[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases

Sat Mar 18 16:18:36 UTC 2023

Oh having an eye vision to get in trouble is definitely a negative entire at times. When I was in college the totally blind students had the skills they needed to succeed and I didn’t Space have those skills!

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> On Mar 18, 2023, at 1:05 AM, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The message all legally blind people receive is that the more vision you
> have the higher you are on the acceptance by sighted people ladder. That has
> always been the case and will continue for the foreseeable future. I have
> come to the conclusion that people with some useable vision get the worst of
> both worlds when they should get the best of both worlds. You should have
> been encouraged to use your vision when it was helpful but taught those
> nonvisual skills because those are the ones you can always rely upon. I
> strongly encourage you to share your blindness journey with all families you
> meet. Your story can be impactful to parents of children who are legally
> blind but have usable vision. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On
> Behalf Of Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 8:56 AM
> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
> 
> Debbie Gabe
> 
> I read your email with great interest.  I'm 66 years old.  I've been legally
> blind my entire life.  Due to the educational system I went through, I was
> taught to read print since I could see (although I'm severely nearsighted
> and my vision makes me a slow reader).  I did not have the opportunity to
> learn Braille in my early years.  Being a partially sighted person, the
> answer was always "make it bigger with magnification", "get a stronger pair
> of glasses", and so on.  This was the mentality of the sighted community
> because sight was what they understood.  And so I lived my life, until
> around age 50, after trying these methods over and over, that I realized
> that there was a limit to how well I could read if I used my vision.  It
> dawned on me that if I was ever going to overcome my reading deficiency, I
> had to find a method that didn't use my eyesight.  What an epiphany that
> was!!
> 
> Enter Braille.
> 
> I started learning Braille at age 50.  It was definitely an "eye-opener",
> because it did exactly what I realized an alternate method would have to do.
> It bypassed the vision and removed the barrier that bad vision imposes.  I
> was hopeful that Braille would allow me to improve my reading speed.  I've
> been on that quest since then, and as I say, I'm now 66.  Unfortunately, I
> haven't achieved a reading speed I would like to have (say 150 words per
> minute), but it's not for a lack of trying.  Perhaps as you say . when
> you're older and starting out, you may not achieve speeds that a younger
> person will achieve when they start reading at age 6.  I think this is
> similar to playing the piano which I started seriously studying at age 60.
> It's a lot easier to soak it up when you're younger, but that's another
> topic that could spawn a different conversation, so I'll stop there.
> 
> These days I read Braille primarily with a Braille display.  You mention
> that you need to read hardcopy Braille, but I find the supply is limited.
> The NLS has made the decision that 85 percent of its reading material will
> be in audible format, and the other 15 percent will either be in electronic
> braille format or hardcopy braille.  That leaves us readers who are
> interested in Braille out in the cold.  Bookshare is of course another
> option.
> 
> In summary, I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn braille at a
> younger age, but that's water under the bridge at this point.  All I can do
> is read as much as I can.  But I still stand behind my conviction that to
> improve reading for a partially sighted person (and certainly for a totally
> blind person), braille is the answer, and the sooner you embrace it and the
> more you use it, the better off you'll be.
> 
> Thanks for posting your email.  It was interesting reading.
> 
> Mike Jolls
> 
> 
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> From: Debbie Gabe via
> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:28 AM
> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Debbie Gabe<mailto:dgabe808 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
> 
> Hi,
> I came into this conversation late. I'm not sure how old you are.
> I learned braille when I was 55 years old. I practiced every chance I got. I
> took my braille book to appointments where I thought I might have to wait. I
> read in my husband's care, on the bus, during TV commercials in the evening,
> anytime I had a few minutes to spare. Now at 72 years old, I still have not
> yet broken 100 words a minute, but I am always in the middle of at least 2
> braille novels. I make labels for everything in braille. I write notes to
> myself. For several years, before I finally retired, I taught braille.
> 
> If you are ""older", then you might not end up reading as fast as someone
> who learns braille at a younger age, but you can still make it useful and
> enjoyable.
> 
> But you do have to practice every single day as much as you can. If I go a
> couple days without reading braille, I notice my reading speed is so much
> slower, it frustrates me.
> 
> And you need to use good reading technique, Read with both hands, all 8
> fingers on the line of braille. Don't red with the fingertips, but  more
> between the tips and the pads of the fingers.
> And you will increase your speed faster if you read hard copy books rather
> than electronic braille displays where there is only a single line at a
> time.
> And keep your touch light, don't "scrub", etc. I'm sure you've heard all
> those things.
> 
> Lastly, Jerry Whittle, used to teach braille for over 30 years to adults at
> the Louisiana Center for the blind. He wrote a bunch of articles that were
> published in magazines from the NFB: the Braille Monitor, etc. Do a google
> search for him. He died a while ago, but his articles are still out there.
> He has several on increasing reading speed.
> 
> Good luck.
> And if you are free on the 4th Saturdays of each month, the NFB of Hawaii
> holds a zoom meeting called All About Braille. I am the host. We discuss
> anything and everything about braille, , including increasing reading speed.
> If interested, email me personally at debbiegabe at live.com and I will send
> you the zoom link. It takes place at 10 am Hawaii time (1 pm west coast
> time, and 4 pm eastern time).
> 
> Best.
> Debbie Gabe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On
> Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:05 AM
> To: Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
> 
> Reading every day as much as possible is essential. You are not going to
> give up other forms of reading; you cannot get everything in Braille,
> anyway. Find a magazine you enjoy in Braille, some books, some business
> reports-you pick. Two experiences worth sharing: 1. A Braille student came
> to me for a recipe and took it down using her slate and stylus. She said: I
> am going to college and want my noses in Braille, but I am too slow. I
> answered: Make yourself write them with the slate and stylus. Most freshmen
> do not have notetaking mastered, and you can share your notes with others,
> so do the best you can and see how fast you improve. At Christmas break she
> came back for another recipe and wrote it on the slate like a pro. I said:
> Carolyn, you did it! She barely knew what I was talking about, but she had
> taken notes with the slate and stylusin in all of her classes for one
> semester and truly had no more concerns about speed. Second example: We had
> a student with a phD who was losing vision so was a fast reader in print.
> She was determined to build speed in Braille. She took two hours of braille
> during the day and read two more hours each evening 7 days a week. It took
> her about 3 weeks to cover the entire Braille code, and then she began
> reading whatever she wished. At the end of six months she took a timed
> reading test and read 150 words per minute. She said the effort was worth
> the results. That was the right time for her to do it. Students who learn as
> children keep up their speed pretty easily. If the speed has increased as an
> adult, you need to keep on reading regularly to maintain it.
> suggestions on technique: pet the Braille lightly and keep your fingers
> moving to the right, so you are getting part from context, but do not go
> back and worry about single words, so your muscle memory is being
> developped. 2. Get identical texts of Braille and recorded material. Set the
> player just a little faster than you can read the Braille and make yourself
> keep up. 3. If you did not get the sense from context, read the entire page
> again, keeping up your speed, three or four times if necessary. It will
> come! Mabel Nading and I did lots of testing of speed building at the Iowa
> Commission for the Blind in the 1970's. Some of our students taught us a lot
> by their success. Determination and discipline make a huge difference. I
> think some of this stuff is in the Braille Monitor somewhere.
> Best,
> Ramona
>> On Mar 15, 2023 1:09 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Sahar,
>> 
>> Thank you. Agreed on all counts. I really want to move to reading 
>> everything in braille as long as it isn't time-sensitive, but I've 
>> been using my screen-reader at 850 words a minute for almost twenty 
>> years. Going back to 40 or 60WPM is incredibly difficult--especially 
>> given the neurological fatigue that comes with.
>> 
>> Sanho
>> 
>>> On 3/15/23, Sahar Husseini via NFB-Braille-Discussion 
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Practice really is key. I used to tell my students. Sighted people 
>>> see print everywhere. It is literally on everything. You have to 
>>> read braille every day. Some people tell me that's hard to do, but 
>>> that really is what it takes. I never understood how kids took 
>>> braille class for one day a week. I was lucky that everything in 
>>> school was in braille. For me to get faster, I had to read 
>>> everything in braille. Of course, now, I am 110 years old, so I 
>>> don't know that kids get everything in braille these days. It's sad 
>>> how much focus is on audio. Some of us don't comprehend as well on
> audio. Ok, I'm not quite 110, lol.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Sahar Husseini
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David 
>>> Andrews via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:26 PM
>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>> 
>>> I am not an expert in Braille learning -- however, I remember some 
>>> articles in the Braille Monitor in the 90's about adults learning 
>>> Braille and increasing their speed.  I think the recommendations are 
>>> generally that you need to read each and every day, for an hour if 
>>> possible. I remember one person saying it took them two years to build
> up their speed.
>>> 
>>> I am not trying to discourage you, but if you go weeks or months 
>>> without reading Braille, you won't get faster.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho 
>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:56 AM
>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>> 
>>> Right now, approximately zero minutes a day on average. I have weeks 
>>> where I read 10 pages a day and months where I don't touch braille 
>>> at all. I definitely need to build consistency there. I'm currently 
>>> reading at about 60WPM. Enough to enjoy and understand what I'm 
>>> reading, but nowhere near what I read when I was sighted.
>>> 
>>> On 3/15/23, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion 
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Do you know anyone who can watch you as you read and make suggestions?
>>>> Many people have increased reading speed. How much time do you 
>>>> spend reading each day?
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho 
>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:13 AM
>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>> 
>>>> Mike,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks. I'm compiling the list now in text and braille for people 
>>>> to use as they wish.
>>>> 
>>>> To clarify, I'm not looking for techniques. I'm looking for how 
>>>> long it takes to increase speed and by what amount we can do so.
>>>> 
>>>> Warmth,
>>>> Sanho
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/15/23, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion 
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> I have been working on increasing Braille reading speed as well . 
>>>>> here are my tips
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't scrub
>>>>> Light touch
>>>>> Read things that don't have words that are too difficult at first 
>>>>> All fingers on the Braille as you read.
>>>>> Both hands start the line and move together across the line  - but 
>>>>> right eventually separates from left and finishes while left goes 
>>>>> to next line ready to read (this means there's no time lost 
>>>>> between right hand finishing and next line starting to be read)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmmm . practicing the frequently read words . I'd be interested in 
>>>>> getting a list of those myself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another tip, make sure you practice reading every day.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And here are a couple of more things (if you're reading on a 
>>>>> braille display with a screen reader such as Jaws) Put the braille 
>>>>> display in "auto advance" mode and read a document.  The screen 
>>>>> reader will automatically advance to the next line and refresh the 
>>>>> display with the next line of text.  This will force you to keep up.
>>>>> You may need to set the auto advance speed so it's slow enough at 
>>>>> first so you can keep up with it.  Then as you get better, set it 
>>>>> a bit faster.  It's like taking a shorthand class where the 
>>>>> teacher keeps making you go faster.
>>>>> You do get faster as time goes on.  I'm still working on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Second tip for the braille display.  In your screen reader 
>>>>> software, set the left and right panning buttons so that forward 
>>>>> panning is the LEFT button, not the right button.  By default (at 
>>>>> least in Jaws), Jaws has assigned the forward pan function to the 
>>>>> right panning button on the display.  But this means that you have 
>>>>> to move your hand to the right side of the display in order to 
>>>>> pan.  And when you're on a short line, it takes a second or two to 
>>>>> do that.  Result is that you lose a couple of seconds every time 
>>>>> you have to move your hand to the right side of the display.  By 
>>>>> switching the forward pan function to the left button, you don't 
>>>>> have to move your right hand to the end of the display to press 
>>>>> the pan forward button.  Your left hand is always there on the 
>>>>> left button, so it takes less time to pan forward.  This will save 
>>>>> a little time (every bit helps) but the majority of your time savings
> will be in the tips before this one.
>>>>> This one will take a bit of getting used to, but I have it from 
>>>>> another blind user that this is the way to go.  Saving the second 
>>>>> or two on each line seems to make sense, so give it a try.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope I've explained this adequately and good luck.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Incidentally, for those in the NFB group, any comments are welcome 
>>>>> regarding what I've said.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:15 AM
>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion
>>>>> List<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there any kind of a science to when and by how much significant 
>>>>> reading gains will happen? I'm currently reading braille at about 
>>>>> a fifth the speed I want to. I'll practice as much as I need to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>> Sanho
>>>>> --
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