[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases

Sat Mar 18 18:44:19 UTC 2023

As a teacher, it was appalling how often I heard TVI's say things
like, "The average braille reader reads at 104 words a minute, so we
stop teaching at 110."

Great. So blind kids should be perpetual third graders. Got it.

Sanho

On 3/18/23, Debbie Gabe via NFB-Braille-Discussion
<nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> But most sighted people, including teachers, still think blind people aren't
> going to do anything, like get a job. They have very low expectations of
> their blind students.
>
> What is shameful is that many sighted teachers of the blind are taught
> braille in college using sight. They are not taught to read braille as blind
> people do. They have no idea how fast blind braille readers read and what
> techniques they use for the faster reading speds. They only know how sighted
> people  read braille with their eyes. That's why too often blind kids who do
> know braille read it with one finger and read very slow, and cannot read
> hard copy braille because they get lost on the page when tracking lines.
>
> A lot of our teachers get their training at a college in Portland. The woman
> who teaches braille is blind herself. But students use a print book and
> never feel braille and don't learn how blind people read it.  I guess that
> instructor has low expectations of her sighted graduate students also.
>
> So the teachers teach the kids braille uncontracted and then contractions
> and they help them with spelling and vocabulary in condjunction with the
> regular ed teachers. But when the kids know braille and how to spell, they
> don't continue their learning for more efficiency in reading. Not unless the
> parents know better and push it at their IEP meetings.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On
> Behalf Of Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 7:35 AM
> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>
> JODY
>
> What you relate is a crime.  That director, and maybe many educators, need
> their heads examined if they think being able to read like that is
> acceptable, or if they really think a person can function that way in the
> real world.  Working that way, you won’t be very productive, and you won’t
> last very long.
>
> To mitigate these attitudes by educators (probably not all, but maybe many)
> parents need to be educated about the possibilities that Braille, and speech
> and computers, brings.  They need to not hide their heads in the sand when
> they have an impaired child, but need to face the problem head on.  The
> parents need to understand Braille just as much as the child needs to
> understand it, so they can help them when needed.  And the parents need to
> be advocates for the kids.  They need to understand (for example) that a
> talking computer isn’t enough, or that reading 20 words a minute with print
> (even though the child can do it) will not help the child.  That way, when
> they hear a cock-and-bull story from an educator, they can tell whether what
> they’re hearing will help their child.
>
> OK, so you’re saying the parent’s division is the  place to go to help
> parents realize these things?  I’ll have to check that out on the NFB
> website.  As I said in an earlier email, I would like my experiences to help
> someone so they don’t have to go through the same things I did.
>
> Mike
>
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> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>
> Many years ago I once heard the Director of special education state that if
> a child can read one letter at a time on a CCTV then they don’t have to
> learn braille
>
> JODY
>
> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>
>
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik
> Weihenmayer
>
>> On Mar 17, 2023, at 5:33 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Debbie,
>>
>> Love everything you said here, but wanted to point out that in fact,
>> the average sighted high school senior reads at a minimum of 250 words
>> a minute. 240 is actually considered slow for an adult. Source:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fschol
>> arwithin.com%2Faverage-reading-speed&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce701382d54b04de
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>>> On 3/17/23, Debbie Gabe via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> Very well said!
>>> I have RP and have been slowly going blind since age 13 or so, when
>>> "they"
>>> told me I needed glasses. But the glasses never helped so I never
>>> used them.
>>> I got my driver's license back than and luckily I never hit anybody,
>>> although I did have several fender benders. Finally in my 20's it was
>>> diagnosed correctly. Then in my late 30's I couldn't read normal size
>>> print without a hand held magnifier. Over the decades, I graduated to
>>> reading large print books with the magnifier in my hand and finally
>>> adding reading magnification glasses to that mix. I gave myself
>>> carpal tunnel syndrome from using the magnifier on long bus rides to
>>> work in the mornings. I gave myself a neck problem from trying to put
>>> my eyes closer to file drawers and computer desktop monitors to see
>>> them.  It was such a relief, like you described, when I finally
>>> learned braille.  Now I read braille between 40 to
>>> 90 words a minute, depending on how focused and alert I am.
>>>
>>> I once heard Jerry Whittle and Fred Schroeder say that it's difficult
>>> for people learning braille when "older" to break 100 words a minute.
>>> I keep pushing myself, but never cracked 100. But I'm happy if I can
>>> consistently read at 80 words a minute. They say you can read a
>>> speech and sound natural if you can read at 150. Sighted people who
>>> graduate high school and go to college read at 200 to 250 words a
>>> minute. Braille readers who learn when young can get up to 400 and above!
>>>
>>> The teachers of blind kids , many sighted,  are often very short sighted.
>>> They don't realize how reading enlarged print brings on headaches and
>>> eye strain and very very slow reading speeds.
>>> I used to talk with parents of blind kids about braille. And if I
>>> found out their kids were reading magnified print and not braille I
>>> suggested that they have teachers measure their reading speed and not
>>> compare the results with their "peers" but with the average kid at
>>> their grade level (that is sighted peers as opposed to partially
>>> blind peers). The parents were always shocked. But the teachers and
>>> initially the parents did not want their partially blind  kids to
>>> look "blind" by reading braille. But the teachers never told parents
>>> the truth and what the research says - that blind people who have
>>> satisfying well paid jobs are most likely to use braille on a daily
>>> basis.
>>>
>>> I am retired now, but I still talk to anyone I can about this short
>>> sightedness in Hawaii public school system because I think it's a
>>> tragedy.
>>> Many partially blind kids I have worked with after graduating high
>>> school hate reading and they do not read for pleasure ever. And I
>>> understand why.
>>>
>>> So I encourage you to read as much as you can. You can get magazines
>>> from NLS in braille. While NLS may have much more audio, I have been
>>> able to keep myself supplied in braille reading material.
>>> Also, the NFB at NFB.org can send you braille copies of their
>>> publications like the Braille Monitor, every month. It would take me
>>> more than a month to get through  them so they piled up in my dining
>>> room-lol.
>>>
>>> The thing about reading hard copy braille is that it's the best way
>>> to practice techniques for reading speed. But I'm sure you could also
>>> do it on a braille electronic display, although it might take longer.
>>> Good luck to you.
>>> Debbie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mike Jolls
>>> via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 2:56 AM
>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>
>>> Debbie Gabe
>>>
>>> I read your email with great interest.  I'm 66 years old.  I've been
>>> legally blind my entire life.  Due to the educational system I went
>>> through, I was taught to read print since I could see (although I'm
>>> severely nearsighted and my vision makes me a slow reader).  I did
>>> not have the opportunity to learn Braille in my early years.  Being a
>>> partially sighted person, the answer was always "make it bigger with
>>> magnification", "get a stronger pair of glasses", and so on.  This
>>> was the mentality of the sighted community because sight was what
>>> they understood.  And so I lived my life, until around age 50, after
>>> trying these methods over and over, that I realized that there was a
>>> limit to how well I could read if I used my vision.  It dawned on me
>>> that if I was ever going to overcome my reading deficiency, I had to
>>> find a method that didn't use my eyesight.  What an epiphany that
>>> was!!
>>>
>>> Enter Braille.
>>>
>>> I started learning Braille at age 50.  It was definitely an
>>> "eye-opener", because it did exactly what I realized an alternate
>>> method would have to do.
>>> It bypassed the vision and removed the barrier that bad vision
>>> imposes.  I was hopeful that Braille would allow me to improve my
>>> reading speed.  I've been on that quest since then, and as I say, I'm
>>> now 66.  Unfortunately, I haven't achieved a reading speed I would
>>> like to have (say 150 words per minute), but it's not for a lack of
>>> trying.  Perhaps as you say . when you're older and starting out, you
>>> may not achieve speeds that a younger person will achieve when they
>>> start reading at age 6.  I think this is similar to playing the piano
>>> which I started seriously studying at age 60.
>>> It's a lot easier to soak it up when you're younger, but that's
>>> another topic that could spawn a different conversation, so I'll stop
>>> there.
>>>
>>> These days I read Braille primarily with a Braille display.  You
>>> mention that you need to read hardcopy Braille, but I find the supply is
>>> limited.
>>> The NLS has made the decision that 85 percent of its reading material
>>> will be in audible format, and the other 15 percent will either be in
>>> electronic braille format or hardcopy braille.  That leaves us
>>> readers who are interested in Braille out in the cold.  Bookshare is
>>> of course another option.
>>>
>>> In summary, I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn braille
>>> at a younger age, but that's water under the bridge at this point.
>>> All I can do is read as much as I can.  But I still stand behind my
>>> conviction that to improve reading for a partially sighted person
>>> (and certainly for a totally blind person), braille is the answer,
>>> and the sooner you embrace it and the more you use it, the better off
>>> you'll be.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting your email.  It was interesting reading.
>>>
>>> Mike Jolls
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Debbie Gabe via
>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:28 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion
>>> List'<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Debbie Gabe<mailto:dgabe808 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I came into this conversation late. I'm not sure how old you are.
>>> I learned braille when I was 55 years old. I practiced every chance I
>>> got.
>>> I
>>> took my braille book to appointments where I thought I might have to
>>> wait.
>>> I
>>> read in my husband's care, on the bus, during TV commercials in the
>>> evening, anytime I had a few minutes to spare. Now at 72 years old, I
>>> still have not yet broken 100 words a minute, but I am always in the
>>> middle of at least 2 braille novels. I make labels for everything in
>>> braille. I write notes to myself. For several years, before I finally
>>> retired, I taught braille.
>>>
>>> If you are ""older", then you might not end up reading as fast as
>>> someone who learns braille at a younger age, but you can still make
>>> it useful and enjoyable.
>>>
>>> But you do have to practice every single day as much as you can. If I
>>> go a couple days without reading braille, I notice my reading speed
>>> is so much slower, it frustrates me.
>>>
>>> And you need to use good reading technique, Read with both hands, all
>>> 8 fingers on the line of braille. Don't red with the fingertips, but
>>> more between the tips and the pads of the fingers.
>>> And you will increase your speed faster if you read hard copy books
>>> rather than electronic braille displays where there is only a single
>>> line at a time.
>>> And keep your touch light, don't "scrub", etc. I'm sure you've heard
>>> all those things.
>>>
>>> Lastly, Jerry Whittle, used to teach braille for over 30 years to
>>> adults at the Louisiana Center for the blind. He wrote a bunch of
>>> articles that were published in magazines from the NFB: the Braille
>>> Monitor, etc. Do a google search for him. He died a while ago, but his
>>> articles are still out there.
>>> He has several on increasing reading speed.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> And if you are free on the 4th Saturdays of each month, the NFB of
>>> Hawaii holds a zoom meeting called All About Braille. I am the host.
>>> We discuss anything and everything about braille, , including
>>> increasing reading speed.
>>> If interested, email me personally at debbiegabe at live.com and I will
>>> send you the zoom link. It takes place at 10 am Hawaii time (1 pm
>>> west coast time, and 4 pm eastern time).
>>>
>>> Best.
>>> Debbie Gabe
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via
>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:05 AM
>>> To: Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>
>>> Reading every day as much as possible is essential. You are not going
>>> to give up other forms of reading; you cannot get everything in
>>> Braille, anyway. Find a magazine you enjoy in Braille, some books,
>>> some business reports-you pick. Two experiences worth sharing: 1. A
>>> Braille student came to me for a recipe and took it down using her
>>> slate and stylus. She said: I am going to college and want my noses
>>> in Braille, but I am too slow. I
>>> answered: Make yourself write them with the slate and stylus. Most
>>> freshmen do not have notetaking mastered, and you can share your
>>> notes with others, so do the best you can and see how fast you
>>> improve. At Christmas break she came back for another recipe and wrote it
>>> on the slate like a pro. I said:
>>> Carolyn, you did it! She barely knew what I was talking about, but
>>> she had taken notes with the slate and stylusin in all of her classes
>>> for one semester and truly had no more concerns about speed. Second
>>> example: We had a student with a phD who was losing vision so was a fast
>>> reader in print.
>>> She was determined to build speed in Braille. She took two hours of
>>> braille during the day and read two more hours each evening 7 days a
>>> week. It took her about 3 weeks to cover the entire Braille code, and
>>> then she began reading whatever she wished. At the end of six months
>>> she took a timed reading test and read 150 words per minute. She said
>>> the effort was worth the results. That was the right time for her to
>>> do it. Students who learn as children keep up their speed pretty
>>> easily. If the speed has increased as an adult, you need to keep on
>>> reading regularly to maintain it.
>>> suggestions on technique: pet the Braille lightly and keep your
>>> fingers moving to the right, so you are getting part from context,
>>> but do not go back and worry about single words, so your muscle
>>> memory is being developped. 2. Get identical texts of Braille and
>>> recorded material. Set the player just a little faster than you can
>>> read the Braille and make yourself keep up. 3. If you did not get the
>>> sense from context, read the entire page again, keeping up your
>>> speed, three or four times if necessary. It will come! Mabel Nading
>>> and I did lots of testing of speed building at the Iowa Commission
>>> for the Blind in the 1970's. Some of our students taught us a lot by
>>> their success. Determination and discipline make a huge difference. I
>>> think some of this stuff is in the Braille Monitor somewhere.
>>> Best,
>>> Ramona
>>>> On Mar 15, 2023 1:09 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sahar,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Agreed on all counts. I really want to move to reading
>>>> everything in braille as long as it isn't time-sensitive, but I've
>>>> been using my screen-reader at 850 words a minute for almost twenty
>>>> years. Going back to 40 or 60WPM is incredibly difficult--especially
>>>> given the neurological fatigue that comes with.
>>>>
>>>> Sanho
>>>>
>>>> On 3/15/23, Sahar Husseini via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Practice really is key. I used to tell my students. Sighted people
>>>>> see print everywhere. It is literally on everything. You have to
>>>>> read braille every day. Some people tell me that's hard to do, but
>>>>> that really is what it takes. I never understood how kids took
>>>>> braille class for one day a week. I was lucky that everything in
>>>>> school was in braille. For me to get faster, I had to read
>>>>> everything in braille. Of course, now, I am 110 years old, so I
>>>>> don't know that kids get everything in braille these days. It's sad
>>>>> how much focus is on audio. Some of us don't comprehend as well on
>>> audio. Ok, I'm not quite 110, lol.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David
>>>>> Andrews via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:26 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not an expert in Braille learning -- however, I remember some
>>>>> articles in the Braille Monitor in the 90's about adults learning
>>>>> Braille and increasing their speed.  I think the recommendations
>>>>> are generally that you need to read each and every day, for an hour
>>>>> if possible. I remember one person saying it took them two years to
>>>>> build
>>> up their speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not trying to discourage you, but if you go weeks or months
>>>>> without reading Braille, you won't get faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:56 AM
>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, approximately zero minutes a day on average. I have
>>>>> weeks where I read 10 pages a day and months where I don't touch
>>>>> braille at all. I definitely need to build consistency there. I'm
>>>>> currently reading at about 60WPM. Enough to enjoy and understand
>>>>> what I'm reading, but nowhere near what I read when I was sighted.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/23, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Do you know anyone who can watch you as you read and make suggestions?
>>>>>> Many people have increased reading speed. How much time do you
>>>>>> spend reading each day?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:13 AM
>>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. I'm compiling the list now in text and braille for people
>>>>>> to use as they wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To clarify, I'm not looking for techniques. I'm looking for how
>>>>>> long it takes to increase speed and by what amount we can do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/15/23, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I have been working on increasing Braille reading speed as well .
>>>>>>> here are my tips
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't scrub
>>>>>>> Light touch
>>>>>>> Read things that don't have words that are too difficult at first
>>>>>>> All fingers on the Braille as you read.
>>>>>>> Both hands start the line and move together across the line  -
>>>>>>> but right eventually separates from left and finishes while left
>>>>>>> goes to next line ready to read (this means there's no time lost
>>>>>>> between right hand finishing and next line starting to be read)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm . practicing the frequently read words . I'd be interested
>>>>>>> in getting a list of those myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another tip, make sure you practice reading every day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here are a couple of more things (if you're reading on a
>>>>>>> braille display with a screen reader such as Jaws) Put the
>>>>>>> braille display in "auto advance" mode and read a document.  The
>>>>>>> screen reader will automatically advance to the next line and
>>>>>>> refresh the display with the next line of text.  This will force you
>>>>>>> to keep up.
>>>>>>> You may need to set the auto advance speed so it's slow enough at
>>>>>>> first so you can keep up with it.  Then as you get better, set it
>>>>>>> a bit faster.  It's like taking a shorthand class where the
>>>>>>> teacher keeps making you go faster.
>>>>>>> You do get faster as time goes on.  I'm still working on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second tip for the braille display.  In your screen reader
>>>>>>> software, set the left and right panning buttons so that forward
>>>>>>> panning is the LEFT button, not the right button.  By default (at
>>>>>>> least in Jaws), Jaws has assigned the forward pan function to the
>>>>>>> right panning button on the display.  But this means that you
>>>>>>> have to move your hand to the right side of the display in order
>>>>>>> to pan.  And when you're on a short line, it takes a second or
>>>>>>> two to do that.  Result is that you lose a couple of seconds
>>>>>>> every time you have to move your hand to the right side of the
>>>>>>> display.  By switching the forward pan function to the left
>>>>>>> button, you don't have to move your right hand to the end of the
>>>>>>> display to press the pan forward button.  Your left hand is
>>>>>>> always there on the left button, so it takes less time to pan
>>>>>>> forward.  This will save a little time (every bit helps) but the
>>>>>>> majority of your time savings
>>> will be in the tips before this one.
>>>>>>> This one will take a bit of getting used to, but I have it from
>>>>>>> another blind user that this is the way to go.  Saving the second
>>>>>>> or two on each line seems to make sense, so give it a try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope I've explained this adequately and good luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incidentally, for those in the NFB group, any comments are
>>>>>>> welcome regarding what I've said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart via
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>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:15 AM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion
>>>>>>> List<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any kind of a science to when and by how much
>>>>>>> significant reading gains will happen? I'm currently reading
>>>>>>> braille at about a fifth the speed I want to. I'll practice as much
>>>>>>> as I need to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> He/Him
>>>>>>>
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