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<DIV><FONT size=5>Yes, they said that I have to follow the rules of the
lab! They did not even want me to take the ASL class in the OSD
office! I was going to bring my mom as my reader because DARS is not
providing me reader services because, I already have a degree. But OSD
said she could not be my reader but I don't have the money to hirer one myself
without DARS help. </FONT><FONT size=3>I have to CHOOSE either a reader or
an interpreter , I cant have both! I will find out today! I was
taking ASL for myself but it is proving rather stressful which is not good for
my MS! If I have to much stress today, I will have to drop the
course! I cant walk if I get to stresse because my mussles git
really tite and weak! I will try to stay because, I need it for myself and
my tactile interpreters in class are doing there best! Heather -----
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=kd0iko@icloud.com href="mailto:kd0iko@icloud.com">maurice mines</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nfb-db@nfbnet.org href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">NFB
Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:45 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if
you have to watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with
the person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit,
and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the classroom,
and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to hopefully help you
out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor agree upon, then I
think you guys can come up with something that is workable. the problem Janice
is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a braille notetaker in place
currently correct? So I think she'd have to find someplace where she can speak.
Because I'm going to assume that her primary issue is blindness at this point?
So demanding that she not speak, I think would not be an appropriate thing to
ask based on blindness. The professor needs to understand that. If the school
doesn't get it then there are other things she can do and probably should be
doing. Just my two cents worth. Another resource of course is the national
student's email list. Perhaps some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming
across as being someone on the radical side of things, it's only because I have
had to fight some of these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself
going back into a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled
student services office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues
like this,, which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student
side or the professional side?
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<DIV>Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark
County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, <A
href="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu">Maurice.mines@PCC.edu</A><BR>
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<DIV>On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <<A
href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</A>>
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<DIV bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Hi Heather.<BR>Is your Braille notetaker
set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is or you have a DBC then
you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and the sighted ASL partner
could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille
Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person can read the
question/comment and then type their response either your Qwerty or Braille
keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a Bluetooth
connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this
technology.<BR>Janice<BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=5>I am taking the course in a class room where my professor
is deaf and does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the
board, and two deaf <FONT size=3>interpreters who sign to me what the
professor saying and showing me the signs! I don't speak with them I
just guess, sometimes a classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying,
the one who reads the board! That is in the classroom. We have
to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to show our signing and you
have to watch the videos to get the infromation to be able to make your
signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask
questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed to
use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their making this
really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For
example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with
my id and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn
the signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos,
they will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey
to me! I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is
learning through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling
them the sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and
no way to understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing
to me! Any ideas? Heather </FONT></FONT>----- Original Message
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=steve.jacobson@visi.com href="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Steve Jacobson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nfb-db@nfbnet.org href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you
getting the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as
<BR>though there must be something that could be worked out with the
instructor to signal when you don't get something without
<BR>speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any
blind person taking a course like this.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Steve
Jacobson<BR><BR>On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright
wrote:<BR><BR>>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any
questions or ask <BR>>about a sign or how to make the sign! They
said I will be asked to leave <BR>>and cant come back till the next
day! If I do it more than three times, I <BR>>am band from the lab
for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the <BR>>signs or
see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I
<BR>>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can
you use <BR>>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should
you do? I have two <BR>>tactile interpreters signing to me with me
know any sign language at all. I <BR>>only get 5 percent of what their
saying! Is there a better method of <BR>>teaching me? Even people
taking ESL use their language to teach someone <BR>>English!<BR>>-----
Original Message ----- <BR>>From: RJ Sandefur<BR>>To: NFB Deaf-Blind
Division Mailing List<BR>>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18
PM<BR>>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<BR><BR><BR>>Hay I
don't see any problem<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: heather albright<BR>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind
Division Mailing List<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13
PM<BR>> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<BR><BR><BR>>
Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I
cant <BR>>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak!
So if I don't get <BR>>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that
not against ADA because, I won't <BR>>have equal access to the lab! If I
speak they can make me leave, they said I <BR>>can go to another room
but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and <BR>>if I
cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a
<BR>>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking
ASL?
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