[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
marianne at denningweb.com
marianne at denningweb.com
Sat Mar 18 19:45:46 UTC 2023
I lived in a farming community about 40 miles outside of Wichita, KS and began my education in the early 60s. I attended my local public school and they did the best they knew how to do. I have extremely limited vision and should have learned braille beginning in first grade but that didn't happen. The school district contacted a TVI and they attempted to introduce braille when I was in the 5th grade but I wanted nothing to do with it so it was dropped and reintroduced when I was in 7th grade. By then, I was so excited to learn it that I progressed on teaching myself between lessons with my TVI. I learned all of the code by the end of 7th grade and had my first braille textbook in 8th grade. I loved it. I could read chapters at my own speed and read them over as many times as I wanted. I learned to read but my writing lagged far behind my reading. I also did not learn Nemeth code and no one thought it was important for me to learn. That is very sad because I am strong in math and could have progressed much faster with Nemeth code. I just didn't think to ask about it. I think attending a public school was the right choice since I lived over 200 miles from the Kansas School for the Blind but it certainly came with limitations too.
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From: NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NFB-Braille-Discussion
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 1:31 PM
To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Congratulations! What a great story!
Yes, when I was in seventh grade they put me in remedial reading classes because I had such a slow reading speed. Do you think it would’ve occurred to them it was because I couldn’t see!
JODY
To Boldly Go 🖖🏻
thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS Erik Weihenmayer
> On Mar 18, 2023, at 12:39 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Chiming in to say that when I was fourteen, I had a two-degree field
> with sub-acuity vision and severe sensitivity to glare. They put me in
> special ed math classes and gave me five inch tall equations written
> in thick black marker on mint green construction paper. I had to put
> my face to the paper and trace each leg of every letter and number,
> then still lose track of what I was reading. It was horrible. And then
> I learned braille.
>
> Suddenly I could do the work faster and better than my sighted peers.
> My comprehension was never the problem. The problem was access. ended
> up back in general ed, accelerating my math and science programs,
> graduating early, and getting a degree in bio-cultural anthropology.
> When I went totally blind partway through, it was irrelevant. Then I
> continued on and earned a master's in O&M and a doctorate in law.
>
> No one is more of a braille advocate than I am. I just wish I'd
> learned sooner and didn't have to develop speed as an adult.
>
> sanho
>
>> On 3/18/23, Jody ianuzzi via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Oh having an eye vision to get in trouble is definitely a negative
>> entire at times. When I was in college the totally blind students had
>> the skills they needed to succeed and I didn’t Space have those skills!
>>
>> JODY
>>
>> To Boldly Go 🖖🏻
>>
>>
>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>
>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS
>> Erik Weihenmayer
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 1:05 AM, marianne denning via
>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The message all legally blind people receive is that the more
>>> vision you have the higher you are on the acceptance by sighted
>>> people ladder. That has always been the case and will continue for
>>> the foreseeable future. I have come to the conclusion that people
>>> with some useable vision get the worst of both worlds when they
>>> should get the best of both worlds. You should have been encouraged
>>> to use your vision when it was helpful but taught those nonvisual
>>> skills because those are the ones you can always rely upon. I
>>> strongly encourage you to share your blindness journey with all
>>> families you meet. Your story can be impactful to parents of
>>> children who are legally blind but have usable vision.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 8:56 AM
>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>
>>> Debbie Gabe
>>>
>>> I read your email with great interest. I'm 66 years old. I've been
>>> legally blind my entire life. Due to the educational system I went
>>> through, I was taught to read print since I could see (although I'm
>>> severely nearsighted and my vision makes me a slow reader). I did
>>> not have the opportunity to learn Braille in my early years. Being
>>> a partially sighted person, the answer was always "make it bigger
>>> with magnification", "get a stronger pair of glasses", and so on.
>>> This was the mentality of the sighted community because sight was
>>> what they understood. And so I lived my life, until around age 50,
>>> after trying these methods over and over, that I realized that there
>>> was a limit to how well I could read if I used my vision. It dawned
>>> on me that if I was ever going to overcome my reading deficiency, I
>>> had to find a method that didn't use my eyesight. What an epiphany
>>> that was!!
>>>
>>> Enter Braille.
>>>
>>> I started learning Braille at age 50. It was definitely an
>>> "eye-opener", because it did exactly what I realized an alternate
>>> method would have to do.
>>> It bypassed the vision and removed the barrier that bad vision
>>> imposes. I was hopeful that Braille would allow me to improve my
>>> reading speed. I've been on that quest since then, and as I say,
>>> I'm now 66. Unfortunately, I haven't achieved a reading speed I
>>> would like to have (say 150 words per minute), but it's not for a
>>> lack of trying. Perhaps as you say . when you're older and starting
>>> out, you may not achieve speeds that a younger person will achieve
>>> when they start reading at age 6. I think this is similar to playing the piano which I started seriously studying at age 60.
>>> It's a lot easier to soak it up when you're younger, but that's
>>> another topic that could spawn a different conversation, so I'll stop there.
>>>
>>> These days I read Braille primarily with a Braille display. You
>>> mention that you need to read hardcopy Braille, but I find the supply is limited.
>>> The NLS has made the decision that 85 percent of its reading
>>> material will be in audible format, and the other 15 percent will
>>> either be in electronic braille format or hardcopy braille. That
>>> leaves us readers who are interested in Braille out in the cold.
>>> Bookshare is of course another option.
>>>
>>> In summary, I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn braille
>>> at a younger age, but that's water under the bridge at this point.
>>> All I can do is read as much as I can. But I still stand behind my
>>> conviction that to improve reading for a partially sighted person
>>> (and certainly for a totally blind person), braille is the answer,
>>> and the sooner you embrace it and the more you use it, the better
>>> off you'll be.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting your email. It was interesting reading.
>>>
>>> Mike Jolls
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> From: Debbie Gabe via
>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:28 AM
>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion
>>> List'<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Debbie Gabe<mailto:dgabe808 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I came into this conversation late. I'm not sure how old you are.
>>> I learned braille when I was 55 years old. I practiced every chance I got.
>>> I
>>> took my braille book to appointments where I thought I might have to wait.
>>> I
>>> read in my husband's care, on the bus, during TV commercials in the
>>> evening, anytime I had a few minutes to spare. Now at 72 years old,
>>> I still have not yet broken 100 words a minute, but I am always in
>>> the middle of at least 2 braille novels. I make labels for
>>> everything in braille. I write notes to myself. For several years,
>>> before I finally retired, I taught braille.
>>>
>>> If you are ""older", then you might not end up reading as fast as
>>> someone who learns braille at a younger age, but you can still make
>>> it useful and enjoyable.
>>>
>>> But you do have to practice every single day as much as you can. If
>>> I go a couple days without reading braille, I notice my reading
>>> speed is so much slower, it frustrates me.
>>>
>>> And you need to use good reading technique, Read with both hands,
>>> all 8 fingers on the line of braille. Don't red with the fingertips,
>>> but more between the tips and the pads of the fingers.
>>> And you will increase your speed faster if you read hard copy books
>>> rather than electronic braille displays where there is only a single
>>> line at a time.
>>> And keep your touch light, don't "scrub", etc. I'm sure you've heard
>>> all those things.
>>>
>>> Lastly, Jerry Whittle, used to teach braille for over 30 years to
>>> adults at the Louisiana Center for the blind. He wrote a bunch of
>>> articles that were published in magazines from the NFB: the Braille
>>> Monitor, etc. Do a google search for him. He died a while ago, but
>>> his articles are still out there.
>>> He has several on increasing reading speed.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> And if you are free on the 4th Saturdays of each month, the NFB of
>>> Hawaii holds a zoom meeting called All About Braille. I am the host.
>>> We discuss anything and everything about braille, , including
>>> increasing reading speed.
>>> If interested, email me personally at debbiegabe at live.com and I will
>>> send you the zoom link. It takes place at 10 am Hawaii time (1 pm
>>> west coast time, and 4 pm eastern time).
>>>
>>> Best.
>>> Debbie Gabe
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:05 AM
>>> To: Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>
>>> Reading every day as much as possible is essential. You are not
>>> going to give up other forms of reading; you cannot get everything
>>> in Braille, anyway. Find a magazine you enjoy in Braille, some
>>> books, some business reports-you pick. Two experiences worth
>>> sharing: 1. A Braille student came to me for a recipe and took it down using her slate and stylus. She said:
>>> I
>>> am going to college and want my noses in Braille, but I am too slow.
>>> I
>>> answered: Make yourself write them with the slate and stylus. Most
>>> freshmen do not have notetaking mastered, and you can share your
>>> notes with others, so do the best you can and see how fast you
>>> improve. At Christmas break she came back for another recipe and
>>> wrote it on the slate like a pro. I said:
>>> Carolyn, you did it! She barely knew what I was talking about, but
>>> she had taken notes with the slate and stylusin in all of her
>>> classes for one semester and truly had no more concerns about speed.
>>> Second example: We had a student with a phD who was losing vision so
>>> was a fast reader in print.
>>> She was determined to build speed in Braille. She took two hours of
>>> braille during the day and read two more hours each evening 7 days a
>>> week. It took her about 3 weeks to cover the entire Braille code,
>>> and then she began reading whatever she wished. At the end of six
>>> months she took a timed reading test and read 150 words per minute.
>>> She said the effort was worth the results. That was the right time
>>> for her to do it. Students who learn as children keep up their speed
>>> pretty easily. If the speed has increased as an adult, you need to
>>> keep on reading regularly to maintain it.
>>> suggestions on technique: pet the Braille lightly and keep your
>>> fingers moving to the right, so you are getting part from context,
>>> but do not go back and worry about single words, so your muscle
>>> memory is being developped. 2. Get identical texts of Braille and
>>> recorded material. Set the player just a little faster than you can
>>> read the Braille and make yourself keep up. 3. If you did not get
>>> the sense from context, read the entire page again, keeping up your
>>> speed, three or four times if necessary. It will come! Mabel Nading
>>> and I did lots of testing of speed building at the Iowa Commission
>>> for the Blind in the 1970's. Some of our students taught us a lot by
>>> their success. Determination and discipline make a huge difference.
>>> I think some of this stuff is in the Braille Monitor somewhere.
>>> Best,
>>> Ramona
>>>> On Mar 15, 2023 1:09 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sahar,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Agreed on all counts. I really want to move to reading
>>>> everything in braille as long as it isn't time-sensitive, but I've
>>>> been using my screen-reader at 850 words a minute for almost twenty
>>>> years. Going back to 40 or 60WPM is incredibly
>>>> difficult--especially given the neurological fatigue that comes with.
>>>>
>>>> Sanho
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/23, Sahar Husseini via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Practice really is key. I used to tell my students. Sighted people
>>>>> see print everywhere. It is literally on everything. You have to
>>>>> read braille every day. Some people tell me that's hard to do, but
>>>>> that really is what it takes. I never understood how kids took
>>>>> braille class for one day a week. I was lucky that everything in
>>>>> school was in braille. For me to get faster, I had to read
>>>>> everything in braille. Of course, now, I am 110 years old, so I
>>>>> don't know that kids get everything in braille these days. It's
>>>>> sad how much focus is on audio. Some of us don't comprehend as
>>>>> well on
>>> audio. Ok, I'm not quite 110, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> Sahar Husseini
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David
>>>>> Andrews via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:26 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not an expert in Braille learning -- however, I remember some
>>>>> articles in the Braille Monitor in the 90's about adults learning
>>>>> Braille and increasing their speed. I think the recommendations
>>>>> are generally that you need to read each and every day, for an
>>>>> hour if possible. I remember one person saying it took them two
>>>>> years to build
>>> up their speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not trying to discourage you, but if you go weeks or months
>>>>> without reading Braille, you won't get faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:56 AM
>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, approximately zero minutes a day on average. I have
>>>>> weeks where I read 10 pages a day and months where I don't touch
>>>>> braille at all. I definitely need to build consistency there. I'm
>>>>> currently reading at about 60WPM. Enough to enjoy and understand
>>>>> what I'm reading, but nowhere near what I read when I was sighted.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/23, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Do you know anyone who can watch you as you read and make suggestions?
>>>>>> Many people have increased reading speed. How much time do you
>>>>>> spend reading each day?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:13 AM
>>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. I'm compiling the list now in text and braille for people
>>>>>> to use as they wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To clarify, I'm not looking for techniques. I'm looking for how
>>>>>> long it takes to increase speed and by what amount we can do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/15/23, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I have been working on increasing Braille reading speed as well .
>>>>>>> here are my tips
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't scrub
>>>>>>> Light touch
>>>>>>> Read things that don't have words that are too difficult at
>>>>>>> first All fingers on the Braille as you read.
>>>>>>> Both hands start the line and move together across the line -
>>>>>>> but right eventually separates from left and finishes while left
>>>>>>> goes to next line ready to read (this means there's no time lost
>>>>>>> between right hand finishing and next line starting to be read)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm . practicing the frequently read words . I'd be interested
>>>>>>> in getting a list of those myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another tip, make sure you practice reading every day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here are a couple of more things (if you're reading on a
>>>>>>> braille display with a screen reader such as Jaws) Put the
>>>>>>> braille display in "auto advance" mode and read a document. The
>>>>>>> screen reader will automatically advance to the next line and
>>>>>>> refresh the display with the next line of text. This will force you to keep up.
>>>>>>> You may need to set the auto advance speed so it's slow enough
>>>>>>> at first so you can keep up with it. Then as you get better,
>>>>>>> set it a bit faster. It's like taking a shorthand class where
>>>>>>> the teacher keeps making you go faster.
>>>>>>> You do get faster as time goes on. I'm still working on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second tip for the braille display. In your screen reader
>>>>>>> software, set the left and right panning buttons so that forward
>>>>>>> panning is the LEFT button, not the right button. By default
>>>>>>> (at least in Jaws), Jaws has assigned the forward pan function
>>>>>>> to the right panning button on the display. But this means that
>>>>>>> you have to move your hand to the right side of the display in
>>>>>>> order to pan. And when you're on a short line, it takes a
>>>>>>> second or two to do that. Result is that you lose a couple of
>>>>>>> seconds every time you have to move your hand to the right side
>>>>>>> of the display. By switching the forward pan function to the
>>>>>>> left button, you don't have to move your right hand to the end
>>>>>>> of the display to press the pan forward button. Your left hand
>>>>>>> is always there on the left button, so it takes less time to pan
>>>>>>> forward. This will save a little time (every bit helps) but the
>>>>>>> majority of your time savings
>>> will be in the tips before this one.
>>>>>>> This one will take a bit of getting used to, but I have it from
>>>>>>> another blind user that this is the way to go. Saving the
>>>>>>> second or two on each line seems to make sense, so give it a try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope I've explained this adequately and good luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incidentally, for those in the NFB group, any comments are
>>>>>>> welcome regarding what I've said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:15 AM
>>>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion
>>>>>>> List<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any kind of a science to when and by how much
>>>>>>> significant reading gains will happen? I'm currently reading
>>>>>>> braille at about a fifth the speed I want to. I'll practice as much as I need to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> He/Him
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