<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hello everyone I am resending this because of some email issues with earlier messages. So please forgive the duplicate posting. But I wanna make sure that this message makes it to the list.<div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">"Maurice A. mines" <minesm@mac.com><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>Re: [NFB-DB] Division meetings policy. Please read below.</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">November 17, 2024 at 19:25:38 GMT<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db@nfbnet.org><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Frank Skogsberg <skogsbergf@gmail.com><br></span></div><br><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hello Frank and everyone else, to clarify things this policy has been reviewed three times by myself, three times by the person who looks at things in terms of whether something is legal for us to do, and three times by president Riccobono. In addition he was at the meeting and was present on the zoom call when we had a discussion and voted on the policy of the board of directors.<div><br></div><div>Miss Butler, I understand your concerns about potential exclusion. But remember the only time somebody would be barred from getting service as if they repeatedly don't show a.k.a. abuse the service. And I'm sure that if the need of rise I would of course consult the board and Federation staff before doing anything like that. The point here is that the issue that would have to be dealt with would have to be extreme.</div><div><br></div><div>As I stated in my last email if you wish a copy of the recording and you have a way of playing a .flac recording, or wish it to be in a different recorded format, such as MP3 or Apple lossless etc. Please let me know. In addition if you wish the transcript which is a word document please let me know if you desire that copy. Please remember my request so as to keep list traffic down to send me your direct email address? This way I know who I'm sending the copy to. And to keep this traffic down. I hope this clarifies things?</div><div><br></div><div>Frank please understand something, because we had someone using stream cast, and interpreters it was their request and proper Best practices, to mute everyone but speaker this ensures that the interpreters, and the person doing the caption can hear what is being said so that they can sign things properly and or caption properly. If you wish to be recognized and cannot raise your hand putting something in the chat I know that our zoom managers do you read the charts. So that is another way you can get our attention. But we have to keep things muted during the meeting because as I mentioned above it just creates too much confusion to do with any other way. I hope this helps clarify things.</div><div><br></div><div>Also Frank and everyone else please understand that the reason why we had to adopt a policy is so that we're all clear under what terms and conditions we offer interpreting, and captioning. The 15 day rule is part of the division's constitution. That's why it's a 15 day timeframe. Also when the call for a public meeting is announced and I post the policy when someone request a accommodation, they need to tell me what kind of accommodation they need? Do they need video ASL, or do they need captioning. They also need to tell me how long if they're not gonna stay for the entire meeting they need this service either one of them. As the policy states why we make every effort to grant the request we may want to situations where that becomes difficult. Long story short we will work it out with the person who is requesting accommodations.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope that this email clarifies things and everyone understands what I'm saying, and our position. We want to sponsor inclusion wherever possible. But as we noted very clearly last night we have a final amount of resources both financial and the times to set things up. I'm sure other members of the board will chime in but those are my thoughts on this Sunday morning here in the Pacific time zone.</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Maurice A. Mines, President <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Email: nfbdbpresident@mmines.org <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Website: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfbdeaf-blind.org> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Live the life you want. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><div>November<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 17, 2024, at 17:54, Frank Skogsberg via NFB-DB <nfb-db@nfbnet.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I have to say I agree with you that is what I was trying to state but could not unmute or get floor. I think this is wrong too maybe not request interpreter but not to be in the meeting. It is for everyone and I did not vote for November 17this this needs to be corrected as I believe thank you. I hope to hear other comments about this too Number two another something should be brought out so people could read it and have questions about it during our meetings. That way it will save some time. Yes, read it to on the meeting, but everybody would have a chance to read it. Study it and write questions to bring up during the meeting. Thank you, Frank . </span><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 17, 2024, at 6:48 AM, Kat Bottner via NFB-DB <<a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" style="color: rgb(150, 96, 125); text-decoration: underline;">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Did you have President Riccobono view this? I'm deeply concerned about the portion that says if people miss too many meetings that they've asked for a combinations for, they will be asked to refrain from attending meetings until their life circumstances change, we in the Federation cannot do this, because all meetings are open to everyone. An and the typo was supposed to be accommodations. if the national president has not seen this policy, I would strongly suggest that he does to get his thoughts.</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 16, 2024, at 11:41 PM, Maurice A. Mines via NFB-DB <<a href="mailto:nfb-db@nfbnet.org" style="color: rgb(150, 96, 125); text-decoration: underline;">nfb-db@nfbnet.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Good evening everyone below is a policy that was adopted by the division board and it's meeting earlier this evening.<div><br></div><div>If there are questions or concerns about this policy please don't hesitate to send me an email?</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: center;">National Federation of the Blind Deafblind Division<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: center;">Reasonable Accommodations Requests Procedure<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><br>The National Federation of the Blind and its divisions strive to grant every accommodation request possible. Please maximize our ability to grant such requests by observing the following policies:<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>Reasonable accommodations requests are to be submitted a minimum of fifteen (15) calendar days before the event for which accommodations are being requested. <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>Requests must specify a need for ASL, CART, or another accommodation. Requests must also detail when, where, and for how long the accommodation is needed.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">3.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>The National Federation of the Blind Deafblind Division makes every effort to grant accommodation requests, including requests made on short notice and requests made while a meeting is actively taking place. With that in mind, please provide as much notice as possible so the division has the opportunity to hire interpreters and captioners as needed.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">4.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>Individuals who request accommodations within two weeks of a scheduled meeting will be emailed a copy of this document for their review.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">5.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>Interpreters and captioners are paid commensurate with the amount of time they worked. If an interpreter or captioner is hired, but no one who requested use of that interpreter or captioner has arrived within fifteen (15) minutes of the start of the meeting, the interpreter or captioner will be relieved of their duties and that service will not be provided.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">6.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>Individuals who repeatedly request and receive interpretation or captioning services, but fail to attend the relevant meetings will be asked not to plan to attend the meetings until their life circumstances are such that they can use the services as intended.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">7.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>Members subject to the above paragraph may contact the division president to request reinstatement of their accommodations.<o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt 0.5in; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in;">8.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"> </span>This policy will be posted to the division website, the division list-serve, and available upon request. Please direct any questions to <a href="mailto:nfbdbpresident@mmines.org" style="color: rgb(150, 96, 125); text-decoration: underline;">nfbdbpresident@mmines.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><o:p> Just be aware that I'm going to Post this policy whenever we start planning for another public meeting. Yes of course will also be posted to the division webpage. And as for the instructions will be emailed to anyone that does request Accommodations.</o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><o:p><br></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 18.4px; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><o:p><br></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Maurice A. Mines, President <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nfbdbpresident@mmines.org" style="color: rgb(150, 96, 125); text-decoration: underline;">nfbdbpresident@mmines.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Website:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.nfb.org/" style="color: rgb(150, 96, 125); text-decoration: underline;">www.nfb.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://www.nfbdeaf-blind.org/" style="color: rgb(150, 96, 125); text-decoration: underline;">http://www.nfbdeaf-blind.org</a>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Live the life you want. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 8pt; line-height: 15.693334px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. 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