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Scott,<br>
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I appreciate your perspective on tactile ASL interesting. AS
someone that wants to learn tactile communication because I am
totally Blind (but it occurred later in life) and profoundly
deaf/HOH. <br>
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I am comfortable with the manual alphabet; but it is slow and for
those DB that were Deaf first before losing their sight often rely
on ASL, which has its own grammatical structure from spoken
English. <br>
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Plus, I have found that the times I have attempted tactile
communication with other DB, interpreters or Support Service
Providers (SSPs) that for me, the ease of communication depends on
the hand-size, pressure and the other persons own personal
communication style, skill and preferences.<br>
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This is one of the reasons, setting up for meetings can take time to
work out communication access issues.<br>
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I will take your experiences to heart Scott as my DORS counselor in
MD will look into tactile ASL tutoring with Steven Collins.<br>
I do wish that we could sometime see you again at Convention. <br>
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Janice toothman<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">janice.toothman@verizon.net</a><br>
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I'd like to see them try to work with someone who is HOH, but I
highly doubt they could unless that individual already knows ASL.
As such, I'm not sure this would be an appropriate recommendation
for this situation.
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<div>Just my thought,</div>
<div>Scott<br>
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Check out Tactile Communications at <a
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<div>It is ASL based, but uses other tactile cues for
Deafblind people. This organization is run by Deafblind
leadership. They know what they are doing.</div>
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<div>Good luck! </div>
<div>Lisa Ferris<br>
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Eric,<br>
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my name is Janice Toothman. I have Usher's. It
developed later in life. I am totally blind. I use
tactile sign. I fingerspell and use Print on Palm
at present, mostly because I don't have ready access
to the resources you are seeking for your son. I
have not found a local place to in my state to teach
me Tactile ASL even though I live 20 miles from
Washington, DC ( home of Gallaudett University or
Gally as it is affectionately called). I couldn't
afford to pay the 50 dollars an hour for a private
tutor of one of their professors. Although I have a
VR counselor, they don't see it as a hight priority
for me even though I am profoundly deaf and am
contemplating a CI. <br>
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I am not sure if your earlier post said what state
you live in. The American Association of the
DeafBlind might know of individuals willing to teach
ASL or Universitys that have Deaf studies. Again I
am only thinking of people and interpreters/SSP
(support Service Providers that might be willing to
help get you started.<br>
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These are just my own thoughts as I have struggled
personally with this myself.<br>
Janice Toothman<br>
Second Vice-President<br>
National Association of the DeafBlind, A proud
Division of the NFB<br>
We care, We share, We grow , We make a Difference<br>
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Learning ASL would would be for you compared to you
son. You son would <br>
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Good
morning everyone.<span></span></span></p>
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0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We
had a nice discussion with Danielle over the
weekend & while we are going to pursue
looking into the CI’s further, we also want
to be begin learning ASL. We’ll meet with
our district’s DHH team, but beyond our
sons, my wife & I obviously want to
learn in parallel. Can you share resources
& ideas on how to pursue learning ASL
& how the process might be different for
us given our son’s are totally blind,
compared to sighted ASL communication?<span></span></span></p>
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