<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi Rod.<div>The advantage to both 1capapp and Streamtext is that you should be able to read at your own pace. You do not need a cell phone to use it, you can do this with your PC and an internet connection. In theory, I say that because I've not worked with an ElBraille before, this should also be the case with the ElBraille as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Stay safe and stay well,</div><div>Scott</div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 13, 2021, at 16:01, Rod Macdonald via NFB-DB <nfb-db@nfbnet.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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--></style><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Scott. I am still in the dark ages regarding what PC.assible.</p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Stay safe,</p><p class="MsoNormal">Rod</p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">Scott Davert via NFB-DB</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:14 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org">NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:scottdavert@gmail.com">Scott Davert</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#454545">Hi Rod.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#454545">Either of these options will work as long as the Zoom host uses one of these services. If you wish to only follow the meeting, you do not have to bother with Zoom itself, you can just follow along with CART. If you wish to interact with the Zoom meeting, things can be a little tricky, as both of the options require that you load a webpage to use CART. What I've done in the past, yes as a braille only user, is pair 2 devices with my braille display. I then must jump between devices to work with both Zoom and CART. You can switch windows on the same device, but It's much more effective if you can jump from one device to another. Particularly if you are an active participant of the Zoom meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#454545"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#454545">I hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#454545">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Aug 12, 2021, at 14:52, Rod and Ele Macdonald via NFB-DB <nfb-db@nfbnet.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Very interesting discussion. Is there a similar "solution" for the Windows environment? Especiallyfor for a Zoom meeting where neither vision nor hearing can be used and the user must rely exclusively on a braille display? <br><br>Rod<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Scott Davert via NFB-DB <nfb-db@nfbnet.org><br>To: nfb-db@nfbnet.org<br>CC: scottdavert@gmail.com<br>Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:56 am<br>Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Todd and welcome to the list!<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Like Toney, I have had success using the 1capapp with my iPhone. I have also used it with JAWS and Mantis braille display. It also works fine with a Focus. Streamtext is another option that works, but I have issues with it since, especially on an iPhone, the text is treated as one large block. You can follow along and read at your own pace, but if you lose your place, you are not able to navigate by anything other than the 1 large block of text. That requires a lot of panning a lot. My experiences on the Mac mirrior Toney's.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">HTH,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Scott<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 11, 2021, at 11:04, kg 6sxy (kg6sxy) via NFB-DB <nfb-db@nfbnet.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">?Hello Todd,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">For quickly jumping t to the bottom, I've had to use the appropriate shortcut for the OS I'm using; page down on macOS or three finger swipes to scroll the content. I haven't tried turning auto-scroll back on but that might work once the next line comes in.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Take care, <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Tony<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 11, 2021, at 10:56 AM, Todd Schwanke via NFB-DB <nfb-db@nfbnet.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Tony:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your response and sharing your experiences. This is definitely helpful as it provides info on combinations that have been used successfully.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Whether you go back and read some previous captions or you get behind and want to catch up, do you have a quick/reliable way to jump ahead to where the most current captions are being entered without panning through everything in-between?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Todd<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">From: kg6sxy@gmail.com <kg6sxy@gmail.com> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:48 AM<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">To: NFB DeafBlind Division <nfb-db@nfbnet.org><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Cc: Todd Schwanke <todd.schwanke@wisc.edu><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Hello Todd,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I've used 1CappApp with a braille display connected to an iPhone. I also turn off auto-scrolling in the browser window for 1CappApp which allows me to read the entire content at my own speed without the focus changing every time an update comes in. As for navigating, I only had to use pan forward to make my way through the entire content. I've also tried this with my braille display paired with my MacBook Air and turned off the setting to have the VoiceOver cursor follow the mouse pointer.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Take care, <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Tony<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 11, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Todd Schwanke via NFB-DB <nfb-db@nfbnet.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Good morning.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I'm new to this list, but have been on the blindmath list. I've done some reading back through some of the archives, but not all, to review what might have already been discussed on this topic. I noted that there have been some discussions around live captioning, but it seemed to be mostly related to how the captions are generated, rather than how the users interact with them. I'm happy to go back, dig through, and read more of the archives.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I work in the office that works with student accommodations at UW-Madison. We have the remote captioning service providers set up, but I'm trying to figure out the best way for students to receive those captions when they use a Braille display. It seems in most cases the focus and/or cursor jumps around a bit, which can make it difficult to follow along live with a screen reader. So, I'm trying to find out what display options (e.g. Windows desktop app, web-based interface, Android app, or iOS app) might work best/better and/or what settings have to be changed for optimal use so that :<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">the screen reader/Braille display echoes back the new captions that appear without the users needing to keep scrolling<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">the cursor(s) stays synced with the new text entry point<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">and/or the user has to do minimal scrolling to keep pace with where the new text is appearing. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Assumption here is remote/internet based delivery of captions. I think I'm going to intentionally hold off on saying what we have tried so far as I need to circle back to do some retesting of what students reported in different tests before I rule those interface options out. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">From the archives it appears the 1CapApp interface may have been used for the latest NFB convention. How did that work with Braille displays? Were any specific settings or help documents needed to get that set up so that it was easy to follow along without a lot of navigating and scrolling?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Todd Schwanke (he/him)<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">UW-Madison<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">NFB-DB mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">NFB-DB@nfbnet.org<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">NFB-DB mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">NFB-DB@nfbnet.org<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">NFB-DB mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">NFB-DB@nfbnet.org<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><br>_______________________________________________<br>NFB-DB mailing list<br>NFB-DB@nfbnet.org<br>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>
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