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tracy what is pt and how does it work? I think I remember something
like that mentioned at hknc bhut some folks were uncomfortable with
it <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello:
<div> Please remove the hyphen between the words "Deaf" and
"Blind". We no longer use it. We are DeafBlind. A couple of
thoughts on your statements come to mind. First, I am a bit
offended by your statement of "bringing baggage from my former
life" when I became DeafBlind. For me, I was much too young to
remember life before becoming DeafBlind, so how could I have
"baggage"? One does not carry "baggage" into a disability.
Maybe that is your perception, but it is not mine. </div>
<div> PT (ProTactile) is itself now a language of the
DeafBlind. It is a language unique to the DeafBlind. None of
the concepts of PT are "borrowed" from either the ASL or the
English languages. It is a language of tactile communication
providing visual and auditory information to the DeafBlind. </div>
<div> That said, we have not two, not three, but four
languages. TASL (Tactile ASL) must also be counted. </div>
<div> The DeafBlind world is a "melting pot" of culture,
language, and lifestyles unique only to our community. Joe
Naulty once explained it this way: (We love you Joe and your
unique perceptions are so awesome!) "The DeafBlind community
is like a pretzel: there are many parts in the whole pretzel"</div>
<div> The challenge we face is full inclusion and integration
in our communities. We have so many barriers to overcome. We
are, in so many ways, a "forgotten" minority. We face so many
isolations and obstacles. Yet, when we come together we are
joyful. We can "touch" each other in a positive way to
communicate directly with one another in a language that is
ours. </div>
<div> I believe with all my heart that our community is
special. We are unique. We have a lot to give back to society.
We show people, and the world around us, that we, too, can
live the life we want - with joy, love, and peace - together
through touch, through total communication, and through peer
support. </div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Tracie</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 4:03
PM Rod and Ele Macdonald via NFB-DB <<a
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Scott,<br>
<br>
The situation is not likely to improve much until someone who
actually wants "the job" challenges the discriminatory
practice. <br>
<br>
The underlying issue is that blind people regard themselves to
be part of a community, while Deaf people regard themselves to
be part of a culture. There is a big difference. When a blind
person or a Deaf person "becomes" deaf-blind, that person
brings baggage from their "former life" into a new identity. <br>
<br>
I wrote a paper in 1989 entitled, "Deaf-Blindness: An Emerging
Culture?" That paper introduced the "possibility" that a
culture unique to deaf-blind people exists, or at least was in
the process of developing. "Deaf-Blind Culture" was a
controversial topic back then, but it is a cherished belief
among many now. The question is - is there a comprehensive
culture of deaf-blind people? <br>
<br>
I know of no other culture that has TWO languages - and both
English and ASL are not "ours" but are borrowed from hearing
people and Deaf people, and that does not even take PT into
account. We do not even have a unified means of receiving and
expresssing our language, even assuming we came from one sid3e
or the other. Braille can be a "natural" means of accessing
written information, but ASL does not have a written component
and those who grew up relying on visual ASL find it hard to
learn or feel comfortable with braille. <br>
<br>
I think that at some point we - us, not professionals who
serve our group - need to decide: do we embrace the concept of
an umbrella culture we all belong to, a culture with two
languages and many, often competing needs? Or are we to go for
two separate groups based opon language needs? <br>
<br>
I am wholeheartedly in favor of the "umbrella". I think we are
too small a group to divide into sub-groups. I think we share
toomuchtogether to focus on how we are different.<br>
<br>
One can be blind and become deaf, and one can be deaf and
become blind. The new person ... physically there is no
difference, but culturally? The baggage from our "former" life
will dictate our outlook, needs and our approach. I am all for
an identity that embraces who we have become, and not who we
once were.<br>
<br>
Rod <br>
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Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 8:08 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Fwd: Now Hiring - Please Share<br>
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><br>
><br>
> Hi Rod.<br>
> It's very concerning. Unless PA has another form of
service delivery<br>
> for those who are "ASL illiterate?" I find the entire
thing sad and<br>
> agree 100% with your views on this subject. This is a sad
example of<br>
> how far we have not progressed.<br>
> <br>
> Scott<br>
> <br>
> On 3/14/22, Rod and Ele Macdonald via NFB-DB <<a
href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" target="_blank"
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> Scott,<br>
><br>
> You are spot-on in my opinion.<br>
><br>
> The deaf-blind "culture" - I introduced this concept over
30 years ago and<br>
> still believe in it - is the only culture I know of with
TWO languages,<br>
> neither of which is "ours". (We borrow English from
hearing people and ASL<br>
> from Deaf people, then try to adapt as best we can.) I
believe that any<br>
> person who is (1) blind, has low vision, or has tunnel
vision AND (2) is<br>
> deaf or hard-of-hearing, is a deaf-blind person, and any
attempt to provide<br>
> services to this group should take into account the needs
of the entire<br>
> population to be served.<br>
><br>
> I would presumably be a consumer of such services if I
lived in the service<br>
> area, but I neither use ASL nor have usable hearing: What
should the hiring<br>
> authority put in the job description such that my
communication needs are<br>
> "covered"?<br>
><br>
> It is a challenge, but an issue that should be
challenged.<br>
><br>
> Rod<br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: Scott Davert via NFB-DB <<a
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> Date: Monday, March 14, 2022 12:52 pm<br>
> Subject: [NFB-DB] Fwd: Now Hiring - Please Share<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Passing along. I noticed there is no mention of the
requirement forhard of<br>
>> hearing culture and that ASL fluency is required. I
guess they only want a<br>
>> someone who is DEAF STRONG for this. Maybe my
impression is off? I'm<br>
>> passing this along as FYI...<br>
>><br>
>> Scott<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>><br>
>> Begin forwarded message:<br>
>><br>
>> From: Richard <<a
href="mailto:prmcgann@comcast.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">prmcgann@comcast.net</a>><br>
>> Date: March 14, 2022 at 10:47:04 EDT<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:NADBAmericans@groups.io"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">NADBAmericans@groups.io</a>, <a
href="mailto:aadb-l@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">aadb-l@googlegroups.com</a>,
"Professionals<br>
>> Serving DeafBlind Consumers (PSDBC)" <<a
href="mailto:psdbc@googlegroups.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">psdbc@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: [AADB-L] Fwd: Now Hiring - Please Share<br>
>> Reply-To: <a href="mailto:aadb-l@googlegroups.com"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">aadb-l@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>><br>
>> ?<br>
>> to all,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> passing around.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------<br>
>> Subject: Now Hiring - Please Share<br>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 10:39:02 -0400<br>
>> From: SSP Program <<a
href="mailto:ssp@deafstone.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ssp@deafstone.org</a>><br>
>> To: SSP Program <<a
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>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello!<br>
>><br>
>> Please share the following open positions:<br>
>><br>
>> * Director of DeafBlind Services - West PA<br>
>> * Director of DeafBlind Services - East PA<br>
>> * SSP Coordinator - East PA<br>
>><br>
>> Job descriptions attached in Word and PDF documents.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you,<br>
>> Jessica K Adams, CI & CT<br>
>> COO<br>
>> Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:JAdams@DeafStone.org">JAdams@DeafStone.org</a><br>
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