[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
Eileen Scrivani
etscrivani at verizon.net
Thu Jun 24 23:26:06 UTC 2010
Laura:
Dimo tape in most cases. For other things Brailling an index card of small
or large size and then scotch taping it onto a surface. for important mail,
I Braille the outside of the mailing envelope with enough information that
will allow me to find it when I need it and then just scan with Kurzweil the
contents for the details. I try to keep this paperwork filed in plastic
office boxes, grouped by household or bank, etc. The more organized the
better.
Eileen
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From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:35 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> Hi all -- well I'm over 50 and I believe my braille speed is inching up,
> mainly because I have been using it every week to teach my class. I used
> to
> read it too slowly to follow my own outline notes, but now I can read
> ahead
> as I speak and usually speak straight through without silent gaps. (The
> kids
> are polite when I do take a few seconds, but I prefer not to do that.)
> So using it is the key.
> You know, the thing that really makes it hard for me to use braille is the
> awkwardness of creating braille labels for things.
> It's really a pain.
> How do others generally handling the labeling process?
> --le
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MS S TILLETT" <suetillett at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
> I've been a Braille mentor for years. The oldest person I ever taught was
> 78 when she started and she really did learn everything. I worked with a
> friend who was in this thirties but he never really got very good. He
> didn't work on it at home and you can't learn it sitting in my kitchen for
> an hour once a week. He is also loosing his hearing, and if he looses it
> completely, no technology is going to do it. Finally we decided he should
> just consintrate on learning the alphabet so that he can at least label
> things and write notes to himself, but he doesn't really use it. I helped
> him label his CDs and I guess he does read those. I think it is just very
> individual. I would think that learning just enough to write things down
> would be helpful. I have been a Braillle reader all my life, and I'm not
> a
> speed-queen, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.
>
> I think it is very sad that young people don't think it is necessary
> because
> of their dependence on technology. Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: River Woman
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
> You have hit it on the head - I see it as being soooooo slow, and that I
> would take forever and never be very good at it. I do not enjoy it at all
> and at this point in my life I feel like there is no reason I need to do
> it.
> I think to be proficient, meaning that I could stand and give a lecture
> using braille, would take many years to achieve. I can't imagine someone
> my
> age really becoming proficient at it. I can "read" books and knit at the
> same time now, and I like that a lot. I think that if I want to learn
> something, it would be to concentrate on a foreign language that I really
> want to learn, just for my own satisfaction. Lynda
> Lynda Lambert
> River Road Studio, Since 1976
> www.lyndalambert.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marianne Denning" <mdenning at cinci.rr.com>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
> > Lynda, I was a rehabilitation teacher before I became a TVI. Many
> older
> > adults do not learn braille. This is for several reasons. It is
> harder
> > to learn new skills as we get older and our fingers lose some of their
> > sensativity through the years. If you were determined to learn braille
> I
> > would tell you to go for it but if you want to focus on other areas
> more
> I
> > think that is a good idea too. If you are really interested in
> learning
> > braille there may be a rehabilitation teacher in your area who can help
> > you learn it.
> >
> > I have been a braille reader too and could not live without it but I
> > understand your feelings too.
> > Marianne Denning
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> >
> >
> >>I am laughing - probably so.
> >>
> >> Lynda Lambert
> >> River Road Studio, Since 1976
> >> www.lyndalambert.com
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Zimmer, Cindy" <cindy.zimmer at nebraska.gov>
> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:52 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'm thinking Sahar is gonna have some words of wisdom for you again.
> >>> *grin
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Zimmer
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
> Woman
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:00 PM
> >>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> >>>
> >>> Since I was sighted until I was 64 years old, Braille is really not
> so
> >>> appealing to me. I am sure if I learned it as a child, that would be
> >>> very
> >>> different. Right now, I want to do things in theleast amount of time
> >>> possible, and I can see that really learning Braille would take so
> much
> >>> time, and at my age, it is just so much more efficient to use
> technology
> >>> for
> >>> everything. I am almost 67 now, so have had to learn so much in a
> short
> >>> time, I just decided not to do this. Lynda
> >>> Lynda Lambert
> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> >>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
> >>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:33 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Did you ever think of a note taker. Then you would have voice and
> >>>> refreshable braille. The braille is more distinct than regular
> >>>> braille.
> >>>> If you were in dought of a symbol, you could check it with the
> speech.
> >>>> I
> >>>> have been reading braille since second grade and do not know where I
> >>>> would
> >>>> be with out it. I love braille.
> >>>> I have my helmit pattern on the computer and one embossed copy at
> home.
> >>>> If the braille copy gets lost or damaged, I can emboss another copy
> to
> >>>> follow.
> >>>> It is only recently, I am learning to emboss, and I love it!
> >>>>
> >>>> Terry P.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: slery [mailto:slerythema at insightbb.com]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:09 PM
> >>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> >>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, Lynda. Braille works amazingly well with electronics. As a very
> >>>> visual
> >>>> learner, I find it so much easier to "read" something in braille
> that
> I
> >>>> need to know specifics on than it is to listen to it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I currently braille out my patterns for knitting. I cut apart each
> of
> >>>> the
> >>>> lines and keep them on a ring that I can flip through. A paper clip
> >>>> marks
> >>>> which line I am on in case I drop them or they flip around in my
> bag.
> >>>> Personally, I would go crazy if I had to knit listening to an audio
> >>>> version of the pattern.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy S.
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
> >>>>> Woman
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:26 PM
> >>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eileen,
> >>>>> Mostly, it is when I have dropped a stitch that I get messed up and
> >>>>> have not been able to recover it. Then, I take it to the gym where
> my
> >>>>> friend fixes it for me. I do want to be able to do this again by
> >>>>> myself. I gave up on Braille as I just do not see it as something
> that
> >>>>> I need to do. I learned the alpahabet and then took course 1
> through
> >>>>> Hadley, and then into course 2 decided it was a waste of my time
> since
> >>>>> I do everything with electronics. Lynda Lynda Lambert River Road
> >>>>> Studio, Since
> >>>>> 1976 www.lyndalambert.com
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> >>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:56 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >I had partial sight for a very long time, but I was never
> >>>>> able to see
> >>>>> >well enough to see knitting when I learned it -- so I guess
> >>>>> I got used to using
> >>>>> > touch to know what I was doing. If you practice, it isn't
> >>>>> hard to feel
> >>>>> > what is going on. I consider myself very visual as I visualize
> the
> >>>>> > stitches in my mind, but I identify them by touch.
> >>>>> > I'm sure you can do it it (I'm a lousy braille reader, and
> >>>>> I have a hard
> >>>>> > time identify tactile graphics and pictures, but with
> >>>>> knitting, I know
> >>>>> > what
> >>>>> > it is supposed to look like, and so it isn't hard to find
> >>>>> where I am and
> >>>>> > what needs to be done.)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Happy krafting.
> >>>>> > --le
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
> >>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:39 PM
> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Hi Eileen,
> >>>>> > I have been an avid knitter for many years, since about 8
> >>>>> years old.
> >>>>> > But since my sight loss, I have not ventured into the hard
> >>>>> stuff, as I
> >>>>> > do not know how to FIX a mistake and have to take it to a
> >>>>> friend for
> >>>>> > help. Before , I used to be able to fix most anyting, but
> >>>>> not now. So,
> >>>>> > I need to begin to be more adventurous and this will get me
> going.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I live in a rural area, no local yarn shops - closest one
> >>>>> is 30 miles
> >>>>> > away.
> >>>>> > I will probably order one on line.
> >>>>> > Do you have a date for the class - so I can put it on my
> >>>>> calendar. And, if
> >>>>> > I
> >>>>> > need to do anything before the class to be prepared, please
> >>>>> let me know.
> >>>>> > When will we sign up for the class, do you know?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Lynda
> >>>>> > Lynda Lambert
> >>>>> > River Road Studio, Since 1976
> >>>>> > www.lyndalambert.com
> >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> >>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:11 PM
> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> Lynda:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> You can sometimes get the size 000 needles at local yarn
> >>>>> shops, but
> >>>>> >> they might have to special order them for you. They are
> >>>>> used mostly
> >>>>> >> for lace knitting and with very fine yarn so I suppose
> >>>>> this frightens
> >>>>> >> a lot of people away from them. I suppose to that since they
> >>>>> >> probably aren't huge sellers yarn shops don't normaly
> >>>>> stock them. If
> >>>>> >> your local yarn shop can't get them then go through
> >>>>> Pattern Works.
> >>>>> >> We will not actually be knitting with them, but I find
> >>>>> them to be a
> >>>>> >> useful tool in a number of ways.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Eileen
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> >> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
> >>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 AM
> >>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >>>>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>> Size 000, OH My Word! That is downright frightening. I am up
> for
> >>>>> >>> it...haha. Will get the needls and thatns for the heads up in
> >>>>> >>> advance. Lynda
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Lynda Lambert
> >>>>> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
> >>>>> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
> >>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> >>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> >>>>> >>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM
> >>>>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>>I know I am jumping the gun here, but Eileen is giving a class
> in
> >>>>> >>>>September on how to do a life line. Patternworks does have
> the
> >>>>> >>>>needle she is suggesting and I thought if anyone was
> >>>>> poking around
> >>>>> >>>>a yarn shop this summer and
> >>>>> >>>> wanted to check picking one of these up I would give you
> >>>>> the info:
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> Abbey 40 inch circular needle size 000 price is: $18
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> Joyce Kane
> >>>>> >>>> www.KraftersKorner.org (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
> >>>>> >>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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