[nfb-db] My thoughts on training centers blind, and deaf blind.
Marsha Drenth
marsha.drenth at gmail.com
Thu Nov 7 16:06:13 UTC 2013
Randy,
I'd like to know more about these methods in how to learn ASL? Very very curiously.
Marsha drenth
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> On Nov 7, 2013, at 10:33 AM, "Randy Pope" <randy.pope at aadb.org> wrote:
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> Whatever you do, don't let these people advise you to stick the Rochester
> method. That is a very bad idea. Many of the DB people would not have the
> patience to communicate with those using this method.
>
> With the right people, you will...not maybe....you will master ASL somehow.
> There are deaf ASL teachers out there who would be willing to work with
> people like you. For those DB people who cannot see, there are other method
> to teach ASL. I know of several who are teaching ASL to totally blind
> students, successfully,
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Davert
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:33 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] My thoughts on training centers blind, and deaf blind.
>
> Hi marsha.
> Sadly, my vvocabulary is maybe 100 signs. The classes until very recently
> have been so infrequent that I haven't benifited much from them. My
> receptive skills are certainly better than my actual signing ones. People
> have started to tell me that I should just stick with the Rochester method,
> but I want to keep trying to learn, you know?
>
> Scott
>
>> On 11/6/13, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Gene,
>> sounds like you have some things to do. In all due time it will get done.
>> Good luck, perhaps you will get to come up while I am there.
>> Keep us updated.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
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>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2013, at 10:00 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marsha, well I have either some time in Jan or Feb, but that
>>> hasn't been determined yet. I still have to develop my iep plan with
>>> dars, the department of asistive rehabilitation services, HKNC can't
>>> give me a date with out that I e p plan, but I have to have a prep
>>> meeting that will include my mom and everyone else. We were gonna
>>> have it on the 24th of october, but Molly Rimer had a death in the
>>> family, her niece passed away that morning at age 22, or 23, I for
>>> get which, so hopefully things will work out on the 8th of this
>>> month, then after the prep meeting then we will be able to develop
>>> the actual I e p. The reason I need a prep meeting, is so my mom can
>>> help me figure out what I will be able to expect from Dars, and what
>>> they will expect of me. It's really frustrating, I was supposed to
>>> get in back in either august but couldn't because every one that was
>>> helping me with the application totally dropped the ball, and me and my
> mom finally had to step in and straighten everything out,.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 4:19 PM
>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] My thoughts on training centers blind, and deaf
>>> blind.
>>>
>>> Jean, yes I did receive the student handbook. I got it from the
>>> admissions person at HK and see. I think I also read that they do
>>> provide the vibrant call alert system. I'm interested in seeing that.
>>> Do you have a start date?
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 5, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "gene richburg" <gene5402 at austin.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marsha, did you receive the HKNC student handbook? I don't know
>>>> if they provide consumers, or what ever they call people who come
>>>> there, but I think they provide some kind of vibra call system, but
>>>> I didn't get that part very clearily, I'll have to go back and read
>>>> that, perhaps Scott can clear that up for sure. But if you need the
>>>> handbook, I can email you off list and atatch it to the message.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 8:26 PM
>>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] My thoughts on training centers blind, and
>>>> deaf blind.
>>>>
>>>> Maurice,
>>>> I think hands down that no one will argue with you that if someone
>>>> is in need of blindness skills training, and if they are just blind
>>>> with no additional disablity, then going to a NFB training center is the
> best.
>>>> With that said, I am not just blind, but severely hard of hearing. I
>>>> have chosen to go to HKNC because of two main reasons, I do not need
>>>> blindness skills. I was blind before I lost my hearing. But I do
>>>> need the skills in order to live as a deafblind person. I have
>>>> traveled with a cane, with a guide dog, read braille, and am able to
>>>> use technology. The problem lays in that I also can't hear. There is
>>>> only one center in this country that can train a person who is both
>>>> blind and hard of hearing. With that said, most persons who go to
>>>> HKNC, are in need of a audiologist who has worked with the dual
>>>> sensory loss. An in house audiologist who understand the needs of
>>>> blind persons, visually impaired persons, and those who also who are
>>>> deaf, hard of hearing and or hearing impaired; is something that an
>>>> NFB center does not have. Just because I have made this desicion,
>>>> doesn't not mean that I am less of a person, less of an NFB member, or
> think less of the philosophy.
>>>>
>>>> Its awesome that you had a successful experience at the CCB. And I
>>>> am also not sure, of your hearing issues. But if I am reading your
>>>> message correctly, your saying those persons who go to an NFB center,
> are better.
>>>> This is the sort of attitude that divides a group. The NFB centers
>>>> are no less better than HK, nor is HK better than an NFB center. Its
>>>> just different, serves different disabilities, different needs.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard of both good and bad experiences at the HK center, jsut
>>>> as I have heard of persons going through an NFB center. I just know
>>>> that for me, with my hearing loss, it would not be successful to go
>>>> to a NFB center. For them to ask me to listen to traffic in order to
>>>> indicate when its safe to cross. I can't hear traffic. It would not
>>>> be viable for me to have an NFB center to tell me, listen for the
>>>> water boiling, I can't hear it boil. The techniques are different,
> similar but different.
>>>>
>>>> Granted I haven't been there yet to begin my training. My desicion
>>>> was one I made for me. But with that said, I can understand why
>>>> other deafblind persons make the same desicion.
>>>>
>>>> Its unfair to say that HK is not what blind, or deafblind people
>>>> should be going to for training, especially if you haven't been there
> yourself.
>>>> I would say that all blind persons should be tolerant of those of us
>>>> who have different needs, are in need of different skills than just
>>>> those you learn as a blind person.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
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>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2013, at 6:19 PM, maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good afternoon, I have been thinking for quite some time as I've
>>>>> read emails on this list recently, that it might be of some benefit
>>>>> to talk about the benefits of attending an NFB training center. Of
>>>>> course the question that many on this list will ask why are you
>>>>> even discussing this? Because I've heard a lot recently a.k.a. read
>>>>> a lot recently that the feeling seems to be that HK in C is apparently
> be only game in town.
>>>>> But I believe that if my past experience at the Colorado Center for
>>>>> the blind is any indication of how and if the training centers
>>>>> handle death blindness, one need not have very much worry about.
>>>>> Remember that the training is very individualized. So what may work
>>>>> for you and what level of deaf blindness you have, it may not
>>>>> reflect how they deal with your neighbor at all. Also as far as I
>>>>> understand the training centers do reach out to resources to help
>>>>> that training happen appropriately. So you're not going into the
>>>>> great void of the unknown. Also it is good to know that based on my
>>>>> experience we found alternative techniques not only to blindness
>>>>> but the issues surrounding the lack of hearing. And of course we
>>>>> discuss the options should one's hearing get worse. I guess one
>>>>> getting at here is that if you are considering going to a training
>>>>> center I think that's the first part, the second part is actually
>>>>> figuring out which one you should go to and the reasons why you
>>>>> want to go to it? I think that based on everything I've read and
>>>>> people I've talked to that all three of our centers can handle this
>>>>> well. I think a comment by a current staff member made when I was a
>>>>> student at the Colorado Center for the blind came out of it
> conversation regarding the disabilities that is neither deaf blindness were
> just great blindness.
>>>>> It surrounds my at that time anyway great fear of writing anything.
>>>>> The staff member said quote you can't just not right. The
>>>>> translation that I took away from that and have come to realize in
>>>>> the years since I graduated from the Colorado Center for the blind,
>>>>> you can't just not live life because you can't hear ordered their
>>>>> blindness involved. And depending on what you have to do, in many
>>>>> respects you have to get out there and just plain live one's life.
>>>>> Another thought of course comes to mind in many of the writings and
>>>>> things that are second national president Dr. Jernigan when he
>>>>> spoke about not throwing the nickel. I guess it kind of blows down
>>>>> to accept help when you need it and of course find ways of not
>>>>> accepting it if you don't. And last but not least he believed in
>>>>> blind people and I extend this adept line people blending into
>>>>> society when in wherever it is possible. Just some food for thought
>>>>> on a rainy Monday afternoon. I'd certainly would like to read some
>>>>> of the thoughts that you all may add to this. But I'll just leave
>>>>> it at this I have an abiding belief in all of the training centers
>>>>> and what they can do in the fact that the NFB difference is that
>>>>> they care not just there for a paycheck. But because they care and
> believe in turning out capable and competent people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely Maurice mines. Phone 360-524-0791, work/school email
>>>>> address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu.
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