[nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 56, Issue 1
Catherine Miller
guillcat at gmail.com
Thu Sep 5 20:10:22 UTC 2013
Heather and all:
I agree with all the feedback you've received, Heather. But I also have a bit of information to offer which might give you another option. It's a braille transcribing resource and library. They transcribe your document at only 20 cents a braille page. I believe they may produce two copies of every document they transcribe so that they can add it to their lending library to be utilized by other braille readers. I am currently using them for the first time and am finding them very pleasant, professional, and helpful to work with. They can accept your document in many formats, like postal mail, fax, through email, etc. Here is the contact information:
Braille Library and Transcribing Services
Web site: BLTSInc.org
Telephone: 608 233 0222
A look at their Web site shows that they offer other valuable services as well. I believe that if we all jumped in with you, Heather, and found found just one excellent book, handout, or manuscript, we could have it transcribed for you as well as for others who undoubtedly have the same needs.
I congratulate you on the volunteer work you do. I sometimes think that the most valuable work in the world is unpaid in terms of wages or salary. I 'm sure I speak for others on the list when I say that I am honored to have you join us.
Cathy Miller
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> 5. Re: knew to the list (Janice Toothman)
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> 7. Re: knew to the list (Marsha Drenth)
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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 13:04:25 -0500
> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
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> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am taking
> this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind friends and I
> myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if there is a brailled
> manual for the letters! I received several audio books and one braille book
> however, they don't describe how to make the signs! I thought they would
> after all the materials are from a blindness organization! I tried to
> e-mail the Helen Keller foundation and never received a response! I have
> tactile interpreters for in class! However, I don't have anyone who can
> work with me outside of class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat here
> in Austin once! It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf were
> talking amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the deaf-blind
> were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed to help!
> So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our braille
> displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might be a better
> way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found that Iwas the only
> one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least communicate with the deaf
> refugees! I already work with blind refugees, as a volunteer. Thank you,
> Heather Albright
> Heather Albright
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
> contact: voice and text:
> 512-680-3985
> skype: cynterline
> e-mail:
> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu
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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:55:51 -0400
> From: Scott Davert <scottdavert at gmail.com>
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> Hello, Heather.
> I understand some of the frustration you are having. I have gone
> through a lot of similar issues when it comes to deaf-blind meetings
> or social gatherings. As a hard of hearing person, you kind of don't
> fit in anywhere.
> Not to be discouraging, but I was unable to follow an ASL class when I
> tried to take one while completing my master's degree a few years ago.
> I had a one on one interpreter, but it wasn't quite enough. The only
> way I have started to pick up on the art of signing is through 1 on 1
> classes. Which, for a deaf-blind person, can be hard to come by. While
> I know many people who have experienced similar difficulties with such
> classes, I have an acquaintance who is blind and hearing who picked up
> on it all very quickly. She has my envy.
> If you want hard copy braille stuff, you are essentially out of luck,
> but you can certainly load the below info on to your notetaker or
> whatever braille device you're using and see how it works out. Feel
> free to reply with any questions, on or off list.
>
> 73 from New York,
> Scott
>
> A= Make a fist as if knocking on someone?s door. You?ll notice all
> your fingers are closed and your thumb is across on the outside of
> your fingers. Move your thumb to the side of your index finger and
> point your hand up. You have just formed an ?a?.
>
> B= Hold your hand up, palm facing out away from you. Close your 4
> fingers together (this is called a ?closed 5? handshape). Now move
> your thumb so it rests in your palm (this is called a ?closed 4?
> handshape).
>
> C= Start with a closed 5 handshape (remember we just mentioned that in
> the description of B). Now, slightly bend all of your fingers and your
> thumb. It should feel as if you are about to grasp a glass or bottle.
> Be sure to keep your palm facing out away from you.
>
> D= Make a fist like you did at the start of making an ?a?, keeping
> your thumb across the outside of your fingers. Now simply lift your
> pointer finger straight up.
>
> E= Start with making a ?b? handshape. Now bend your fingers so the
> tips of your fingers rest on the side of your thumb.
>
> F= Hold your hand up and spread your fingers apart; this is called an
> ?open 5 hand?. Now touch the tip of your index finger to the tip of
> your thumb. Keep the other fingers spread out.
>
> G= Make a fist. Move your thumb and index finger slightly apart as if
> holding a small object between your thumb and index fingers. Keep the
> other fingers in a fist.
>
> H= This is one of the few handshapes where the palm will not face out
> away from you. Turn the palm in facing your chest and sideways as if
> covering your heart for the Pledge of Allegiance except don?t touch
> your body. Make a ?closed 5? handshape. Now make a fist with all of
> your fingers except your index and middle fingers. Make sure your
> index and middle fingers are touching each other.
>
> I= Make a fist. Now only lift your pinkie all other fingers should
> remain in the fist.
>
> J= Make an ?I?. Keeping the ?I? handshape twist your wrist to the left
> so the tip of your pinkie is pointing to the left. The print letter
> ?j? looks like the shape of a fish hook and that?s the shape you are
> drawing in the air.
> K= Make a fist. Lift up your index and middle fingers. Slightly move
> the middle finger straight but away from you while keeping your index
> finger straight up. Now touch the tip of your thumb to the knuckle of
> the middle finger, nearest your palm.
>
> L= Make a fist. Lift your index and thumb. Your index finger should
> point straight up and your thumb should point to your left. Remember
> if you are learning to fingerspell with your left hand, this is one
> handshape that differs from a right handed person. Index finger still
> points up but your thumb will be pointing to the right. The rest of
> your fingers remain bent in the fist handshape.
>
> M= Make a fist. Move your index, middle and ring fingers so they rest
> over your thumb instead of under it.
>
> N= Make a fist. Move your index and middle fingers so they rest over
> your thumb instead of under it.
> O= Make a ?closed 5? handshape. Bend all your fingers so the tips of
> your fingers touch the tip of your thumb. Try to keep the ?o? round.
> You should be able to fit a small ball into the palm of your hand.
>
> P= Make a ?k?. Bend your wrist downwards so your middle finger is
> pointing down and your index finger is pointing away from you. Make
> sure to keep your thumb on the middle fingers knuckle.
>
> Q= Make a ?g?. Bend your wrist downwards so the tips of the thumb and
> index fingers are pointing down towards the floor.
>
> R= Move your middle finger and put it over your pointer finger (cross
> your fingers) so they are twisted.
>
> S= Make a fist and make sure your thumb is across your other fingers.
>
> T= Make a fist. Place your thumb between your index and middle fingers
> so it's sticking out between them.
>
> U= make a fist and stick only your index and middle fingers up. Keep
> them close together. This is also called a "closed 2" handshape.
>
> V= make a fist and stick only your index and middle fingers up,
> separating them. This is also called an "open 2" handshape.
>
> W= make an "open 5" handshape. Touch thumb to tip of pinkie finger.
> This is also the number 6 in ASL.
>
> X= make a "d" then bend the tip of your index finger. It looks like a "hook".
>
> Y= make a fist, then extend your thumb and pinkie out.
>
> Z= make a "d" then draw a zig zag in the air by moving your hand from
> left to right, then down the the left and back to the right.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/4/13, heather albright <kd5cbl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am taking
>>
>> this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind friends and I
>> myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if there is a brailled
>> manual for the letters! I received several audio books and one braille book
>>
>> however, they don't describe how to make the signs! I thought they would
>> after all the materials are from a blindness organization! I tried to
>> e-mail the Helen Keller foundation and never received a response! I have
>> tactile interpreters for in class! However, I don't have anyone who can
>> work with me outside of class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat here
>>
>> in Austin once! It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf were
>>
>> talking amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the deaf-blind
>>
>> were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed to help!
>> So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our braille
>> displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might be a better
>> way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found that Iwas the only
>> one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least communicate with the deaf
>> refugees! I already work with blind refugees, as a volunteer. Thank you,
>> Heather Albright
>> Heather Albright
>> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
>> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>> contact: voice and text:
>> 512-680-3985
>> skype: cynterline
>> e-mail:
>> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:08:58 -0400
> From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] knew to the list
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> Hi Heather,
> I understand your dilemma. Although I am deaf-blind, I need to learn
> tactile ASL and the only way to take it is through ASL classes, which
> are expensive and I am on a limited income. Plus, since my dual
> disabilities didn't occur until late in life, people in my life don't
> encourage ASL. However, I am real sorry to hear that you had such a
> miserable experience at a deaf-blind meeting. It is through practice
> that we build on our skills that we learned so that we hope to master
> them. This is particularly true when it comes to learning a different
> language. Finding people who are willing to help you, sign S-L-O-W-L-Y
> to you is key to build a solid foundation and your confidence.
>
> That is terrible that HKNC has not responded; I would have thought that
> they had a manual of signs in Braille that described in words how to
> form the signs.
>
> It is awesome that you work with deaf & blind refugees. Are they from
> a particular region, conflict, country?
> Janice
> On 9/4/2013 2:04 PM, heather albright wrote:
>> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am
>> taking this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind
>> friends and I myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if
>> there is a brailled manual for the letters! I received several audio
>> books and one braille book however, they don't describe how to make
>> the signs! I thought they would after all the materials are from a
>> blindness organization! I tried to e-mail the Helen Keller foundation
>> and never received a response! I have tactile interpreters for in
>> class! However, I don't have anyone who can work with me outside of
>> class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat here in Austin once!
>> It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf were talking
>> amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the deaf-blind
>> were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed to
>> help! So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our
>> braille displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might
>> be a better way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found
>> that Iwas the only one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least
>> communicate with the deaf refugees! I already work with blind
>> refugees, as a volunteer. Thank you, Heather Albright
>> Heather Albright
>> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is
>> wrought in our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>> contact: voice and text:
>> 512-680-3985
>> skype: cynterline
>> e-mail:
>> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu <mailto:heather.albright at g.austincc.edu>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:28:53 -0400
> From: Scott Davert <scottdavert at gmail.com>
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] knew to the list
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> Hi Janice.
> The simple truth of the matter is that no such manual exists. So HKSB,
> HKNC, the taskforce on deaf-blindness, or any other resource cannot
> provide something which does not exist. I hope that the text I
> included about formulating the letters of the manual alphabet is
> helpful.
> There are books that you can get which do somewhat of a good job, but
> the first thing you absolutely must master before moving on are the
> handhsapes. I know that Bookshare has a book called signing
> illustrated which offers some textual descriptions, but I'm not sure
> how good it is.
>
> Scott
>
> On 9/4/13, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Heather,
>> I understand your dilemma. Although I am deaf-blind, I need to learn
>> tactile ASL and the only way to take it is through ASL classes, which
>> are expensive and I am on a limited income. Plus, since my dual
>> disabilities didn't occur until late in life, people in my life don't
>> encourage ASL. However, I am real sorry to hear that you had such a
>> miserable experience at a deaf-blind meeting. It is through practice
>> that we build on our skills that we learned so that we hope to master
>> them. This is particularly true when it comes to learning a different
>> language. Finding people who are willing to help you, sign S-L-O-W-L-Y
>> to you is key to build a solid foundation and your confidence.
>>
>> That is terrible that HKNC has not responded; I would have thought that
>> they had a manual of signs in Braille that described in words how to
>> form the signs.
>>
>> It is awesome that you work with deaf & blind refugees. Are they from
>> a particular region, conflict, country?
>> Janice
>> On 9/4/2013 2:04 PM, heather albright wrote:
>>> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am
>>> taking this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind
>>> friends and I myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if
>>> there is a brailled manual for the letters! I received several audio
>>> books and one braille book however, they don't describe how to make
>>> the signs! I thought they would after all the materials are from a
>>> blindness organization! I tried to e-mail the Helen Keller foundation
>>> and never received a response! I have tactile interpreters for in
>>> class! However, I don't have anyone who can work with me outside of
>>> class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat here in Austin once!
>>> It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf were talking
>>> amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the deaf-blind
>>> were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed to
>>> help! So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our
>>> braille displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might
>>> be a better way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found
>>> that Iwas the only one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least
>>> communicate with the deaf refugees! I already work with blind
>>> refugees, as a volunteer. Thank you, Heather Albright
>>> Heather Albright
>>> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is
>>> wrought in our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>>> contact: voice and text:
>>> 512-680-3985
>>> skype: cynterline
>>> e-mail:
>>> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu <mailto:heather.albright at g.austincc.edu>
>>>
>>>
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>>> nfb-db mailing list
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>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:34:18 -0400
> From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] knew to the list
> Message-ID: <52278B3A.9030403 at verizon.net>
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>
> Hi Scott,
> It is just frustrating that a book doesn't exit. But thanks for putting
> that together.
> Janice
> On 9/4/2013 3:28 PM, Scott Davert wrote:
>> Hi Janice.
>> The simple truth of the matter is that no such manual exists. So HKSB,
>> HKNC, the taskforce on deaf-blindness, or any other resource cannot
>> provide something which does not exist. I hope that the text I
>> included about formulating the letters of the manual alphabet is
>> helpful.
>> There are books that you can get which do somewhat of a good job, but
>> the first thing you absolutely must master before moving on are the
>> handhsapes. I know that Bookshare has a book called signing
>> illustrated which offers some textual descriptions, but I'm not sure
>> how good it is.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 9/4/13, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Heather,
>>> I understand your dilemma. Although I am deaf-blind, I need to learn
>>> tactile ASL and the only way to take it is through ASL classes, which
>>> are expensive and I am on a limited income. Plus, since my dual
>>> disabilities didn't occur until late in life, people in my life don't
>>> encourage ASL. However, I am real sorry to hear that you had such a
>>> miserable experience at a deaf-blind meeting. It is through practice
>>> that we build on our skills that we learned so that we hope to master
>>> them. This is particularly true when it comes to learning a different
>>> language. Finding people who are willing to help you, sign S-L-O-W-L-Y
>>> to you is key to build a solid foundation and your confidence.
>>>
>>> That is terrible that HKNC has not responded; I would have thought that
>>> they had a manual of signs in Braille that described in words how to
>>> form the signs.
>>>
>>> It is awesome that you work with deaf & blind refugees. Are they from
>>> a particular region, conflict, country?
>>> Janice
>>> On 9/4/2013 2:04 PM, heather albright wrote:
>>>> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am
>>>> taking this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind
>>>> friends and I myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if
>>>> there is a brailled manual for the letters! I received several audio
>>>> books and one braille book however, they don't describe how to make
>>>> the signs! I thought they would after all the materials are from a
>>>> blindness organization! I tried to e-mail the Helen Keller foundation
>>>> and never received a response! I have tactile interpreters for in
>>>> class! However, I don't have anyone who can work with me outside of
>>>> class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat here in Austin once!
>>>> It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf were talking
>>>> amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the deaf-blind
>>>> were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed to
>>>> help! So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our
>>>> braille displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might
>>>> be a better way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found
>>>> that Iwas the only one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least
>>>> communicate with the deaf refugees! I already work with blind
>>>> refugees, as a volunteer. Thank you, Heather Albright
>>>> Heather Albright
>>>> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is
>>>> wrought in our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>>>> contact: voice and text:
>>>> 512-680-3985
>>>> skype: cynterline
>>>> e-mail:
>>>> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu <mailto:heather.albright at g.austincc.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:38:20 -0400
> From: "M Lucca" <lucca.marisa at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List'" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] knew to the list
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> Hello Heather,
>
>
>
> I am hard-of-hearing as well. Fortunately, I have had fabulous experiences
> learning sign language. I utilized a tactile interpreter during class, and
> the interpreter was very kind to take her time. There were times when I
> could not keep up with the class, and my interpreter stepped outside of her
> role to make sure I signed correctly. During my senior year, I attend
> one-on-one classes at a local interpreting agency, and my teach was
> fantastic. He was a Deaf man with the patience of a saint. I am disturbed to
> learn many interpreters within the Deaf-Blind community do not have the
> professional etiquette to serve their clients, not themselves. I have had
> many encounters with interpreters who displayed unethical and unprofessional
> behavior toward their Deaf-Blind clients, and I no longer tolerate such
> complete disregard.
>
>
>
> As for obtaining Braille copies of signs, I have not seen such
> transcriptions. However, I am located near a library for the blind that
> transcribes books into Braille. I wonder if they would be able to create
> raised versions of hand signs. This may be difficult, though.
>
>
>
> Marisa
>
>
>
> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of heather
> albright
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 2:04 PM
> To: nfb-db at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfb-db] knew to the list
>
>
>
> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am taking
> this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind friends and I
> myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if there is a brailled
> manual for the letters! I received several audio books and one braille book
> however, they don't describe how to make the signs! I thought they would
> after all the materials are from a blindness organization! I tried to
> e-mail the Helen Keller foundation and never received a response! I have
> tactile interpreters for in class! However, I don't have anyone who can
> work with me outside of class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat here
> in Austin once! It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf were
> talking amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the deaf-blind
> were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed to help!
> So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our braille
> displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might be a better
> way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found that Iwas the only
> one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least communicate with the deaf
> refugees! I already work with blind refugees, as a volunteer. Thank you,
> Heather Albright
>
> Heather Albright
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
> contact: voice and text:
> 512-680-3985
> skype: cynterline
> e-mail:
> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu
>
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> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
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> Hi Heather,
> I considered taking an ASL class like your doing, but my fear was that I could not keep up. So currently I am paying a private tutor to learn tactual sign. Here where I live in PA, an interpertor costs about 75 dollars for an hour. But I have worked it out with the few SSP/interpertors that we pay that every two weeks. This is the best way to go, one on one.
> I will be going to HKNC in a few month for training in deaf/hard of hearing skills. i have been blind almost my entire life. So I do not need the blindness skills part.
> When I went for a tour to HKNC back in June, my husband and I asked them the same thing. Is there a braille or text document on how to make and perform the signs? There answer is no, they knew of nothing.
> So when my husband I started learning sign we started this document of how to make the signs and the movements. We are careful to describe for espically the blind, what to do, including the 5 parameters of ASL.
> We are currently up to about 400 signs. Tomorrow we will be starting with a new instructor on our sign lessons, so we will be adding to that document. At some point we would like to offer it to other blind persons who want to know how to sign.
> I am alsdo sorry you had such a bad experience with the DB social. Even though I am now very involved in the DB group here in PA, its a sub group of either the blind or deaf community. Because your HOH you don't exactly fit in either the sighted or hearing, deaf groups.
> I am wondering if your involved with your state affiliate of NFB, if that would be a good way to find other DB persons in Texas. When I lived in Dallas, I didn't have a hearing loss, so I didn't pay attention to the state services for those who are HOH/deaf. But maybe that would not only be a good start to find other DB persons, but maybe finding another person you could connect with to learn sign. And further social events.
> You might look into Texas's SSP program, if they have one at all. Until you really get into the community of DB, can you then connect with other resources and people.
>
> I hope I have made sense? And one last thing, like I said I lived in Texas, specifically Dallas until 2008. your name sounds familiar. But you might know me as Marsha Lindsey, or Marsha marin. If we are long lost aquintances, its great too reconnect again. If we aren't, sorry for mixing you up with someone else.
>
> Marsha drenth
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> On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:04 PM, "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am taking this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind friends and I myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if there is a brailled manual for the letters! I received several audio books and one braille book however, they don't describe how to make the signs! I thought they would after all the materials are from a blindness organization! I tried to e-mail the Helen Keller foundation and never received a response! I have tactile interpreters for in class! However, I don't have anyone who can work with me outside of class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat here in Austin once! It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf were talking amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the deaf-blind were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed to help! So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our braille displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might be a better way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found that Iwas the only one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least communicate with the deaf refugees! I already work with blind refugees, as a volunteer. Thank you, Heather Albright
>> Heather Albright
>> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
>> contact: voice and text:
>> 512-680-3985
>> skype: cynterline
>> e-mail:
>> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu
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> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
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> Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it all! Also thinks for describing the
> letters for me! Today it was all facial expressions to communicate; that
> was interesting! I did run in to another blind student who is in a level
> higher and he told me that he would help me one on one; he goes to the same
> coledge campus! I work with blind and apparently deaf refugees, mostly from
> the middle east and Africa! Smiles, I really have an interesting time
> because I have two or three disabilities, depending on how you look at it!
> I also have MS! And disability is seen as a tabu for people from that part
> of the world! To suddenly land in this country alone, no language and than
> find that you have to work with a disabled person who is relatively
> independent on her own! The first thing they want to know after much
> communication "where is your family... you live alone.... how!" We take so
> much for granted, there was a girl from Somalia, who never went to school
> because she was blind. So she could not communicate or read or do anything
> by herself. Because she was not socialized within that culture, it was hard
> to get a frame of reference to teach her any skills! How do you tell some
> to read a book when they have never seen a book or have used real language
> that has reference to every day conceps. She was 20 years old. Think
> about how you were at 20! Just one extreme example! But, I do some
> connecting to resources to make it easier! Heather
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Heather,
> I considered taking an ASL class like your doing, but my fear was that I
> could not keep up. So currently I am paying a private tutor to learn tactual
> sign. Here where I live in PA, an interpertor costs about 75 dollars for an
> hour. But I have worked it out with the few SSP/interpertors that we pay
> that every two weeks. This is the best way to go, one on one.
> I will be going to HKNC in a few month for training in deaf/hard of hearing
> skills. i have been blind almost my entire life. So I do not need the
> blindness skills part.
> When I went for a tour to HKNC back in June, my husband and I asked them the
> same thing. Is there a braille or text document on how to make and perform
> the signs? There answer is no, they knew of nothing.
> So when my husband I started learning sign we started this document of how
> to make the signs and the movements. We are careful to describe for
> espically the blind, what to do, including the 5 parameters of ASL.
> We are currently up to about 400 signs. Tomorrow we will be starting with a
> new instructor on our sign lessons, so we will be adding to that document.
> At some point we would like to offer it to other blind persons who want to
> know how to sign.
> I am alsdo sorry you had such a bad experience with the DB social. Even
> though I am now very involved in the DB group here in PA, its a sub group of
> either the blind or deaf community. Because your HOH you don't exactly fit
> in either the sighted or hearing, deaf groups.
> I am wondering if your involved with your state affiliate of NFB, if that
> would be a good way to find other DB persons in Texas. When I lived in
> Dallas, I didn't have a hearing loss, so I didn't pay attention to the state
> services for those who are HOH/deaf. But maybe that would not only be a good
> start to find other DB persons, but maybe finding another person you could
> connect with to learn sign. And further social events.
> You might look into Texas's SSP program, if they have one at all. Until you
> really get into the community of DB, can you then connect with other
> resources and people.
>
>
> I hope I have made sense? And one last thing, like I said I lived in Texas,
> specifically Dallas until 2008. your name sounds familiar. But you might
> know me as Marsha Lindsey, or Marsha marin. If we are long lost aquintances,
> its great too reconnect again. If we aren't, sorry for mixing you up with
> someone else.
>
> Marsha drenth
> Sent with my IPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:04 PM, "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello, I am taking my first ASL class at the community college! I am
> taking this course because I want to communicate with my deaf-blind friends
> and I myself have hearing difficulties! I wanted to know if there is a
> brailled manual for the letters! I received several audio books and one
> braille book however, they don't describe how to make the signs! I thought
> they would after all the materials are from a blindness organization! I
> tried to e-mail the Helen Keller foundation and never received a response!
> I have tactile interpreters for in class! However, I don't have anyone who
> can work with me outside of class! I have only been to the deaf-blind chat
> here in Austin once! It was not a pretty nice experience! The sighted deaf
> were talking amongst themselves and the so called interpreters for the
> deaf-blind were talking to themselves ignoring the people they were supposed
> to help! So my friends and I have not been back! We communicate with our
> braille displays on the note-takers for now! But I think there might be a
> better way! I also work with refugees who are deaf and found that Iwas the
> only one who wanted to take ASL so I could at least communicate with the
> deaf refugees! I already work with blind refugees, as a volunteer. Thank
> you, Heather Albright
> Heather Albright
> "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in
> our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
> contact: voice and text:
> 512-680-3985
> skype: cynterline
> e-mail:
> heather.albright at g.austincc.edu
>
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