<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit, and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth. Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,, which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or the professional side?<div><br></div><div>Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, <a href="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu">Maurice.mines@PCC.edu</a><br><div><div>On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <<a href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Hi Heather.<br>
Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind
communicator? It is or you have a DBC then you can ask your
questions on the DBC/notetaker and the sighted ASL partner could
read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille
Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person can read the
question/comment and then type their response either your Qwerty or
Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a
Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you
with this technology.<br>
Janice<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright
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<div><font size="5">I am taking the course in a class room where
my professor is deaf and does not speak! So I have a note
taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf <font size="3">interpreters
who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the
signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a
classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying, the one
who reads the board! That is in the classroom. We have to
have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to show our
signing and you have to watch the videos to get the
infromation to be able to make your signing videos with
quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask questions
or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed
to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their
making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL
program here! For example, I go to the lab today
for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id and some how
find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the
signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching
videos, they will be signing to me and I have to guess what
their trying to convey to me! I understand not wating to
use spoken language but everyone is learning through their
eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them
the sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille
book and no way to understand the tactile signs because I
cant ask what their signing to me! Any ideas? Heather </font></font>-----
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" title="steve.jacobson@visi.com" href="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com">Steve Jacobson</a> </div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab</div>
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Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting
the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as <br>
though there must be something that could be worked out with the
instructor to signal when you don't get something without <br>
speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any
blind person taking a course like this.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
<br>
Steve Jacobson<br>
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br>
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>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any
questions or ask <br>
>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be
asked to leave <br>
>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than
three times, I <br>
>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book
with all the <br>
>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in
the lab! I <br>
>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it,
how can you use <br>
>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do?
I have two <br>
>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign
language at all. I <br>
>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better
method of <br>
>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to
teach someone <br>
>English!<br>
>----- Original Message ----- <br>
>From: RJ Sandefur<br>
>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>
>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>
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>Hay I don't see any problem<br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: heather albright<br>
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>
> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>
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> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They
said I cant <br>
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So
if I don't get <br>
>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA
because, I won't <br>
>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me
leave, they said I <br>
>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I
am blind and <br>
>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So
how can a <br>
>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking
ASL? Heather<br>
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