[nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 60, Issue 15

Scott Davert scottdavert at gmail.com
Wed Jan 29 18:43:55 UTC 2014 

Hi all.
Well, if you have enough hearing or vision to where you can have the
luxery of having personal space, go for it. However, as hearing and
vision decrease, all you have left is touch and smell. I used to also
not like people being too close to me, but I've grown not only
accustomed to it, but now prefer it. Sometimes, whether it's
comfortable or not, you have to force yourself to start adapting to
your dual sensory loss. Is it easy? No, certainly not. But that's life
I'm afraid. Sure, you can decide not to adapt, but you'll have to
suffer the consequences of having a lack of communication. Even if all
you do is use the manual alphabet, if you can't see far enough to read
it with your eyes, and you can't hear far enough to hear a voice, this
is just what has to be done.

Scott

On 1/29/14, The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm going to agree with Marsha here, she did a good job to explain.
> I use protactile with my terps and SSP.  I also use ASL, not fingerspelling
> although I will use it if that is someone's prefered communication method,
> that is no problem for me.
> Usually, there is about maybe a foot of distance between me and my terp,
> maybe. Our knees usually touch, and I use hands, arms, all for
> communication.  Like Marsha said, touch becomes very important if you cannot
> see or hear, because it is hou you gather information, communicate, and
> explore the world.  There is a difference between normal DB touching, and
> weird touching.  And you will know.
> Rox
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Personally for a deafblind person, is like being in a soundless, dark
>> place. Touch is very important for a deafblind person. Again I can only
>> speak from experience here, not expert, is that I have no vision at all,
>> with limited, very little hearing, I want people to touch me. Not in werid
>> ways, but on my arm, hand, shoulder, leg; so that I know they are there.
>> Its that touch that connects me to the world,, gives me information.
>> Without that the information you get by touch, your in a void. In order to
>> learn tactual sign you should be touch each other hands. That is the only
>> way your going to know how to form the signs, especially if you can't see
>> to know how to form the signs.
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:03 AM, April Brown <aprilbrownshade at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Maurice Mines,
>>>
>>>    I know what you mean about personal space.  I don't like anyone within
>>> reaching distance of me. I'd like to know how others can stand to be
>>> touched by people.
>>>
>>>    I tried to learn ASL in college, and failed.  I couldn't see well
>>> enough then. That was two decades ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> April Brown
>>>
>>> Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind.
>>>
>>>
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>>>> 1. A question about learning ASL? (maurice mines)
>>>> 2. Re: A question about learning ASL? (heather albright)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:50:17 -0800
>>>> From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
>>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
>>>> Message-ID: <1A3E10B3-8B70-43BA-93D7-EE3AD5A69824 at icloud.com>
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>>>> Dear list members, I have a question I am enrolled in Munich celebrated
>>>> ESL course, and a question has come up amongst the interpreters and
>>>> myself. How much personal space between the interpreter and myself is
>>>> appropriate? The reason why this is coming up is because I am of course
>>>> new at learning ASL, but I?m also used to keeping an area of personal
>>>> space around myself. Is there any clear dues, and or don?ts? In regards
>>>> to tactile sign language? Since we?re now learning about gender sign and
>>>> some of those signs if one is trying to actually feel what it?s been
>>>> signed certainly invades what becomes it or once personal space, are
>>>> there any good suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> In a completely separate issue is due most of you prefer finger
>>>> spelling? Or just straight ASL? Also since many of us certainly don?t
>>>> see it okay to make it? Sign as opposed to raising one?s eyebrows and
>>>> moving one had the probably is no good way for us to see that? Since
>>>> this is probably not the first email that I?m going to spend with
>>>> questions about learning ASL would it be advisable to take this
>>>> discussion off list?
>>>>
>>>> While in the process of writing this I thought of one more question, I
>>>> believe that going to community events is on my syllabus are there any
>>>> do?s and don?ts regarding depth lines than this all?
>>>>
>>>> My last question is somewhat in the area of our proposed teach act? When
>>>> trying to figure out how to deal with sign language illustrations and
>>>> proper placement of said signs and other textbook based information,
>>>> should we be abdicating for accessible AFL study materials, because from
>>>> the way I?m beginning to figure this out it seems that each institution
>>>> does for oneself what is appropriate? Is this the reality around the
>>>> country? Also has Helen Keller done anything in this area? And last but
>>>> certainly not least asHknc,  done anything in the area of accessible ASL
>>>> study materials? Don?t want to include my official signature file in
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines  Student accessibility aid. Voicemail phone
>>>> 360-524-0791. School/work email address, Maurice.mines at pcc.edu.
>>>>
>>>> I?d like to thank anyone who would like to answer my questions and help
>>>> me out with all of this in advance. Have a great evening?
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:14:10 -0600
>>>> From: "heather albright" <kd5cbl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] A question about learning ASL?
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>>>>
>>>> Well, I took ASL and had to drop it for personal reasons!  But the space
>>>> is
>>>> so your sign interpreters are close enough to communicate with you!  It
>>>> is
>>>> harder the further away you are!  I did not get much help in my classes,
>>>>
>>>> more help was from this list, thank you!  Thinker spelling is not ASL so
>>>> you
>>>> will have to learn the signs eventually in order to speak to someone who
>>>> is
>>>> using ASL.  There is no Braille or audio materials that one can use to
>>>> learn
>>>> ASL, unless someone has come up with them in the past 3 months!  I
>>>> gather
>>>> you cant speak in the class to ask what that person signed and you have
>>>> to
>>>> do it outside of class!  The braille book store has a list of everyday
>>>> signs
>>>> but get this, it is not in braille; the braille book store not having
>>>> something in braille!  And the ASL books in braille from the NLS did
>>>> nothing
>>>> to teach you because, the print pages with the signs were "omitted" from
>>>> the
>>>> braille pages.  So why braille a book on learning ASL signs if you are
>>>> not
>>>> to going to tell you how to make the signs.  Also, Learning Ally's
>>>> readers
>>>> chose not to enlighten us "blind" readers on how to make the signs ,
>>>> even
>>>> though the book said "a guide to learning ASL"  OR "THE DICTIONARY TO
>>>> ASL"
>>>> ETC.  So half of the book is omitted!  HKC as far as I know does not
>>>> have
>>>> braille materials outside of the center and I don't know about within
>>>> the
>>>> center!  I think perkins or Hadley has on sight classes but, the rest of
>>>> the
>>>> blind don't always live near these places.  I find, just my oppinion,
>>>> the
>>>> regular deaf population does not have pacients enough to sit to help
>>>> someone
>>>> who cant see the signs in class.  Not all are like this but, there were
>>>> 20
>>>> students taken ASL here in austin and only 1 is still taking it and they
>>>> are
>>>> failing for the second time because there is no support!  I would try to
>>>>
>>>> make sure you have a good support system at your school that, can work
>>>> with
>>>> you in the class, in the labs and is willing to work with you in the
>>>> deaf
>>>> community!  I would also recommend you to take the 3 times a week
>>>> instead of
>>>> the twice or once a week! Heather
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