<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>If major city travel relates to your vocational goal somehow, you may be able to get an instructor to go into Manhattan with you. Sands point is a lame area with nothing worth anything for someone who is deaf-blind. Long Islanders may love talking on their cellphones, but can't do so in Sands Point because no towers will reliably get out there. But Port Waington will give you suburbean travel at least. Even a cellphone signal.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 23, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Patricia Hubschman <<a href="mailto:palhub@optonline.net">palhub@optonline.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><link rel="File-List" href="cid:filelist.xml@01CE57C0.3EE18EF0"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">Marsha,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">GDF in <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Smithtown is on Middle Country Rd.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Its surrounded by car <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>dealerships.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I live 2 towns away from Smithtown where GDF is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">My husband works 6 exits West of us on the Long Island Expressway.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>During rush hour, it takes him 45 <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>minutes to get to work.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Of course, you won’t be going near the LIE, unless you’re on a <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Handicapped bus and .<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">HKNC is above a town called Port Washington.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The main roads are one and two lane and chock full of cars.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Long Islanders love cell <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>phones and <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>driving while talking on them attached to their ear, so pedestrians, and I’m sure <span class="SpellE">hKNC</span> staff, tell students to be super duper careful.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Most <span class="SpellE">stret</span> <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>corners have <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>street signs that say no right no red.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>That’s good.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">LI isn’t a big city like Philly, but my personal opinion is that it’s easier to cross streets in Manhattan.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">Sands Point is a hilly area, <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>but I don’t think <span class="SpellE">therea</span> re any stores there, so there probably isn’t as much traffic.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I lived on <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Central LI most of my life, moved out to Eastern <span class="SpellE">lI</span> a few years ago, but have been up to HKNC a few times.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I’m in fact trying to get my case reopened so I can see the <span class="SpellE">audi</span> up there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">Trish<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext"> nfb-db [<a href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Marsha Drenth<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:48 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [nfb-db] HKNC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">trish, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">I live in Philadelphia. I recieved my guide dog from GDF on LI. But can you explain what you mean about phenomenal traffic? Because I live in a big city, I want to travel in a big city with lots of traffic. In other words if I go to HKNC for training, I am assuming I will that type of training because of the traffic already there. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">thanks, <br><br>Marsha drenth <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Sent with my IPhone <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><br>On May 23, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Patricia Hubschman <<a href="mailto:palhub@optonline.net">palhub@optonline.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One thing Scott didn’t add.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I’m mentioning it because<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Montana, I would<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>guess is very different than Long Island.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>live on L.I.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The traffic here is phenomenal.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I think HKNC is in Sands Point because it’s residential and probably safer.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It is a beautiful campus.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Trish</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:windowtext"> nfb-db [<a href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Sheila Leigland<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:45 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [nfb-db] HKNC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">thanks for the information. <br>at least I'll know what to expect and the truth is here in <br>great falls Montana we have a number of areas with no sidewalks and we also have many parking lots that we cross. Thanks for your honesty, it is appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On 5/23/2013 7:05 AM, Scott Davert wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></font></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I’ve been debating whether to reply to this message, since it may be a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">conflict of interest, or I could be accused as such, since I now work<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">at HKNC. However, the below comments are what I experienced as a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">student, and not as someone in my current position working in 2<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">different departments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I would agree with the assessment that HKNC sometimes doesn’t<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">challenge their students enough, and it’s really up to the individual<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to push themselves. I have no problems pushing myself, so I was able<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to thrive in this environment for the most part. As I was fairly<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">adjusted to my blindness skills, most of the focus was placed on<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">compensatory methods for dealing with my hearing loss. For example, a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">street crossing card to facilitate the crossing of streets, a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">vibrating timer to alert me to when something is done cooking, being<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">introduced to the vibracall system for alerts to things like the smoke<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">alarm going off, doorbell, etc. I also learned communication related<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">things as far as getting new hearing aids, methods of using my FM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">system more effectively, etc. But it’s really what you make it. The<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">worst thing you can do is go to HKNC, without specific goals in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Though I’d say it’s best to have specific goals in mind when using any<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">training program if at all possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Also with technology, I was able to try out a lot of the latest<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">braille displays to see what notetaker and/or display I wanted. This<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">was in 2006, so the tech landscape is much different than it was then,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">but I was able to try out several different things currently on the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">market, and figure out what I liked best. HKNC was then able to put in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">a recommendation to my state to get me what I needed to help me<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">complete graduate school after I left here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The other good point about HKNC is that you will get 1 on 1 time with<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">instructors more so than what you’d get at other training facilities.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">In general, group classes are not something HKNC does. For an<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">individual who has both vision and hearing issues, this makes the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">learning process go much more smoothly for a variety of reasons. At<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">least, in my observation and personal experience.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Most training facilities have their good and bad points, HKNC is not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">without it’s bad points. The first is that you really need to not let<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">some of the people treat you like you’re not an adult. Some people,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">myself included as a student, had to put certain people in their<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">place. Part of the reason for this is that there are some students who<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">have other disabilities or lack of social awareness and so they need<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">assistance in this area. Sometimes, certain instructors seem to forget<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">that there are those among us who get along in society and who can<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">take responsibility for ourselves. This is something I’m working with<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">other deaf-blind staff to try and address. Another disadvantage is<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">that HKNC is located in a very isolated area. No sidewalks, no<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">paratransit to take you from HKNC to the nearest town, etc. You can<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">take a cab to get to a place where paratransit will pick you up, or to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">the train station a few miles away where you can go in to the city,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">which is a good travel experience for those needing it. Often times<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">those who teach mobility need more time to do things because they have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">to travel further than a facility located in a city. By far, this is a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">terrible place for a rehab agency.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">As for the NFB’s stance on such a place, well, I wouldn’t take any<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">organization’s stance on anything seriously, because they’re not you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">and so they cannot know what is best for you. Only you know that. For<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">example, I know lots of people who go to places like LCB, CCB, or even<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">some sate rehab facilities who find one environment much more suitable<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">than the other. The best you can do is what you are now--- ask<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">questions of others who have been to these various places and decide<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">what would be the best situation for you as a person.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I hope this post is informative, and I hope it helps give you a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">balanced view of things.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On 5/23/13, Kerri Kosten <a href="mailto:kerrik2006@gmail.com"><kerrik2006@gmail.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi Everyone:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">First, I want to say I am very disappointed by how many of you have<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">been treated at conventions and such by the NFB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I have never had this experience of being treated rudely. I am<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">saddened to learn of this, because I love the NFB, and it's positive<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">philosophy, and I think everyone should be able to enjoy it and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">participate in the organization.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I have a question. I have been selected to attend a leadership seminar<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">at the National center next week. Apparently, htis seminar is for<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">young, up and coming leaders. It is by invitation only, and I was<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">recomended by my state president and so was invited.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">What can I do as a young leader to help combat this problem in the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">federation? It is wrong people are being treated this way and if<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">someone wants to go to convention they should be able to and have full<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">access to the information!! What can I do to help with this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The way people have been treated by federationists is wrong, and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">ridiculous!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Marsha and everyone, please don't give up. The more of us who become<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">leaders and stand up and make our voices heard, the more the NFB will<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">have to wake up and listen. We must not give up. We must make our<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">voices heard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Marsha, as for your question, I just recently attended training. I<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">decided to attend LCB because I felt they pushed their students and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">challenged them more than HKNC does. I am not against HKNC, I just<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">didn't think it would push and challenge me the way LCB would. I had a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">very positive experience at LCB, and I learned many techniques for<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">communicating to compensate for my hearing loss. I also learned how to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">get assistance/use a sign to get assistance in crossing streets. They<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">also taught me how to mental map, use the sun, cardinal directions,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">and we worked a ton on communication.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I also wonder what the NFB's position is on HKNC. 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