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hi marsha I was at the convention and I also noticed what you did
but didn't know why or the individual was deafblind. I was a little
confused as to what was going on.<br>
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<div>All,</div>
<div>This will be my last message on the topic, as my message has
been completely misunderstood. </div>
<div>I said I was upset that the alaska person was not given the
time to communicate to the convention floor. I did not say that
Dr. Mauer was not supportive of the deafblind. yes they might
not understand. I also said it upset as in like a personal
emotion. I do think this is my opinion, and my right to feel
that way. I also stated that I was not at the convention, so my
obversations were from only listening to the stream. </div>
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<div>I also think being positive is important, but unless there is
constructive conversation there is not growth. I will keep my
opinions and experiences to myself. </div>
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<div>Thank you, <br>
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Marsha drenth
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<div> Hello All:</div>
<div> I have seen some very strong opinions on here in the
last couple of days. While we encourage every one to
express their opinions openly here on the list, I would
like to caution every one to be careful not to become
negative or point fingers at any one who may be on or off
this list. Please do not talk negatively about our NFB
President, any of our leaders,members, or any of our
Centers. Please also try not to assume or guess their
opinions on certain topics with out hearing it directly
from them. We must be respectful of our leaders and of
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<div> I personally do not believe that Dr. Maurer or any
one else in the Federation thinks negative of the
Deaf-Blind in any way. In fact, I believe the opposite is
quite true. The National Federation of the Blind has been
very supportive of the Deaf-Blind Division and their
needs. Mark Riccobono has been very careful to make sure
that we have had accommodations at every national
convention to the best of his ability. All of the centers
will accommodate the needs of the Deaf-Blind and any one
else who has special needs. </div>
<div> The NFB Leaders, the Deaf-Blind, and indeed the SSP's
themselves may not fully understand the role of the SSP.
It is up to us to educate as well as advocate for our
needs, both individually and for the Deaf-Blind as a
whole. After all, the NFB is the blind speaking for
themselves - and that includes the Deaf-Blind. </div>
<div> Let us be careful to keep the list positive,
encouraging, and supportive of one another, and of the
Federation. If you have an issue please take it to the
appropriate party such as your chapter or affiliate
president or Dr. Maurer's office. If the issue is
relating to the Deaf-Blind Division or Deaf-Blind concerns
please contact Joe Naulty, myself, Marcus, Janice,
Burnell, Cathy, or Matthew. We would be glad to address
any concerns that you might have. We are always here for
you and will be happy to listen to your concern. If you
don't have our contact information simply post a message
here letting us know you would like to speak to us and one
of us will contact you. </div>
<div> God bless each of you and may the Deaf-Blind division
and the federation continue to grow and continue to work
to change what it means to be blind - and Deaf-Blind. </div>
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<div>Best Regards,</div>
<div>Tracie Inman</div>
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I guess I've a few things to say in response to your
message one you assert that anyone who is gone through
and into the center, and/or is currently in one is
functioning at a higher level than anyone else? I
guess let me state a thought that I have always held I
am certainly not a super blind person. I am a person
who just so happens to be blind and although able to
hear depending on the situation less, or more of what
is going on around me. I view it is up to me, to
explain to people around me and/or with me what I do
and don't wish, or need in the way of assistance. I
also remember when I lived in Colorado a fairly
lengthy discussion about paratransit versus using the
fixed route system. The reason why I am mentioning
this instance here is to show that not everyone in the
NFC believes that independence must trump everything
even when there is the risk of harm to oneself. I was
at a deaf blind seminar and Diane McGeorge stated that
it's really up to us whether we feel comfortable with
the fixed route bus system or paratransit depending on
if we can hear the route or not and whether we feel
safe in taking that particular route. I guess sitting
through that conversation made me feel a whole lot
more comfortable with taking their transit these days
in many instances as opposed to the fixed route system
since I can only hear very well on one side. For
instance if the traffic is going with where I have the
most hearing and it's probably going to be in a
straight line and the bus goes where I am going to go
anyway that I'll probably take the fixed route system
but if I'm going to a place where the means of getting
there has the traffic on the site that I'm quite
nearly deaf on I will certainly take the paratransit
option. I guess what I'm trying to get at here is
independence is what you decide it is to you and for
your circumstances. And as to speak to your comments
regarding into the training centers and a graduate of
the Colorado Center for the blind. And sure when I was
there some things needed to be modified to accommodate
the situation that my hearing can put me in and those
on modifications were pretty much done on a
case-by-case basis. I think if you attend any of these
center it's up to you to explain what you do need and
what you don't need in terms of modifying the activity
that you're doing yes even if he does promote
independence strongly but I don't think anyone looks
down on anyone if they have to do something in a
different way based on being deaf blind. So simply
saying that there are lower-level functioning people
in higher-level functioning people I would take some
issue with that don't sell yourself short? At least
find a way to safely try something and see if it will
work for you before automatically assuming that it is
not possible. Just my two cents worth. Let me finish
my email post up this way if you have questions about
what NSB centers can, and cannot accommodate wind out
how to contact all three of them and talk to their
directors at least from what I know in Colorado Julie
Deaton is happy to talk with prospective students
need. And I don't think based on what I've heard that
the director of blinding and/or the Louisiana Center
does things any differently. I hope this helps? All we
can do is continue reaching out to each other and
asking the questions and see what the answers
are.Sincerely Maurice mines secretary national
Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County
chapter. Amateur radio call sign kd0iko. Phone
360-524-0791.<br>
On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Marsha Drenth <<a
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> Danielle, <br>
> I am very glad to hear that mentors were so
accomendating. I also think its great that you had
fellow scholarship winners help. I am sure its a huge
honor for you to have won a scholarship. <br>
> <br>
> I guess I am sstill a little leary. Here is the
dilemna, the NFB promotes independence. How does a
deafblind person who has to use the services of an
SSP? does the NFB consider this as independent? In
their defination, a deafblind person like that would
not be independent, because that person was relying on
the assistance of a SSP. Now I don't think it should
be this way. See for some reason I am easily to say
that because a person who has a moderator hearing
loss, can still just be a blind person. But a person
who is profoundly hearing impaired, is deafblind. In
this case deafblind has a negative meaning. Because we
are lower, we are not as independent, because we are
not just a blind person, because we might need help
from an SSP. Just like in any disablity group there
are different levels. Blind persons who go to the NFB
centers, are considered to be the upper level of blind
people. Blind people who do not, of course then do not
have the same training, or Ie Independence, whether or
not that person neds to go to a NFB center, but
because of all that, that person is lower on the
chain. Because a deafblind person has different
abilities, needs to use different techniques, is not
just a blind person, nor can go to a NFB center, that
person is lower on the chain. Granted I am talking
about those of us who are severely to profoundlly
deaf, who need assistances more than just someone
repeating speech. This same thing happens in the other
disabled community. If you have one leg amputation, is
considered to be more of a person, than a person who
who must use a wheelchair because of a double
amputation. Again, don't get me wrong, I do not think
it should be this way. I am stating obversations, and
my own opinion only. I think its these levels we
should be breaking down. <br>
> <br>
> This is all way way beyound the fact that I won't
ever win a scholarship, because again, in the eyes of
the NFB I am not worthy. <br>
> <br>
> Marsha drenth <br>
> Sent with my IPhone <br>
> <br>
> On Jul 15, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Danielle Burton <<a
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>> Hi, Marsha. My name's Danielle burton. I'm
one of the deaf-blind scholarship winners. I'm not
sure who the other one was unless they were
mistakenough and seen me a couple times. I am totally
blind with mild hearing loss in my left ear and
moderate in my right. I wear hearing aids for both
ears. I do not use sign or an SSP but during
Convention sometimes my friend who was also a
scholarship winner would have to repeat what was being
said because the speaker was too far away from me.
Also, when I was with my mentors I would explain that
they needed to stay close to me because I wouldn't
hear them in crowds. They were all very understanding
and we would minstly stay in contact with each other
while using canes. They also made a point to find
places that were quieter to eat so that I could hear
better. <br>
>> <br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
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>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Marsha Drenth
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wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> Janice,<br>
>>> I am so very very hapy to hear about
this. I remember hearing on the stream of the general
session that Alaska, was deafblind. I also noticed
that Dr. Mauer was not very nice in giving the ALaska
person to respond. This made me mad. How
inconsiderate. I know of 4 federationists in my state
who are DB, I know of other DB people, who are not
NFB'ers too. I am glad that the search for more DB
persons is being done. I am curious about the
scholarship winners, who were the DB winners? How much
or little hearing did they have? Did they need an SSp?
I wonder if a person who was totally blind and deaf,
who required an SSP would be given the chance to be a
scholarship winner. I also wonder if there is some
discimination in the scholarship process in this
regard. <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Marsha drenth <br>
>>> Sent with my IPhone <br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Janice
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