speed
>>> building at the Iowa Commission for the Blind in the 1970's. Some of our
>>> students taught us a lot by their success. Determination and discipline
>>> make a huge difference. I think some of this stuff is in the Braille
>>> Monitor somewhere.
>>> Best,
>>> Ramona
>>>> On Mar 15, 2023 1:09 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sahar,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you. Agreed on all counts. I really want to move to reading
>>>> everything in braille as long as it isn't time-sensitive, but I've
>>>> been using my screen-reader at 850 words a minute for almost twenty
>>>> years. Going back to 40 or 60WPM is incredibly difficult--especially
>>>> given the neurological fatigue that comes with.
>>>> 
>>>> Sanho
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/15/23, Sahar Husseini via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Practice really is key. I used to tell my students. Sighted people
>>>>> see print everywhere. It is literally on everything. You have to
>>>>> read braille every day. Some people tell me that's hard to do, but
>>>>> that really is what it takes. I never understood how kids took
>>>>> braille class for one day a week. I was lucky that everything in
>>>>> school was in braille. For me to get faster, I had to read
>>>>> everything in braille. Of course, now, I am 110 years old, so I
>>>>> don't know that kids get everything in braille these days. It's sad
>>>>> how much focus is on audio. Some of us don't comprehend as well on
>>>>> audio. Ok, I'm not quite 110, lol.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David
>>>>> Andrews via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:26 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not an expert in Braille learning -- however, I remember some
>>>>> articles in the Braille Monitor in the 90's about adults learning
>>>>> Braille and increasing their speed.  I think the recommendations are
>>>>> generally that you need to read each and every day, for an hour if
>>>>> possible. I remember one person saying it took them two years to build
>>>>> up their speed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not trying to discourage you, but if you go weeks or months
>>>>> without reading Braille, you won't get faster.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:56 AM
>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now, approximately zero minutes a day on average. I have weeks
>>>>> where I read 10 pages a day and months where I don't touch braille
>>>>> at all. I definitely need to build consistency there. I'm currently
>>>>> reading at about 60WPM. Enough to enjoy and understand what I'm
>>>>> reading, but nowhere near what I read when I was sighted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/15/23, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Do you know anyone who can watch you as you read and make suggestions?
>>>>>> Many people have increased reading speed. How much time do you
>>>>>> spend reading each day?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:13 AM
>>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks. I'm compiling the list now in text and braille for people
>>>>>> to use as they wish.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To clarify, I'm not looking for techniques. I'm looking for how
>>>>>> long it takes to increase speed and by what amount we can do so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/15/23, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I have been working on increasing Braille reading speed as well …
>>>>>>> here are my tips
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don’t scrub
>>>>>>> Light touch
>>>>>>> Read things that don’t have words that are too difficult at first
>>>>>>> All fingers on the Braille as you read.
>>>>>>> Both hands start the line and move together across the line  –
>>>>>>> but right eventually separates from left and finishes while left
>>>>>>> goes to next line ready to read (this means there’s no time lost
>>>>>>> between right hand finishing and next line starting to be read)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hmmm … practicing the frequently read words … I’d be interested in
>>>>>>> getting a list of those myself.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Another tip, make sure you practice reading every day.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And here are a couple of more things (if you’re reading on a
>>>>>>> braille display with a screen reader such as Jaws) Put the braille
>>>>>>> display in “auto advance” mode and read a document.  The screen
>>>>>>> reader will automatically advance to the next line and refresh the
>>>>>>> display with the next line of text.  This will force you to keep up.
>>>>>>> You may need to set the auto advance speed so it’s slow enough at
>>>>>>> first so you can keep up with it.  Then as you get better, set it
>>>>>>> a bit faster.  It’s like taking a shorthand class where the
>>>>>>> teacher keeps making you go faster.
>>>>>>> You do get faster as time goes on.  I’m still working on this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Second tip for the braille display.  In your screen reader
>>>>>>> software, set the left and right panning buttons so that forward
>>>>>>> panning is the LEFT button, not the right button.  By default (at
>>>>>>> least in Jaws), Jaws has assigned the forward pan function to the
>>>>>>> right panning button on the display.  But this means that you have
>>>>>>> to move your hand to the right side of the display in order to
>>>>>>> pan.  And when you’re on a short line, it takes a second or two to
>>>>>>> do that.  Result is that you lose a couple of seconds every time
>>>>>>> you have to move your hand to the right side of the display.  By
>>>>>>> switching the forward pan function to the left button, you don’t
>>>>>>> have to move your right hand to the end of the display to press
>>>>>>> the pan forward button.  Your left hand is always there on the
>>>>>>> left button, so it takes less time to pan forward.  This will save
>>>>>>> a little time (every bit helps) but the majority of your time savings
>>>>>>> will be in the tips before this one.
>>>>>>> This one will take a bit of getting used to, but I have it from
>>>>>>> another blind user that this is the way to go.  Saving the second
>>>>>>> or two on each line seems to make sense, so give it a try.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hope I’ve explained this adequately and good luck.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Incidentally, for those in the NFB group, any comments are welcome
>>>>>>> regarding what I’ve said.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:15 AM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion
>>>>>>> List<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there any kind of a science to when and by how much significant
>>>>>>> reading gains will happen? I'm currently reading braille at about
>>>>>>> a fifth the speed I want to. I'll practice as much as I need to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>> Sanho
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