<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hello: I taught American Sign Language, and as a teacher I can tell you students are required to go to the lab to work on their skills. I am also Deaf-Blind and I am now losing most of my sight. My daughter is also Deaf-Blind and she uses tactile. Our vision does not excuse us from practicing in a visual environment. I know it is not easy. Hang in there. Here is some ways you can improve your situation. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>1. Ask your teacher to assign you a partner. Then meet with the partner outside of the lab/class and practice the signs together. Practice reading their signs and have them practice reading yours.
The more you practice, the easier it becomes.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>2. Ask for a tutor. Your tutor can work with you outside the lab as well as inside the lab. Again, practice is your key word. The more you work at it, the easier it becomes. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>3. Ask the college/school to provide you with an interpreter. While you can not use voice in the class room or in the lab, they can translate into your hands all that is going on around you, including but not limited to conversation. There is new training for Deaf-Blind interpreters and they are being taught to convey visual information, emotions, body
language, etc to the Deaf-Blind individual. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;"> Some things to know. Your interpreter can not speak or advocate on your behalf. Neither can an SSP. You must do all advocacy and speaking on your own. They can voice for you if you can not speak, but they can not speak on your behalf. They are only to act as a facilitator of communication. Good luck. I hope things get better for you. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Courier New', courier,
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(Janice Toothman)<br> 4. Re: rules in the ASLlab (maurice mines)<br> 5. Re: rules in the ASLlab (heather albright)<br> 6. Re: rules in the ASLlab (heather albright)<br> 7. Re: rules in the ASLlab (Scott Davert)<br> 8. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)<br> 9. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)<br> 10. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)<br> 11. Re: rules in the ASLlab (M Lucca)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:53:16 -0500<br>From: "Steve Jacobson" <<a ymailto="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com" href="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com">steve.jacobson@visi.com</a>><br>To: "NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List" <<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>Message-ID: <<a
ymailto="mailto:auto-000013782445@mailback3.g2host.com" href="mailto:auto-000013782445@mailback3.g2host.com">auto-000013782445@mailback3.g2host.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as <br>though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor to signal when you don't get something without <br>speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind person taking a course like this.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Steve Jacobson<br><br>On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br><br>>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask <br>>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave <br>>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I
<br>>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the <br>>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I <br>>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use <br>>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two <br>>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I <br>>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of <br>>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone <br>>English!<br>>----- Original Message ----- <br>>From: RJ Sandefur<br>>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>>Hay I don't see any problem<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: heather albright<br>> To:
NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant <br>>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get <br>>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't <br>>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I <br>>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and <br>>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a <br>>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br><br><br><br>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> nfb-db mailing
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Division Mailing List" <<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:28ACD9D43DC1463F890EB32282F31C60@supersystem" href="mailto:28ACD9D43DC1463F890EB32282F31C60@supersystem">28ACD9D43DC1463F890EB32282F31C60@supersystem</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does <br>not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf <br>interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the <br>signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will <br>tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in <br>the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to <br>show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get
the infromation to <br>be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you <br>cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your <br>not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their <br>making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For <br>example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id <br>and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the <br>signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they <br>will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! <br>I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning <br>through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the <br>sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to <br>understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their
signing to me! <br>Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message ----- <br>From: Steve Jacobson<br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the <br>information being conveyed in general? It would seem as<br>though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor <br>to signal when you don't get something without<br>speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind <br>person taking a course like this.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Steve Jacobson<br><br>On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br><br>>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask<br>>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave<br>>and cant come back till the next day!
If I do it more than three times, I<br>>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the<br>>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I<br>>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you <br>>use<br>>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two<br>>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I<br>>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of<br>>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone<br>>English!<br>>----- Original Message ----- <br>>From: RJ Sandefur<br>>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>>Hay I don't see any problem<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From:
heather albright<br>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant<br>>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't <br>>get<br>>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't<br>>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said <br>>I<br>>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and<br>>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a<br>>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br><br><br><br>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br>>
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href="mailto:5239CE78.9000403@verizon.net">5239CE78.9000403@verizon.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<br><br>Hi Heather.<br>Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? <br>It is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the <br>DBC/notetaker and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the <br>tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen <br>in which the sight person can read the question/comment and then type <br>their response either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can <br>pair it with a Iphone using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect <br>program can provide you with this technology.<br>Janice<br>On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:<br>> I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and <br>> does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and
<br>> two deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and <br>> showing me the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes <br>> a classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads <br>> the board! That is in the classroom. We have to have lab hours in <br>> the ASL lab making videos to show our signing and you have to watch <br>> the videos to get the infromation to be able to make your signing <br>> videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask <br>> questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed <br>> to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their making this <br>> really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For <br>> example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with <br>> my id and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to <br>> learn
the signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching <br>> videos, they will be signing to me and I have to guess what their <br>> trying to convey to me! I understand not wating to use spoken <br>> language but everyone is learning through their eyes by seeing the <br>> signs and seeing the book telling them the sign! I have nothing <br>> telling me anything, no braille book and no way to understand the <br>> tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! Any ideas? <br>> Heather ----- Original Message -----<br>> *From:* Steve Jacobson <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com" href="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com">steve.jacobson@visi.com</a>><br>> *To:* NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>><br>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br>>
*Subject:* Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>><br>> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the <br>> information being conveyed in general? It would seem as<br>> though there must be something that could be worked out with the <br>> instructor to signal when you don't get something without<br>> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any <br>> blind person taking a course like this.<br>><br>> Best regards,<br>><br>> Steve Jacobson<br>><br>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br>><br>> >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions <br>> or ask<br>> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to <br>> leave<br>> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three <br>> times, I<br>> >am band from the lab for 2
weeks! But I cant read the book with all the<br>> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I<br>> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can <br>> you use<br>> >it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two<br>> >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at <br>> all. I<br>> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of<br>> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone<br>> >English!<br>> >----- Original Message -----<br>> >From: RJ Sandefur<br>> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>><br>><br>> >Hay I don't see any problem<br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>>
> From: heather albright<br>> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>><br>><br>> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I <br>> cant<br>> >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I <br>> don't get<br>> >something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I <br>> won't<br>> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they <br>> said I<br>> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am <br>> blind and<br>> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a<br>> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br>><br>><br>><br>>
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href="mailto:2A76112C-3769-473C-AED5-259ABDB2F78F@icloud.com">2A76112C-3769-473C-AED5-259ABDB2F78F@icloud.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit, and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that
she not speak, I think would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth. Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,, which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or the professional side?<br><br>Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, <a
ymailto="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu" href="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu">Maurice.mines@PCC.edu</a><br>On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <<a ymailto="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net" href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Hi Heather.<br>> Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person can read the question/comment and then type their response either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this technology.<br>> Janice<br>> On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:<br>>> I am taking the
course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id and some how find the person to whom I will be working
with to learn the signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----<br>>> From: Steve Jacobson<br>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>>> <br>>> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as <br>>> though there must be something that could be worked out with the
instructor to signal when you don't get something without <br>>> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind person taking a course like this.<br>>> <br>>> Best regards,<br>>> <br>>> Steve Jacobson<br>>> <br>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br>>> <br>>> >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask <br>>> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave <br>>> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I <br>>> >am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the <br>>> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I <br>>> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use <br>>> >it! If you
cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two <br>>> >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I <br>>> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of <br>>> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone <br>>> >English!<br>>> >----- Original Message ----- <br>>> >From: RJ Sandefur<br>>> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>>> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> >Hay I don't see any problem<br>>> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>>> > From: heather albright<br>>> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>>> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in
the ASLlab<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant <br>>> >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get <br>>> >something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't <br>>> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I <br>>> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and <br>>> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a <br>>> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>>
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href="mailto:9F2CDAE7E1EA454AB8B6A68E1F002343@supersystem">9F2CDAE7E1EA454AB8B6A68E1F002343@supersystem</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>No my braille note is about 8 years old and it does not even connect to my <br>pc that has win7! I wanted a HIMS notetaker but I don't have the funding to <br>buy one! And there located in Austin just down the road from my house! I <br>was going to apply for a loan from BNA to get one because, my braillenote is <br>so old! I do have an eyephone 4s! I think that would help me text better, <br>sometimes I cant here the text when there is to much noise, even when the <br>volume is the highest! I heard about the i can connect program, I don't <br>think I qualify for the program! It sounds like a good program for those <br>who really need it! I hope the government keeps it up longer than the <br>trial! Heather<br>----- Original Message -----
<br>From: Janice Toothman<br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:02 AM<br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>Hi Heather.<br>Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is <br>or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and <br>the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I <br>know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person <br>can read the question/comment and then type their response either your <br>Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a <br>Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this <br>technology.<br>Janice<br><br>On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:<br><br> I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does <br>not speak! So I have a note taker, a
reader for the board, and two deaf <br>interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the <br>signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will <br>tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in <br>the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to <br>show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to <br>be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you <br>cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your <br>not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their <br>making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For <br>example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id <br>and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the <br>signs, without ever speaking at
all! So if we are watching videos, they <br>will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! <br>I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning <br>through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the <br>sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to <br>understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! <br>Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message ----- <br> From: Steve Jacobson<br> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the <br>information being conveyed in general? It would seem as<br> though there must be something that could be worked out with the <br>instructor to signal when you don't get
something without<br> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind <br>person taking a course like this.<br><br> Best regards,<br><br> Steve Jacobson<br><br> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br><br> >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or <br>ask<br> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave<br> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, <br>I<br> >am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the<br> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I<br> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you <br>use<br> >it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two<br> >tactile
interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. <br>I<br> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of<br> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone<br> >English!<br> >----- Original Message ----- <br> >From: RJ Sandefur<br> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br> >Hay I don't see any problem<br> > ----- Original Message ----- <br> > From: heather albright<br> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I <br>cant<br>
>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't <br>get<br> >something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I <br>won't<br> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they <br>said I<br> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind <br>and<br> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a<br> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br><br><br><br> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > nfb-db mailing list<br> > <a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a><br> > <a
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not <br>even want me to take the ASL class in the OSD office! I was going to bring <br>my mom as my reader because DARS is not providing me reader services <br>because, I already have a degree. But OSD said she could not be my reader <br>but I don't have the money to hirer one myself without DARS help. I have to <br>CHOOSE either a reader or an interpreter , I cant have both! I will find <br>out today! I was taking ASL for myself but it is proving rather stressful <br>which is not good for my MS! If I have to much stress today, I will have to <br>drop the course! I cant walk if I get to stresse because my mussles git <br>really tite and weak! I will try to stay because, I need it for myself and <br>my tactile interpreters in class are doing there best! Heather ----- <br>Original Message ----- <br>From: maurice mines<br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:45
AM<br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to <br>watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the <br>person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit, <br>and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the <br>classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to <br>hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor <br>agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is <br>workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a <br>braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find <br>someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary <br>issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think <br>would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on
blindness. The professor <br>needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other <br>things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth. <br>Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps <br>some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on <br>the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of <br>these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into <br>a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services <br>office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,, <br>which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or <br>the professional side?<br><br><br>Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark <br>County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, <br><a ymailto="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu"
href="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu">Maurice.mines@PCC.edu</a><br><br>On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <<a ymailto="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net" href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</a>> <br>wrote:<br><br><br> Hi Heather.<br> Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It <br>is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker <br>and the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL <br>answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the <br>sight person can read the question/comment and then type their response <br>either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone <br>using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you <br>with this technology.<br> Janice<br><br> On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:<br><br>
I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and <br>does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two <br>deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me <br>the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will <br>tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in <br>the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to <br>show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to <br>be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you <br>cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your <br>not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their <br>making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For <br>example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in
with my id <br>and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the <br>signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they <br>will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! <br>I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning <br>through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the <br>sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to <br>understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me! <br>Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message ----- <br> From: Steve Jacobson<br> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the <br>information being
conveyed in general? It would seem as<br> though there must be something that could be worked out with the <br>instructor to signal when you don't get something without<br> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind <br>person taking a course like this.<br><br> Best regards,<br><br> Steve Jacobson<br><br> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br><br> >My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or <br>ask<br> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to <br>leave<br> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three <br>times, I<br> >am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all <br>the<br> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21
hours in the lab! I<br> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can <br>you use<br> >it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have <br>two<br> >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at <br>all. I<br> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of<br> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach <br>someone<br> >English!<br> >----- Original Message ----- <br> >From: RJ Sandefur<br> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br> >Hay I don't see any problem<br> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: heather albright<br> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I <br>cant<br> >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I <br>don't get<br> >something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I <br>won't<br> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they <br>said I<br> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind <br>and<br> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a<br> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL?
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program.<br>With your current situation, you could hook the BN up to a moitor and then set it up that way. If the person can type to respond if you connect a USB keyboard to your BN. Then just go into the Word Processor after setting up visual display settings and connecting USB keyboard. Let me know if you need more specific info.<br><br>Scott<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:04 PM, "heather albright" <<a ymailto="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com" href="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com">kd5cbl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Yes, they said that I have to follow the rules of the lab! They did not even want me to take the ASL class in the OSD office! I was going to bring my mom as my reader because DARS is not providing me reader services because, I already have a degree. But OSD said she could not be my reader but I don't have the money to hirer one myself without DARS help. I have to CHOOSE either a reader or an
interpreter , I cant have both! I will find out today! I was taking ASL for myself but it is proving rather stressful which is not good for my MS! If I have to much stress today, I will have to drop the course! I cant walk if I get to stresse because my mussles git really tite and weak! I will try to stay because, I need it for myself and my tactile interpreters in class are doing there best! Heather ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: maurice mines<br>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:45 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>> <br>> Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit, and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the classroom,
and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she doesn't have a braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth. Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of these
fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,, which side of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or the professional side?<br>> <br>> Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address, <a ymailto="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu" href="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu">Maurice.mines@PCC.edu</a><br>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <<a ymailto="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net" href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> Hi Heather.<br>>> Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and the
sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person can read the question/comment and then type their response either your Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this technology.<br>>> Janice<br>>> On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:<br>>>> I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to show our signing and
you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me! I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to understand the tactile signs because I cant ask
what their signing to me! Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> From: Steve Jacobson<br>>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <br>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>>>> <br>>>> Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the information being conveyed in general? It would seem as <br>>>> though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor to signal when you don't get something without <br>>>> speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind person taking a course like this.<br>>>> <br>>>> Best regards,<br>>>> <br>>>> Steve Jacobson<br>>>> <br>>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>> >My problem
is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask <br>>>> >about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave <br>>>> >and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I <br>>>> >am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the <br>>>> >signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I <br>>>> >understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use <br>>>> >it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two <br>>>> >tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I <br>>>> >only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of <br>>>> >teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone
<br>>>> >English!<br>>>> >----- Original Message ----- <br>>>> >From: RJ Sandefur<br>>>> >To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>>>> >Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> >Hay I don't see any problem<br>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- <br>>>> > From: heather albright<br>>>> > To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>>>> > Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> > Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant <br>>>> >talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get <br>>>> >something,
I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't <br>>>> >have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I <br>>>> >can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and <br>>>> >if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a <br>>>> >colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>>> > nfb-db mailing list<br>>>> > <a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a><br>>>> > <a
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correct.<br>However, if you do not know the alphabet, you should explain this to the<br>facilitators and identify some solutions. <br><br> <br><br>Marisa<br><br> <br><br>From: nfb-db [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] On Behalf Of heather<br>albright<br>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br> <br><br>Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant<br>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get<br>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't<br>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I<br>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and<br>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So
how can a<br>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather <br><br> <br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/nfb-db_nfbnet.org/attachments/20130918/8a4a9f92/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/nfb-db_nfbnet.org/attachments/20130918/8a4a9f92/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 9<br>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:37:27 -0400<br>From: "M Lucca" <<a ymailto="mailto:lucca.marisa@gmail.com" href="mailto:lucca.marisa@gmail.com">lucca.marisa@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List'" <<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:523a393c.2649340a.5b8a.4be2@mx.google.com"
href="mailto:523a393c.2649340a.5b8a.4be2@mx.google.com">523a393c.2649340a.5b8a.4be2@mx.google.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Hello Heather,<br><br> <br><br>I have had similar experiences. I used a tactile interpreter too learn ASL,<br>and I was forbidden from using my voice to communicate. My solution was to<br>meet with the instructor one-on-one to learn the signs and hand-shapes, and<br>then use fingerspelling to ask for clarification.<br><br> <br><br>The key is to find an instructor (or perhaps a student fluent in sign<br>language) willing to meet with you one-on-one for reasonable support. <br><br> <br><br>Marisa<br><br> <br><br>From: nfb-db [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] On Behalf Of heather<br>albright<br>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:29 PM<br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules
in the ASLlab<br><br> <br><br>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask<br>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave<br>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I<br>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the<br>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I<br>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you use<br>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two<br>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I<br>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of<br>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone<br>English! <br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br><br>From: RJ Sandefur <mailto:<a
ymailto="mailto:joltingjacksandefur@gmail.com" href="mailto:joltingjacksandefur@gmail.com">joltingjacksandefur@gmail.com</a>> <br><br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> <br><br>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br><br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br> <br><br>Hay I don't see any problem<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br><br>From: heather albright <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com" href="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com">kd5cbl@gmail.com</a>> <br><br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> <br><br>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br><br>Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br> <br><br>Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I
cant<br>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get<br>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't<br>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I<br>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and<br>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a<br>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather <br><br> <br><br> _____ <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>nfb-db mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org</a><br><br> _____ <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>nfb-db mailing list<br><a
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the ASLlab<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:523a3fa5.c225310a.726b.ffffab40@mx.google.com" href="mailto:523a3fa5.c225310a.726b.ffffab40@mx.google.com">523a3fa5.c225310a.726b.ffffab40@mx.google.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Hello Heather,<br><br> <br><br>Your situation is certainly frustrating. It provides a clear illustration of<br>ignorance regarding Deaf-Blind needs and reasonable accommodations. We must<br>keep in mind, though, that advocacy plays a key role in breaking down the<br>barriers resulting from other's ignorance. One of the important components<br>of advocacy, in my opinion, is the transformation of ignorance into<br>understanding, and understanding into knowledge. This process is frustrating<br>and discouraging, to say the least.<br><br> <br><br>I recommend you write a detailed letter to your instructor expressing the<br>facts of your situation. For example, you objectively explained you
are<br>required to watch videos from which you must create videos. While you<br>understand fully the vitality of learning ASL as the language is spoken<br>(using one's hands), as a person without sight, you are unable to do so. In<br>order for you to obtain the information needed to successfully complete your<br>task, you need to verbally communicate with others. Although one may argue<br>you should use the alphabet to ask for clarification, you could counter with<br>the fact your peers have access to the visual information needed to<br>communicate without sight; they can easily iedentify a hand-shape visually,<br>they can easily review a book for visual clarification, and they can easily<br>navigate the videos visually. You should emphasize you are not requesting<br>"special treatment"-you are requesting reasonable accommodations. A written<br>letter to your instructor will help you develop a strong basis for pursuing<br>legal representation if
your instructor continues to refuse to negotiate<br>reasonable accommodations.<br><br> <br><br>Also, Heather, if you have access to an office responsible for serving<br>students with disabilities, you should consult them. <br><br> <br><br>Situations like yours make me frustrated for those Deaf-Blind involved. As a<br>Deaf-Blind person myself, I know very well the time, energy, and emotional<br>discipline these situations require. Stay strong and clear head, and never<br>steer away from the fact. <br><br> <br><br>Best of luck,<br><br> <br><br>Marisa<br><br> <br><br>From: nfb-db [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] On Behalf Of heather<br>albright<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:32 AM<br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br> <br><br>I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and
does<br>not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf<br>interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the<br>signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will<br>tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in<br>the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to<br>show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to<br>be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you<br>cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos, your<br>not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their<br>making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For<br>example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id<br>and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn
the<br>signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they<br>will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me!<br>I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning<br>through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the<br>sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to<br>understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me!<br>Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message ----- <br><br>From: Steve Jacobson <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com" href="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com">steve.jacobson@visi.com</a>> <br><br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> <br><br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br><br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br>
<br><br>Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the<br>information being conveyed in general? It would seem as <br>though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor<br>to signal when you don't get something without <br>speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind<br>person taking a course like this.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Steve Jacobson<br><br>On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br><br>>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask<br><br>>about a sign or how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave <br>>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I <br>>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the <br>>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I <br>>understand
that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you<br>use <br>>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two <br>>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I<br><br>>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of <br>>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone <br>>English!<br>>----- Original Message ----- <br>>From: RJ Sandefur<br>>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>>Hay I don't see any problem<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: heather albright<br>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>> Hello, I was wondering
about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant <br>>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't<br>get <br>>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't<br><br>>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said<br>I <br>>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and <br>>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a <br>>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br><br><br><br>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>---<br><br><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> nfb-db mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a><br>> <a
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pose an interesting question: student vs. professional. As a Graduate<br>Assistant at the University of North Florida, and as a Deaf-Blind person<br>myself, I constantly consider both sides. However, the bottom line is every<br>student with a disability has a right to reasonable accommodations. The<br>university's student disability office should be a facilitator of student<br>disability services; that is, they should help advocate for the<br>accommodations for which students have a right to request, and they should<br>have the professionalism to enforce ADA regulations and university policies<br>regarding student rights. In Heather's situation, I see no excuse for the<br>instructor's behavior, nor do I see an excuse for the university/college<br>overall (assuming Heather is attending such an institution).<br><br> <br><br>While both sides may have valid arguments, the bottom line is equal access.<br>Thus, efforts should be made to provide reasonable
accommodations.<br><br> <br><br>Marisa<br><br> <br><br>From: nfb-db [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] On Behalf Of maurice mines<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:45 PM<br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br> <br><br>Good morning, here's my two cents on this. A solution is that if you have to<br>watch the videos, arrange for a room where you can communicate with the<br>person who's helping you in the most comfortable manner that you see fit,<br>and so long as it is the least restrictive environment for you in the<br>classroom, and you can get unfortunately the disabled services office to<br>hopefully help you out and/or stand behind you on what you and the professor<br>agree upon, then I think you guys can come up with something that is<br>workable. the problem Janice is a fun reading this right she
doesn't have a<br>braille notetaker in place currently correct? So I think she'd have to find<br>someplace where she can speak. Because I'm going to assume that her primary<br>issue is blindness at this point? So demanding that she not speak, I think<br>would not be an appropriate thing to ask based on blindness. The professor<br>needs to understand that. If the school doesn't get it then there are other<br>things she can do and probably should be doing. Just my two cents worth.<br>Another resource of course is the national student's email list. Perhaps<br>some of them have some suggestions? If I'm coming across as being someone on<br>the radical side of things, it's only because I have had to fight some of<br>these fights in my very distant past, but now I find myself going back into<br>a classroom as a student. And also working for the disabled student services<br>office part time. It certainly makes me think whenever issues like this,,<br>which side
of my on-campus life in my going to be on? The student side or<br>the professional side?<br><br> <br><br>Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Clark<br>County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791, school email address,<br><a ymailto="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu" href="mailto:Maurice.mines@PCC.edu">Maurice.mines@PCC.edu</a><br><br>On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Janice Toothman <<a ymailto="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net" href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</a>><br>wrote:<br><br><br><br><br><br>Hi Heather.<br>Is your Braille notetaker set up to act as a deaf-blind communicator? It is<br>or you have a DBC then you can ask your questions on the DBC/notetaker and<br>the sighted ASL partner could read it and provide the tactile ASL answer. I<br>know my HIMS Braille Sense U2 has an LED screen in which the sight person<br>can read the question/comment and then type their response either
your<br>Qwerty or Braille keypad but also you can pair it with a Iphone using a<br>Bluetooth connection. The I Can Connect program can provide you with this<br>technology.<br>Janice<br><br>On 9/18/2013 11:31 AM, heather albright wrote:<br><br>I am taking the course in a class room where my professor is deaf and does<br>not speak! So I have a note taker, a reader for the board, and two deaf<br>interpreters who sign to me what the professor saying and showing me the<br>signs! I don't speak with them I just guess, sometimes a classmate will<br>tell me what the teacher is saying, the one who reads the board! That is in<br>the classroom. We have to have lab hours in the ASL lab making videos to<br>show our signing and you have to watch the videos to get the infromation to<br>be able to make your signing videos with quicktime! While in the lab, you<br>cant speak to ask questions or bring a voice reader to read the videos,
your<br>not allowed to use spoken language in the lab! I just feel like their<br>making this really hard for me to participate in the ASL program here! For<br>example, I go to the lab today for tutoringand I have to sign in with my id<br>and some how find the person to whom I will be working with to learn the<br>signs, without ever speaking at all! So if we are watching videos, they<br>will be signing to me and I have to guess what their trying to convey to me!<br>I understand not wating to use spoken language but everyone is learning<br>through their eyes by seeing the signs and seeing the book telling them the<br>sign! I have nothing telling me anything, no braille book and no way to<br>understand the tactile signs because I cant ask what their signing to me!<br>Any ideas? Heather ----- Original Message ----- <br><br>From: Steve Jacobson <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com"
href="mailto:steve.jacobson@visi.com">steve.jacobson@visi.com</a>> <br><br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> <br><br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:53 AM<br><br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br> <br><br>Explain more how you are taking this class? How are you getting the<br>information being conveyed in general? It would seem as <br>though there must be something that could be worked out with the instructor<br>to signal when you don't get something without <br>speaking? This is an interesting dilema since it could affect any blind<br>person taking a course like this.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Steve Jacobson<br><br>On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:29:08 -0500, heather albright wrote:<br><br>>My problem is that they told me I cant speak if I have any questions or ask<br><br>>about a sign or
how to make the sign! They said I will be asked to leave <br>>and cant come back till the next day! If I do it more than three times, I <br>>am band from the lab for 2 weeks! But I cant read the book with all the <br>>signs or see the videos! I am supposed to have 21 hours in the lab! I <br>>understand that you should use ASL but if you don't know it, how can you<br>use <br>>it! If you cant see the person signing, what should you do? I have two <br>>tactile interpreters signing to me with me know any sign language at all. I<br><br>>only get 5 percent of what their saying! Is there a better method of <br>>teaching me? Even people taking ESL use their language to teach someone <br>>English!<br>>----- Original Message ----- <br>>From: RJ Sandefur<br>>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:18 PM<br>>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules
in the ASLlab<br><br><br>>Hay I don't see any problem<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: heather albright<br>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:13 PM<br>> Subject: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br><br><br>> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant <br>>talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't<br>get <br>>something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't<br><br>>have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said<br>I <br>>can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and <br>>if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a <br>>colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL?
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