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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I wish to know too here in san Antonio, there is no one. My friends live in Austin and I have not seen any db folks downhere! Cheers Heather </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan <br>e-mail:<br>kd5cbl@gmail.com<br>sites:<br>National Federation of The Blind:<br>www.nfb.org<br>An Accessible Online Library:<br>www.bookshare.org</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">Janice Toothman via NFB-DB</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:48 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">Jaye Marie Brown via NFB-DB</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:janice.toothman@verizon.net">Janice Toothman</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Randy,<br><br>Who is the best person to teach PTASL to a DB individual? Particularly, someone like myself, who is totally blind and profoundly deaf (I can still hear some speech with hearing aids and an FM system). <br><br>I only know the manual alphabet. I have difficulty practicing my tactile signing the manual alphabet with other DB or SSP/interpreters because of where I live. Yet I know that the more I practice the better I will become and I want to talk with other DB as well as prepare myself when my hearing loss deteriorates further.<br><br>I would love to learn anything else you would care to share Randy about PTASL.<br><br>Janice<br>Second Vice-President<br>National Association of the DeafBlind, a Proud Division of the NFB<br>We care, We share, We grow, We make a difference<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 4/28/2018 1:51 PM, Jaye Marie Brown via NFB-DB wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>OK, I take it TASL is Tactile ASL. What is PTASL? P...? Tactile ASL...?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Jaye Marie Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Randy Pope via NFB-DB <a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org"><nfb-db@nfbnet.org></a><br>To: 'NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List' <a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org"><nfb-db@nfbnet.org></a><br>Cc: Randy Pope <a href="mailto:rpope1954@gmail.com"><rpope1954@gmail.com></a><br>Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2018 8:02 am<br>Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_1.1.2_62f7c7de-fc50-40e3-b35a-0754e9b2b1de"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hey Scott!</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I accept your challenge in teaching the HOH PTASL. A few things:</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>PTASL is not PT and ASL combined.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>PTASL is not PT and TASL combined.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>PTASL is not Haptic and ASL combined.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>PTASL has its own language structure, apart from ASL. ASL is a visual language. PTASL is not but rather depend on touch as the primary senses without using hearing or sight. TASL is an adaption of ASL but it does not give the DB full access to the language and environmental information needed for true effective communication. There are some common trait between ASL, TASL and PTASL What set PTASL apart is PTASL can give us full access to the language, communication and visual information needed through touch or some called tactilely. </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Want to know more? Just ask.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Randy Pope</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a name="aolmail__MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:aolmail__MailEndCompose'></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> NFB-DB [<a href="mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org?">mailto:nfb-db-bounces@nfbnet.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Davert via NFB-DB<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 24, 2018 7:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List<br><b>Cc:</b> Scott Davert<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NFB-DB] Family Resources for Learning ASL</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I'd like to see them try to work with someone who is HOH, but I highly doubt they could unless that individual already knows ASL. As such, I'm not sure this would be an appropriate recommendation for this situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Just my thought,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="aolmail_AppleMailSignature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br>On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Lisa Ferris via NFB-DB <<a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Check out Tactile Communications at <a href="https://www.tactilecommunications.org/" target="_blank">https://www.tactilecommunications.org/</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>It is ASL based, but uses other tactile cues for Deafblind people. This organization is run by Deafblind leadership. They know what they are doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Good luck! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Lisa Ferris<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="aolmail_AppleMailSignature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br>On Apr 23, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Janice Toothman via NFB-DB <<a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br>Eric,<br><br>my name is Janice Toothman. I have Usher's. It developed later in life. I am totally blind. I use tactile sign. I fingerspell and use Print on Palm at present, mostly because I don't have ready access to the resources you are seeking for your son. I have not found a local place to in my state to teach me Tactile ASL even though I live 20 miles from Washington, DC ( home of Gallaudett University or Gally as it is affectionately called). I couldn't afford to pay the 50 dollars an hour for a private tutor of one of their professors. Although I have a VR counselor, they don't see it as a hight priority for me even though I am profoundly deaf and am contemplating a CI. <br><br>I am not sure if your earlier post said what state you live in. The American Association of the DeafBlind might know of individuals willing to teach ASL or Universitys that have Deaf studies. Again I am only thinking of people and interpreters/SSP (support Service Providers that might be willing to help get you started.<br><br>These are just my own thoughts as I have struggled personally with this myself.<br>Janice Toothman<br>Second Vice-President<br>National Association of the DeafBlind, A proud Division of the NFB<br>We care, We share, We grow , We make a Difference<br><br>Learning ASL would would be for you compared to you son. You son would <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>On 4/23/2018 11:58 AM, Eric V via NFB-DB wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Good morning everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>We had a nice discussion with Danielle over the weekend & while we are going to pursue looking into the CI’s further, we also want to be begin learning ASL. We’ll meet with our district’s DHH team, but beyond our sons, my wife & I obviously want to learn in parallel. Can you share resources & ideas on how to pursue learning ASL & how the process might be different for us given our son’s are totally blind, compared to sighted ASL communication?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>NFB-DB mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:NFB-DB@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">NFB-DB@nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="aolmail_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 style='width:.4791in;height:.302in' id="aolmail__x005f_x0000_i1025" src="cid:part8.560EC095.2DD924D7@verizon.net" alt="Image removed by sender."></span></a><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>NFB-DB mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NFB-DB@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">NFB-DB@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>NFB-DB mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NFB-DB@nfbnet.org" target="_blank">NFB-DB@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>NFB-DB mailing list<br>NFB-<a href="mailto:DB@nfbnet.org">DB@nfbnet.org</a><br><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org" target="_blank">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>NFB-DB mailing list</pre><pre><a href="mailto:NFB-DB@nfbnet.org">NFB-DB@nfbnet.org</a></pre><pre><a href="http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org</a></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>