<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Randy.<div>If PTASL is called PTASL, it would seem very misleading to think they do not have a lot in common. Where did the PTASL term come from if not from ASL/TASL? My understanding of it is that it is not its entire own language. You have back channel and back back channel and touch signals which can sybolize emotion and things like nodding, but I do not quite understand the rest. they sure charge an arm and leg to go to the place in Seattle to learn it. Do you know of any indviduals who have little to no signing skills at all who are using it successfully?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Scottt<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 28, 2018, at 5:46 PM, Janice Toothman via NFB-DB <<a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    Randy,<br>
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    Who is the best person to teach PTASL to a DB individual?
    Particularly, someone like myself, who is totally blind and
    profoundly deaf (I can still hear some speech with hearing aids and
    an FM system). <br>
    <br>
    I only know the manual alphabet.  I have difficulty practicing my
    tactile signing the manual alphabet with other DB or
    SSP/interpreters because of where I live.  Yet I know that the more
    I practice the better I will become and I want to talk with other DB
    as well as prepare myself when my hearing loss deteriorates further.<br>
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    I would love to learn  anything else you would care to share Randy
    about PTASL.<br>
    <br>
    Janice<br>
    Second Vice-President<br>
    National Association of the DeafBlind, a Proud Division of the NFB<br>
    We care, We share, We grow, We make a difference<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/28/2018 1:51 PM, Jaye Marie Brown
      via NFB-DB wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1630d620433-c89-17b6b@webjas-vad072.srv.aolmail.net"><font size="2" face="arial" color="black">OK, I take it TASL is
        Tactile ASL.  What is PTASL?  P...? Tactile ASL...?<br>
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        <div style="clear:both">Jaye Marie Brown</div>
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          From: Randy Pope via NFB-DB <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org"><nfb-db@nfbnet.org></a><br>
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          Cc: Randy Pope <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpope1954@gmail.com"><rpope1954@gmail.com></a><br>
          Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2018 8:02 am<br>
          Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL<br>
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                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hey
                    Scott!</span></div>
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                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
                    accept your challenge in teaching the HOH PTASL.  A
                    few things:</span></div>
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                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
                    is not PT and ASL combined.</span></div>
                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
                    is not PT and TASL combined.</span></div>
                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
                    is not Haptic and ASL combined.</span></div>
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                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
                    has its own language structure, apart from ASL.  ASL
                    is a visual language.  PTASL is not but rather
                    depend on touch as the primary senses without using
                    hearing or sight.  TASL is an adaption of ASL but it
                    does not give the DB full access to the language and
                    environmental information needed for true effective
                    communication.  There are some common trait between
                    ASL, TASL and PTASL   What set PTASL apart is PTASL
                    can give us full access to the language,
                    communication and visual information needed through
                    touch or some called tactilely. </span></div>
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                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Want
                    to know more?  Just ask.</span></div>
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                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Randy
                    Pope</span></div>
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                    <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        NFB-DB [<a href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org?" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Davert via NFB-DB<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 24, 2018 7:33 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Scott Davert<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources
                        for Learning ASL</span></div>
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                <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">I'd like to see them try
                  to work with someone who is HOH, but I highly doubt
                  they could unless that individual already knows ASL.
                  As such, I'm not sure this would be an appropriate
                  recommendation for this situation.</div>
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                  <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Just my thought,</div>
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                        On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Lisa Ferris via
                        NFB-DB <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener
                          noreferrer" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" moz-do-not-send="true">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>>
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                        <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Check out Tactile
                          Communications at <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.tactilecommunications.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tactilecommunications.org/</a>.</div>
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                          <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">It is ASL
                            based, but uses other tactile cues for
                            Deafblind people. This organization is run
                            by Deafblind leadership. They know what they
                            are doing.</div>
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                          <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Good luck! </div>
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                          <div class="aolmail_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Lisa Ferris</div>
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                              On Apr 23, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Janice
                              Toothman via NFB-DB <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" moz-do-not-send="true">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>>
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                                Eric,<br>
                                <br>
                                my name is Janice Toothman.  I have
                                Usher's.  It developed later in life.  I
                                am totally blind.  I use tactile sign. 
                                I fingerspell and use Print on Palm at
                                present, mostly because I don't have
                                ready access to the resources you are
                                seeking for your son.  I have not found
                                a local place to in my state to teach me
                                Tactile ASL even though I live  20 miles
                                from Washington, DC ( home of Gallaudett
                                University or Gally as it is
                                affectionately called).  I couldn't
                                afford to pay the 50 dollars an hour for
                                a private tutor of one of their
                                professors.  Although I have a VR
                                counselor, they don't see it as a hight
                                priority for me even though I am
                                profoundly deaf and am contemplating a
                                CI.  <br>
                                <br>
                                I am not sure if your earlier post said
                                what state you live in. The American
                                Association of the DeafBlind might know
                                of individuals willing to teach ASL or
                                Universitys that have Deaf studies. 
                                Again I am only thinking of people and
                                interpreters/SSP (support Service
                                Providers that might be willing to help
                                get you started.<br>
                                <br>
                                These are just my own thoughts as I have
                                struggled personally with this myself.<br>
                                Janice Toothman<br>
                                Second Vice-President<br>
                                National Association of the DeafBlind, A
                                proud Division of the NFB<br>
                                We care, We share, We grow , We make a
                                Difference<br>
                                <br>
                                Learning ASL would would be for you
                                compared to you son.  You son would </div>
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                                  4/23/2018 11:58 AM, Eric V via NFB-DB
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                                      had a nice discussion with
                                      Danielle over the weekend &
                                      while we are going to pursue
                                      looking into the CI’s further, we
                                      also want to be begin learning
                                      ASL. We’ll meet with our
                                      district’s DHH team, but beyond
                                      our sons, my wife & I
                                      obviously want to learn in
                                      parallel. Can you share resources
                                      & ideas on how to pursue
                                      learning ASL & how the process
                                      might be different for us given
                                      our son’s are totally blind,
                                      compared to sighted ASL
                                      communication?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></div>
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