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thank you Trish that is really good to know.<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/23/2013 9:26 AM, Patricia
Hubschman wrote:<br>
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face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D">One thing Scott didn’t add.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I’m mentioning it
because <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Montana, I
would <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>guess is
very different than Long Island.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D">I <span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>live on L.I.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
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phenomenal.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I
think HKNC is in Sands Point because it’s residential and
probably safer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
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face="Calibri"><span
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> NFB
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New Roman"">thanks for the information. <br>
at least I'll know what to expect and the truth is here in
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great falls Montana we have a number of areas with no
sidewalks and we also have many parking lots that we
cross. Thanks for your honesty, it is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I’ve been debating whether to reply to this message, since it may be a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">conflict of interest, or I could be accused as such, since I now work<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">at HKNC. However, the below comments are what I experienced as a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">student, and not as someone in my current position working in 2<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">different departments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I would agree with the assessment that HKNC sometimes doesn’t<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">challenge their students enough, and it’s really up to the individual<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to push themselves. I have no problems pushing myself, so I was able<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to thrive in this environment for the most part. As I was fairly<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">adjusted to my blindness skills, most of the focus was placed on<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">compensatory methods for dealing with my hearing loss. For example, a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">street crossing card to facilitate the crossing of streets, a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">vibrating timer to alert me to when something is done cooking, being<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">introduced to the vibracall system for alerts to things like the smoke<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">alarm going off, doorbell, etc. I also learned communication related<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">things as far as getting new hearing aids, methods of using my FM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">system more effectively, etc. But it’s really what you make it. The<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">worst thing you can do is go to HKNC, without specific goals in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Though I’d say it’s best to have specific goals in mind when using any<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">training program if at all possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Also with technology, I was able to try out a lot of the latest<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">braille displays to see what notetaker and/or display I wanted. This<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">was in 2006, so the tech landscape is much different than it was then,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">but I was able to try out several different things currently on the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">market, and figure out what I liked best. HKNC was then able to put in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">a recommendation to my state to get me what I needed to help me<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">complete graduate school after I left here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The other good point about HKNC is that you will get 1 on 1 time with<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">instructors more so than what you’d get at other training facilities.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">In general, group classes are not something HKNC does. For an<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">individual who has both vision and hearing issues, this makes the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">learning process go much more smoothly for a variety of reasons. At<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">least, in my observation and personal experience.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Most training facilities have their good and bad points, HKNC is not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">without it’s bad points. The first is that you really need to not let<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">some of the people treat you like you’re not an adult. Some people,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">myself included as a student, had to put certain people in their<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">place. Part of the reason for this is that there are some students who<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">have other disabilities or lack of social awareness and so they need<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">assistance in this area. Sometimes, certain instructors seem to forget<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">that there are those among us who get along in society and who can<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">take responsibility for ourselves. This is something I’m working with<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">other deaf-blind staff to try and address. Another disadvantage is<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">that HKNC is located in a very isolated area. No sidewalks, no<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">paratransit to take you from HKNC to the nearest town, etc. You can<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">take a cab to get to a place where paratransit will pick you up, or to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">the train station a few miles away where you can go in to the city,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">which is a good travel experience for those needing it. Often times<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">those who teach mobility need more time to do things because they have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to travel further than a facility located in a city. By far, this is a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">terrible place for a rehab agency.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">As for the NFB’s stance on such a place, well, I wouldn’t take any<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">organization’s stance on anything seriously, because they’re not you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">and so they cannot know what is best for you. Only you know that. For<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">example, I know lots of people who go to places like LCB, CCB, or even<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">some sate rehab facilities who find one environment much more suitable<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">than the other. The best you can do is what you are now--- ask<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">questions of others who have been to these various places and decide<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">what would be the best situation for you as a person.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I hope this post is informative, and I hope it helps give you a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">balanced view of things.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On 5/23/13, Kerri Kosten <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kerrik2006@gmail.com"><kerrik2006@gmail.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">First, I want to say I am very disappointed by how many of you have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">been treated at conventions and such by the NFB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I have never had this experience of being treated rudely. I am<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">saddened to learn of this, because I love the NFB, and it's positive<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">philosophy, and I think everyone should be able to enjoy it and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">participate in the organization.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I have a question. I have been selected to attend a leadership seminar<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">at the National center next week. Apparently, htis seminar is for<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">young, up and coming leaders. It is by invitation only, and I was<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">recomended by my state president and so was invited.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">What can I do as a young leader to help combat this problem in the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">federation? It is wrong people are being treated this way and if<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">someone wants to go to convention they should be able to and have full<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">access to the information!! What can I do to help with this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The way people have been treated by federationists is wrong, and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">ridiculous!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Marsha and everyone, please don't give up. The more of us who become<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">leaders and stand up and make our voices heard, the more the NFB will<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">have to wake up and listen. We must not give up. We must make our<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">voices heard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Marsha, as for your question, I just recently attended training. I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">decided to attend LCB because I felt they pushed their students and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">challenged them more than HKNC does. I am not against HKNC, I just<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">didn't think it would push and challenge me the way LCB would. I had a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">very positive experience at LCB, and I learned many techniques for<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">communicating to compensate for my hearing loss. I also learned how to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">get assistance/use a sign to get assistance in crossing streets. They<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">also taught me how to mental map, use the sun, cardinal directions,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">and we worked a ton on communication.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I also wonder what the NFB's position is on HKNC. I wish HKNC pushed<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">and challenged their students the way the NFB centers do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Kerri<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On 5/22/13, Sheila Leigland <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sleigland@bresnan.net"><sleigland@bresnan.net></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">yes, I am exploring the posibility of going to hknc for training. My<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">blindness skills are good but mixed with hearing loss I could use some<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">training.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On 5/22/2013 8:37 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Sheila,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Your exploring the option of going to HKNC for training? Just wanted to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">clarify.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Marsha drenth<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Sent with my IPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On May 22, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Sheila Leigland <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sleigland@bresnan.net"><sleigland@bresnan.net></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">hi marsha I am considering this also for the same reason that you are.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">and we as federationists better wake up and start treating each other<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">with the respect that we claime to deserve and want. I hope to meet you<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">at comvention this year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On 5/21/2013 8:14 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hello Listers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">For the past year I have lost a significant amount of hearing. Last<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">tested I was at a 100DB loss. I have been totally blind for the last<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">10<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">years. as a child I attended a school for the blind. So my blindness<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">skills are good. But now with the loss of my hearing, life has<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">certainly<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">gotten interesting and challenging. I will be the first to say that I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">have been struggling. Currently I am a full time student at a major<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">university pursuing a degree in Social Work. I have one year left.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">So my questions are this, Has anyone on this list been to HKNC? I know<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">the NFB advocates for a blindness skills training center, but that is<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">NOT what i need. my OVR came to and has recommended that I go to HKNC<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">for training. If you have been, I have a whole slue of questions, that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">i'll ask at another point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">What is the NFB's stance on HKNC? This by no means will impact my<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">desicion to go or not to go. I am curious.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I guess a better reason of why I ask the above questions, is that I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">been an NFB member for my entire life, my parents, my grandparents all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">have been in the NFB. my grandparents were around when the two<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">organizations split. I have grown up with the positive philosophy. I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">get<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">it, I truely do. But here I have been thrust into the world of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">deafblindness. Not many people know this yet, as I am working to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">figure<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">things out, I am only begining to be comfortable with expressing my<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">needs to others. I know that is whole another subject on acceptance,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">but<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">that is not my point for this post.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I will relay an experience I had at my last national convention, last<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">year in Dallas. I was in the general session, I got up to go to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">bathroom, found my way out fine. Found the bathroom fine. But when I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">entered the big huge room, I was lost. I asked persons around me where<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">was. People were rude. i said I can't hear. people made fun of me. I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">walked around looking for my state for atleast 15 minutes. I was<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">frustrated, I didn't know which way was to the front or the back of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">room or the way to get out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I tell you all this, because I realized that my ability to hear, my<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">independence was changing. There were other times that I got lost, but<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">people were so rude, so mean. When I expressed that I was hard of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">hearing and totally blind, people did not understand, care, or get it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">In other words I was shunned, looked down upon, made fun of.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Why can't people in the NFB accept persons who are different? Why are<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">us<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">who are deafblind looked down upon? And if confirmed, its just because<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">our blindness skills are lacking. That is not the case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">So do the NFB people look down upon those who go to HKNC? Is there a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">difference in training philosophy? Again I said this won't change my<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">desision to go for training or not. more curious than anything.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Look folks I don't want to argue about this, but I do want answers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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<pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Thank you for reading, and sorry this is so long....<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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