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Randy,<br>
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Who is the best person to teach PTASL to a DB individual?
Particularly, someone like myself, who is totally blind and
profoundly deaf (I can still hear some speech with hearing aids and
an FM system). <br>
<br>
I only know the manual alphabet. I have difficulty practicing my
tactile signing the manual alphabet with other DB or
SSP/interpreters because of where I live. Yet I know that the more
I practice the better I will become and I want to talk with other DB
as well as prepare myself when my hearing loss deteriorates further.<br>
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I would love to learn anything else you would care to share Randy
about PTASL.<br>
<br>
Janice<br>
Second Vice-President<br>
National Association of the DeafBlind, a Proud Division of the NFB<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/28/2018 1:51 PM, Jaye Marie Brown
via NFB-DB wrote:<br>
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size="2" face="arial" color="black">OK, I take it TASL is
Tactile ASL. What is PTASL? P...? Tactile ASL...?<br>
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From: Randy Pope via NFB-DB <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org"><nfb-db@nfbnet.org></a><br>
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Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL<br>
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Scott!</span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
accept your challenge in teaching the HOH PTASL. A
few things:</span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
is not PT and ASL combined.</span></div>
<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
is not PT and TASL combined.</span></div>
<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
is not Haptic and ASL combined.</span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">PTASL
has its own language structure, apart from ASL. ASL
is a visual language. PTASL is not but rather
depend on touch as the primary senses without using
hearing or sight. TASL is an adaption of ASL but it
does not give the DB full access to the language and
environmental information needed for true effective
communication. There are some common trait between
ASL, TASL and PTASL What set PTASL apart is PTASL
can give us full access to the language,
communication and visual information needed through
touch or some called tactilely. </span></div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
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to know more? Just ask.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 24, 2018 7:33 AM<br>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">I'd like to see them try
to work with someone who is HOH, but I highly doubt
they could unless that individual already knows ASL.
As such, I'm not sure this would be an appropriate
recommendation for this situation.</div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Just my thought,</div>
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On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Lisa Ferris via
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">Check out Tactile
Communications at <a target="_blank"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="https://www.tactilecommunications.org/"
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal">It is ASL
based, but uses other tactile cues for
Deafblind people. This organization is run
by Deafblind leadership. They know what they
are doing.</div>
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On Apr 23, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Janice
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Eric,<br>
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my name is Janice Toothman. I have
Usher's. It developed later in life. I
am totally blind. I use tactile sign.
I fingerspell and use Print on Palm at
present, mostly because I don't have
ready access to the resources you are
seeking for your son. I have not found
a local place to in my state to teach me
Tactile ASL even though I live 20 miles
from Washington, DC ( home of Gallaudett
University or Gally as it is
affectionately called). I couldn't
afford to pay the 50 dollars an hour for
a private tutor of one of their
professors. Although I have a VR
counselor, they don't see it as a hight
priority for me even though I am
profoundly deaf and am contemplating a
CI. <br>
<br>
I am not sure if your earlier post said
what state you live in. The American
Association of the DeafBlind might know
of individuals willing to teach ASL or
Universitys that have Deaf studies.
Again I am only thinking of people and
interpreters/SSP (support Service
Providers that might be willing to help
get you started.<br>
<br>
These are just my own thoughts as I have
struggled personally with this myself.<br>
Janice Toothman<br>
Second Vice-President<br>
National Association of the DeafBlind, A
proud Division of the NFB<br>
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Learning ASL would would be for you
compared to you son. You son would </div>
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<div class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
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,serif","serif"">We
had a nice discussion with
Danielle over the weekend &
while we are going to pursue
looking into the CI’s further, we
also want to be begin learning
ASL. We’ll meet with our
district’s DHH team, but beyond
our sons, my wife & I
obviously want to learn in
parallel. Can you share resources
& ideas on how to pursue
learning ASL & how the process
might be different for us given
our son’s are totally blind,
compared to sighted ASL
communication?</span><span
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