[nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12

Patricia Hubschman palhub at optonline.net
Thu Oct 31 17:15:38 UTC 2013


Scott,   There's already a Scott hehere, so I'm a bit confused.  My name is
Trish and I live on Long Island in NY.   A db woman in  Brentwood is looking
for other DB's on Li.  She's trying to set up an NFB DB chapter.  
Trish

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Davert
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:31 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12

Hi
Delcenia, and welcome to the list.
I'm not quite so good with these intro things, since I'm not a fan of
talking about myself, but my name is Scott and I live on Long Island in New
York. I do outreach and consulting work with the I Can Connect program,
among many other projects.
That does seem like a crazy amount of time to wait for your equipment!
Is Jeff Bohrman the person in charge there? So you've tried both emailing
and calling, and are not getting any responses at all?

Scott

On 10/31/13, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
> your most welcome.
> On 10/30/2013 9:55 PM, DELCINA M BROWN wrote:
>> Thanks for your help.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Leigland"
>> <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12
>>
>>
>>> hi yes her email address is marcia.brooks at perkins.org phone 
>>> 617-972-7724.
>>> On 10/30/2013 4:52 AM, DELCINA M BROWN wrote:
>>>> Thanks, do you have contact information for her?
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Leigland"
>>>> <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi my name is Seila and I'm from Montana. If you have questions 
>>>>> about the I can connect program, and you can't get any response 
>>>>> from your state people try calling the manager of the program 
>>>>> Marcia brooks.
>>>>> On 10/29/2013 7:57 PM, DELCINA M BROWN wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, let me introduce my self. My name is Delcenia Brown and I 
>>>>>> am a member of the National Federation of the blind of Cleveland, 
>>>>>> Ohio. I am new to this mailing list. Therefore alot of you I do 
>>>>>> not know and alot of abbreviation I do not know. It will be nice 
>>>>>> if sometimes some of you would spell out what you are talking 
>>>>>> about and it would be nice to know what state you are in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tracy, I understand and appreciate what you are saying, your 
>>>>>> identity does not change because of your situation or how you 
>>>>>> handle certain settings. Taking advantage of what you have left 
>>>>>> is understandable. I am greatful for what little hearing and 
>>>>>> vision I have left. I also take advantage of that by reading with 
>>>>>> a CCTV when I can and using a fm system or pocket talker at the 
>>>>>> appropriate time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time I wish someone had taken the time to teach me 
>>>>>> braille, sign language when I was younger. Now as I grow older 
>>>>>> and have other obstacles it is a struggle to learn braille. I 
>>>>>> still have no one to teach me sign language. So, yes, reminding 
>>>>>> Randy, that there are some deafblind that are hard of hearing and 
>>>>>> do not sign was a gentle response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just recently, I have posted a notice asking if anyone in my 
>>>>>> state share my interests and got no response. However my state 
>>>>>> president does share my interest and I believe at the state 
>>>>>> convention which is to be held November 1 thru 3, 2013, the 
>>>>>> agenda does include information about the I can connect program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, the downside of things. I have completed my application and 
>>>>>> it was approved. I have had my assessment and I believe all of 
>>>>>> the equipment has been ordered based on messages that I have
received.
>>>>>> However, I still have not actually recieve anything as of today.
>>>>>> This process started back in March or April. I am grateful for 
>>>>>> the possibility of obtaining the equipment, it is frustrating 
>>>>>> that it has taken so long and no one is returning my call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I gladly get on board!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Delcenia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>     *From:* Tracie Inman <mailto:tracieinman at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>     *To:* nfb-db at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:06 AM
>>>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 57, Issue 12
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Randy: I hope you're doing well and AADB is growing stronger
>>>>>>     under your leadership. I wish you all the best always. Just a
>>>>>>     gentle reminder my friend that many many Deaf - Blind are hard of
>>>>>>     hearing (non sign speaking) blind folks. Randy, indeed since
>>>>>>     getting the two C.I.'s I'm guilty of using voice, Assisted
>>>>>>     listening devices and voice interpreters as opposed to using my
>>>>>>     signing, using interpreters, etc. I have switched to English. My
>>>>>>     excuses has been that my vision is going "bye bye" and depending
>>>>>>     on tactile scares me. In time, that may be my only option but for
>>>>>>     now I'm surrounded by hearing family and friends so I've gotten
>>>>>>     into a "comfort zone" with the success of my C.I.'s. What I'm
>>>>>>     trying to say here is, remember that, just because you might not
>>>>>>     observe the folks signing doesn't mean they're not Deaf-blind.
>>>>>>     All the folks in the NFB Deaf-Blind division who are 
>>>>>> promoting ICC
>>>>>>     are Deaf-Blind. In fact, every one assigned to Operation Outreach
>>>>>>     (our outreach project to raise awareness of the ICC and the
>>>>>>     Deaf-Blind community requesting ALL 50 affiliates and the D.C.
>>>>>>     affiliate to form committees for the Deaf-Blind in their
>>>>>>     individual committee) - including our mutual friend Marsha drenth
>>>>>>     are Deaf-Blind.
>>>>>>     Speaking of, hey Scott if you want to help please contact me or
>>>>>>     Joe Naulty. We could always use more helping hands. We got two
>>>>>>     projects going on at the moment and probably will start a third.
>>>>>>     You know about Operation Outreach. We've also started a committee
>>>>>>     on SSP issues. If you want to help us, we can always use another
>>>>>>     helping hand. I do believe the Deaf-Blind division is working
>>>>>>     harder than it ever has before. I dare to say that we've
>>>>>>     accomplished more in the last few months than we have in many
>>>>>>     years. The latest announcement we heard was that Scott Labarre
>>>>>>     (affiliate President of Colorado and a National NFB Board Member)
>>>>>>     has agreed to set up a Deaf-Blind Issues committee in the 
>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>>     affiliate. We also heard that the President of the Alaska
>>>>>>     affiliate is Deaf-Blind. So climb abaord the NFB DB Express and
>>>>>>     lets get chugging along on this exciting adventure raising
>>>>>>     awareness of Deaf-Blind issues, ICC, and the need for SSP's. All
>>>>>>     are welcome aboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Best Wishes,
>>>>>>     Tracie Inman
>>>>>>     NFB Deaf-Blind Division
>>>>>>     First Vice President
>>>>>>     tracieinman at yahoo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>     Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     1. CSUN Re: Telecommunications Equipment for Deaf-Blind Persons
>>>>>>     (Marsha Drenth)
>>>>>>     2. Re: CSUN Re: Telecommunications Equipment for Deaf-Blind
>>>>>>     Persons (Scott Davert)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Message: 1
>>>>>>     Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:49:53 -0400
>>>>>>     From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:marsha.drenth at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>     To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>     Subject: [nfb-db] CSUN Re: Telecommunications Equipment for 
>>>>>> Deaf-Blind
>>>>>>     Persons
>>>>>>     Message-ID: <D61AC1DF-7E22-4F4C-969D-18FC3E09FE61 at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:D61AC1DF-7E22-4F4C-969D-18FC3E09FE61 at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Scott,
>>>>>>     When will you hear if you are presenting at CSUn? and if you do
>>>>>>     present, who will you present with from the NFB?
>>>>>>     Very curious I know...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Marsha drenth
>>>>>>     Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Scott Davert <scottdavert at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:scottdavert at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     > Hi Randy.
>>>>>>     > It would seem there is not a lot of outreach going on from what
>>>>>>     I can
>>>>>>     > tell. I have not done outreach for NFB or ACB, but have gone to
>>>>>>     a few
>>>>>>     > places to promote it. I, of course, took an interpreter along,
>>>>>>     because
>>>>>>     > I have the signing vocabulary of a 6 month old. I know that 
>>>>>> HKNC
>>>>>>     plans
>>>>>>     > to send someone to the national AFB conference in Feb, and I
>>>>>>     submitted
>>>>>>     > a proposal to CSUN to discuss deaf-blindness and some of the
>>>>>>     > technology used. If accepted, I will be presenting this with a
>>>>>>     member
>>>>>>     > of the NFB. It will, of course, make mention of the ICC 
>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > All the best,
>>>>>>     > Scott
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > On 10/27/13, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:marsha.drenth at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>     >> Randy,
>>>>>>     >> Ok, just so the point is clear, anyone from the NFB who is
>>>>>>     promoting the ICC
>>>>>>     >> program, is Deafblind. Of course there are other organizations
>>>>>>     promoting the
>>>>>>     >> ICC program. And yes some DB persons are not signing DB folks.
>>>>>>     Of course
>>>>>>     >> this by no means that they aren't DB.
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>     >> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >> On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:06 PM, "Randy Pope"
>>>>>> <randy.pope at aadb.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:randy.pope at aadb.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >>> Marsha,
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Sorry for overlooking the last part of your message. I have
>>>>>>     received a
>>>>>>     >>> few report that the people who are actually doing the
>>>>>>     promotion and
>>>>>>     >>> education are not DeafBlind. But here is the problem in
>>>>>>     determining if
>>>>>>     >>> these report are true. These people could be Deafblind but
>>>>>>     cannot sign.
>>>>>>     >>> In the recent DSA conference, the person sitting in the ICC
>>>>>>     booth, was
>>>>>>     >>> assuming hearing blind who did not know how to sign.
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> There were a few other situation similar to this situation.
>>>>>>     See where I?m
>>>>>>     >>> coming from?
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Randy
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>>>     >>> Drenth
>>>>>>     >>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:30 PM
>>>>>>     >>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>>>>>     >>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Telecommunications Equipment for
>>>>>>     Deaf-Blind Persons
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Mr. Pope,
>>>>>>     >>> I am not a part of the NFB DB board, but the NFB DB division
>>>>>>     has implement
>>>>>>     >>> an outreach program to educate state affiliates on 
>>>>>> Deafblindness,
>>>>>>     >>> resources, and the Icanconnect program. I do believe that all
>>>>>>     of those
>>>>>>     >>> persons who are reaching out to the different states are db
>>>>>>     themselves. Is
>>>>>>     >>> this what you mean?
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>     >>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Randy Pope"
>>>>>> <randy.pope at aadb.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:randy.pope at aadb.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Question: Are there any DeafBlind people assisting in the
>>>>>>     NDBEDP outreach
>>>>>>     >>> program?
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Randy
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>     >>> Andrews
>>>>>>     >>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:16 PM
>>>>>>     >>> To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>     >>> Subject: [nfb-db] Telecommunications Equipment for Deaf-Blind
>>>>>>     Persons
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> I have been asked to distribute the following.
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Dear David,
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> I have been charged with the outreach program for :I Can
>>>>>>     Connect" in 5
>>>>>>     >>> states, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA,
>>>>>>     >>> OKLAHOMA, WASHINGTON and WISCONSIN
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Changing what it means to be blind,
>>>>>>     >>> Marcus Simmons, President,
>>>>>>     >>> Wayne County chapter NFBMI
>>>>>>     >>> 28179 Brentwood
>>>>>>     >>> Southfield, MI 48076-3069
>>>>>>     >>> president at map-n.org <mailto:president at map-n.org>
>>>>>>     >>> (248) 552-8928
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> NDBEDP.pdf
>>>>>>     >>> Consumer Guide
>>>>>>     >>> 9
>>>>>>     >>> National Deaf-Blind Equipment Distribution Program
>>>>>>     >>> Background
>>>>>>     >>> The Twenty-First Century Communications and Video
>>>>>>     Accessibility Act of
>>>>>>     >>> 2010 (CVAA) authorizes the
>>>>>>     >>> Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to provide 
>>>>>> funding for
>>>>>>     local
>>>>>>     >>> programs to distribute
>>>>>>     >>> equipment to low-income individuals who are ?deaf-blind? (see
>>>>>>     definition
>>>>>>     >>> below.) The FCC may use up
>>>>>>     >>> to $10 million annually from the interstate 
>>>>>> Telecommunications
>>>>>>     Relay
>>>>>>     >>> Service fund for this purpose.
>>>>>>     >>> Pilot Program
>>>>>>     >>> In 2011, the FCC established the National Deaf-Blind 
>>>>>> Equipment
>>>>>>     >>> Distribution Program (NDBEDP) as a
>>>>>>     >>> pilot program. The pilot program has been in effect since 
>>>>>> July
>>>>>>     1, 2012,
>>>>>>     >>> and the FCC may extend the
>>>>>>     >>> program another year. The pilot program provides valuable
>>>>>>     information that
>>>>>>     >>> the FCC will use to help
>>>>>>     >>> develop and implement an effective and efficient permanent
>>>>>>     deaf-blind
>>>>>>     >>> equipment distribution program.
>>>>>>     >>> How does the pilot program operate?
>>>>>>     >>> The FCC selected and certified one entity in each of the 50
>>>>>>     states, plus
>>>>>>     >>> the District of Columbia, Puerto
>>>>>>     >>> Rico, and the Virgin Islands, to receive FCC support to 
>>>>>> distribute
>>>>>>     >>> equipment to low-income individuals
>>>>>>     >>> who are deaf-blind. The FCC allocated a minimum of $50,000 to
>>>>>>     each of the
>>>>>>     >>> 53 certified programs,
>>>>>>     >>> plus additional funding based on the size of each state's
>>>>>>     population. As a
>>>>>>     >>> result, states with large
>>>>>>     >>> populations were allocated larger amounts of funding than
>>>>>>     states with
>>>>>>     >>> small populations.
>>>>>>     >>> The FCC also set aside $500,000 each year for the Perkins
>>>>>>     School for the
>>>>>>     >>> Blind to coordinate outreach
>>>>>>     >>> to promote this new equipment distribution program 
>>>>>> nationwide.
>>>>>>     >>> Who is eligible to receive equipment?
>>>>>>     >>> Under the CVAA, only low-income individuals who are 
>>>>>> deaf-blind are
>>>>>>     >>> eligible to receive equipment.
>>>>>>     >>> Applicants must provide verification of their status as
>>>>>>     low-income and
>>>>>>     >>> deaf-blind.
>>>>>>     >>> The CVAA requires that the term "deaf-blind" has the same
>>>>>>     meaning given in
>>>>>>     >>> the Helen Keller National
>>>>>>     >>> Center Act. In general, the individual must have a certain
>>>>>>     vision loss and
>>>>>>     >>> a hearing loss that,
>>>>>>     >>> combined, cause extreme difficulty in attaining independence
>>>>>>     in daily life
>>>>>>     >>> activities, achieving
>>>>>>     >>> psychosocial adjustment, or obtaining a vocation (working).
>>>>>>     >>> The FCC defines "low income" to mean not more than 400% 
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>     Federal
>>>>>>     >>> Poverty Guidelines, as
>>>>>>     >>> indicated in the following chart:
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> table with 4 columns and 11 rows
>>>>>>     >>> 2013 Federal Poverty Guidelines
>>>>>>     >>> Number of persons in family/household
>>>>>>     >>> 400% for everywhere, except Alaska and Hawaii
>>>>>>     >>> 400% for Alaska
>>>>>>     >>> 400% for Hawaii
>>>>>>     >>> 1
>>>>>>     >>> $45,960
>>>>>>     >>> $57,400
>>>>>>     >>> $52,920
>>>>>>     >>> 2
>>>>>>     >>> 62,040
>>>>>>     >>> 77,520
>>>>>>     >>> 71,400
>>>>>>     >>> 3
>>>>>>     >>> 78,120
>>>>>>     >>> 97,640
>>>>>>     >>> 89,880
>>>>>>     >>> 4
>>>>>>     >>> 94,200
>>>>>>     >>> 117,760
>>>>>>     >>> 108,360
>>>>>>     >>> 5
>>>>>>     >>> 110,280
>>>>>>     >>> 137,880
>>>>>>     >>> 126,840
>>>>>>     >>> 6
>>>>>>     >>> 126,360
>>>>>>     >>> 158,000
>>>>>>     >>> 145,320
>>>>>>     >>> 7
>>>>>>     >>> 142,440
>>>>>>     >>> 178,120
>>>>>>     >>> 163,800
>>>>>>     >>> 8
>>>>>>     >>> 158,520
>>>>>>     >>> 198,240
>>>>>>     >>> 182,280
>>>>>>     >>> For each additional person, add
>>>>>>     >>> $16,080
>>>>>>     >>> $20,120
>>>>>>     >>> $18,480
>>>>>>     >>> table end
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
>>>>>>     >>> (aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm)
>>>>>>     >>> What kind of equipment can be distributed?
>>>>>>     >>> The equipment distributed must be designed to make
>>>>>>     telecommunications
>>>>>>     >>> (such as wireline and
>>>>>>     >>> wireless telephone communication), advanced communications
>>>>>>     (such as
>>>>>>     >>> Internet-based voice
>>>>>>     >>> communication, e-mail, instant messaging and 
>>>>>> interoperable video
>>>>>>     >>> conferencing services), and access
>>>>>>     >>> to the Internet (including information services) accessible.
>>>>>>     The equipment
>>>>>>     >>> distributed may be
>>>>>>     >>> hardware, software or applications, separate or in
>>>>>>     combination, mainstream
>>>>>>     >>> or specialized. The
>>>>>>     >>> equipment must meet the needs of the deaf-blind individual to
>>>>>>     achieve
>>>>>>     >>> access. Certified programs may
>>>>>>     >>> also provide equipment warranties, maintenance, and repairs
>>>>>>     for such
>>>>>>     >>> equipment depending on
>>>>>>     >>> available funding.
>>>>>>     >>> Besides distributing equipment, what will the NDBEDP 
>>>>>> certified
>>>>>>     programs
>>>>>>     >>> do?
>>>>>>     >>> Certified programs will inform their communities about this
>>>>>>     new program to
>>>>>>     >>> distribute equipment to low-
>>>>>>     >>> income residents in their states who are deaf-blind. They 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>     verify that
>>>>>>     >>> applicants are eligible to
>>>>>>     >>> receive equipment. They will assess each applicant's
>>>>>>     communications
>>>>>>     >>> equipment needs to select
>>>>>>     >>> appropriate equipment to meet those needs. They may also help
>>>>>>     install and
>>>>>>     >>> provide training for the
>>>>>>     >>> equipment distributed.
>>>>>>     >>> How do I find the certified program that serves my state?
>>>>>>     >>> Information about how to find the NDBEDP certified program in
>>>>>>     your state
>>>>>>     >>> is available during the on the
>>>>>>     >>> FCC website at
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/national-deaf-blind-equipment-distributi
>>>>>> on-program
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     >>> ,
>>>>>>     >>> by calling 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322) voice or 
>>>>>> 1-888-TELL-FCC
>>>>>>     >>> (1-888-835-5322) TTY, or by
>>>>>>     >>> sending an email to
>>>>>>     >>> dro at fcc.gov. <mailto:dro at fcc.gov.>
>>>>>>     >>> How can I help the NDBEDP be successful?
>>>>>>     >>> list of 4 items
>>>>>>     >>> Tell people about the program.
>>>>>>     >>> Tell the FCC how the NDBEDP helped you or someone you know.
>>>>>>     >>> Tell the FCC how the program can be improved.
>>>>>>     >>> Tell the FCC about new types of technologies that should be
>>>>>>     included for
>>>>>>     >>> distribution.
>>>>>>     >>> list end
>>>>>>     >>> You may also file an informal complaint with the FCC if you
>>>>>>     think someone
>>>>>>     >>> has violated the NDBEDP
>>>>>>     >>> rules. Informal complaints may be filed by calling 
>>>>>> 1-888-CALL-FCC
>>>>>>     >>> (1-888-225-5322) voice or
>>>>>>     >>> 1-888-TELL-FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY; faxing 
>>>>>> 1-866-418-0232, or
>>>>>>     by writing
>>>>>>     >>> to:
>>>>>>     >>> Federal Communications Commission
>>>>>>     >>> Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau
>>>>>>     >>> Consumer Inquiries and Complaints Division
>>>>>>     >>> 445 12th Street, S.W.
>>>>>>     >>> Washington, DC 20554
>>>>>>     >>> For More Information
>>>>>>     >>> For inf
>>>>>>     >>> ormation about other communications issues, visit the FCC?s
>>>>>>     Consumer
>>>>>>     >>> website at
>>>>>>     >>> www.fcc.gov/consumer-governmental-affairs-bureau,
>>>>>>     >>> or contact the FCC?s Consumer Center by
>>>>>>     >>> calling 1-888-CALL-FCC voice or 1-888-TELL-FCC TTY; faxing
>>>>>>     1-866-418-0232;
>>>>>>     >>> or writing to the
>>>>>>     >>> address listed above.
>>>>>>     >>> ###
>>>>>>     >>> For this or any other consumer publication in an 
>>>>>> accessible format
>>>>>>     >>> (electronic ASCII text, Braille, large print
>>>>>>     >>> or audio), please write or call us at the address or phone
>>>>>>     number below,
>>>>>>     >>> or send an email to
>>>>>>     >>> FCC504 at fcc.gov. <mailto:FCC504 at fcc.gov.>
>>>>>>     >>> This document is for consumer education purposes only and is
>>>>>>     not intended
>>>>>>     >>> to affect any proceedings or
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>>>>>>     ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Message: 2
>>>>>>     Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:25:09 -0400
>>>>>>     From: Scott Davert <scottdavert at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:scottdavert at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>     To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:nfb-db at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>     Subject: Re: [nfb-db] CSUN Re: Telecommunications Equipment for
>>>>>>     Deaf-Blind Persons
>>>>>>     Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CAOHXxEY2mnUu06jvFueXPKeMvFodJX281Nzo8cNBqZdLV3ZRqg at mail.gmail.c
>>>>>> om 
>>>>>> <mailto:CAOHXxEY2mnUu06jvFueXPKeMvFodJX281Nzo8cNBqZdLV3ZRqg at mail.
>>>>>> gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Marcha.
>>>>>>     I will know next month whether my proposal has been accepted.
>>>>>> I would
>>>>>>     be presenting with Amy Mason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 10/28/13, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:marsha.drenth at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>     > Scott,
>>>>>>     > When will you hear if you are presenting at CSUn? and if you do
>>>>>>     present, who
>>>>>>     > will you present with from the NFB?
>>>>>>     > Very curious I know...
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > Marsha drenth
>>>>>>     > Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     > On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Scott Davert 
>>>>>> <scottdavert at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:scottdavert at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     >> Hi Randy.
>>>>>>     >> It would seem there is not a lot of outreach going on from 
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>     I can
>>>>>>     >> tell. I have not done outreach for NFB or ACB, but have 
>>>>>> gone to
>>>>>>     a few
>>>>>>     >> places to promote it. I, of course, took an interpreter along,
>>>>>>     because
>>>>>>     >> I have the signing vocabulary of a 6 month old. I know that
>>>>>>     HKNC plans
>>>>>>     >> to send someone to the national AFB conference in Feb, and I
>>>>>>     submitted
>>>>>>     >> a proposal to CSUN to discuss deaf-blindness and some of the
>>>>>>     >> technology used. If accepted, I will be presenting this with a
>>>>>>     member
>>>>>>     >> of the NFB. It will, of course, make mention of the ICC 
>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >> All the best,
>>>>>>     >> Scott
>>>>>>     >>
>>>>>>     >> On 10/27/13, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:marsha.drenth at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>     >>> Randy,
>>>>>>     >>> Ok, just so the point is clear, anyone from the NFB who is
>>>>>>     promoting the
>>>>>>     >>> ICC
>>>>>>     >>> program, is Deafblind. Of course there are other 
>>>>>> organizations
>>>>>>     promoting
>>>>>>     >>> the
>>>>>>     >>> ICC program. And yes some DB persons are not signing DB 
>>>>>> folks.
>>>>>>     Of course
>>>>>>     >>> this by no means that they aren't DB.
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>     >>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:06 PM, "Randy Pope"
>>>>>>     <randy.pope at aadb.org <mailto:randy.pope at aadb.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>     >>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Marsha,
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Sorry for overlooking the last part of your message. I have
>>>>>>     received a
>>>>>>     >>>> few report that the people who are actually doing the
>>>>>>     promotion and
>>>>>>     >>>> education are not DeafBlind. But here is the problem in
>>>>>>     determining if
>>>>>>     >>>> these report are true. These people could be Deafblind but
>>>>>>     cannot sign.
>>>>>>     >>>> In the recent DSA conference, the person sitting in the ICC
>>>>>>     booth, was
>>>>>>     >>>> assuming hearing blind who did not know how to sign.
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> There were a few other situation similar to this situation.
>>>>>>     See where
>>>>>>     >>>> I?m
>>>>>>     >>>> coming from?
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Randy
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>>>     >>>> Drenth
>>>>>>     >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:30 PM
>>>>>>     >>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>>>>>>     >>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Telecommunications Equipment for 
>>>>>> Deaf-Blind
>>>>>>     >>>> Persons
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Mr. Pope,
>>>>>>     >>>> I am not a part of the NFB DB board, but the NFB DB 
>>>>>> division has
>>>>>>     >>>> implement
>>>>>>     >>>> an outreach program to educate state affiliates on 
>>>>>> Deafblindness,
>>>>>>     >>>> resources, and the Icanconnect program. I do believe 
>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>     of those
>>>>>>     >>>> persons who are reaching out to the different states are db
>>>>>>     themselves.
>>>>>>     >>>> Is
>>>>>>     >>>> this what you mean?
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>     >>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Randy Pope"
>>>>>>     <randy.pope at aadb.org <mailto:randy.pope at aadb.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Question: Are there any DeafBlind people assisting in 
>>>>>> the NDBEDP
>>>>>>     >>>> outreach
>>>>>>     >>>> program?
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Randy
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>     <mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of David
>>>>>>     >>>> Andrews
>>>>>>     >>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:16 PM
>>>>>>     >>>> To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>     >>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Telecommunications Equipment for 
>>>>>> Deaf-Blind
>>>>>>     Persons
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> I have been asked to distribute the following.
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Dear David,
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> I have been charged with the outreach program for :I Can
>>>>>>     Connect" in 5
>>>>>>     >>>> states, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA,
>>>>>>     >>>> OKLAHOMA, WASHINGTON and WISCONSIN
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Changing what it means to be blind,
>>>>>>     >>>> Marcus Simmons, President,
>>>>>>     >>>> Wayne County chapter NFBMI
>>>>>>     >>>> 28179 Brentwood
>>>>>>     >>>> Southfield, MI 48076-3069
>>>>>>     >>>> president at map-n.org <mailto:president at map-n.org>
>>>>>>     >>>> (248) 552-8928
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> NDBEDP.pdf
>>>>>>     >>>> Consumer Guide
>>>>>>     >>>> 9
>>>>>>     >>>> National Deaf-Blind Equipment Distribution Program
>>>>>>     >>>> Background
>>>>>>     >>>> The Twenty-First Century Communications and Video
>>>>>>     Accessibility Act of
>>>>>>     >>>> 2010 (CVAA) authorizes the
>>>>>>     >>>> Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to provide funding
>>>>>>     for local
>>>>>>     >>>> programs to distribute
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment to low-income individuals who are ?deaf-blind?
>>>>>> (see
>>>>>>     definition
>>>>>>     >>>> below.) The FCC may use up
>>>>>>     >>>> to $10 million annually from the interstate
>>>>>>     Telecommunications Relay
>>>>>>     >>>> Service fund for this purpose.
>>>>>>     >>>> Pilot Program
>>>>>>     >>>> In 2011, the FCC established the National Deaf-Blind 
>>>>>> Equipment
>>>>>>     >>>> Distribution Program (NDBEDP) as a
>>>>>>     >>>> pilot program. The pilot program has been in effect since
>>>>>>     July 1, 2012,
>>>>>>     >>>> and the FCC may extend the
>>>>>>     >>>> program another year. The pilot program provides valuable
>>>>>>     information
>>>>>>     >>>> that
>>>>>>     >>>> the FCC will use to help
>>>>>>     >>>> develop and implement an effective and efficient permanent
>>>>>>     deaf-blind
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment distribution program.
>>>>>>     >>>> How does the pilot program operate?
>>>>>>     >>>> The FCC selected and certified one entity in each of the 50
>>>>>>     states, plus
>>>>>>     >>>> the District of Columbia, Puerto
>>>>>>     >>>> Rico, and the Virgin Islands, to receive FCC support to
>>>>>>     distribute
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment to low-income individuals
>>>>>>     >>>> who are deaf-blind. The FCC allocated a minimum of
>>>>>> $50,000 to
>>>>>>     each of
>>>>>>     >>>> the
>>>>>>     >>>> 53 certified programs,
>>>>>>     >>>> plus additional funding based on the size of each state's
>>>>>>     population. As
>>>>>>     >>>> a
>>>>>>     >>>> result, states with large
>>>>>>     >>>> populations were allocated larger amounts of funding than
>>>>>>     states with
>>>>>>     >>>> small populations.
>>>>>>     >>>> The FCC also set aside $500,000 each year for the Perkins
>>>>>>     School for the
>>>>>>     >>>> Blind to coordinate outreach
>>>>>>     >>>> to promote this new equipment distribution program 
>>>>>> nationwide.
>>>>>>     >>>> Who is eligible to receive equipment?
>>>>>>     >>>> Under the CVAA, only low-income individuals who are
>>>>>>     deaf-blind are
>>>>>>     >>>> eligible to receive equipment.
>>>>>>     >>>> Applicants must provide verification of their status as
>>>>>>     low-income and
>>>>>>     >>>> deaf-blind.
>>>>>>     >>>> The CVAA requires that the term "deaf-blind" has the same
>>>>>>     meaning given
>>>>>>     >>>> in
>>>>>>     >>>> the Helen Keller National
>>>>>>     >>>> Center Act. In general, the individual must have a certain
>>>>>>     vision loss
>>>>>>     >>>> and
>>>>>>     >>>> a hearing loss that,
>>>>>>     >>>> combined, cause extreme difficulty in attaining independence
>>>>>>     in daily
>>>>>>     >>>> life
>>>>>>     >>>> activities, achieving
>>>>>>     >>>> psychosocial adjustment, or obtaining a vocation (working).
>>>>>>     >>>> The FCC defines "low income" to mean not more than 400% of
>>>>>>     the Federal
>>>>>>     >>>> Poverty Guidelines, as
>>>>>>     >>>> indicated in the following chart:
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> table with 4 columns and 11 rows
>>>>>>     >>>> 2013 Federal Poverty Guidelines
>>>>>>     >>>> Number of persons in family/household
>>>>>>     >>>> 400% for everywhere, except Alaska and Hawaii
>>>>>>     >>>> 400% for Alaska
>>>>>>     >>>> 400% for Hawaii
>>>>>>     >>>> 1
>>>>>>     >>>> $45,960
>>>>>>     >>>> $57,400
>>>>>>     >>>> $52,920
>>>>>>     >>>> 2
>>>>>>     >>>> 62,040
>>>>>>     >>>> 77,520
>>>>>>     >>>> 71,400
>>>>>>     >>>> 3
>>>>>>     >>>> 78,120
>>>>>>     >>>> 97,640
>>>>>>     >>>> 89,880
>>>>>>     >>>> 4
>>>>>>     >>>> 94,200
>>>>>>     >>>> 117,760
>>>>>>     >>>> 108,360
>>>>>>     >>>> 5
>>>>>>     >>>> 110,280
>>>>>>     >>>> 137,880
>>>>>>     >>>> 126,840
>>>>>>     >>>> 6
>>>>>>     >>>> 126,360
>>>>>>     >>>> 158,000
>>>>>>     >>>> 145,320
>>>>>>     >>>> 7
>>>>>>     >>>> 142,440
>>>>>>     >>>> 178,120
>>>>>>     >>>> 163,800
>>>>>>     >>>> 8
>>>>>>     >>>> 158,520
>>>>>>     >>>> 198,240
>>>>>>     >>>> 182,280
>>>>>>     >>>> For each additional person, add
>>>>>>     >>>> $16,080
>>>>>>     >>>> $20,120
>>>>>>     >>>> $18,480
>>>>>>     >>>> table end
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
>>>>>>     >>>> (aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm)
>>>>>>     >>>> What kind of equipment can be distributed?
>>>>>>     >>>> The equipment distributed must be designed to make
>>>>>>     telecommunications
>>>>>>     >>>> (such as wireline and
>>>>>>     >>>> wireless telephone communication), advanced communications
>>>>>>     (such as
>>>>>>     >>>> Internet-based voice
>>>>>>     >>>> communication, e-mail, instant messaging and 
>>>>>> interoperable video
>>>>>>     >>>> conferencing services), and access
>>>>>>     >>>> to the Internet (including information services) 
>>>>>> accessible. The
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment
>>>>>>     >>>> distributed may be
>>>>>>     >>>> hardware, software or applications, separate or in 
>>>>>> combination,
>>>>>>     >>>> mainstream
>>>>>>     >>>> or specialized. The
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment must meet the needs of the deaf-blind 
>>>>>> individual to
>>>>>>     achieve
>>>>>>     >>>> access. Certified programs may
>>>>>>     >>>> also provide equipment warranties, maintenance, and repairs
>>>>>>     for such
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment depending on
>>>>>>     >>>> available funding.
>>>>>>     >>>> Besides distributing equipment, what will the NDBEDP
>>>>>>     certified programs
>>>>>>     >>>> do?
>>>>>>     >>>> Certified programs will inform their communities about this
>>>>>>     new program
>>>>>>     >>>> to
>>>>>>     >>>> distribute equipment to low-
>>>>>>     >>>> income residents in their states who are deaf-blind. They
>>>>>>     will verify
>>>>>>     >>>> that
>>>>>>     >>>> applicants are eligible to
>>>>>>     >>>> receive equipment. They will assess each applicant's
>>>>>>     communications
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment needs to select
>>>>>>     >>>> appropriate equipment to meet those needs. They may also 
>>>>>> help
>>>>>>     install
>>>>>>     >>>> and
>>>>>>     >>>> provide training for the
>>>>>>     >>>> equipment distributed.
>>>>>>     >>>> How do I find the certified program that serves my state?
>>>>>>     >>>> Information about how to find the NDBEDP certified 
>>>>>> program in
>>>>>>     your state
>>>>>>     >>>> is available during the on the
>>>>>>     >>>> FCC website at
>>>>>>     >>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/national-deaf-blind-equipment-distributi
>>>>>> on-program
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     >>>> ,
>>>>>>     >>>> by calling 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322) voice or
>>>>>>     1-888-TELL-FCC
>>>>>>     >>>> (1-888-835-5322) TTY, or by
>>>>>>     >>>> sending an email to
>>>>>>     >>>> dro at fcc.gov. <mailto:dro at fcc.gov.>
>>>>>>     >>>> How can I help the NDBEDP be successful?
>>>>>>     >>>> list of 4 items
>>>>>>     >>>> Tell people about the program.
>>>>>>     >>>> Tell the FCC how the NDBEDP helped you or someone you know.
>>>>>>     >>>> Tell the FCC how the program can be improved.
>>>>>>     >>>> Tell the FCC about new types of technologies that should be
>>>>>>     included for
>>>>>>     >>>> distribution.
>>>>>>     >>>> list end
>>>>>>     >>>> You may also file an informal complaint with the FCC if 
>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>     >>>> someone
>>>>>>     >>>> has violated the NDBEDP
>>>>>>     >>>> rules. Informal complaints may be filed by calling 
>>>>>> 1-888-CALL-FCC
>>>>>>     >>>> (1-888-225-5322) voice or
>>>>>>     >>>> 1-888-TELL-FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY; faxing 
>>>>>> 1-866-418-0232, or by
>>>>>>     >>>> writing
>>>>>>     >>>> to:
>>>>>>     >>>> Federal Communications Commission
>>>>>>     >>>> Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau
>>>>>>     >>>> Consumer Inquiries and Complaints Division
>>>>>>     >>>> 445 12th Street, S.W.
>>>>>>     >>>> Washington, DC 20554
>>>>>>     >>>> For More Information
>>>>>>     >>>> For inf
>>>>>>     >>>> ormation about other communications issues, visit the FCC?s
>>>>>>     Consumer
>>>>>>     >>>> website at
>>>>>>     >>>> www.fcc.gov/consumer-governmental-affairs-bureau,
>>>>>>     >>>> or contact the FCC?s Consumer Center by
>>>>>>     >>>> calling 1-888-CALL-FCC voice or 1-888-TELL-FCC TTY; faxing
>>>>>>     >>>> 1-866-418-0232;
>>>>>>     >>>> or writing to the
>>>>>>     >>>> address listed above.
>>>>>>     >>>> ###
>>>>>>     >>>> For this or any other consumer publication in an accessible
>>>>>>     format
>>>>>>     >>>> (electronic ASCII text, Braille, large print
>>>>>>     >>>> or audio), please write or call us at the address or phone
>>>>>>     number below,
>>>>>>     >>>> or send an email to
>>>>>>     >>>> FCC504 at fcc.gov. <mailto:FCC504 at fcc.gov.>
>>>>>>     >>>> This document is for consumer education purposes only 
>>>>>> and is not
>>>>>>     >>>> intended
>>>>>>     >>>> to affect any proceedings or
>>>>>>     >>>> cases involving this subject matter or related issues.
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