[Nfb-krafters-korner] Nfb-krafters-korner Digest, Vol 33, Issue 17

Cheryl Osborn chapalacheryl at gmail.com
Sat Apr 17 18:06:17 UTC 2010


My frustrations are mostly with seaming.  Where it is possible, I use
the 3-needle bindoff, mostly for shoulders and modular knitting
technique for whatever else I can.

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>    1. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a blind	crafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of choice? (Laura White)
>    2. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a	blind	crafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of choice? (Cindy Sheets)
>    3. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as	a	blindcrafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of	choice? (eileen scrivani)
>    4. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a	blindcrafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of choice? (Laura White)
>    5. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as ablindcrafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of choice? (eileen scrivani)
>    6. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a blind crafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of choice? (Henrietta Brewer)
>    7. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as	ablindcrafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of choice? (Laura White)
>    8. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a blindcrafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft of choice? (Cindy Sheets)
>    9. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things	as	ablindcrafter do you
>       find difficult in working your craft	of	choice? (Annette Carr)
>   10. Re: FRIDAYS QUESTION: What	things	asablindcrafter do you find
>       difficult in working your	craft	of	choice? (Annette Carr)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:28:13 -0400
> From: Laura White <lewhite86 at gmail.com>
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a
> 	blind	crafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
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> I wish I could learn to spin, but as for things I wish I could do
> better I have none.  I'll just keep growing.
>
> On 4/16/10, Diane <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> For me, I wish I could crochet better and I wish I could see the glaze
>> colors better.
>> Di
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:35:56 -0400
> From: Cindy Sheets <slerythema at insightbb.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a
> 	blind	crafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
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> I have learned to tink my knitting (un-knit) but sometimes I have problems
> dropping stitches on very fine work. Also, I have learned to pick-up drop
> stitches but I find that I have to be extremely careful so that I pull the
> correct bar back through.
>
> Cindy S.
> PS Thanks, Diane for taking on the role of keeping the Friday Question
> going. You have had some really good questions.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diane <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com>
> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:13 am
> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a
> blind	crafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
> To: List for blind crafters and artists <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
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>> For me, I wish I could crochet better and I wish I could see the
>> glaze colors better.
>> Di
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:35:28 -0400
> From: "eileen scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
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> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as	a
> 	blindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of	choice?
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> If I have knitted pieces that need to be seamed together, I find doing
> mattress stitch not the easiest thing.  I have taken a class on how to do
> mattress stitch, but wonder if the explanation was made more difficult than
> it needed to be.  I'd like to see a blind knitter from this group offer a
> class on sewing together side seams, and sewing top seams like what gets
> done at shoulder seams, but not a three needle bind off,  in order to see if
> I can make better sense out of the mattress stitch technique.
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:03:12 -0400
> From: Laura White <lewhite86 at gmail.com>
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a
> 	blindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
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> Eileen I would be willing to teach that class.
> Have you thought of using a crochet hook to slip stitch the pieces
> together.  Its what I do.
>
> Laura
>
> On 4/16/10, eileen scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>> If I have knitted pieces that need to be seamed together, I find doing
>> mattress stitch not the easiest thing.  I have taken a class on how to do
>> mattress stitch, but wonder if the explanation was made more difficult
>> than
>> it needed to be.  I'd like to see a blind knitter from this group offer a
>> class on sewing together side seams, and sewing top seams like what gets
>> done at shoulder seams, but not a three needle bind off,  in order to see
>> if
>> I can make better sense out of the mattress stitch technique.
>>
>> Eileen
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:48:40 -0400
> From: "eileen scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as
> 	ablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
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> Hi Laura:
>
> Well, if you decide to do a class on mattress stitch & Joyce is good-to-go
> with it, you have at least one student so far.  Actually, I forgot about
> using a crochet hook and slip stitching seams together.  The neurotic,
> perfectionist side of me hears other knitters saying how there's nothing
> like mattress stitch though to seam pieces together.  If I remember, the
> slip stitch works, but the seam is a bit bulker than mattress.
>
> I think if I got a good explanation & had a better understanding of what
> strands I should be going under I'd catch on ... I say that now!
>
> Actually, I have a yoke style sweater I made last winter (bottom up and
> joined sleeves & body at under arms) and I just tried mattress seaming the
> little holes at the under arm.  I did one side and left the other one since
> I'm a doubting Thomas.  Never sure of what I'm doing.  I thought this would
> be good to start with because the seams will be in my armpits and if someone
> comments on sloppy work there they are looking way to closely.
>
> Hope this will be a class in the very near future since I could always use
> it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eileen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laura White" <lewhite86 at gmail.com>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as
> ablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
>
>
>> Eileen I would be willing to teach that class.
>> Have you thought of using a crochet hook to slip stitch the pieces
>> together.  Its what I do.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> On 4/16/10, eileen scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> If I have knitted pieces that need to be seamed together, I find doing
>>> mattress stitch not the easiest thing.  I have taken a class on how to do
>>> mattress stitch, but wonder if the explanation was made more difficult
>>> than
>>> it needed to be.  I'd like to see a blind knitter from this group offer a
>>> class on sewing together side seams, and sewing top seams like what gets
>>> done at shoulder seams, but not a three needle bind off,  in order to see
>>>
>>> if
>>> I can make better sense out of the mattress stitch technique.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:22:14 -0400
> From: Henrietta Brewer <gary.brewer at comcast.net>
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a
> 	blind crafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
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> I think one of the hardest things for me right now is to put the
> color combinations I see in my head into my projects.
>    HenriettaAt 09:12 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote:
>>For me, I wish I could crochet better and I wish I could see the
>>glaze colors better.
>>Di
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:00:41 -0400
> From: Laura White <lewhite86 at gmail.com>
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as
> 	ablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
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> I will email Joyce and ask her.
>
> laura
>
> On 4/16/10, eileen scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Laura:
>>
>> Well, if you decide to do a class on mattress stitch & Joyce is good-to-go
>> with it, you have at least one student so far.  Actually, I forgot about
>> using a crochet hook and slip stitching seams together.  The neurotic,
>> perfectionist side of me hears other knitters saying how there's nothing
>> like mattress stitch though to seam pieces together.  If I remember, the
>> slip stitch works, but the seam is a bit bulker than mattress.
>>
>> I think if I got a good explanation & had a better understanding of what
>> strands I should be going under I'd catch on ... I say that now!
>>
>> Actually, I have a yoke style sweater I made last winter (bottom up and
>> joined sleeves & body at under arms) and I just tried mattress seaming the
>> little holes at the under arm.  I did one side and left the other one
>> since
>> I'm a doubting Thomas.  Never sure of what I'm doing.  I thought this
>> would
>> be good to start with because the seams will be in my armpits and if
>> someone
>> comments on sloppy work there they are looking way to closely.
>>
>> Hope this will be a class in the very near future since I could always use
>> it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Eileen
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Laura White" <lewhite86 at gmail.com>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as
>> ablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
>>
>>
>>> Eileen I would be willing to teach that class.
>>> Have you thought of using a crochet hook to slip stitch the pieces
>>> together.  Its what I do.
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> On 4/16/10, eileen scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> If I have knitted pieces that need to be seamed together, I find doing
>>>> mattress stitch not the easiest thing.  I have taken a class on how to
>>>> do
>>>> mattress stitch, but wonder if the explanation was made more difficult
>>>> than
>>>> it needed to be.  I'd like to see a blind knitter from this group offer
>>>> a
>>>> class on sewing together side seams, and sewing top seams like what gets
>>>> done at shoulder seams, but not a three needle bind off,  in order to
>>>> see
>>>>
>>>> if
>>>> I can make better sense out of the mattress stitch technique.
>>>>
>>>> Eileen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:46:38 -0400
> From: Cindy Sheets <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a
> 	blindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
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> Laura,
>
> You can use the form for instructors on the website to propose a class that
> you would like to teach.
>
> Cindy S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laura White <lewhite86 at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as a
> blindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
> To: List for blind crafters and artists <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>
>> Eileen I would be willing to teach that class.
>> Have you thought of using a crochet hook to slip stitch the pieces
>> together.? Its what I do.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> On 4/16/10, eileen scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>> > If I have knitted pieces that need to be seamed together, I
>> find doing
>> > mattress stitch not the easiest thing.? I have taken a
>> class on how to do
>> > mattress stitch, but wonder if the explanation was made more
>> difficult than
>> > it needed to be.? I'd like to see a blind knitter from
>> this group offer a
>> > class on sewing together side seams, and sewing top seams like
>> what gets
>> > done at shoulder seams, but not a three needle bind off,?
>> in order to see if
>> > I can make better sense out of the mattress stitch technique.
>> >
>> > Eileen
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:57:30 -0400
> From: "Annette Carr" <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things	as
> 	ablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft	of	choice?
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> Any help on dealing with seams would be great, as this is what I hate about
> finishing up projects.  Well, maybe I hate weaving in tails more.
>
> Annette
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of eileen scrivani
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:35 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as
> ablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
>
> If I have knitted pieces that need to be seamed together, I find doing
> mattress stitch not the easiest thing.  I have taken a class on how to do
> mattress stitch, but wonder if the explanation was made more difficult than
> it needed to be.  I'd like to see a blind knitter from this group offer a
> class on sewing together side seams, and sewing top seams like what gets
> done at shoulder seams, but not a three needle bind off,  in order to see if
> I can make better sense out of the mattress stitch technique.
>
> Eileen
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:42:36 -0400
> From: "Annette Carr" <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> 	<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What	things
> 	asablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your	craft	of	choice?
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> I get frustrated with not being able to find well written descriptions of
> how the finished project will look when I am done.  Sometimes I can figure
> out how something will look when it is finished by reading over the pattern
> and picturing it in my head.  But, sometimes that just is not possible.
>
> Annette
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Annette Carr
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:58 AM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things
> asablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
>
> Any help on dealing with seams would be great, as this is what I hate about
> finishing up projects.  Well, maybe I hate weaving in tails more.
>
> Annette
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of eileen scrivani
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:35 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] FRIDAYS QUESTION: What things as
> ablindcrafter do you find difficult in working your craft of choice?
>
> If I have knitted pieces that need to be seamed together, I find doing
> mattress stitch not the easiest thing.  I have taken a class on how to do
> mattress stitch, but wonder if the explanation was made more difficult than
> it needed to be.  I'd like to see a blind knitter from this group offer a
> class on sewing together side seams, and sewing top seams like what gets
> done at shoulder seams, but not a three needle bind off,  in order to see if
> I can make better sense out of the mattress stitch technique.
>
> Eileen
>
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