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Send nfb-db mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-request@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db-request@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-request@nfbnet.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-owner@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db-owner@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-owner@nfbnet.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of nfb-db digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: blind how (Marsha Drenth)<br> 2. Re: rules in the ASLlab (Marsha Drenth)<br> 3. Re: rules in the ASLlab
(heather albright)<br> 4. Re: rules in the ASLlab (heather albright)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:51:29 -0400<br>From: Marsha Drenth <<a ymailto="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com" href="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com">marsha.drenth@gmail.com</a>><br>To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <<a ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [nfb-db] blind how<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:FEEBED97-937A-423F-8E5A-606CB9F196B7@gmail.com" href="mailto:FEEBED97-937A-423F-8E5A-606CB9F196B7@gmail.com">FEEBED97-937A-423F-8E5A-606CB9F196B7@gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Janice or anyone,<br>How would one find out if and where PT workshops were being held in my state? <br>Thank you, <br><br>Marsha drenth <br>Sent with my IPhone
<br><br>On Sep 23, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Janice Toothman <<a ymailto="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net" href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Hi Marsha,<br>> Andrew Cohen<br>> Gave a Protactile seminar at the Deaf-Blind Camp in Maryland. Randy Pope's president of the AADB wife has organized monthly Protactile workshops that meet in restaurants. They just had they one year anniversary of the group. It is very popular.<br>> Janice<br>> On 9/22/2013 10:22 PM, The Pawpower Pack wrote:<br>>> Hi, Marsha, PT is Protactile, we sign PT. <br>>> I like it because it allows me information sighted hearing people take for granted, like facial expression, people laughing, interpreters switching, if I'm giving a presentation, I can tell if someone wants to make comment because someone draws a line on my back to indicate that. So I don't have to stop signing to
receive that information. Also, if I'm chatting with a DBP, they can express understanding, agreement, laughter, all kinds of emotions, and I can do likewise without interupting that tactual ASL conversation. <br>>> Rox <br>>> <br>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>> <br>>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Marsha Drenth <<a ymailto="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com" href="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com">marsha.drenth@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>>> Rox, granted, I haven't looked at the link Heather sent. first, what is PT? And giving your opinion, why do you prefer this method? <br>>>> Thanks, <br>>>> <br>>>> Marsha drenth <br>>>> Sent with my IPhone <br>>>> <br>>>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 9:54 PM, The Pawpower Pack <<a ymailto="mailto:pawpower4me@gmail.com" href="mailto:pawpower4me@gmail.com">pawpower4me@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>
<br>>>>> Hi, <br>>>>> I use PT in my everyday communication with interpreters and with other DB. I find it very helpful, especially as a presenter and teacher to know how my audience and student are feeling about what I say. If you have any questions, I can try to answer them. <br>>>>> Rox<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>>>> <br>>>>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "heather albright" <<a ymailto="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com" href="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com">kd5cbl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>> <br>>>>>> Sure, ere is the link:<br>>>>>> http://tactiletheworld.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/pro-tactile-the-deafblind-way/<br>>>>>> Heather<br>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>>>> From: Marsha Drenth<br>>>>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing
List<br>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:15 PM<br>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] blind how<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Heather,<br>>>>>> Can you please send that article to the list, the one pro-tactual the deafblind way. That sounds very interesting. <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Thank you, <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Marsha drenth <br>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 2:07 AM, "heather albright" <<a ymailto="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com" href="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com">kd5cbl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Hay I was looking around on blind how's site! It was pretty interesting! I was wondering if some blind folks might show how
they do ASL and also give a deaf-blind perspective on how to do different things! I could not find any videos on this or articles ; unless I missed something! I put deaf blind in the search, and the results seem to have nothing to do with what I put in the search! It got me thinking about this when I read an article online, pro-tactile The DeafBlind Way! It was a really good article. It was something I never thought about before I read the article and it made sense to me the points in the article! I thought it should be on blindhow's site too! You can sign up for an account and post content to the site in the form of videos and articles! I wonder if you can send an article about the "i can connect," program. 73
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ASL class? <br><br>Marsha drenth <br>Sent with my IPhone <br><br>On Sep 20, 2013, at 10:39 AM, "heather albright" <<a ymailto="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com" href="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com">kd5cbl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Well, it is like this, I have to bring my own reader to the lab to read the flash cards from the teacher. But, DARS said they won't provide a reader because I already have a degree from a university! They taking their first test on monday but I only know the letters as I did not have a reader for the lab! IT is going to fast for me because, I cant just ask someone what their signing! I asked someone about the letters on this list, and now I know them! But I cant carry a conversation in ASL, like everyone else! I guess you should according to the teacher in the class. I really don't like that rule of not talking, I guess one has to abide by it! IT seems so unfair, other
blind students seem to do just fine! But, they have help from DARS while I don't! So they have readers in the lab! Heather<br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: Marsha Drenth<br>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:02 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] rules in the ASLlab<br>> <br>> Heather,<br>> I am a bit confused. I think others have given you good solutions to the lab situation, althought annoying, I hope you can stick with the class. I am confused though. I am assuming that you know the alphabet? And that when your in class you are learning the signs tacutally? I mean by tactually is by your hands on top of their hands. Interpertors can go very fast but if they slow down, break down the signs so you know the movement, you can pick it up. I had also wanted to take a ASL at my university but chose not too, as I was concerned at how much I would actually learn.
<br>> <br>> Good luck!~<br>> <br>> Marsha drenth <br>> Sent with my IPhone <br>> <br>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "heather albright" <<a ymailto="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com" href="mailto:kd5cbl@gmail.com">kd5cbl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> Hello, I was wondering about the rules in the ASL lab! They said I cant talk in the lab at all, it is against the rules to speak! So if I don't get something, I cant ask to be sure! Is that not against ADA because, I won't have equal access to the lab! If I speak they can make me leave, they said I can go to another room but, it won't be the lab! Afterall I am blind and if I cant ask about a sign, that seems a little unfair! So how can a colledge say this to me and other blind students taking ASL? Heather<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> nfb-db mailing
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