<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Tracy,</div><div>I didn't know that you have a deafblind ddauther? And nor did I know that you wwere a guide dog user? </div><div>I am assuming that your hearing issues aaand your vision issues are a genetic thhing? </div><div>Not trying to be nosey, I just saw those facts in the below and was curious..<br><br>Marsha drenth <div>Sent with my IPhone </div></div><div><br>On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Tracie Inman <<a href="mailto:tracieinman@yahoo.com">tracieinman@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hey Janice: </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span> I am painfully aware of that fact. My daughter Katie uses tactile, and she has tactile interpreters at school - and at Church. She also requests them during the National convention. I simply am not ready to face the fact that my vision won't always be available to me. Getting a guide dog in 2010 was the first step toward acceptance. I still want to use what I have left of my vision and what is available with my implants. After 35 years of depending on near-vision interpreters prior to the implants I'm just enjoying being
able to use them to the best of my ability. It doesn't change my identity. I'm still Deaf and Blind, but it does mean that I can adapt to either situation. - Tracie</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 128, 255); font-size: 18px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><font style="font-size:16pt;" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><div><br></div><div><br><br><font size="4"><br><br></font><br><br></div></font></div><div><span></span></div><div></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:08 AM,
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Hi Tracie,<br clear="none">
I have known Randy through the MWADB and the DBCN list. I know
having hearing family and friends, who want you to voice rather than
to learn tactile or for them to have to learn ASL is a challenge.
But many DB with HOH can't rely on their hearing being stable so we
are caught in a bind. Also, I have found it difficult to learn
tactile ASL that is affordable and accessible.<br clear="none">
Janice<br clear="none">
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<div>Hi Randy: I hope you're doing well and AADB is growing
stronger under your leadership. I wish you all the best
always. Just a gentle reminder my friend that many many Deaf
- Blind are hard of hearing (non sign speaking) blind folks.
Randy, indeed since getting the two C.I.'s I'm guilty of
using voice, Assisted listening devices and voice interpreters
as opposed to using my signing, using interpreters, etc. I
have switched to English. My excuses has been that my vision
is going "bye bye" and depending on tactile scares me. In
time, that may be my only option but for now I'm surrounded by
hearing family and friends so I've gotten into a "comfort
zone" with the success of my C.I.'s. What I'm trying to say
here is, remember that, just because you might not observe the
folks signing doesn't mean they're not Deaf-blind. </div>
<div> All the folks in the NFB Deaf-Blind division who are
promoting ICC are Deaf-Blind. In fact, every one assigned to
Operation Outreach (our outreach project to raise awareness
of the ICC and the Deaf-Blind community requesting ALL 50
affiliates and the D.C. affiliate to form committees for the
Deaf-Blind in their individual committee) - including our
mutual friend Marsha drenth are Deaf-Blind. </div>
<div> Speaking of, hey Scott if you want to help please
contact me or Joe Naulty. We could always use more helping
hands. We got two projects going on at the moment and
probably will start a third. You know about Operation
Outreach. We've also started a committee on SSP issues. If
you want to help us, we can always use another helping hand.
I do believe the Deaf-Blind division is working harder than
it ever has before. I dare to say that we've accomplished
more in the last few months than we have in many years. The
latest announcement we heard was that Scott Labarre (affiliate
President of Colorado and a National NFB Board Member) has
agreed to set up a Deaf-Blind Issues committee in the Colorado
affiliate. We also heard that the President of the Alaska
affiliate is Deaf-Blind. So climb abaord the NFB DB Express
and lets get chugging along on this exciting adventure raising
awareness of Deaf-Blind issues, ICC, and the need for SSP's.
All are welcome aboard. </div>
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</div>
<div>Best Wishes, </div>
<div>Tracie Inman</div>
<div>NFB Deaf-Blind Division</div>
<div>First Vice President</div>
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1. CSUN Re: Telecommunications Equipment for
Deaf-Blind Persons<br clear="none">
(Marsha Drenth)<br clear="none">
2. Re: CSUN Re: Telecommunications Equipment for
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:49:53 -0400<br clear="none">
From: Marsha Drenth <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com">marsha.drenth@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>><br clear="none">
Subject: [nfb-db] CSUN Re: Telecommunications Equipment
for Deaf-Blind<br clear="none">
Persons<br clear="none">
Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:D61AC1DF-7E22-4F4C-969D-18FC3E09FE61@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:D61AC1DF-7E22-4F4C-969D-18FC3E09FE61@gmail.com">D61AC1DF-7E22-4F4C-969D-18FC3E09FE61@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">
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Scott, <br clear="none">
When will you hear if you are presenting at CSUn? and if
you do present, who will you present with from the NFB?
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Very curious I know...<br clear="none">
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Marsha drenth <br clear="none">
Sent with my IPhone <br clear="none">
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On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Scott Davert <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scottdavert@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:scottdavert@gmail.com">scottdavert@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
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> Hi Randy.<br clear="none">
> It would seem there is not a lot of outreach going
on from what I can<br clear="none">
> tell. I have not done outreach for NFB or ACB, but
have gone to a few<br clear="none">
> places to promote it. I, of course, took an
interpreter along, because<br clear="none">
> I have the signing vocabulary of a 6 month old. I
know that HKNC plans<br clear="none">
> to send someone to the national AFB conference in
Feb, and I submitted<br clear="none">
> a proposal to CSUN to discuss deaf-blindness and
some of the<br clear="none">
> technology used. If accepted, I will be presenting
this with a member<br clear="none">
> of the NFB. It will, of course, make mention of the
ICC program.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> All the best,<br clear="none">
> Scott<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On 10/27/13, Marsha Drenth <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com">marsha.drenth@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>> Randy,<br clear="none">
>> Ok, just so the point is clear, anyone from the
NFB who is promoting the ICC<br clear="none">
>> program, is Deafblind. Of course there are
other organizations promoting the<br clear="none">
>> ICC program. And yes some DB persons are not
signing DB folks. Of course<br clear="none">
>> this by no means that they aren't DB.<br clear="none">
>> <br clear="none">
>> <br clear="none">
>> Marsha drenth<br clear="none">
>> Sent with my IPhone<br clear="none">
>> <br clear="none">
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:06 PM, "Randy Pope" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org">randy.pope@aadb.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>> <br clear="none">
>>> Marsha,<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Sorry for overlooking the last part of your
message. I have received a<br clear="none">
>>> few report that the people who are actually
doing the promotion and<br clear="none">
>>> education are not DeafBlind. But here is
the problem in determining if<br clear="none">
>>> these report are true. These people could
be Deafblind but cannot sign.<br clear="none">
>>> In the recent DSA conference, the person
sitting in the ICC booth, was<br clear="none">
>>> assuming hearing blind who did not know
how to sign.<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> There were a few other situation similar to
this situation. See where I?m<br clear="none">
>>> coming from?<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Randy<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> From: nfb-db [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Marsha<br clear="none">
>>> Drenth<br clear="none">
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:30 PM<br clear="none">
>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br clear="none">
>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] Telecommunications
Equipment for Deaf-Blind Persons<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Mr. Pope,<br clear="none">
>>> I am not a part of the NFB DB board, but
the NFB DB division has implement<br clear="none">
>>> an outreach program to educate state
affiliates on Deafblindness,<br clear="none">
>>> resources, and the Icanconnect program. I
do believe that all of those<br clear="none">
>>> persons who are reaching out to the
different states are db themselves. Is<br clear="none">
>>> this what you mean?<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Marsha drenth<br clear="none">
>>> Sent with my IPhone<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Randy Pope"
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org">randy.pope@aadb.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Question: Are there any DeafBlind people
assisting in the NDBEDP outreach<br clear="none">
>>> program?<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Randy<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> From: nfb-db [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
On Behalf Of David<br clear="none">
>>> Andrews<br clear="none">
>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:16 PM<br clear="none">
>>> To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfbwatlk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfbwatlk@nfbnet.org">nfbwatlk@nfbnet.org</a><br clear="none">
>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Telecommunications
Equipment for Deaf-Blind Persons<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> I have been asked to distribute the
following.<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Dear David,<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> I have been charged with the outreach
program for :I Can Connect" in 5<br clear="none">
>>> states, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA,<br clear="none">
>>> OKLAHOMA, WASHINGTON and WISCONSIN<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Changing what it means to be blind,<br clear="none">
>>> Marcus Simmons, President,<br clear="none">
>>> Wayne County chapter NFBMI<br clear="none">
>>> 28179 Brentwood<br clear="none">
>>> Southfield, MI 48076-3069<br clear="none">
>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:president@map-n.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:president@map-n.org">president@map-n.org</a><br clear="none">
>>> (248) 552-8928<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> NDBEDP.pdf<br clear="none">
>>> Consumer Guide<br clear="none">
>>> 9<br clear="none">
>>> National Deaf-Blind Equipment Distribution
Program<br clear="none">
>>> Background<br clear="none">
>>> The Twenty-First Century Communications and
Video Accessibility Act of<br clear="none">
>>> 2010 (CVAA) authorizes the<br clear="none">
>>> Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to
provide funding for local<br clear="none">
>>> programs to distribute<br clear="none">
>>> equipment to low-income individuals who are
?deaf-blind? (see definition<br clear="none">
>>> below.) The FCC may use up<br clear="none">
>>> to $10 million annually from the interstate
Telecommunications Relay<br clear="none">
>>> Service fund for this purpose.<br clear="none">
>>> Pilot Program<br clear="none">
>>> In 2011, the FCC established the National
Deaf-Blind Equipment<br clear="none">
>>> Distribution Program (NDBEDP) as a<br clear="none">
>>> pilot program. The pilot program has been
in effect since July 1, 2012,<br clear="none">
>>> and the FCC may extend the<br clear="none">
>>> program another year. The pilot program
provides valuable information that<br clear="none">
>>> the FCC will use to help<br clear="none">
>>> develop and implement an effective and
efficient permanent deaf-blind<br clear="none">
>>> equipment distribution program.<br clear="none">
>>> How does the pilot program operate?<br clear="none">
>>> The FCC selected and certified one entity
in each of the 50 states, plus<br clear="none">
>>> the District of Columbia, Puerto<br clear="none">
>>> Rico, and the Virgin Islands, to receive
FCC support to distribute<br clear="none">
>>> equipment to low-income individuals<br clear="none">
>>> who are deaf-blind. The FCC allocated a
minimum of $50,000 to each of the<br clear="none">
>>> 53 certified programs,<br clear="none">
>>> plus additional funding based on the size
of each state's population. As a<br clear="none">
>>> result, states with large<br clear="none">
>>> populations were allocated larger amounts
of funding than states with<br clear="none">
>>> small populations.<br clear="none">
>>> The FCC also set aside $500,000 each year
for the Perkins School for the<br clear="none">
>>> Blind to coordinate outreach<br clear="none">
>>> to promote this new equipment distribution
program nationwide.<br clear="none">
>>> Who is eligible to receive equipment?<br clear="none">
>>> Under the CVAA, only low-income individuals
who are deaf-blind are<br clear="none">
>>> eligible to receive equipment.<br clear="none">
>>> Applicants must provide verification of
their status as low-income and<br clear="none">
>>> deaf-blind.<br clear="none">
>>> The CVAA requires that the term
"deaf-blind" has the same meaning given in<br clear="none">
>>> the Helen Keller National<br clear="none">
>>> Center Act. In general, the individual must
have a certain vision loss and<br clear="none">
>>> a hearing loss that,<br clear="none">
>>> combined, cause extreme difficulty in
attaining independence in daily life<br clear="none">
>>> activities, achieving<br clear="none">
>>> psychosocial adjustment, or obtaining a
vocation (working).<br clear="none">
>>> The FCC defines "low income" to mean not
more than 400% of the Federal<br clear="none">
>>> Poverty Guidelines, as<br clear="none">
>>> indicated in the following chart:<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> table with 4 columns and 11 rows<br clear="none">
>>> 2013 Federal Poverty Guidelines<br clear="none">
>>> Number of persons in family/household<br clear="none">
>>> 400% for everywhere, except Alaska and
Hawaii<br clear="none">
>>> 400% for Alaska<br clear="none">
>>> 400% for Hawaii<br clear="none">
>>> 1<br clear="none">
>>> $45,960<br clear="none">
>>> $57,400<br clear="none">
>>> $52,920<br clear="none">
>>> 2<br clear="none">
>>> 62,040<br clear="none">
>>> 77,520<br clear="none">
>>> 71,400<br clear="none">
>>> 3<br clear="none">
>>> 78,120<br clear="none">
>>> 97,640<br clear="none">
>>> 89,880<br clear="none">
>>> 4<br clear="none">
>>> 94,200<br clear="none">
>>> 117,760<br clear="none">
>>> 108,360<br clear="none">
>>> 5<br clear="none">
>>> 110,280<br clear="none">
>>> 137,880<br clear="none">
>>> 126,840<br clear="none">
>>> 6<br clear="none">
>>> 126,360<br clear="none">
>>> 158,000<br clear="none">
>>> 145,320<br clear="none">
>>> 7<br clear="none">
>>> 142,440<br clear="none">
>>> 178,120<br clear="none">
>>> 163,800<br clear="none">
>>> 8<br clear="none">
>>> 158,520<br clear="none">
>>> 198,240<br clear="none">
>>> 182,280<br clear="none">
>>> For each additional person, add<br clear="none">
>>> $16,080<br clear="none">
>>> $20,120<br clear="none">
>>> $18,480<br clear="none">
>>> table end<br clear="none">
>>> <br clear="none">
>>> Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human
Services<br clear="none">
>>> (<a href="http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm">aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm</a>)<br clear="none">
>>> What kind of equipment can be distributed?<br clear="none">
>>> The equipment distributed must be designed
to make telecommunications<br clear="none">
>>> (such as wireline and<br clear="none">
>>> wireless telephone communication), advanced
communications (such as<br clear="none">
>>> Internet-based voice<br clear="none">
>>> communication, e-mail, instant messaging
and interoperable video<br clear="none">
>>> conferencing services), and access<br clear="none">
>>> to the Internet (including information
services) accessible. The equipment<br clear="none">
>>> distributed may be<br clear="none">
>>> hardware, software or applications,
separate or in combination, mainstream<br clear="none">
>>> or specialized. The<br clear="none">
>>> equipment must meet the needs of the
deaf-blind individual to achieve<br clear="none">
>>> access. Certified programs may<br clear="none">
>>> also provide equipment warranties,
maintenance, and repairs for such<br clear="none">
>>> equipment depending on<br clear="none">
>>> available funding.<br clear="none">
>>> Besides distributing equipment, what will
the NDBEDP certified programs<br clear="none">
>>> do?<br clear="none">
>>> Certified programs will inform their
communities about this new program to<br clear="none">
>>> distribute equipment to low-<br clear="none">
>>> income residents in their states who are
deaf-blind. They will verify that<br clear="none">
>>> applicants are eligible to<br clear="none">
>>> receive equipment. They will assess each
applicant's communications<br clear="none">
>>> equipment needs to select<br clear="none">
>>> appropriate equipment to meet those needs.
They may also help install and<br clear="none">
>>> provide training for the<br clear="none">
>>> equipment distributed.<br clear="none">
>>> How do I find the certified program that
serves my state?<br clear="none">
>>> Information about how to find the NDBEDP
certified program in your state<br clear="none">
>>> is available during the on the<br clear="none">
>>> FCC website at<br clear="none">
>>>
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1048367512moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/national-deaf-blind-equipment-distribution-program">www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/national-deaf-blind-equipment-distribution-program</a><br clear="none">
>>> ,<br clear="none">
>>> by calling 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322)
voice or 1-888-TELL-FCC<br clear="none">
>>> (1-888-835-5322) TTY, or by<br clear="none">
>>> sending an email to<br clear="none">
>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dro@fcc.gov." target="_blank" href="mailto:dro@fcc.gov.">dro@fcc.gov.</a><br clear="none">
>>> How can I help the NDBEDP be successful?<br clear="none">
>>> list of 4 items<br clear="none">
>>> Tell people about the program.<br clear="none">
>>> Tell the FCC how the NDBEDP helped you or
someone you know.<br clear="none">
>>> Tell the FCC how the program can be
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>>> Tell the FCC about new types of
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>>> You may also file an informal complaint
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>>> has violated the NDBEDP<br clear="none">
>>> rules. Informal complaints may be filed by
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>>> (1-888-225-5322) voice or<br clear="none">
>>> 1-888-TELL-FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY; faxing
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>>> Federal Communications Commission<br clear="none">
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>>> Washington, DC 20554<br clear="none">
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>>> For inf<br clear="none">
>>> ormation about other communications issues,
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>>> website at<br clear="none">
>>>
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:25:09 -0400<br clear="none">
From: Scott Davert <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scottdavert@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:scottdavert@gmail.com">scottdavert@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>><br clear="none">
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] CSUN Re: Telecommunications
Equipment for<br clear="none">
Deaf-Blind Persons<br clear="none">
Message-ID:<br clear="none">
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Hi Marcha.<br clear="none">
I will know next month whether my proposal has been
accepted. I would<br clear="none">
be presenting with Amy Mason.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Scott<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
On 10/28/13, Marsha Drenth <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com">marsha.drenth@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> Scott,<br clear="none">
> When will you hear if you are presenting at CSUn?
and if you do present, who<br clear="none">
> will you present with from the NFB?<br clear="none">
> Very curious I know...<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Marsha drenth<br clear="none">
> Sent with my IPhone<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Scott Davert <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:scottdavert@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:scottdavert@gmail.com">scottdavert@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
>> Hi Randy.<br clear="none">
>> It would seem there is not a lot of outreach
going on from what I can<br clear="none">
>> tell. I have not done outreach for NFB or ACB,
but have gone to a few<br clear="none">
>> places to promote it. I, of course, took an
interpreter along, because<br clear="none">
>> I have the signing vocabulary of a 6 month old.
I know that HKNC plans<br clear="none">
>> to send someone to the national AFB conference
in Feb, and I submitted<br clear="none">
>> a proposal to CSUN to discuss deaf-blindness
and some of the<br clear="none">
>> technology used. If accepted, I will be
presenting this with a member<br clear="none">
>> of the NFB. It will, of course, make mention of
the ICC program.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> All the best,<br clear="none">
>> Scott<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> On 10/27/13, Marsha Drenth <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marsha.drenth@gmail.com">marsha.drenth@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>> Randy,<br clear="none">
>>> Ok, just so the point is clear, anyone from
the NFB who is promoting the<br clear="none">
>>> ICC<br clear="none">
>>> program, is Deafblind. Of course there are
other organizations promoting<br clear="none">
>>> the<br clear="none">
>>> ICC program. And yes some DB persons are
not signing DB folks. Of course<br clear="none">
>>> this by no means that they aren't DB.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> Marsha drenth<br clear="none">
>>> Sent with my IPhone<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:06 PM, "Randy Pope"
<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org">randy.pope@aadb.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Marsha,<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Sorry for overlooking the last part of
your message. I have received a<br clear="none">
>>>> few report that the people who are
actually doing the promotion and<br clear="none">
>>>> education are not DeafBlind. But here
is the problem in determining if<br clear="none">
>>>> these report are true. These people
could be Deafblind but cannot sign.<br clear="none">
>>>> In the recent DSA conference, the
person sitting in the ICC booth, was<br clear="none">
>>>> assuming hearing blind who did not
know how to sign.<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> There were a few other situation
similar to this situation. See where<br clear="none">
>>>> I?m<br clear="none">
>>>> coming from?<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Randy<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> From: nfb-db [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Marsha<br clear="none">
>>>> Drenth<br clear="none">
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:30
PM<br clear="none">
>>>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing
List<br clear="none">
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfb-db]
Telecommunications Equipment for Deaf-Blind<br clear="none">
>>>> Persons<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Mr. Pope,<br clear="none">
>>>> I am not a part of the NFB DB board,
but the NFB DB division has<br clear="none">
>>>> implement<br clear="none">
>>>> an outreach program to educate state
affiliates on Deafblindness,<br clear="none">
>>>> resources, and the Icanconnect program.
I do believe that all of those<br clear="none">
>>>> persons who are reaching out to the
different states are db themselves.<br clear="none">
>>>> Is<br clear="none">
>>>> this what you mean?<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Marsha drenth<br clear="none">
>>>> Sent with my IPhone<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "Randy
Pope" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:randy.pope@aadb.org">randy.pope@aadb.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Question: Are there any DeafBlind
people assisting in the NDBEDP<br clear="none">
>>>> outreach<br clear="none">
>>>> program?<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Randy<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> From: nfb-db [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org">nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
On Behalf Of David<br clear="none">
>>>> Andrews<br clear="none">
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:16 PM<br clear="none">
>>>> To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nfbwatlk@nfbnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nfbwatlk@nfbnet.org">nfbwatlk@nfbnet.org</a><br clear="none">
>>>> Subject: [nfb-db] Telecommunications
Equipment for Deaf-Blind Persons<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> I have been asked to distribute the
following.<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Dear David,<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> I have been charged with the outreach
program for :I Can Connect" in 5<br clear="none">
>>>> states, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA,<br clear="none">
>>>> OKLAHOMA, WASHINGTON and WISCONSIN<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Changing what it means to be blind,<br clear="none">
>>>> Marcus Simmons, President,<br clear="none">
>>>> Wayne County chapter NFBMI<br clear="none">
>>>> 28179 Brentwood<br clear="none">
>>>> Southfield, MI 48076-3069<br clear="none">
>>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:president@map-n.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:president@map-n.org">president@map-n.org</a><br clear="none">
>>>> (248) 552-8928<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> NDBEDP.pdf<br clear="none">
>>>> Consumer Guide<br clear="none">
>>>> 9<br clear="none">
>>>> National Deaf-Blind Equipment
Distribution Program<br clear="none">
>>>> Background<br clear="none">
>>>> The Twenty-First Century Communications
and Video Accessibility Act of<br clear="none">
>>>> 2010 (CVAA) authorizes the<br clear="none">
>>>> Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
to provide funding for local<br clear="none">
>>>> programs to distribute<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment to low-income individuals who
are ?deaf-blind? (see definition<br clear="none">
>>>> below.) The FCC may use up<br clear="none">
>>>> to $10 million annually from the
interstate Telecommunications Relay<br clear="none">
>>>> Service fund for this purpose.<br clear="none">
>>>> Pilot Program<br clear="none">
>>>> In 2011, the FCC established the
National Deaf-Blind Equipment<br clear="none">
>>>> Distribution Program (NDBEDP) as a<br clear="none">
>>>> pilot program. The pilot program has
been in effect since July 1, 2012,<br clear="none">
>>>> and the FCC may extend the<br clear="none">
>>>> program another year. The pilot program
provides valuable information<br clear="none">
>>>> that<br clear="none">
>>>> the FCC will use to help<br clear="none">
>>>> develop and implement an effective and
efficient permanent deaf-blind<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment distribution program.<br clear="none">
>>>> How does the pilot program operate?<br clear="none">
>>>> The FCC selected and certified one
entity in each of the 50 states, plus<br clear="none">
>>>> the District of Columbia, Puerto<br clear="none">
>>>> Rico, and the Virgin Islands, to
receive FCC support to distribute<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment to low-income individuals<br clear="none">
>>>> who are deaf-blind. The FCC allocated a
minimum of $50,000 to each of<br clear="none">
>>>> the<br clear="none">
>>>> 53 certified programs,<br clear="none">
>>>> plus additional funding based on the
size of each state's population. As<br clear="none">
>>>> a<br clear="none">
>>>> result, states with large<br clear="none">
>>>> populations were allocated larger
amounts of funding than states with<br clear="none">
>>>> small populations.<br clear="none">
>>>> The FCC also set aside $500,000 each
year for the Perkins School for the<br clear="none">
>>>> Blind to coordinate outreach<br clear="none">
>>>> to promote this new equipment
distribution program nationwide.<br clear="none">
>>>> Who is eligible to receive equipment?<br clear="none">
>>>> Under the CVAA, only low-income
individuals who are deaf-blind are<br clear="none">
>>>> eligible to receive equipment.<br clear="none">
>>>> Applicants must provide verification of
their status as low-income and<br clear="none">
>>>> deaf-blind.<br clear="none">
>>>> The CVAA requires that the term
"deaf-blind" has the same meaning given<br clear="none">
>>>> in<br clear="none">
>>>> the Helen Keller National<br clear="none">
>>>> Center Act. In general, the individual
must have a certain vision loss<br clear="none">
>>>> and<br clear="none">
>>>> a hearing loss that,<br clear="none">
>>>> combined, cause extreme difficulty in
attaining independence in daily<br clear="none">
>>>> life<br clear="none">
>>>> activities, achieving<br clear="none">
>>>> psychosocial adjustment, or obtaining a
vocation (working).<br clear="none">
>>>> The FCC defines "low income" to mean
not more than 400% of the Federal<br clear="none">
>>>> Poverty Guidelines, as<br clear="none">
>>>> indicated in the following chart:<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> table with 4 columns and 11 rows<br clear="none">
>>>> 2013 Federal Poverty Guidelines<br clear="none">
>>>> Number of persons in family/household<br clear="none">
>>>> 400% for everywhere, except Alaska and
Hawaii<br clear="none">
>>>> 400% for Alaska<br clear="none">
>>>> 400% for Hawaii<br clear="none">
>>>> 1<br clear="none">
>>>> $45,960<br clear="none">
>>>> $57,400<br clear="none">
>>>> $52,920<br clear="none">
>>>> 2<br clear="none">
>>>> 62,040<br clear="none">
>>>> 77,520<br clear="none">
>>>> 71,400<br clear="none">
>>>> 3<br clear="none">
>>>> 78,120<br clear="none">
>>>> 97,640<br clear="none">
>>>> 89,880<br clear="none">
>>>> 4<br clear="none">
>>>> 94,200<br clear="none">
>>>> 117,760<br clear="none">
>>>> 108,360<br clear="none">
>>>> 5<br clear="none">
>>>> 110,280<br clear="none">
>>>> 137,880<br clear="none">
>>>> 126,840<br clear="none">
>>>> 6<br clear="none">
>>>> 126,360<br clear="none">
>>>> 158,000<br clear="none">
>>>> 145,320<br clear="none">
>>>> 7<br clear="none">
>>>> 142,440<br clear="none">
>>>> 178,120<br clear="none">
>>>> 163,800<br clear="none">
>>>> 8<br clear="none">
>>>> 158,520<br clear="none">
>>>> 198,240<br clear="none">
>>>> 182,280<br clear="none">
>>>> For each additional person, add<br clear="none">
>>>> $16,080<br clear="none">
>>>> $20,120<br clear="none">
>>>> $18,480<br clear="none">
>>>> table end<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>> Source: U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services<br clear="none">
>>>> (<a href="http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm">aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm</a>)<br clear="none">
>>>> What kind of equipment can be
distributed?<br clear="none">
>>>> The equipment distributed must be
designed to make telecommunications<br clear="none">
>>>> (such as wireline and<br clear="none">
>>>> wireless telephone communication),
advanced communications (such as<br clear="none">
>>>> Internet-based voice<br clear="none">
>>>> communication, e-mail, instant
messaging and interoperable video<br clear="none">
>>>> conferencing services), and access<br clear="none">
>>>> to the Internet (including information
services) accessible. The<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment<br clear="none">
>>>> distributed may be<br clear="none">
>>>> hardware, software or applications,
separate or in combination,<br clear="none">
>>>> mainstream<br clear="none">
>>>> or specialized. The<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment must meet the needs of the
deaf-blind individual to achieve<br clear="none">
>>>> access. Certified programs may<br clear="none">
>>>> also provide equipment warranties,
maintenance, and repairs for such<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment depending on<br clear="none">
>>>> available funding.<br clear="none">
>>>> Besides distributing equipment, what
will the NDBEDP certified programs<br clear="none">
>>>> do?<br clear="none">
>>>> Certified programs will inform their
communities about this new program<br clear="none">
>>>> to<br clear="none">
>>>> distribute equipment to low-<br clear="none">
>>>> income residents in their states who
are deaf-blind. They will verify<br clear="none">
>>>> that<br clear="none">
>>>> applicants are eligible to<br clear="none">
>>>> receive equipment. They will assess
each applicant's communications<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment needs to select<br clear="none">
>>>> appropriate equipment to meet those
needs. They may also help install<br clear="none">
>>>> and<br clear="none">
>>>> provide training for the<br clear="none">
>>>> equipment distributed.<br clear="none">
>>>> How do I find the certified program
that serves my state?<br clear="none">
>>>> Information about how to find the
NDBEDP certified program in your state<br clear="none">
>>>> is available during the on the<br clear="none">
>>>> FCC website at<br clear="none">
>>>>
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1048367512moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/national-deaf-blind-equipment-distribution-program">www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/national-deaf-blind-equipment-distribution-program</a><br clear="none">
>>>> ,<br clear="none">
>>>> by calling 1-888-CALL-FCC
(1-888-225-5322) voice or 1-888-TELL-FCC<br clear="none">
>>>> (1-888-835-5322) TTY, or by<br clear="none">
>>>> sending an email to<br clear="none">
>>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dro@fcc.gov." target="_blank" href="mailto:dro@fcc.gov.">dro@fcc.gov.</a><br clear="none">
>>>> How can I help the NDBEDP be
successful?<br clear="none">
>>>> list of 4 items<br clear="none">
>>>> Tell people about the program.<br clear="none">
>>>> Tell the FCC how the NDBEDP helped you
or someone you know.<br clear="none">
>>>> Tell the FCC how the program can be
improved.<br clear="none">
>>>> Tell the FCC about new types of
technologies that should be included for<br clear="none">
>>>> distribution.<br clear="none">
>>>> list end<br clear="none">
>>>> You may also file an informal complaint
with the FCC if you think<br clear="none">
>>>> someone<br clear="none">
>>>> has violated the NDBEDP<br clear="none">
>>>> rules. Informal complaints may be filed
by calling 1-888-CALL-FCC<br clear="none">
>>>> (1-888-225-5322) voice or<br clear="none">
>>>> 1-888-TELL-FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY;
faxing 1-866-418-0232, or by<br clear="none">
>>>> writing<br clear="none">
>>>> to:<br clear="none">
>>>> Federal Communications Commission<br clear="none">
>>>> Consumer and Governmental Affairs
Bureau<br clear="none">
>>>> Consumer Inquiries and Complaints
Division<br clear="none">
>>>> 445 12th Street, S.W.<br clear="none">
>>>> Washington, DC 20554<br clear="none">
>>>> For More Information<br clear="none">
>>>> For inf<br clear="none">
>>>> ormation about other communications
issues, visit the FCC?s Consumer<br clear="none">
>>>> website at<br clear="none">
>>>>
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv1048367512moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="http://www.fcc.gov/consumer-governmental-affairs-bureau">www.fcc.gov/consumer-governmental-affairs-bureau</a>,<br clear="none">
>>>> or contact the FCC?s Consumer Center by<br clear="none">
>>>> calling 1-888-CALL-FCC voice or
1-888-TELL-FCC TTY; faxing<br clear="none">
>>>> 1-866-418-0232;<br clear="none">
>>>> or writing to the<br clear="none">
>>>> address listed above.<br clear="none">
>>>> ###<br clear="none">
>>>> For this or any other consumer
publication in an accessible format<br clear="none">
>>>> (electronic ASCII text, Braille, large
print<br clear="none">
>>>> or audio), please write or call us at
the address or phone number below,<br clear="none">
>>>> or send an email to<br clear="none">
>>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:FCC504@fcc.gov." target="_blank" href="mailto:FCC504@fcc.gov.">FCC504@fcc.gov.</a><br clear="none">
>>>> This document is for consumer education
purposes only and is not<br clear="none">
>>>> intended<br clear="none">
>>>> to affect any proceedings or<br clear="none">
>>>> cases involving this subject matter or
related issues.<br clear="none">
>>>> Last Reviewed 5/2/13<br clear="none">
>>>>
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